/swg/ - High As Fuck Edition

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>wearing an astromech unit.
That doesn't seem practical at all.

He should have acquired a small speeder to help lug all that weight along.

>There's always tabletop simulator with the X-wing mod.
I can't vouch for this enough. TTS is a great tool and is perfect for practicing the game solo as well as just playing the game.

Is there any attempt to port WEG adventures to FFG?
Any good homebrew modules for the latter?

No pays attention to the droids. Perfect disguise to do some spying. Who would notice the 7ft tall astromech ?

>beep boop, pay me no mind, bop

>stands right behind the emperor in every scene.

>Another empire being cruel and evil for the sake of being cruel and evil picture
When will this meme end?

That's your narrative, man. For all we know, he might just suffer from stomach ache aftereating too much sausage, and the stormtroopers are enquiring about his health.

when it stops being accurate
>the Evil Empire is evil?
when will THIS meme end?

>the EVIL Empire
I want this meme to end

but the opening crawl of ANH, literally the first thing we ever see in Star Wars is that they're the evil empire. If anything in Star Wars is true it must be this.

I'm okay with Star Wars having an evil empire, but I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive.

Also
I want the meme of every Empire in fiction defaulting to evil to die

>I'm okay with Star Wars having an evil empire, but I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive.
This is true. The Empire is evil, the guys in it aren't necessarily so.

Well the third empire in Traveller is pretty much neutral. They just want to trade and you really should not fuck with their trade.

>every Empire
Romance of the Three Kingdoms paints the Han dynasty in a pretty sympathetic light. They're obviously ineffective and incompetent, but never truly portrayed as outright villainous. Cao Cao still did nothing wrong. Except for the Battle of Chibi.

Cao Cao's invasion of Xu province was unnecessarily bloody and brutal.

Start shit, get hit, Tao Qian.

Before Hux gets all worked up, how about some list talk.

Store Champs are going on, so now's the time to try things out.

TIE/SF Fighter: •"Quickdraw" (37)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)
Draw Their Fire (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Targeting Synchronizer (3)

TIE Defender: •Rexler Brath (38)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
TIE/x7 (-2)
Juke (2)

TIE Striker: •"Pure Sabacc" (25)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Adaptive Ailerons (0)
Veteran Instincts (1)

Total: 100/100

And for Imperial Assault I want to try my hand at new stuff and getting Hunters into Empire. It's boring, but 2x eJets, 2x eQuays, BT-1, rOfficer, RBF, Zillo, Scavenged Weaponry

What are you folks bringing to Store Champs?

>What are you folks bringing to Store Champs?
none of my local stores are hosting and I don't want to drive 1/2 way across state in either direction for store championship. Guess I'm waiting for regionals.

That blows, m8

What would y'all say is the Z-95 of capital ships?

Probably the CR90. Reasonably priced, versatile, easily modified, and extremely common. Both ships were also introduced during the later end of the Galactic Republic era, so they're both MILF-tier shipfus by the Rebellion era.

>Cao Cao
He'd actually make for a decent Sith lord NPC, cunning, unscrupulous and a bit of an all round murderous cunt. Or at least that's how he's depicted a lot of the time, maybe a bit of 'King Richard-ism' where popular media doesn't really give us much in the way of actual facts.
Though just for funsies I'd mix in some Space-Commie style statesmanship where he's got people thinking their suffering is for the glory of their respective empire... because fuck it, cliche's are fun in star wars.

CR-90 overall
Dreadnaughts are probably the most common capital ship over corvette size and are ubiquitous in planetary militias across the galaxy, so that's sort of a second option

>I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive
That's ridiculous hyperbole, though. Even good people can be part of an evil empire; often enough they are. But the Imperial Navy and Army seem to recruit officers who fall pretty strictly into that mien. If they're not mustache-twirling villains, they're either duty-oriented or senior leadership (who are competent above all).

Keep in mind most societies are both lawful and self-centered. The laws exist to provide a framework for citizens to operate within and the society generally puts its own interests ahead of others.

What changes that tends to make us think of them as evil is somebody steps over a line of moral behavior and instead of being punished is encouraged. We see this pretty frequently throughout the OT, in fact; the only punishment is for failure. Methods are excused for success.

This is part of why Lucas says The Empire Strikes Back is the worst Star Wars movie. The villains succeed in their goals through necessary means -- not moral means -- and nobody is punished for it, directly or karmically.

tl;dr don't take things too far and you won't get lost.

The Empire was not cruel and evil for the sake of being cruel and evil, the empire was cruel and evil to feed the Dark Side and thus the Emperor's power.

Which is why they do it in real life too, BTW.

>Lucas says The Empire Strikes Back is the worst Star Wars movie
Lucas is wrong? AGAIN? who could have forseen this?

I'd argue that Isard, Hethrir, and C'baoth were motivated less by feeding the Dark Side and more because they were complete cunts to the core. And in C'baoth's case, because he was batshit crazy.

But what made them complete cunts to the core? The Empire is suffused with the Dark Side, and not just the physical infrastructure but also the ties of culture and authority which bind it together. To serve the Empire is to serve the Dark Side and be constantly called and conditioned to be a callous, destructive monster. The hate, pain, misery and death feed the darkness until it's almost tangible, forcing the weak-willed to their knees. And at the center of that web of power sits Palpatine like the spider he is.

Again, this happens in the real life. We call it corporate culture,national spirit, fundamentalism, ideology, or whatever. Star Wars simply adds magical makeover to a phenomenon everyone is familiar with.

Every IRL empire actually was evil though, at least from a certain perspective. Centralized authority over large and diverse regions, historically, leads to atrocity. Empires are built on warfare or other kinds of domination, even if it sometimes brings stability and comfort to a certain social class or ethnic group. This is true whether they be monarchist, republican, capitalist, or communist. The world is a diverse place, and different situations call for different responses, which a centralized authority can't handle easily while maintaining the facade of legitimacy based on consistency and 'fairness'.

New video's out. It's a real short one.
youtube.com/watch?v=H_HbrvF5kK4

Great art. I've not seen most of these. Got any more?

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>Are you sure, Plo ? That sounds like a terrible idea.
>Come on ! What could go wrong ? I get on the wing and deflect fighters shots. Another jedi one the other wing and bam Invincible starfighter. Now quit being such a pussy and get your ass up here.

"Empire" by definition means military, undemocratic domination of many nations by a single power.

Yes, empire is evil by definition. Thats what it means.

>empire is evil by definition
even John Locke would disagree with this

He was wrong about a lot of things.

I heard Plos voice from Clone Wars in my head...
community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/177664-weg-modules-for-aor/

Any hope for this?

Well the Empire is pretty much every evil thing humanity has done rolled into one entity. I'd say Star Wars influenced other creators to roll with an Empire being evil for consistency.

Because a single word in the opening crawl of A New Hope apparently overrides decades of fiction and work by others because people are either too sensitive or too lazy to accept a non-objective-moral setting. tl;dr? They have shit taste.

>Because a single word in the opening crawl
Then the movie goes on to prove that

None of the Imperials in Empire Strikes Back are evil though, and that's what makes the argument of ANH's crawl when it comes to the Empire being evil or good so baffling.

Why are they evil in the films? Besides MUH SIX MILLIONS Alderaan, the Empire never again does even the slightest, most remotely evil thing, and does nothing that any sane person could even call evil.

I could say I drive an 85 grand sports car and have a 19 inch dick, but if I can't prove it, if I can't show it, if nothing backs it up, then I'm wrong. It doesn't make it so.

Saying the Empire is this totally evil organization and never showing it being evil or doing anything evil means that by the most basic of logical reasoning, they're not evil.

Athenian Empire? Carolingian Empire? If those are evil I don't know which regime isn't.

Heck, even the Pax Romana was a huge improvement compared to most of the regimes it replaced, and it was as decentralized as you can get.

Morality is not usually objective, user. Democracy is not objectively good. Military control is not objectively evil. Dominance is not objectively evil. Empires are not objectively evil, unless you're chugging some marxist koolaid.

Morality is whatever the force wills.

Goddammit. Last thread was completely devoid of pro-Empire/anti-Empire shitposting. It was great. Can we go back to that?

>if I can't prove it, then I'm wrong
In that case, you might want to show and/or provide evidence to support your assertion that the Empire did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG (minus Alderaan because "lol Leia was askin for it"). Particularly considering the Empire spends the first half of the movie interrogating prisoners to death, slaughtering innocent witnesses, tearing up the representative branch of the government, and gloating amongst themselves that nobody can stop them from doing so.
But that would undercut your shitposting, so who am I to judge your methods

ESB isn't meant to convey that point anymore, since you're working off ANH. But it still keeps with the vibe with imagery and character actions. Also evil is a loaded term, but that doesn't mean you're actually a good government anyway. I'd say Vader wasting resources going after his son and not the rest of the Rebellion is an example of that. That's guillotine worthy.

>Players interested in doing a Fel Empire + Galactic Alliance vs. First Order campaign
Obviously the FE and FO would both use old Galactic Empire tech and doctrine as a foundation, but there's definitely divergent evolution at work. How might FE tech and strategy differ from the FO? Obviously, the FE has a very different navy than the FO, but what other interesting differences could be highlighted to keep things from being a mirror match? And has nucanon shown us any new post-TFA stuff in the FO arsenal that might be able to match the likes of Pellaeon and the 181st?

You know what you need to do. Only one thing drives them away.

Pro-Republic Anti-Republic when?

I want a subthread for containment of these discussions.

A place for all the pro-/anti- facitonfags to have at it. Empirefag General, Rebelfag General, Republifag General, Confederfag General, Greyfag General, Lightfag, Darkfag, etc etc etc.

YOU CANNOT CONTAIN US! A MORE PURER AND STRONGER EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN!!

THE FIRSST ORDA!!!!

You know, I always wondered why Palpatine was so eager to ditch Vader and have him killed to bring Luke to his side, after he'd spent so long building up Vader as his best man and giving him so much power.

Maybe it wasn't just because of the Rule of Two, but because Palpatine wanted to punish Vader for killing off officers and wasting so many resources. I think the EU even makes a point that after all the complaints he got from many folks in the military and government that even Palpatine himself was getting angry at Vader.

Maybe Vader would've died even if he hadn't saved Luke.

>66
Well, shit, son.

>Athenian Empire

You should probably read some Melian Dialogue sometime.

>Roman empire

Probably the most brutally slave dependent empire in human history. Yes, evil.

>muh relativism

Okay, nothing is evil and genocide and slavery are just a matter of perspective. And from a certain perspective the REAL evil is opposing those things.

The Empire outlawed slavery in all but the Outer Rim several years before the Battle of Yavin, and allowing it in the Outer Rim was only to keep the Hutts from throwing a tantrum.

The Wookiees were under a penal work-release program constructed to keep potentially hostile races from going to war on them, which the Wookiees, being very pro-Jedi, sought to do. Not every Wookiee was forced to work either, but leaving Kashyyk was outlawed and Wookiees convicted of crimes could be put into penal labor programs.

The penal labor program itself received sweeping regulations around the same time, making the list of crimes that allow for penal labor much smaller and more well-defined, as well as putting reasonable potential limits on length of labor service.

Neither the Republic nor the Jedi opposed slavery or tried to combat it with any measure of effectiveness.

The Empire did.

Oh, alright. Because they used slaves then that means all those amazing advancements in technology, culture, and civilization they brought are worth nothing, because sometimes slaves were used.

Slaves that were taken from primitive wildernesses and given a civilized life, legal protection, and later opportunities to become citizens, no less.

This isn't true at all. All the books I've read pretty much state that the Empire uses slavery in many different forms.

Slavery was outlawed by the Old Republic in both nucanon and Legends. Tatooine was outside of Republic jurisdiction, judging by Watto's refusal to accept OR credits. As for the PT OJO, they had neither the political clout nor the manpower to combat Outer Rim slavery in any meaningful fashion.

They do:
They kill Owen and Beru and the Jawas (that are bandits, but still).
The problem is, we don't see any of this. We have to rely on Ben "from a certain PoV" or Leia on this; and knowing their relationship with the Empire, they might be slightly biased.

But Star Wars isn't famous for its civilian crowds (Cantina aside, but that would point the Empire as a positive force); I can't say we've seen the Empire being not evil with the population either.

The Empire being Evil causes a lot of issues, though. You have a massive government that was the Republic a few years ago.
If you admit the Empire being irremediably Evil, then it means the Republic (or at least the poeple inside) were also evil, if only by their implicit consent. That's bleak.

Some books also say X-Wings can take on Star Destroyers.

Don't believe everything you read.

If I can remember the exact code of the legislation I'll link it, because unfortunately Wookieepedia doesn't have it under a nice, easy name.

Don't argue with this motherfucker, it'll just prolong the shitstorm

>getting so personally angry over fictional slavery and imperialism

Antifa Strikes Back.

Like 70% of the entire point of the prequels was that the old republic was shitty and corrupt and decaying
The empire pretended to fix those problems but actually made them worse

>Some books also say X-Wings can take on Star Destroyers.
They can.

>Don't believe everything you read.
Everything I've been reading is saying this. Rebels Rising goes deep into misery and debt enslavement is spoken about many times. Also fun fact but apparently the Empire caused an alien race to go extinct for no reason.

Here we go again
Somebody start SOME sort of other discussion

>Rebels Rising

What? You mean a super pro-Rebel book for children said the Empire was mean and bad?

The EU's best part is you can ignore the stupid and pick out the good. Unless you TFU to be canonized....

No, the Empire made things quite a bit better. Not perfect, but better.

>They can.

Outside of Poley fanwank they can't at all. Nothing stops a Star Destroyer in a direct assault except a bigger ship or sabotage.

>Stackpole
Every/almost every time X-wings successfully defeat Star Destroyers in his books, they do so with large numbers, shitloads of torpedoes, heavy casualties, and the support of allied capital ships. X-wings in the Stackpole books never killed ISDs on their own.

Yes, conquering and enslaving most of the world makes an empire evil regardless of technology. That isnt even a question.

And no, slaves did not have more rights and legal protections than they did when free. Thats just nonsense.

OK, let's talk about pornography
So, everyone, what's a sex scene you'd like to see written that hasn't been some yet?
I may end up getting drunk tonight and writing one of them, so be specific

Community payback isn't slavery. Or a lot of modern nations are evil.
Same for PoWs, even though you're supposed to pay them for their work.

Is Ahsoka a dickgirl?

>What? You mean a super pro-Rebel book for children said the Empire was mean and bad?
Maybe you should read but it's clear you can't. The book is actually pro-neutral, since Jyn is done wrong by both rebels and the empire. Shes still a good person though, so in the end fights against tyranny.

Also Zahn in Thrawn pretty much goes into detail on why the Empire is shit.

>The EU's best part is you can ignore the stupid and pick out the good. Unless you TFU to be canonized....
It doesn't work like that anymore.

It's not all X-wings but Rogue one shows a SD get taken down by smaller ships. I recall an X-wing squadron disabling a SD in the liberation of Jyn. I think it was a VR mission.

The Visual Guide for Rogue One says that the Empire underestimates the damage a starfighter can do. Only focusing on other capital ships.

A Mandalorian meticulously, painstakingly, and enthusiastically cleans a firearm.

If you want her to be

>but Rogue One shows
>doesn't work like that anymore

If you're following Nu-Canon for this then I'm dropping the argument on my end. It's been discussed neverendingly why Nu-Canon is a pile of shit and why the movies are piles of bigger shit.

I -- I do.

Well, we found a way to get rid of these conversations. Just talk about canon until it ends and they go away.

Then proceed with the rest of the idea

Anakin tenderly deflowering ahsoka right before she leaves