Why do people still deny that altmer are the master race of TES?
>based on morrowind stats they are nearly twice as smart as most humans >naturally extremely adept at magic >eugenics has made them resistant to disease >millennia long lifespans >basically 7 foot tall super aryans
Also
>annihilated the empire and cucked the nords
Thomas Jenkins
But they're still evles so.
Robert Morales
>not hist
Let's see you survive to the next kalpa.
Alexander Johnson
>morrowind stats literally not canon
Luke Thomas
ok
Mason Moore
>muh racism
Um no sorry sweetie, try again
Chase Carter
As if Bretons didn't steal the best of your traits. On that subject, Brets are still chaotic decedents of Lorkhan, meaning their lives matter an iota. Altmer are just the metaphysical equivalent of tools and shills.
Jaxson Green
Do you ever think Altmer in Tamriel make threads about the master race of earth?
Ryder Young
Their too proud for that
In sure the nords shitpost endlessly about how they was divines and conquerors and shit though
Angel King
Bretons had some good traits rub off on then yes
But their manlets and decidedly less magically inclined
Grayson Perez
It's implied all the times that high elves are more intelligent and that certain races such as orcs and nords are slower
Thomas Myers
>he thinksa mace will be useful against a mage that can vaporize your from 75 yards away
Ishygddt
Jack White
Why are they shorter than other humans, anyway? You'd think with elf genes they'd be between the two races, not shorter than both.
Ayden Reed
Reminder that Bretons are the true master race of Tamriel.
>Naturally talented at magic. >Naturally resistant to magic. >Adept at martial skills to boot. >Great diplomats.
Second place belongs to Wood Elves
>Best god damn archers on Tamriel. >Have the best body coordination and martial skills among elves. >Can use a ritual to shapshift into monstorsities to kill of their enemies as a last measure. >Religion that makes them stronger - hunt for meat or die. >Have the best looking chicks of all races.
Meanwhile Altmer
>Are weak to magic. >Have piss skin. >Can't breed for shit. >Are the fantasy equivalent of Jews.
Joseph Collins
>>Best god damn archers on Tamriel. This is important because wars are decided on the mystic art of stealth archery
Colton Carter
Not to mention that Shapeshifting into monstrosities that devour everything.
Read up on Woolf-Deer.
Also the Wood elves slaughtered their way all the way across Tamriel to the middle of Skyrim just to kill that one arsehole who was riling up Nords to genocide them.
Lincoln Hill
And they are so exceptionally stealthy to boot. But they're also basically one coat of body hair away from being Khajiit
Gavin Williams
Reminder that All oblivion portals in BlackMarch had to be shut down by Dagon halfway through the crisis because while everyone else was getting fucked the Argonians decided to INVADE HIS REALM and were succeeding in their endeavor. They then proceeded to rape Morrowind and also succeeded in their endeavor.
Jordan Baker
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Cooper Jenkins
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Andrew Johnson
He hits your in the balls from 100 yards away in such a way that all your children retroactively become effeminate khajiiti cuntboys.
Everything in TES is magic if you practice enough.
Jack Murphy
>Elder Scrolls >Magic doing anything
Everyone that matters will have 90% resist stacked on 80% absorb. Altmer literally specialize in something worthless.
Aiden Butler
Because they are stuck up fags who act like spoiled children, Dunmer are way better.
John Johnson
>implies mages are useful when even the elves still field foot soldiers who beat things to death with clubs therefore meaning they have not been rendered irrelevent by magic like how firearms rendered melee irrelevent IRL.
Charles Kelly
Fireballs are for apprentices, you can't resist having the metaphysical rug pulled from under you by an asshole mystic with too much free time on his hands. Or by a lunatic who practiced martial arts so hard he can cut your hair with a quarterstaff.
Josiah Wright
>like how firearms rendered melee irrelevent IRL
Which is hilarious, considering Longbows were the superior weapon to use during the period of musket lines and bayonet charges.
And Crossbows were always better then Firearms until cartridge firearms came about
Dominic Murphy
I can understand being this ignorant ten years ago, but nowadays I don't know where you people are still coming from.
Jace Thompson
Elves die, Lorkhan laughs. Go play WE WUZ AEDRA AN SHIET somewhere else, Legolas.
Noah Nguyen
I know this is Veeky Forums, but this is also Veeky Forums
If you disagree, please tell me in what way, for my education, and your gratification
Jacob Brown
>annihilated the empire
Funny way of saying "easily baited into having almost their entire army destroyed in one battle."
Tyler Barnes
I don't I want to marry an Altmer qt to oudbreed my disgusting H*man genes and restore our Ehlnofey legacy that is best preserved by a glorious race of High Elves
Luke Ross
If I shoot you with a longbow, you will probably survive unless it hits something important and causes you to bleed out. You can also just wear a padded jacket and render yourself immune to most arrow lethality outside of point-blank range. And longbows only have an effective range of 50 meters.
Simmarilrily, crossbows inflict little trauma upon the body and will only kill if they sever something incredibly important, such as an artery. Even perforated organs may not kill you in the long run, certainly not in a couple seconds and you can still fight on after being shot with one.
Early firearms fire fucking .60 caliber lead balls that blow out huge chunks of the human body and go straight through it, and only incredibly thick plates will stop it that are expensive to mass produce. They will also instantly drop a man instead of merely wounding him and allowing him to fight on. You can still load and fire a weapon with an arrow embedded in your shoulder, such is not the case if the area that used to be your shoulder is now chunky salsa. Plus unlike bows, muskets can be semi-accurately aimed and sow terror better.
Contrary to Veeky Forums armchair general delusions, bows are not good weapons at all compared to even early firearms, which is why everybody and their mother was getting as many of them as they could either the second they became available or, in the case of the English, when they went up against firearms and realized how superior they were to archers.
Kevin Wright
I want to complain bout something here, but I honestly can't. >Red guards developed a sword technique that can literally split fucking atoms and cause a nuclear explosion >Induril Neravar beat Ysgrimor by PUNCHING his shouts until he shouted his own throat raw and bloody, then decided death was for fags and reincarnated thousands of years later (I know that's not actually how mantling works) >Argonians invaded Oblivion for shits and giggles during the oblivion crisis. Dagon had to manually kick them all out and close those portals because they were actually succeeding in taking over his realm.
Dominic Cruz
While everything you said makes sense, I simple don't understand how when things like the battle of crecy happened
Xavier Ross
>>Naturally talented at magic Not really, if they needed their magical talent to be raped into them.
Jackson Anderson
High Elves are weak-shit and so is anyone who thinks some beanpole bitch is gonna out-do the warrior mage orc who smithed a sword long enough to reflect his dick length.
Fucking knife ears. Get off of my Orcish Log-carving forum.
Ian Jenkins
>knife ears
Hudson King
Hit and run tactics, use of angles, and terrain advantage will always win out against arms superiority.
Lucas Williams
Redguard! Now and forever!
James Ramirez
Crecy wasn't about longbows as much as it was about English being clever and French being the opposite of clever.
English picked the ground that favored their army composition while the French could not deploy their entire force or use their cavalry properly because they were sitting behind a giant dike.
English could put pressure on French infantry and mercenary crossbowmen because two thirds of their army were massive burly dudes with bows, and while an arrow can't puncture decent mail or kill a warhorse at long range 10,000 arrows per minute means a lot of lucky hits.
English knew how to fight armor with bows and set up their fire zones so bowmen could shoot advancing French knights in the flanks. This meant they were hitting thin plate and wounding horses.
French kept trying to charge the fortified English position uphill, and abovementioned massive burly dudes also had armor and swords and fought in melee alongside English knights and men-at-arms, meaning that despite having a bigger army the French were vastly outnumbered in each individual assault.
Capturing nobles for ransom was one of the major sources of revenue in war, so thousands of wounded French were captured during each sortie. Vast majority of French knights who died at Crecy were murdered after reaching English lines and being taken prisoner, because the English feared they would not be able to hold so many prisoners.
Adam Butler
>murdered after reaching English lines and being taken prisoner
The English aren't even human.
Charles Lee
Now you understand what the Irish were trying to tell you all along.
Michael Allen
What about them? Barely anybody died from archers in Crecy or Azincourt. Instead most survived and were taken captive, then executed both times when respective English realized they had more prisoners than their own troops and could be easily overwhelmed.
Hence this is why the Hundred Years War is called the "death of chivalry", as the English basically shat all over chivalrious conventions such as not killing stupidly valuable knights.
Evan Hughes
A prevailing sentiment in continental Europe at the time.
Samuel Bell
>.t thalmor Nice propaganda thread faggot
Nolan Young
Just let that sink in for a moment, for all you ranger/rogue fags.
Archers had been pouring thousands of arrows onto the French knights. They killed their horses. But the knights still lived. The French knights then decided to charge on foot. And they got even more arrows hurled towards them. And the knights still lived.
The French didn't start losing men (which mostly were simply men injured, not killed) until the French finally reached the English lines and got swarmed because they lacked the whole momentum of a cavalry attack.
Grayson Stewart
Pretty sure absolutely none of the French knights that died at Crecy or Agincourt had even been slightly hurt by longbow men.
IIRC, Matt Easton has a video on it somewhere on Youtube, where he mentions some primary source of French knights writing about how longbowmen only hurt your wallet, basically. Having to get your visor fixed because arrowpoints get jammed in the view slits, ruining the design, or having to buy a new horse.
Liam Wright
Rangers are guys who range, as in roam.
And while you're technically correct, a warhorse is a huge thing of tough muscle and not easy to kill with arrows even when not whacked out on adrenaline.
Easton Clark
A sentiment in continental Europe at this time too.
>duurrrrr lets shoot ourselves in da foot becuz muh sovereignty
At least now those limey cunts can pay back the Irish for all the hurt they caused now the entire economic sector in London is relocating to Ireland.
Nathan Davis
EU is a creaky, leaking ship piloted by USA and Germany, while jumping overboard is stupid it's also stupid to not be extremely concerned about how the journey will end.
Oliver Long
No some people certainly did die from arrows, like the retards who left their visor open (there's always going to be "that guy") or the freak shot to the armpit that penetrates a lung. But otherwise it would be minor injuries or at worst incapacitations. IIRC most injuries were actually caused by trampling.
Sebastian Perry
Destriers were BARELY bigger than Coursers. Contrary to popular belief "war horses' were not big horses.
Julian Walker
Pretty sure absolutely no one died to English arrows during those two battles. All knights were nobles, so if they died to something, it'll be in books.
You might have something confused with the regular soldiers, or the Italian mercenaries the French brought along.
David Robinson
Even the earliest, shittiest firearms passed to their targets twice the kinetic energy of an arrow from the strongest longbow. In addition, that energy was passed by a lead bullet, which had much less propensity for bouncing from curved surfaces and could concuss the enemy even without penetrating plate.
Consequently, even if in total absence of armor, effective range of even the earliest, shittiest firearms was greater than those of bows. In fact, during the Imjin war the abiltity of Japanese arquebusiers to shoot up bow-using enemies from safe range (despite not wearing anything that could be called real armor) was one of their key advantages. In presence of armor, archers had to walk almost right next to the enemy to be effective.
Consequently, while early firearms were still too unwieldy to use in field battles, as soon as a proper arquebuse that "automated" placing the fuse to the powder, instead of awkwardly holding it in your hand, was invented in Europe, absolutely fucking everyone who ever encountered it and knew shit about war, instantly started using it in favor of bows, at least as far their ability to procure or make arquebuses extended. English, for example, completely abandoned longbows during XVI century.
As about crossbows, those that could compete with penetrative power of firearms were more expensive than firearms (requiring a complex winch) and took longer to reload.
Justin Cox
Also a note, armor often could stop gunshots, but even if your armor stops a bullet cold, a bullet hits really fucking hard. At the very least a defeated gunshot will knock the wind out of you, and break a rib at worst.
Hudson Rodriguez
My point was they are plenty big compared to humans, and arrows are already conditionally effective against a healthy human. You'd need to shoot a horse point blank if you want to cause serious harm.
Aiden Thompson
>Also a note, armor often could stop gunshots, but even if your armor stops a bullet cold, a bullet hits really fucking hard. At the very least a defeated gunshot will knock the wind out of you, and break a rib at worst. How does that go up against say, mail, transitional armour, early plate and late plate?
Your point sounds very logical, but history and physics often work in weird ways, and I wonder if a handgonne can really break someone's ribs while wearing hardened plate.
Samuel Martinez
Just a heads up: what weapons were like in real life is actually not remotely interesting.
Dylan Kelly
The EU is a beraucratic mess that's going to have to reform or it will go down as a German dominated Socialist Dictatorship.
Adam Harris
>Neravar beat Ysgrimor
I don't think they existed at the same time.
Henry Walker
>Socialist lolno mostly agree on your other points tho
Charles Rogers
Argonians really are the most successful. Hey, remember the Thrassian Plague? Or the Knahaten Flu?
Or all those times that Black Marsh has been fully conquered by outsiders? Oh wait, that's zero.
Parker Jones
Remember that time where Argonians were slaves of dunmer? And when Humans became rulers of tamriel, they let dunmer to keep them, because they never gave a fuck about lizards?
Aaron Green
It will go bankrupt long before that.
Mail is excellent against low velocity impact, but with war arrows and bullets you have a problem of rings breaking and letting the projectile through. I don't think it's possible to make mail that will protect against gunshot, you're better of wearing a brigandine and holding your fingers crossed.
'Transitional armor' is a bit dubious. You have mail, then mail with a cloth jacket with some plates bolted on (coat of plates), then you have a divergence to brigandine (leather coat with metal plates sewn to the inside) as lighter, cheaper soldiers' armor, full plate as expensive armor for rich assholes, and mail, because that thing had been around for 3000 years and every armory in Europe is sitting on a giant stockpile of it. Tempered steel plate is the absolute best medieval armor if you want shock protection, and that still wasn't enough in the end. The absolute pinnacle of plate quality also happened to be the time when firearms came into their own as the main weapon of every serious military. At that point plate was mostly used by rich soldiers to minimize the chance of getting killed by something trivial, rather than trying to facetank enemy gunfire.
> if a handgonne can really break someone's ribs Kevlar jackets aren't rigid. Kevlar prevents penetration but you still take all the kinetic energy of the round. Plate is rigid armor, it absorbs kinetic energy. The only two ways to bring down a man in plate were either to wrestle him down or to somehow manage a solid blow straight to his helmet with a polearm; plate armor would turn nearly anything else into a glancing blow. But plate's rigidity also means it can't effectively hold against a bullet, so the round will simply go through, possibly even shattering, and mess up your innards.
So, plate either turns a bullet into a harmless glancing shot, or does almost nothing and you suffer a normal gunshot wound.
Kayden Gutierrez
Okay, remember when the Akaviri were gonna wipe a joint Nord-Dunmer taskforce, but an Argonian slave chick had a Hist-vision and led an army of Argonians to the rescue?
Or how about the time the Dunmer HAD to give a fuck about the Argonians after the Red Mountain exploded?
Leo Diaz
They're the most successful, but at the cost they pay for it I don't envy them at all.
Sebastian Howard
user, it's basically a transfer union.
Hudson Garcia
Bretons are manlets though which means they're essentially worthless
>lol let's accidentaly the whole world >that's how you ascend, right?
WE WUZ GODS N SHIET
Aaron Diaz
You're still subhuman and only use from you is to make a shoe out of your skin.
Carson Hernandez
Trips here has a point
Jonathan Jones
>WE WUZ GODS N SHIET Both Elves and Humans are decedents of aedra (GODZ), but everyone but Altmer got cucked and forgot their birthright How dare Altmer to remember Ehlnofey legacy and not acting like other retarded races either worshiping daedra or dragons or fucking trees?
Jaxon Wood
Because the others are not trying to grape the world on an ascension gamble.
Jackson Foster
I GET STRESSED
Wood Elves are a cool concept but I never play as one Dark Elves are cool had Have nostalgia and magic and superiority over everything Argonians are tough and badass and all
So which would I choose to be my favorite?!
Carter Johnson
You always take Dunmer, you fucking Swit.
Ethan Garcia
The crux is why would anyone care, and how the fuck do you use that to justify committing genocide on every other race in existence and undoing the world because of your personal butthurt.
Joshua Gomez
And you're sub-Hist. See, I can resort to petty name calling too.
Leo Cruz
Unless you want to avoid the magicka/enchantment slot expenditure for Water Breathing. Then you go Argonian.
Justin Wright
Souls dont die but continue live in aetherius or oblivion Altmer are doing a favor for everyone, but you being a cucked human, cannot comprehend this
Jeremiah Baker
Swear to god to started reading this thread cause of ES, got side tracked doing homework and then started reading again and I couldnt even tell it was the same thread.
Jose Morales
What's there to do underwater in any TES game that would require more than a couple of cheap Water Breathing potions?
Hudson Green
Fistfight the Giant Slaughterfish like a real man.
Gavin Ward
Why don't you all kill yourselves and go do your shit from there?
Jason Gray
Fucking this.
Tyler Bailey
Potions are enough for that.
Hell, in Toddlivion you get regenerating mana and alteration spells are dirt cheap, you can stay underwater indefinitely with even mediocre skill. Just accept that you have a scalie fetish and let's move on.
Carson Rogers
Talk to me again when you guys become gods on earth.
Leo Murphy
You're forgetting that in Oblivion they also came with full poison immunity.
Michael Campbell
Who hasn't cucked the nords at this point?
Oliver Lewis
Truth
Owen Stewart
Which is relevant how? I can't even remember anything using poison.
Also, still potions. You are not poisoned all the time. You're probably not poisoned 99,999% of the time. Potions are enough.
Blake Adams
>Have the best looking chicks of all races
Oh I would disagree.
Juan Butler
ikr I mean, we all know that dunmer are best chicks, amirite?
Luke Brooks
To be honest senpai. Argonian women are hotter than Khajiit women.