Warmachine/Hordes General /wmh/

Just clearing something up from the last thread.

>Khardic agents copied the colossal construction plans and carried them north to a production facility in Korsk that complemented the one in Caspia. While the exact details of what followed remain shrouded in mystery, the Iron Alliance clearly betrayed their own when the existence of the great foundries in Korsk was revealed to the Orgoth. Khadoran historians believe this treachery was not pure spite but was instead intended to distract the Orgoth from construction in Caspia."
>The hell? I liked Khador as a faction but I always assumed they were just being bitter. Guess they WHERE thrown under the bus for the safety of Caspia.

Kings, Nations and Gods isn't written purely objectively. Each section is somewhat from the perspective of the nation it details.

In canon, it's never been proven that Caspia actually sold out the northern Colossal plans.

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>Savage
Has actually done good work when I've used them because no one wants to use activations killing them
>Raider
Fine with Mord/Zaal since it makes their own gun useful
>Shaman
Underwhelming
>Brute
Excellent speedbump with a fine animus

Unf, gimme those elf Gundams

I'm actually liking Hemera a lot more.

Imperatus is just a little TOO elaborate. It feels more top heavy somehow, whereas Hemera seems to strike a nice balance between fine details and the characteristic smooth lines and big shoulders of Ret. I like its 'wings' and head shape more, too.

Cankerwurm. I like Cryx's profusion of weird non-humanoid 'Jacks, and Canks is just so cute!

Critique my tournament list:

conflictchamber.com/#bi1b_-0d171U1U1U1U1U2424243q3z3z3B2_2_gr__0y221G1G3qe41G1L3C3B2_2W2W3G3Hgr

Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] The Creator's Might

(Amon 1) High Allegiant Amon Ad-Raza [+29]
- Crusader [10]
- Crusader [10]
- Crusader [10]
- Crusader [10]
- Crusader [10]
- Templar [15]
- Templar [15]
- Templar [15]
- Hierophant [0(3)]
Vassal of Menoth [0(3)]
Vassal of Menoth [0(3)]
Wrack [1]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Armory (Steamroller) [0]

Protectorate Army - 75 / 75 points

(Kreoss 1) High Exemplar Kreoss [+29]
- Reckoner [16]
- Redeemer [11]
- Redeemer [11]
- Hierophant [3]
Initiate Tristan Durant [4]
- Redeemer [11]
- Vigilant [9]
The Covenant of Menoth [4]
Wrack [1]
Choir of Menoth (min) [4]
Deliverer Sunburst Crew [5]
Deliverer Sunburst Crew [5]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Armory (Steamroller) [0]

No need to critique me for taking it, I already know I'm an asshole.

I gotta go for the classic Ironclad. Love the new prime cover art.

>Lore Edition

What would it take for some quality lore/books/storyline in the IK?

>or appoint Vindictus as a temporary heirarch

Why the fuck would they do that? Just for the sake of getting a heirarch who's also a warcaster?

What's a good place to buy Warmahordes stuff online?

Non-shitty writers who keep having to toe the tank tread feminist company CEO's and his cuck-of-a-husband producers "men and women are completely the same in everything except women are better in X Y and Z and also give birth and look prettier and and and..." narrative 24/7. While that same cunt of a CEO doesn't really give a rats ass about the game or any of the other PP products, just money for her vapid shit.

What?

ok

Dude what? Are you ok?

I personally wanna see Vindy be Feora's Starscream.

Time, mostly. People always say that 40k's lore is far better than anyone else's, but I reckon that's mainly because it's far older, and has had time to produce good works. Given time and continued support, Warmachine could produce good lore just like Games Workshop has.

Lol did you see the new shit for 40k?
>oh we had these super amazing marines made in secret just in time for the new ed- I mean 10,000 years in the making, and they're beyond broken

Are you aware that this is the company that gave us Denny canonically sucking off a trencher for information?

You're off your rocker, mate. Go back to /pol/.

Warmahordes already has great lore though.

Just read Gods, Nations and Kings. The history of the Iron Kingdoms has an insane amount of depth and a rigorous internal logic to it, moreso than anything in 40K.

When are we getting a non-character dire troll that uses melee weapons and not just fists
Kinda like pic related

>Are you aware that this is the company that gave us Denny canonically sucking off a trencher for information?
Wait what
I need to know more
You know for research

I'd recommend putting two Redeemers on Tristan, then dropping the Vigilant and Redeemer for the Eye of Truth. Gives you more of an anti-armor punch that will last until late game and also means you don't have to cast Purification every turn, which keeos Kreoss safer. Assuming the VoJ stays the same, I'm running this:

High Exemplar Kreoss - WJ: +29
- Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 16)
- Reckoner - PC: 16 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13)
Vessel of Judgment - PC: 18
Initiate Tristan Durant - PC: 4
- Redeemer - PC: 11
- Redeemer - PC: 11
Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Vassal Mechanik - PC: 1
Wrack - PC: 1
Choir of Menoth - Leader & 3 Grunts: 4
Idrian Skirmishers - Leader & 9 Grunts: 15
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide - Chieftain & Guide: 5

As for your Amon list, it's a decent skew. The problem I see is you'll really have to worry about infantry jamming you and all large bases creates some problems with positioning Amon since he wants to go first. Additionally, your threat ranges are super predictable because you have no ranged attacks in the army. You're going to have to be careful qbout what you drop the list into, but it seems like a decent start point.

Any New CID Information?

I don't get it laddie. How's they supposed to eats a man whole if'n you go cutting him in halveses first?

VoJ is unchanged from last week, which is good. I definitely think it's in a good spot now.

Well you don't see people complaining about the Bomber or the Blitzer do you?

It was in a NQ issue IIRC.

It happened shortly before she got cut in half. She illusioned herself up like Haley and suckie suckied some trencher with a crush on her.

bomber's just getting on in years y'see. Needs his meat tenderized a little first.

So have they just stopped making IKRPG books? Will it be updated in NQ from now on?

any leaks yet from this months nq?

How do we know someone else in the Iron Alliance didn't sell them out or that it wasn't a spy?

Weren't War Witches spy masters or such?

For all we know, Rhul could have sold them out.

Does the Sea King count?

It technically has a melee weapon.

We don't.

All we know is that Khadorans claim they were betrayed by Caspia specifically. It's pretty much guaranteed to just be a petty lie made up to make themselves feel better. In reality it probably was just Orgoth spies getting past their defenses.

Looking to sell my pretty large army somewhere but not sure what places would be the best/most likely to sell on.

TL;DR: Whats everyones favorite place for buying/selling secondhand minis?

>Menothbowl

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Oh, so mk1 fluff. Yeah. I think Matt Wilson's wife got more involved after mk2 rolled out.

New CiD is out. Animantarax is interesting now. It's spd8 base. Cantankerous is only for rage tokens. Its club tail replaces crit smite with plain Knockdown.

In other words, the Animantarax became a bigger Grolar.

I wonder which side the Order Of The Alliegent Fist would side with.

To be honest, who stands to advance Menoth's cause more?

Also they only bring it up 600 years later to justify their war of aggression against the other Iron Kingdoms.

>We don't.

That's what surprised me. The rest of the fiction didn't say that Doom Reavers were all serial killers, or that work and punishment in Khador weren't often filled with corruption, needless death, and suffering.

But it DID objectively state that Khador was betrayed.

local facebook group would be a good bet, or just like ebay or some such site.

>Still not playing Mordikaar in the current year

(Mordikaar 1) Void Seer Mordikaar [+29]
- Archidon [10]
- Archidon [10]
- Cyclops Raider [9]
- Despoiler [19]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1]
Void Spirit [4]
Void Spirit [4]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Praetorian Ferox (max) [20]

>Specialists
Basilisk Krea [7]
Extoller Soulward [3]
Gremlin Swarm [3]
Gremlin Swarm [3]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Swamp Gobbers Bellows Crew [2]
Tyrant Commander & Standard Bearer [6]

What army?
How big?

Yeah, you can tell because all the high heels and copious cleavage suddenly vanished.

Again, /pol/ is to your left. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>5 minutes before this image she was probably being fucked over that barrel by those two guys

Is there like a store locator somewhere, where I can find places nearby me that host days to play it or tournaments?

Are Umbreans in Khadoran Llael actually satisfied with Khador's rule of the place?

Depends on the individual. More and more became satisfied with it as Vlad proved to be a suitably pro-Umbrean ruler.

That said, Khador has recently been kicked out of either Merywyn or Rynyr, I don't recall which, and the Protectorate forces are withdrawing.

Do you have the changes for Ret? I hear the AFG got even better.

Here, I'll post it. Part 1.
This will be the final week for the Battle Engines/Thralls CID cycle.
CID Change log for 5/17/17

Khador
Gun Carriage: This change should solve the infinite attack issue while not introducing any additional unwanted effects. Please help us pick this apart!

Change the text of Crushing Weight to the following:

When it charges, this model is not required to move at least 3˝ to make impact attacks. Instead of making impact attacks only once, this model can make impact attacks each time it contacts a model for the first time during its charge.

Cryx
Desecrator: Many arguments were made for AOE 4 on the Desecrator and how it solidified its niche in Cryx. We felt it was still important to be able to charge your targets so we opted to allow both options.

Return Plague Bearer to AOE 4.
Replace Scather with Void Field on the Plague Bearer.

This attack’s AOE is a hazard that remains in play for one round. Non-undead models entering or ending their activations in the AOE suffer 1 point of corrosion damage XICONX.

Bane Knights: Much of the feedback stated how much better Warriors were to Knights. This point change should make the choice less automatic while keeping Warriors in a solid place.

Cost 9/15.

Bane Warriors: Much of the feedback stated how much better Warriors were to Knights. This point change should make the choice less automatic while keeping Warriors in a solid place.

Cost 10/16.
Wraith Engine: The Wraith Engine was being described as very passive and when it did leave Incorporeal being easily removed and having a low impact. Changing Cleave to Rapid Strike increases the Wraith Engines melee threat to non-infantry targets. The slight increase in boxes will hopefully force a little more commitment out of opponents trying to destroy the Wraith Engine.

Increase damage boxes by 2 (to 26).
Change Cleave to Rapid Strike.

This model can make one additional melee attack each Combat Action.

Part 2
Retribution
Arcantrik Force Generator: Much of our feedback pointed out some issues the AFG was having. We hope these changes will help the AFG feel a little more fluid on the battle field while increasing its effectiveness.

Cut the Dual Shot special rule.
Increase the ROF of the Teleforce Cannon to 2.
Replace the text of the Destructor Attack Type with the following:

Damage rolls resulting from this attack are automatically boosted.

Mercenaries
Hammerfall Siege Crawler: Roadblock was an awkward rule to use on the Siege Crawler and did not benefit very many models. Girded will help the Siege Crawler wiggle into some non-rhulic lists as well as provide a much easier to use model.

Reduce point cost to 17.
Replace Roadblock with Girded.

This model and friendly models B2B with it do not suffer blast damage.

Trollbloods
War Wagon: This change should solve the infinite attack issue while not introducing any additional unwanted effects. Please help us pick this apart!

Change the text of Crushing Weight to the following:

When it charges, this model is not required to move at least 3˝ to make impact attacks. Instead of making impact attacks only once, this model can make impact attacks each time it contacts a model for the first time during its charge.

United Kriels Theme Force: A large portion of this feedback showed how difficult it could be to position all of your medium based infantry and draw line of sight to enemy small and medium based models. Hopefully this change will alleviate some of that headache and make the list a little more consistent. Please provide feedback on how this changes deployment as well as how you advance during your game.

Change the second special rule to the following:

Warrior models in this army can ignore other friendly warrior models when determining LOS.

They still had control of Merywyn the last time I checked.

Part 3
Circle
Celestial Fulcrum: Battle reports showed the Fulcrum had a severe decrease in effectiveness, even in Wold centric armies. The return of Fury Bank should help smooth those turns out. We also noticed that because of the low range of Power of the Stones it required ranged Wolds to function. The increase in collection range should make some of the more melee oriented Wolds more attractive to take with the Fulcrum.

Regains Fury Bank.
Increase point cost back to 19.
Power of the Stones affects command range.
Skorne
Siege Animantarax: Applying the speed bonus from Cantankerous to the base SPD of the Animantarax should make it an easier model to play. It now has the option to forgo Cantankerous and play independently on a flank or the option to deploy more central and be attacked by Paingivers for tokens. Removing Critical Smite and replacing it with Knockdown should drastically increase the melee output of the Animantarax against higher defense targets.

SPD increased to 8.
The Cantankerous special rule no longer adds to SPD.
Replace Critical Smite with Knockdown on the Siege Animantarax’s Club Tail weapon.

When a model is hit by an attack with this weapon, it becomes knocked down.

Minions
Sacral Vault: Feedback showed that many players wanted a heavier support role out of the Sacral Vault. Telemetry synergizes very well with several of the Blind Water Warlocks and promotes the concept of the model.

The Sacral Vault gains Telemetry.

Telemetry - Other friendly Faction models gain +2 to magic attack rolls against enemy models in this model’s command range.

Cryx, owned basically one of every unit and caster as of a couple years ago and most of the jacks with duplicates of certain things like Banes. Also had a smaller Legion army that I would mess around with.

Could try to sell to the local group I suppose, have to see if the old one I was in is still active.

I might be interested in buying it, do you have a picture of them?

>I wonder which side the Order Of The Alliegent Fist would side with.
They go with Amon. I'm pretty sure Amon is part of dickass Protectorate and will therefore side with Feora.

>To be honest, who stands to advance Menoth's cause more?
Menoth don't care so long as you worship and join his army after you die. As for gaining more adherents to the faith, both sides have their methods (crusading and missionary work for Kreoss, crusading and more crusading for Feora).

>For all we know, Rhul could have sold them out.

Obviously untrue. I mean, it's not as if Rhul isn't behind every major war in the history of the Iron Kingdoms. And it certainly isn't as if Rhulfolk assassinated the elven gods and chased Thagrosh to the specific mountain where Everblight was waiting.

>ywn watch Ossrum laugh down from the walls of Horgenhold at Reznik's demands to hand over the Llaelese refugees
>ywn watch as Harby throws thousands of Menites to die at the feet of an actually successful dorf fortress

Feels bad man.

Did that actually happen?

And was it Reznik trying to slaughter people again? I remember him doing something like that at Riversmet.

No, it never happened. I just really wanted it to.

Well, after reading the latest League fiction, I can conclusively confirm that Old Witch is best grandma.

As seen in Vlad's torture story, most Umbreans are really patriotic. That probably means by the count of individuals, some will favor Khador as long as Umbrey allies with them, while others hold loyalty to Llael.

That being sad, despite initially despising Khador due to them being asshole invaders, a good share of Llaelese folks turned to them for safety after Menoth rolled into the picture (turns out being taxed and put to work is a lot better than being nailed to cross and burned alive).

The population of Llael is split anyway, depening on the area. For example, the regions conquered and held by Kommander Harkevich were treated friendly and offered reparations out of the Khadoran treasury for their infrastructure and cities, making him popular with the pacified civilians.
On the other, the areas taken by the Butcher and his army of Doomreavers, mercilessly slaughtering every single living being in the area, obviously hate Khador and most likely joined the rebellion.

Khador is only confirmed to have lost Riversmet thus far.

Neither as far as I know. Cygnar took Riversmet in the newest novel, but unless something got progressed in the commamd books, Khador hasn't lost amy other major cities.

Don't worry user. Ossrum's at Fort Balton now, which means he'll probably get to laugh from the walls at somebody.

Wouldn't /pol/ be to the right?

hah

I dont unfortunately. Fair warning: only one model (some jack) is painted and some of the thralls dont have arms glued on because of a packaging error but I should still have the spare arms that customer support sent me. Also, I dont remember if I got the MK3 card updates either and Im not at home so I cant check but I do have foam trays for everything.

Yup. She's the coolest. You can see why Khador threw a fit when it was told they were losing her.

>the latest League fiction
gimmegimmegimme

you could say that they are split down the middle.

youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

okey im going now.

Yo. privateerpress.com/organized-play/leagues/crossroads-of-courage

Like she's so Khador. Ostensibly a villainous character, she's also divided in motive. She wants to save the world, but is still humane (Or at least visible) in her desire to do so.

Heck its likely she engineered Khador has her pet project to make a Country that was Humane enough to exist in, but bloody and aggressive enough to grant her power.

Thanks you senpai.

So what are the odds of any factions getting a large, flying serpentine or draconic beast and mounting a gun arsenal to it's back to create a Gargantuan reminiscent of something from Mahou Daisakusen?

I'd assume the Skorne would do it first, if anyone would.

>a large, flying serpentine or draconic beast
Uh isn't that already a Legion Gargantuan

I've always wondered if the Old Witch could be Dhunia or related to her in some way.

I'm figuring she isn't, but I still have to wonder.

Yes, but the odds of them slapping a gun arsenal to it's back are slim given the Legion doesn't really have any use for machinery of any kind or fire arms.

So been getting into the Chaos Space Marines, especially Nurgle. Are there any big characters under Nurgle's command that aren't widely known? I always get the sense Nurgle is basically more of a concept and a lot of the Chaos Space Marine "villains" are basically big video game bosses and not very big characters.

Seems like a waste in terms of the lore and everything else, because I fucking love Nurgle and was what got me into Warhammer.

Wrong war-noun thread buddy

This might interest you.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Characters_(Nurgle)

Also get the fuck out.

Whoever came up with the idea that the GUNcarriage needed to be a melee model should get shot in his dumb fucking face (Soles)

Huh? Now I'm intrigued. Where can I find this lore? My pants need to know.

He should. But if it's to be a Melee piece at least it's something. Overall it gained more than it lost, and its design allows it to work with more than just the Vlads and Sorcha 1.

I AM also miffed it's a Melee thing, and its visual design doesn't communicate its level of ramming capability at all as well as the Meat Thresher does despite doing it way better.

Which is stupider, a melee gun carriage, or a ranged Skorne theme list?

>a ranged Skorne theme list?

I think they had one called "Siege Column" back in MK2, but it wasn't all that great.

I think a Skorne Gunline is pretty decent though given the tools they have access to.

Melee Gun Carriage.

At least Skorne could theoretically weild ranged weapons. But the Retard that thought that a Tank wants to be in melee (With the giant Robots and Nightmare horrors) was a deep retard,

>Siege Animantarax

So they made it the Gun Carriage.

This is ok.

>Skorne
>Ranged tools
Like what? Morghoul2's feat and Mortality?

It's an absolute demon with Rasheth these days; somebody gave Skorne scather templates and there is synergy there.