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>Question:
How could the Garou possibly come out as the victors in the 2nd Impergium?

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>How could the Garou possibly come out as the victors in the 2nd Impergium?

They can't. Expect an embarrassing ass pull.

It was a stupid ass decisions

There's two ways I can see it happening: either Elricsson was the one dictating it had to happen, because it gave him a way of inserting more LARP related bullshit in the books or they just didn't really want to spend any money on artists.

>How could the Garou possibly come out as the victors in the 2nd Impergium?
Completely impossible.

shut up faglord

Elricson has nothing to do with OPP's development other than currently having approval power over everything. The photoshop stuff started before Paradox/NuWW bought the IP.

Don't call him a fag you faggot.

> I know the Malkavian model really well, she's super chill

You part of the LARP scene?

So what's the outcome then? World-wide humanity finds out about supernaturals? And I'm not talking about governments and the like, but ordinary people.

Money, I'd assume. V20's photoshop iconic characters were supposed to be a shout out to fans (like, I know the Malkavian model really well, she's super chill), but after that, who knows.

We don't know what kind of margins these things pull in, despite being top sellers on DTRPG, especially with the recent trainwrecks of M20, Beast in its entirety, and Secrets of the Covenants and the sheer time it takes ANYTHING to get completed beyond 'you guys gave us hundreds of thousands of dollars as a kickstarter!' What non-photoshop art we've gotten since has been hit or miss, as well. So I chalk it up to money.

Repeating my reply here just in case.

wouldn't an attempt at 2nd impergium crash and burn like 5 dozen different ways? hell pentex had a drug that block delirium, right? just get the government to set up a secret taskforce and now pentex can be the hero all werewolves get fucked over and pentex doesn't even have to expend much more manpower.

I LARP, yes. Have since 2004, met many of the devs through either working as a coordinator or storyteller or other position in the Camarilla/Mind's Eye Society, though I've mostly backed off from the organizations and been doing troupe games for the past 5 years or so. I run a Masquerade game, with about 25-30 people on average, we have a chill group that has a lot of fun.

In fact, we just did an event where everyone played a Prince and we got to address the Withering, and some players got some Princes of cities killed by doing things that developed during RP. Including Francois Villon of Paris. Fun times.

>So what's the outcome then?

Wolf skin throw rugs are going to become the new fashion.

Hmmm, it would depend if the other splats are involved. If not, then the Apocalypse as described by the Garou would probably happen. If not, i'm pretty sure the Technocracy would just wipe them out and mind-wipe any mortal who knew about it.

Also, I realize I should put my name back on, I'm here fairly regularly.

fag

>How could the Garou possibly come out as the victors in the 2nd Impergium?

>Black Furies - [. . .] they decide their purpose is to attack the Weaver, by destroying the structure of civilization, regardless of the millions of human lives lost in the process.

>Bone Gnawers - [. . .] Their Apocalyptic method is to unleash a disease that kills a billion humans within 2 months.

>Wendigo - [. . .] Outraged, a group of Wendigo use the Umbra to board and hijack a Nuclear Sub, and nukes Buffalo.

The LARPfag makes its appearance

With Swedish Dracula in charge tabletop players will be LARP fags too...

What's it like, LARP for WoD/VtM?

It just seems weird as a concept to me. I can understand getting around someone's table and playing a game or something, but dressing up and really getting into the part is too weird for me.

Where do you get your costumes from anyway?

And is there any footage of this? Or do people shun being recorded at these things?

According to the cliffnotes we got from WoD Berlin 2017, Pentex and Technocratic Union are involved with the 2nd Inquisition, which also has the support of various government agencies, so yeah, I think it's safe to say other splats are gonna get involved.

could all the fags please leave

this place is for faggots only

>>Wendigo - [. . .] Outraged, a group of Wendigo use the Umbra to board and hijack a Nuclear Sub, and nukes Buffalo.
>nukes Buffalo
>all of humanity dies

They're helping!

You can't just launch an ICBM.

It's sad we're going to be transformed into the faggiest of the faggots.

Actually you can, it's a myth that they can only be launched with codes obtained from a presidential order. Especially on a missile sub, you'd just need the launch keys from the senior crew.

We will be the faggiest fags to ever fag

Yup. 100% bonafide.

Yup. I'm here often, I just forget to stick my name on it.

It's a combination of improv theatre and game, is the easiest way to put it. Different LARPs do things a little differently, but a lot of people who LARP here are amateur actors, enjoy acting and are creative individuals. We rent a large room in a convention center, and that gives us access to function space like nice little seating nooks, a patio and such that we can use for breakout space so it works well. People just get up, move around, act out their characters through mannerisms, sometimes accents, props and such.

So we get things like the suit-wearing Assamite Vizier who was a WW1 veteran; the big bearded Irish Brujah who owns most of the blue collar bars in town; the ex-opera singer Toreador who was a drop-and-Embrace; the skull-motif biker Gangrel chick, or the Daughter of Cacophony local bubblegum pop star. We have a variety of concepts which makes the game shine, I think.

Many of the players wear things that they may already have, we also have a couple of seamstresses in the game who take commissions, and we try to push the 'Masquerade' concept, so we don't get 'lace and frock coats' type stuff unless there's like, an IC masquerade ball.

I have a couple of videos, but I haven't shared them; I won't without peoples' permission. If I get permission I'll get a link. Here's an edited pic of me and one other player, playing as a Tremere Elder (male, me) and a Toreador Elder, for our Halloween event from last year where we blew up the entirety of the Tremere clan. This was special event costume, for example.

Every LARP I've ever seen has been a huge drama fest where a single clique has all the fun while everyone else is left getting screwed. It's also a lot about hooking up, like way more than it should be.

As far as STing, LARP tends to have a 'players drive the plot' angle, but my staff of 4 others and me build plot, we have a 'living World of Darkness' where, if players seek them out, they can interact with other supernaturals, other vampire NPCs and such. A typical session might be the Prince calling court to deal with plot stuff going on (recent events include the revival of Troile and an alliance of Baali/Brujah loyal to her trying to spread Infernalism; hunters reacting to bombings; a Setite pushing drugs and endangering the Masquerade while getting rich; and a Sabbat secessionist strike team in the city), as well as players' personal plot (like the two Brujah refugees from a Baali-conquered Athens, Greece; or the Anarchs trying NOT to get hit by a pogrom due to Camarilla policy changing; or the one Brujah trying to make peace with/become one with her Beast without losing her Humanity.). This upcoming game is a Toreador hosted party, as the Daughters got inducted into the Camarilla officially as a Bloodline of the Toreador at the Grand Conclave from a couple of weeks ago.

Yeah, this happens. It's totally dependent on the group. We have a lot of dating/married couples and very, very little drama, which I'm thankful for. It's been one of the blessings of being out of the MES.

THICC

LARPing is for losers who like to play dress-up

>LARPing is for losers who like to play dress-up
And tabletop if for losers who like to sit on their ass.

I'd rather sit on my ass than play dress-up

That's fair, its not for everyone, but don't lose sight of the fact that everyone who likes these games is a fucking faggot.

How old are most people involved in this?

Isn't that the case for every bigger/clique gathering? People looking up other people who share their interests and wanting to bang them?

But not all of us fag equally

How many gothopotamuses in your local scene?

>gothopotamuses

like dis?

A typical WoD LARP session.

you are assuming that they can get luck into success when EVERY other supernatural group has some kind of seer and something that would murder at least a major portion of humanity wouldn't set the off. the balance of secrecy would call down a curbstomp on them.

oh and wouldn't ALL of these ideas strengthen the wyrm to an insane level? you know, the nightmare force that the wolves are suppose to be fighting?

Hey at least he isn't getting his hands on scion. I can still get my urban fantasy fix from over there.

Our youngest player is 18, the daughter of a couple of players whose work doesn't allow them to get to game any more. This is the youngest we allow due to our social contract and potential legal issues, without direct parental supervision on site.

Our oldest player is in his mid-40s, the average age is 25-35 though. Most of us are just everyday people who like Vampire the Masquerade (well, WoD in general really; when vampire ends in January, Apocalypse will be picked up and fill the spot).

If you want to see more pictures, let me know; I can do some editing of some stuff to remove faces and pop up an album somewhere. To be fair, our LARP is a lot more chill than many LARPs you'll see, so... it's always a YMMV thing.

Sure, edit the photos and put them up on imgur or something.

Anyway, where do these things take place anyway? Europe? North America? Are you all from the same place or do you travel around for the occasion?

...

The problem is when one of those people is an ST who uses their position to put players (almost always female) in compromising positions. The power dynamic is real and I've seen a lot of creepers both players and MES storytellers use it to goad sex from impressionable newbies.

are these the only tribes mentioned?

Mages need to be nerfed in 5e

There is no other way

Is that nigga wearing a skirt?

1. Vampires all focused on bullshit in the middle east
2. Mages decide to shift to a deep-umbra footing
3. Humanity in general gets severely retarded
4. All the wraiths their cullings create somehow decide not to fuck the Garou in their collective assholes

Let's face it, the second Impergium movement will either fail or change Werewolf into a desperate horror game where you're on the run from everybody. Actually, that Idea might be kinda cool.

Don't worry, everything will be nerfed to be more LARP friendly.
Things like all the elders being called off and other things that seem to lower the power and ability of vampires in the setting seem to support this.

It's probably going to happen.

This image triggers me so much.
Does the vamp lady have a Siamese twin growing out of her back?
Why is the chick in the middle not casting a reflection?
Where's the stall door?
Is that a man's hand? What's he doing in the ladies room?

That'll never happen, mostly because there won't be a Mage 5th Edition. The whole problem with VtM 5th is that it answers a question no one asked; The 20th anniversary editions continued the metaplots past ToJ already and even polished up the mechanics. Ripping the guts out of everything and putting someone who hates the urban fantasy genre (Ken Hite) in charge under the direction of a LARPer (Dracula) is a recipe for failure. The only use 5th Edition has is as the mechanical underpinning for whatever game Paradox is going to make with the property.

Why don't the players just tell the STs to fuck off when it becomes obvious what they're angling for?

Mages don't need to be nerfed, you dumb fucking imbecile.

Leather kilt.

It's a Hollow Mekhet. Their reflections are sentient and malicious toward them.

A normie mage could kill a fucking methuselah of course they need to be nerfedd

Nerds aren't very good at asserting themselves. In fact they are very easy to push around and usually desperate for approval from peers.
>Source, have pushed around nerds for ages

No, they don't.

They will be anyway. :^)

I'm in the US. When I was part of the Camarilla/MES, I'd travel a lot for games (to nearby cities for one-day games, or other places like New Orleans, Chicago, Nashville, and others for conventions). We don't do much travel as a troupe game, which means we're not part of a larger organization of interconnected games. We have a few people that travel from a couple of cities over on average about 30-45 minutes away, to come play, but most of us are in the same city.

I'll pop the link once i'm done editing. Feel free to ask questions as you will.

Because they're the STs. Most LARPers are sniveling people pleaser personalities who see the imaginary authority conveyed on the ST and will treat them as godlike presence so long as their character whims are met, just feed the queen bee a bone every once and awhile and she'll keep the rest of the troupe on your side even if you're a serial manipulator and try to socially blackmail others into sex.

Faggots who try and run crossovers need to deal with their own fuckups.

Sadly LARP tends to attract people with social issues, and it can be hard for them to push back against that.

But crossovers are fun so why do mages need to shit on everyone?

Do you do much NWoD LARPing? Do you think the 2e material is in anyway viable for a LARP?

Just don't let a faggot play a mage in your crossover and you'll be fine.

>why do mages need to shit on everyone?

Because that's their kink

There's just something kind of sad and hilarious about all of these

There's rules for nWoD LARPing, just none for CoD. They're still shit though, nearly all LARP systems are garbage, you're better off just playing it narratively with the ST running the mechanics ad hoc, like a Fiasco game.

Wizards are wizards. So of course they're going to take a massive dump on vampires and werewolves.

>crossovers are fun

They're cropped from ye olde Apocalypse splat and aren't part 5e (that I know)

>narratively with the ST running the mechanics ad hoc, like a Fiasco game.
In my experience this requires far more experienced STs than you can typically wrangle for a game. A concrete, even if shitty, system keeps everyone on the same page, and also allows some modicum of fairness in PvP conflict. Other wise its just whoever the ST likes wins most of the time. Unless there is some other way to keep Nepotism in check, freeform LARP can go fuck it self.

Kilts are only kilts if they're the traditional tartan and you've got manly legs. Otherwise you're a nigga in a skirt.

>crossovers are fun

>vampire uses celerity
>lel friction curse

truly mages are the best

>crossovers are fun
If you don't actually like the themes of any of the game lines and just want to play a supernatural being then pick a different system, WoD is very obviously not made for crossovers.

That sort of explains only one of the many things that are wrong with this drawing.

I have done Requiem, Forsaken, Awakening and Lost as LARP. It works okay; the mechanics are a little weird and promote hyper-comptetency but they can be fun. I am not sure how well 2e would translate, but I admit I haven't read everything in 2e. The core mechanic could/would work, it would just be a matter of adapting TT things like always, since LARP is a real visual/distance based.

Heres a pic of me as my Invictus Duchagne Daeva, and his Au Pair and his Knightly escort from a game.

>WoD is very obviously not made for crossovers.

Except you're wrong

Not if you're an o.g. nigga

If you're doing a Troupe game what sort of location rental are you paying? And how much do you collect from the players/how often are games? Or is it just funded by someone with an actual good job? I've mostly only played with college students, which are basically all hobos, I'm curious about how locations work out logistically.
Do you decorate rooms and have set locations that people go to for different IC areas or do you typically leave it more freeform?

>implying that will even make a difference

>Except you're wrong
This is the point where you try to argue against power levels, clashing themes, mage dickery fucking other supernaturals and focus getting completely all over the place.
Go!

Mage > Werewolf > Vampire >>> Changeling

??????

>totally different power levels, to the extent that some splats can operate as better versions of other slats
>entirely different themes
>entirely different goals
>some splats are explicitly written as not getting along
>can't even do anything during the day if you have a vampire
I know you can handwave/houserule a lot of this away (although for some slats the power level thing is pretty unavoidable) but at that point just play GURPS or FATE with vampires and werewolves.

>But crossovers are fun

Archmage > Caine > Antediluvian > Vampire(Elder/Methuselah) = Mage(Master) > Mage > Werewolf > Vampire >>> Changeling

Control > Archmage

Remember that the Technocracy is run by a hivemind of Archmagi whose power is unified.

As a group, yeah. Individually not so much.

The most powerful of Archmasters aren't affiliated with either the Union or the Traditions.

We are all working people, so we request a donation of $5 per person per game though most people pop in $10, so overflow goes to pay for set dressing and props and things. We got a good deal with the hotel we're at, right after the finished remodeling, we have a 44x22 or a 22x22 square foot meeting space, depending on our needs, along with any attendant function space in the conference center (which includes about four smaller sitting areas, a patio/smoking area). We pay $150 or $200 (smaller room or larger room) for all day due to the fact we rent it twice a month, 1st and 3rd Saturdays, and we got in right after their remodel. Sometimes we share space with people and we double up on what we deem the Masque-fucking-rade. We have had nothing but positive remarks, even when we had a crazy Sabbat gangrel show up in full wolf face while we were sharing space with a darts tournament. People had no bad reaction to the costuming at all.

Here's a Brujah I have played on an off, blue collar guy who was involved in the Mine Wars in Eastern KY in the 30s.

As far as rooms/deco, we nominate the main room the 'main meeting space' (like, for this upcoming game, it'll be the private lounges at the city opera house due to the event going on), and we'll nominate the breakout spaces as other locations since they're on more of a 'only need to exist as necessary'. When we played on campus, we'd have specific rooms set up as specific areas, but the only viable campus location doesn't have a gaming association, and it was a bit of a problem due to a couple of medical issues with a couple of players as well.

I will be back with a link to a bigger collection of pictures, and I'll check on the questions later on. Gotta head to Lowe's to get deck stain, yay spring/summer projects.

I see that we both shop at Ross

>archmage > archmage

wat

Here's hoping we get those cores sometime in the next month.

They prefer the term Archscientist. And its debatable since high level Technocrats tend to suffer from Clarity (basically, to Static Genius what Marauder is to Dynamic Avatar; think Threat Null).

Besides, aren't Aswadim more powerful then Archmages and Archscientists? I know that the anti-Christ in setting is basically a very powerful Nephandi Aswadim of Entropy, and that summoning him almost immediately leads to Descent and hell on earth.

So in Ascension do any of these guys know that none of what they're doing is actually science or magic?

No. If they did they couldn't do it because they don't really believe. Except the shitty hollow ones who just believe in what it actually is, chaos magic. They are the worst group and the most boring part of the setting.