Could real life modern earth stop a tyranid splinter fleet?

That scale is all buggered for a hive-ship. In Storm of Iron, they describe the captured hive ship as being about 25 km long. The hive ship in that pic is about 300,000 km long if those battle-barges are anything to judge scale from.

Hive Ships don't have consistent sizes. Some are still young, only decades old, while others grow to several magnitudes larger than the largest Imperial Battleship and have been around for millenia.

Also that pic is straight out of BFG: Armada, so it's canon.

this. realistically there is no way to counter Tyranids after they start tyrannoforming outside of exterminatus.

the 40k writes usually forget this though because it would make space marines look bad

With enough nukes, maybe. depends mostly on the size of the splinter fleet.

A genestealer cult would fuck is up if it showed up first.

send in the necron

As with all these questions it depends on whether they're in our universe or if we're in theirs.

Our universe? We win.
Their universe? They win.

Tyranids regularly win in space against enemy ships that fire things stronger than nukes as their standard weapons.

Nah. They'd just start their invasion in South America, Zerg rush the US, then pick everyone else off at their leisure.

No one bit the US could conceivably hold them anywhere and even then only until they run out of smart bombs to take out larger bioforms.

Earth is full of heresy and should be exterminatus.

Not really, no. Nukes are a special type of round in 40K that can hulk most ships smaller than a cruiser with one good hit.

There are much stronger weapons, like nova cannons and cyclonic torpedoes, but those can both take out hive ships pretty easily.

Unified enemy that wants nothing other than to destroy us and eat us vs splintered humanity, that half of itself would still be fighting with each other, the other half not believing it's coming. Militaries would easily be outmanoeuvred by enemies that probably don't need to sleep, travel very fast, can probably see in the dark.

We'd be fucked in less than a week.

I'm not very boned up on my Tyranid lore. Considering how stupid strong they are, how do the factions in 40k deal with them? I know that hive fleets have been diverted, but other than that I don't really know what anti-Tyrannid combat doctrine looks like. Unless you're a Necron, I guess, in which case I imagine it looks a little bit like:

>Step 1) have no biomass
>Step 2) haha fuck you space bugs

But for the more organic races, what do they do? Just fight the nids in space and blow up any planets they manage to touch so they can't eat them? Are the non-Necron factions in 40k just constantly ceding ground to them?

I'll admit, I'm a bit shaky on my physics, but wouldn't accelerating a copper blob to that kind of speed slow down quickly after it hits random air molecules in the atmosphere hard enough to start fusing them together, creating another fuckhueg explosion and pushing it backwards?

>Are the non-Necron factions in 40k just constantly ceding ground to them?
Pretty much. The Inquisition exterminatused a bunch of worlds to divert them to ork territory and all that did was slow them down until they killed the greenskins.

It takes the capture of a norm queen and the development of a bio poison to take out a hive fleet from her genetic material, which was the only reason Ultrimar survived.

That could actually fuck up a hive ship, but would we have enough?

I thought ultramar was spared by the navy detonating the warp drives of a fuckhueg ship inside the fleet?

>detonating the warp drives of a fuckhueg ship inside the fleet?
No that was tassadar, then again original writing/ideas are hard to find

That was only part of it. They captured a norm queen on the surface that allowes them to kill the actual fleet.

If you just kill the main hive ship or norm queen then everything else in the fleet that can make one does so and splinters off.

>Norn queen on the surface
wat?

Nids land norm queens for land operations in instances where they find it advantageous. It's the equivalent to having Creed in a Leviathan HQ.

Considering all you need are concrete, water, and a nuke, yes, we could make as many as we damn well please.

There are a lot of reasons why that thing wouldn't work. The copper disk would start to bloom and spread radially the moment it left the makeshift barrel and matter pushing it pushed through it, for one. It'd also detonate on contact with the air in the way meteors below a certain size do due to friction. Nuclear explosions also don't propagate force at relativistic speeds in actuality, nor does the act of creating hydrogen/oxygen from steam. The projectile would be going super fast, but not a % of light speed.

It'd work ok in space but it'd be super inaccurate. It'd be useless in an atmosphere, you'd just be setting off a nuke.

Despite the "tyranids are useless NPC" meme spread around by autists, tyranids are fuckin scary. Every time a faction beats them, they still ceded a bunch of ground to them and took unsustainable casualties. Eldar best kraken, at the cost of 4/5 of the population of Iyendan craft world. Ultramarines lost most of their chapter and the entire first company and still only beat them under very specific circumstances that won't work again. The tau beat gorgon but only after losing several worlds and having the surprise intervention of an imperial crusade. Leviathan is pretty much steamrolling through everything, with only the Orks putting up a good fight. In the end, every tyranid loss is still a win because they learn the enemy's tactics and strategies and come back even scarier. Look at the cryptus tendril, they BTFO one of the best defended imperial systems in less than 3 days, and only "lost" because of a very specific plan involving ancient necron structures. And even then it wasn't really a win for the spess mahrens, it just reduced the fleet from "will absolutely crush Baal and every BA successor chapter" to "will probably crush Baal and every BA successor chapter"

I thought that game didn't have bugs. Which is why I haven't bought it yet.

What? That bfg armada manual does not have that picture

That's fanart, you idiots.

This is false, those are dominatrix, tyranids do not field norne Queens on the three ground. Hive fleet behemoth was destroyed by the sacrifice of the dominus Astra, while on ultramar they only defended the polar section of the fortress of hera.

You are probably talking about uriel ventris and the battle of tarsis ultra, where they borded a hive ship to poison the Queen. That ended up saving the planet, but every time they tried the same tattics on a different fleet, it was uneffective

Explain

This. Tyranidfags and their "Impossible hordes omg" please calm down. Yeah it's a fictional race in a fictional setting, even then they are childishly implausible.

He meant the tabletop minis rulebook called bfg armada.... which has the same name and the computer game which doesn't

Yes, and I never saw a colored version of that book, which is why I'm calling bullishit on him

good god no.

Tyranids don't just invade a world, they seed it, sow anarchy, even before landing.

>All the worlds plants begin growing insanely fast and mutating due to spores
>cities are overrun with weeds and all roads are choked to be borderline unpassable
>genestealer cults start showing up, a few genestealers hiding in caves are able to generate mass hysteria
>earth is pretty much on the verge of collapse after a few months, governments break down, militaries are disbanded, police no longer exist.
>then the tyranids actually invade

We wouldn't stand a chance.

>all the bugs and crustaceans start mutating into tyranids
>plants start becoming aggressively carnivores, even the algae
>any sort of electronic communications starts fucking up
>overbearing sense of dread and horrific Cthulhu dreams plague the population
>weather patterns completely altered

And this just saying all before they even land

>Then Putin reveal himself to be the God Emperor and save us all with his mad 733T h4cK skills

If 40k works with the rule of cool then this must be cannon.

So, it's trump a genestealer?
Those fuckers have hypnotic gaze too

This. If a couple hundred thousand immigrants collapse Europe into chaos, imagine what a swarm of millions of tyranids would do. There woud be people literally defending the right of genestealer cultists to drive trucks into crowds because of "muh freedoms".

>The imperial guard BTFOd nids all the time so it shouldn't be impossible
Has this ever happened?

cain has beaten his fair share of nids

Real life modern Earth would be consumed with little to no effort. Despite getting their asses handed to them regularly in tabletop and in vidya, in the fluff 'Nids are only beaten or stopped by what are effectively DM Fiats and Magic MacGuffins. The primary tactic of the Tyranids is literally to drown any hint of resistance with superfluous numbers. Early fluff from 3rd Ed in White Dwarf described 'Nid invasions from the perspective of IG forts. Skies being blackened by swarms of millions of Gargoyles. Mycetic spores falling like meteor showers across the planet. Fields looking like living carpets of Gaunts and larger 'Nids. At least if it were Orks, we'd be able to survive long enough to call it a decent fight.

The entire armament of Earth is like a light PDF garrison in 40k terms. Hell, we're not even a unified body, unlike most Imperial planets. Of 200+ countries on Earth, maybe two dozen have militaries that could put up any kind of meaningful defense against ourselves, let alone intergalactic locusts. 40k operates on a scale we're simply unable to match, at least not without decades of unified global preparation. And even then, the 'Nids operate on a scale that even most of 40k has trouble dealing with. Could we deal with Imperial Guard? More than likely, though that depends entirely on how large an invasion force they're willing to spend. Orks? Not likely, but you couldn't say we didn't try either. 'Nids? You'd be better off picking your poison quickly before the Gaunts come to nibble your gubbins.

Yeah, Modern Earth still has a living God Emperor of Mankind on it some where.

The lore is pretty confused about that. The general idea is that the leviathan hive fleet wins against everyone except the orks in the octarius system. Kraken splinter fleet can be destroyed by everyone, and other minor fleets can be defeated at high costs.

The point is that tyranid are defeated in space, since they do not have a home world, so it must be the imperial navy or the space marine fleets to strike the final blow, while the imperial guard hold the ground

The Tau just outranged the 'nids and wore down there production capabilities. It needs to be said that this tactic still cost them several systems however.

>Forgetting that the God Emprah lives on modern day Earth
He would just teleport on to the hiveship and beat the shit out of the norn queen, problem solved.

Tyranids win with ease
Hive ships deal with shit the Eldar and Necrons throw at them, which is far beyond our capabilities, Harpies and Hive crones fly with "agility unattainable by sophisticated fighter jets" and are able to fly at speeds matching most (somehow) there will also be tens of thousands of them to start with

Sort of this, the actual numbers we have don't place the guard or marines as much more impressive than our current tech level, however I take this to be poor number work by GWs side as the stories paint a different picture. Such as marines killing cultists with a bolt pistol with pin point accuracy over 2kms away. Lasguns punching foot deep holes in concrete etc... Go by fluff not the actual numbers

>Psssst, nothing personnal queen'

No.

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This, a lot of people forget all this shit

>Everyone on earth suffering from mass nightmares and paranoia due to shadow in the warp
>Plant life is taking a heavy toll on resources and time to prune back as it entangles cities
>Stealer cults and Lictors attacking silently at night and taking or subverting key positions
>The approach of the hive fleet (assuming they use narvals) causes gravity fuck ups in the system, earthquakes and tsunamis wreck the worlds coastline cities and fault lines.
>Upon arriving tyranid spores and diseases begin to rapidly spread across the planet

Then the actual troops will deploy

>If a couple hundred thousand immigrants collapse Europe into chaos.
>chaos
Didn't happen.

Interesting to speculate, the emperor is pretty fucking powerful, going solo, how long could he fight off an entire hive fleet? Sure he could slap the swarmlord and beat down a handful of carnifexes.

But how long can he just keep fighting off monsters until titans or numbers bring him down?

I'm European, can confirm we are all living like feral savages after we started seeing brown people around the streets, its utter chaos here now, there is no god.

he could probably eat gaunts all day, but stuff like HT's and fexes would take seconds to kill, so depends on how many HT's there are since they have to fight the emp both with shadow of the warp and physical smashyness.

More like a slow rot actually.

He is powerful, but he is not omniscient, invincible, or unstoppable. He was almost assassinated on Proxima, and was nearly killed by a powerful Ork Warboss during the Battle of Gorro after being separated from his forces. Solo, against a Tyranid invasion, even Big E would go down eventually.

He would live through it and fight forever but all around him the planet would be consumed.

Anyone have a cap of the pages in the third edition codex detailing the stages of the invasion?

With immediate and excessive use of nuclear weaponry on every area where they touched down, maybe. Otherwise, not a prayer.

He could perhaps cause a Warp Storm and call it a day. Hard to say if the Shadow in the Warp is strong enought to stop him.

in the current lore tyranids do not enter the warp to travel

If there was time to prepare. We would probably win. Most of our military technology and strategic/tactical ability is superior to the imperial guards.

>European Refugee Crisis didn't happen
spotted the liberal cuck

It happened, but it certainly didn't cause any widespread chaos.

>technology
hold up there, the lasgun is superior to nearly every handheld weapon in existence
the tech for the guards equipment only looks inferior, but they are generally far superior to anything that currently exist

And yet your leaders continue demanding more and more Mohammad bin Mohammad's come over so they can shamelessly leech and drive trucks into crowds. They'd welcome Genestealer Cultists with open arms, right up until spores started raining down.

airplanes, tanks, guidance systems, tactics etc are all light years ahead of the guard. The leman russ looks like a pre ww2 tank design. In fact in a lot of future video game/table top games our current level of military tech is superior.

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No they aren't. If they sometimes appear to, that's just because GW writers are shit and have no idea what they're talking about.

it only looks inferior, due to the general aesthetic of the game, its armor is proof against even eldritch space lightning and its main gun eats the known-to-be-tough astartes for breakfast

do you think an abrams tank only has a 50 percent chance of hitting it's target. Because the leman russ does. It's even in the lore of 40k they have forgotten how most of their shit works and innovation is almost non existent

don't confuse, the average guard is poorly equipped because weapons are far more valuable than the user who is holding it.
a guard life is not worth a good weapon.

even if a current day soldier is better equipped than a imperial guard, veterans are not. Plasma, melta, bolter and flamer tecnology is superior to everything we have

Warp storms don't care if you're in the Warp or not.

isn't that a warp rift?

Cain and his merry men have slapped the Tyranid's shit on multiple occasions.

The shit they've forgotten is 10 000 years ahead of our current tech.

the average guardsman has similar equipment to a modern soldier

flak vest is roughly analogous to a kevlar and ceramic vest, it can stop hits up to .30 cal reliably, and easily stops frag and spall

lasguns are about as strong as an assault rifle, but have the advantage of not having recoil

the frag grenade looks like a plain old frag grenade

Sort of interchangeable.

>lasguns are about as strong as an assault rifle, but have the advantage of not having recoil
Lasguns are much more powerful than modern assault rifles. Consequently, any armor that can stop lasgun shots must be stronger than modern armor.

It's almost always the other way around, Tyranids hard counter most of what the guard throws at them. In cryptus they wiped out the guard in a few days despite preparations.

so IG>tyranid>necron

Startegies for dealing with them is basically make them fight to the death for a world then destroy the world once it appears to be a loss, to prevent them from replenishing biomass.
>other strategies are to divert them to someone else, pioneered by former Lord Inquistor Kryptman

>Lasguns are much more powerful than modern assault rifles
Not him but I would say they're about as powerful as a modern assault rifle. Standard 5.56×45mm NATO rounds. not any weaker. Its main advantage are that it can recharge on body heat or something so you dont really run out of ammo.

Heavy stubber is about equivalent of a .50 cal
Boltgun is equivalent of a 20mm autocannon
Heavy bolter is about equivalent of a 40mm Autocannon like a bofors or somesuch, probably with HESH rounds.

Still ongoing, to be fair, and only going to get worse over time, so we'll see how it goes.

>Not him but I would say they're about as powerful as a modern assault rifle.
I've yet to see or hear about an assault rifle that can blow off your arm.

fpbp

Sorry but no.

Breaking it down to ingame mechanics where an autogun is equivalent to your modern rifle, the Lasgun is superior in every way. The advantages range from the powerful variable fire setting, larger ammo capacity, penetration and assuming both operators are wielding their weapon with peak mastery, also a higher skill ceiling.

A lasgun has 100 shots to the autoguns what? 30, 50, maybe 100 if they get an unweildy drum? Has similar penetration and damage on the basic firing mode and begins to outperform the autogun in terms of firepower when dialed to overcharge mode which only doubles the energy consumption. If the operator sees bigger threats he can dial it up to overload mode which consumes triple the energy consumption and gives the weapon a similar jam rate to that of a shitty autogun, still a net gain. A master of the lasgun murders soft targets en masse and also takes advantage of the beam making his shots nearly impossible to evade.

And that's just the iconic m36. If we bring up the lucius pattern used by the deathkorps which is powerful enough to penetrate necrodermis and shoots giant holes in everything else, then the crappy powder era guns is all but forgotten.

>I've yet to see or hear about an assault rifle that can blow off your arm.
with a hollow tip bullet, it easily would. Even a single shot with a regular tip would make your arm unusable and shatter the bone - essentially blowing the arm off without severing the lower portion.

I would like to see some actual comparison of IG weapons to real life weapons, until we see that, its all speculation. From what I've heard and read, the heavy stubber is .50 cal equivalent, so scaling that back for the lasgun seems to make them around NATO round equivalent. They are unlikely to be any weaker.

GW seems to shy away from comparisons to real life weapons, or are just straight up inconsistent so these kind of discussions tend to be speculative.

Likewise with armor, there doesn't seem to be a 40K -> Real life equivalency chart around. How many mm or RHA is power armor equivalent to? how about terminator armor?
I asked this in a 40K thread a few weeks ago and no one could really answer.

The best people have for strict numbers are the ones where Land Raiders have really shitty armor. Of course, people try to ignore that it's outright stated to be translated into modern terms and say "muh 10k years of tech means canon isn't canon".

>an autogun is equivalent to your modern rifle
is this canon though?
also you didn't mention the penetration capability of the lasgun compared to the autogun. Looking at the 3E codex, they both have the same stats. STR 3. no armor penetration.

Its kind of funny to think thats about as powerful as the punch of an average IG in close combat... but I'm just going to pretend combat STR is scaled differently to shooting STR.

What we need is a list of 40K weapons to real life weapons, with a GW stamp of approval. I would be interested to see this. Until then its all speculation.

>Breaking 40k down to realistic real world stats
You know what else isnt realistic? Space magic, and yet it exists in 40k.

You need to stop dragging 40k down to real life stats and just accept what they say when they describe the autogun as equivalent to a modern rifle, and the heavy stubber as an equivalent to the 50 cal.

This game was never meant to be realistic its a fucking wonkey B movie sci fi about an army where every soldier is rambo fighting another army where every monster is predator.

Fucking muppet. We're not all German / Swedish.

Literally any assault rifle.