Has GW forgotten these exist? They never get talked about in lore or in games

I just looked up and this is real. Just fucking why...
Also, what is the point of Stormtalon and similar gunships if Landspeeders exist. Aren't they all filling the same role and have functionally the same weaponry?

The point is selling more miniatures.

The gunship looks good and makes sense

That land speeder with it's open cockpit/seating is hilariously dumb and ugly.

The infamous jumpsuit armor only makes sense in the context of being a field stopgap/jury rig made by tech Marines owing to a lack of real Terminator armor, which was already the midpoint between a marine and a dreadnought, hence its real name - Tactical Dreadnought armor. Same goes for that bizzard ass dreadknight thing the Grey's have.

>I actually like the vehicle on the left, it's basically a flying gun which is perfect for space marines
Yeah, but I can't for the life of me remember it's name...
Ah, Stormhawk Interceptor, a slightly less derpy looking Stormtalon Gunship...

The Centurion made sense lore-wise, as Space Marines needed something to replace the irreplaceable Terminator Armor, but they looked too cumbersome for use as Assault Troops while not out-shooting regular Devastator squads for the same points.

Well, I'm convinced the first one was something of an updated homage to the OG Shampoo Bottle Grav Tank, but the second one there is more of a mobile cover generator than an actual gun platform in itself.

>The Centurion made sense lore-wise, as Space Marines needed something to replace the irreplaceable Terminator Armor, but they looked too cumbersome for use as Assault Troops while not out-shooting regular Devastator squads for the same points.

The only reason I'd ever consider getting a Centurion personally would be to kit bash it into an Inquisitor in "Terminator" armour, because yeah, as a clunky made in a shed power armour + it's an okay design.

My assessment as well. Both the stormhawk and the storm talon fill a niche as a zippy aerial gunship that can provide heavy fire support. They're basically space Marines air cav, while land speeder are scout craft meant for harassing and reconnaissance, and thunder Hawks are air transport and gunships.

Storm(Hawks/talons) fly from hotspot to hotspot providing Brrrrrtttt and tsewtsew, and the hawk specifically can provide air superiority and sky clearance.. Thunder Hawks clear landing space and insert Marines before pulling back or providing dedicated close air support to a squad.

Speeders and Assault Bikes imo should be piloted by Scout Marines and used for recon and harassment, attack bikes for shoot n scoot.

They need a new heavier armored type of attack bike with partial frontal coverage for fast assault cavalry imo, to fulfill the white scars out there. Full armored Marines should pilot these

I'd also love to see some sort of space Marines "technical", an open truck with a close support weapon similar to an Ork trukk. Why? So Assault Marines can jump directly out of it after riding into battle, assaulting directly without having to disembark

Centurions make sense only as an ad-hoc replacement for Terminators in chapters or regiments that can't get or risk them, or for non space Marines forces who shouldn't have Terminator armor anyway.

Without the shrine it looks kinda okay. I don't think is the worst.

landspeeders are star wars-style speeders that hover a certain distance over the ground.

Gunships like the stormtalon can fly around in the air and even go into space

>Without the shrine
This is I ironically the most 40k element of the vehicle

Though a poor fit for space Marines who tend not to be religious zealots

It would be insanely appropriate for the Sisters

>Gunships like the stormtalon can fly around in the air and even go into space

More important they can hover in place, making them Harriers/Helicopters

So we pretty much all agree gunships are ok, but Centurions only make sense if some techmarine slapped them together because they didn't have Terminator armor but they needed something Terminator like NOW and a dread or tank would be too big or unwieldy?

And Dreadknight are just fucking silly

It just looks profound out of place on the "speeder". It's like "flying shoes are not enough fuck aerodynamics anyway". The Darktalon manages to have some of that stuff without going complete retard.

And sometimes that stuff is fantastic. The Interrogator-Chaplain is one of my favorite figures in all 40k.

It's Dark Angels man. They use those angelic symbols with robed figures all the time as a call back to their origins on Caliban if I remember correctly, to express a whole different type of zealotry.

Every time I see this mini all I can see is Doctor Doom about to smack the piss out of some fucking heretics.

Primaris Centurion when?

I want a Space Marine Space Marine Space Marine.

I'm pretty sure it's your shit taste that's invalid, friend.

I think this would be fine if it didn't have the pintle mount right on the front. Get rid of that, or shift him back to the normal spot on a land speeder, and I think it works pretty well as an upsized version with extra engines to carry bigger guns.

why have they clad it in marble?

One is a needless buffed up version of Devastators/Assaults.

The other is a rip-off from actual conversions.

Because fuck you that's why.

Isn't there someone who has made a conversion that looks better? Just as with the dumb baby-carrier robot, the design should be somewhat salvageable with a little common sense.

I think it actually looks pretty okay.

>Just as with the dumb baby-carrier robot, the design should be somewhat salvageable with a little common sense
have you ever seen someone make something not awful and/comical with the Dreadknight? The only thing I saw that didn't look too bad was giant Terminators, but that's about as dumb.

oh wait, were you talking about Centurions?
Well, if that's the case, I actually NEVER saw them look anything but bad, so I would be interested in seeing some of those conversions

best I could find

Yeah, meant this one.

Not awesome, but not full pants-on-head-retarded either.

better paint here, IMO

Centurion conversion (think for an Admech army ironically)

yeah that's the giant Terminator I was talking about. Looks way better, but still too close to a Terminator to be really amazing imo

youtube.com/watch?v=jXwKFsfk0bI

I really liked the Centurions they looked pretty cool so this kinda bums me out

>I'd also love to see some sort of space Marines "technical", an open truck with a close support weapon similar to an Ork trukk. Why? So Assault Marines can jump directly out of it after riding into battle, assaulting directly without having to disembark
Well that's sort of what Drop Pods and the Jump Packs are for, getting Assault Marines into the thick of it quickly.
Knowing the Assault Marines love of Mobility, they'd probably rather an Air Transport or a Speeder if they had to take a vehicle.

>Centurions make sense only as an ad-hoc replacement for Terminators in chapters or regiments that can't get or risk them, or for non space Marines forces who shouldn't have Terminator armor anyway.
>Centurions only make sense if some techmarine slapped them together because they didn't have Terminator armor but they needed something Terminator like NOW and a dread or tank would be too big or unwieldy?
>One is a needless buffed up version of Devastators/Assaults.
Since I've been hiding out on /m/, I can't say I'd get rid of the Centurion, but it does need retooling to fit it's nature as an Ad-hoc Terminator Armor.

At it's core, it's beefer armor for a regular Space Marine, thus it's use should reflect the standard Space Marine Squads:

-Devastator Centurion's need to be shooty-er, they need to make sense as an upgrade to regular Devastator Squads that normally hang back and rain hell.

-Assault Centurions need to be speeder; A huge Close Combat Unit makes no sense if it can't actually close into Melee after all, but obviously you can't mass produce the Personal Teleporter tech of Terminators.
Since like I said I've been over on /m/ these past few months, I figure the best option would be to take a page from VOTOMS and put "Gliding Foils"/"Land Spinners" in their feet; Basically Mecha Heelies that allow them to zoom into battle.

-"Tactical" Centurions, essentially a poor man's Terminator that has one Melee and one Ranged weapon.

You know, I think they'd be okay if the proportions weren't so wonky and all those pistons on the side were removed. Basically, make them Cataphractii Terminators, and they'd be fine.

>Centurions with mecha heelies
Now all we need is to put some LEDs in their soles.

Its becomes okay when you put the bolter onto the place where it is in normal landspeeders and change those anemic engines.

>Now all we need is to put some LEDs in their soles.
Hey don't mock the Scopedog man!
youtube.com/watch?v=Efr-ZWNr4d4

I can tell you this N.D.

Centurions would've made sense if they were an upgrade for Assault and Devastator Marines instead of their own units. That's one.

Two, they would've been much more efficient if they had certain differences to them in function apart of having different loadouts (like Assault Centurions not having Slow and Purposeful, but cannot Sweeping Advance, while Devastator Centurions should have all their current weapons along with all other Devastator guns).

This way they'd make sense.

Now I want a VOTOMS/Heavy Gear inspired IG Regiment.

Technically fluffwise they're used by Devastator and Assault marines from the reserve companies.

From the vehicle company, as I recall.

They treat using those suits as something akin to driving a rhino or land raider.

And for me it's not a good thing.

What if Space Marines would need Centurions but there are no reserve companies around?

At least each of the mainline companies should have at least one or two squads of both Assault and Devastator Marines that know how to use the suits.

Hell, a lot of Space Marine fluff should be rewritten to show the whole super-soldier thing more prominently in how much of a jack-of-all they are.

Hell, the Alpha Legion did it perfectly with being extremely versatile, while the Iron Snakes are perfect at this since they have 10 companies that include an equal number of veterans, regulars and initiates with each squad having their own specialists.

Because the Dark Angels are Space Knights.

DEUS VULT

That picture is another possible non-redundant use of them, as Sisters Terminators.

Battle companies usually have components of the various support companies attached to them as augmentees. Remember, only battle companies can operate independently of the others and the support companies themselves rarely operate as a whole.

Oh. Must've forgotten that part.

>Now I want a VOTOMS/Heavy Gear inspired IG Regiment

Farsight Enclave all Crisis suits just model them as Heavy Gears with IG pilots. Moisture ensues.

>all autocannon sentinel army

Noone, noone post this? Shame, tg.

Assault Centurions should also have gotten (non-powered) chain fists instead of that stupid augur.

More people need to meet the chain fist

This, basically.

>Centurions would've made sense if they were an upgrade for Assault and Devastator Marines instead of their own units. That's one.
EXACTLY!
Hell this is why I'm thinking there should be a "Tactical" version as well; Sure it's a poor man's Terminator that can't Deep Strike, Dakka like a Dev Cent, or RIP AND TEAR like an Assault Cent, but it IS a nice slab of armor to put in front of foot-sloggers that can both shoot AND Melee.

>Two, they would've been much more efficient if they had certain differences to them in function apart of having different loadouts (like Assault Centurions not having Slow and Purposeful, but cannot Sweeping Advance, while Devastator Centurions should have all their current weapons along with all other Devastator guns).
God, they put Slow and Purposeful on a unit armed with flamethrowers and SIEGE DRILLS?!
If it was a true tank, sure, but they're going to get shot to hell before they get out of the Deployment Zone, so they're not even a good Distraction Carnifex!
Hence giving them freaking Mecha Skates like so: youtube.com/watch?v=-YfYIf4HsTo
Dev Cents are the inverse; They can make use of Slow and Purposeful and other shooting enhancement rules that sacrifice their mobility because you want them weak against charging melee.

>Now I want a VOTOMS/Heavy Gear inspired IG Regiment.
>>all autocannon sentinel army
The only physical army I'd ever be tempted to do is a pure Sentinel based one...

>That picture is another possible non-redundant use of them, as Sisters Terminators.
That's exactly why I used it, as the Sisters would be yet another faction that benefits from such a unit, though it might clash with the Penitent Engine.
It's a "Poor man's Terminator," meaning non-Marine factions could also make use of it, though considering how Centurion Armor works, such a modified design would probably be operated more like a mini-Mecha than a suit of Powered Armor.

I prefer this one, though I wish i had painted picture of it