Next Imperial Armour is Tau vs. Mechanicus

Next Imperial Armour is Tau vs. Mechanicus

What do you expect?

>Imperium vs. xenos in Imperial Armour
>Tau
Imperium loses.

Tau to finally encounter some of the pinnacle weapons of human technology and freak out a little that humans have that kind of stuff.

That art reminds me a lot of Battletech

I'm not sure how I feel about that

>Imperium loses.
I'm sure OP was looking for something more predictive in nature, rather than a statement of fact.

Taghmata 40k list, obviously.
And Thanatar kicking Riptides in the crotch.

Allegedly they are making new Tau models for it that we haven't seen. They won't be super heavy flyers or fast attack. This was at one of the big events a few months back when a rep was questioned.

Definitely one or two new models with a possibility of more. These models are supposed to be released this year, but 8th may have affected their plans.

I think there is only one more really big event coming this year where FW will show stuff off.

More enormously fuckhuge Tau suit that defy the originaly intent of them being a combined arms force with fancy jetpack infantry supported by tanks and helicarriers.

Fluff wise, Tau unleashes some new developments, Mechanicus pulls some crazy archeotech out of its ass/storage and gets a Pyrrhic victory, tau learn to be more cautious.

or, Mechanicus launches overconfident attack on tau, get destroyed by new tau battle suits

>or, Mechanicus launches overconfident attack on tau, get destroyed by new tau battle suits
It's this, unless the Imperium manages its first win over Xenos in the history of Imperial Armour. I doubt it though since it's the Tau.

>freak out a little that humans have that kind of stuff
More like just create an anti-titan titan like they've already done. Really, the Tau look at these huge impractical machines and their biggest thought is "why would anyone waste their resources this way?"

the main problem with that is it's been overdone quite a bit. I feel like Tau are at the stage where an overconfident attack of a forge world or something makes sense.

>"waste their resource"
>on things that can get shit done
>make one anyway

Bunch of hypocrites, those bluies...

>implying Tau didn't go full retard with issuing crackpot weapons design post Damocles instead of actually using logic
Riptides, Stormsurges, and Taunar would like a word.

I wish imperial armour wasn't so predictable

I do as well but at least it reads like a war front account instead of "Hero A battles Hero B, then Hero C shows up all according to Hero D's plans and then they all duke it out in a battle royale. Oh also they brought armies that I guess are fighting in the background."

I'll take IA over any of the campaign books that GW proper has been shitting out for the past five years.

>or, Mechanicus launches overconfident attack on tau, get destroyed by new tau battle suits

Unlikely, is their Forge World that was under attack here.

And with the 4th expansion's blunder, this campaign is maybe a tale about one of those failures.

Nah, The Tau have shown pretty handily why a Titan is dumb.

Everything a Titan can do, you can do with a couple of Riptides, and the Riptides are more mobile, easier to transport and maintain, and cheaper to make.

If the Imperium fields a Titan, you just shit missiles at it until it goes away.

They build big robots, but nothing Titan sized because they don't need anything like that. Titans were always kind of indulgent anyway. Realistically speaking, how many things NEED a Volcano cannon to kill that you couldn't just blast with a spaceship from orbit anyway?

Don't tell me you don't have a spaceship. How the fuck did the Titan get there otherwise?

I could see the Tau losing this time, but it getting blamed on the fact that setting fire to a whole sector of space cut off their resupply. So they start off winning, suddenly are on their own, and the AdMech mops them up.

The Tau can lose fights, they just can't afford to lose fights on their own turf.

>tfw Tau down a few cybernetica and thallax
>tfw they decide to be nice guys to the 'pilots' and start to pry them out to bring them the Greater Good
>tfw they find out there's no pilot other than a brain in a jar, or a horribly mutilated human
Is anyone else hoping that massive amounts of Tau get fucked up with PTSD from this war?

If you think about it, Titans are the most practical platform for spaceship sized weapons and shield generators. As for what you need them for, its easier to hit targets from the ground, protected by shields and supporting forces then it is to pull a ship into orbit in potentially hostile space, against targets that, if they are important enough to warrant titan sized pounding, are usually defended by anti ship weapons and shields.

They're also intimidating as hell, and a relic from the days when building a skyscraper sized weapons platform was moderately expensive PR move.

Missiles can work on smaller titans but it takes a shit load to do anything. Battle titans like a warlord are virtually immune short of the big missiles on a stormsurge. You also have to get pathfinder teams close enough to mark them (which is knife fight distance for an engine war).
Rail guns are more effective but require direct LoS which puts you at serious risk from main weapons. That's why they devolved the Ax10 Tigershark. They needed a highly mobile long range option that the titan couldn't effortlessly swat away and they needed multiple of them to bring a titan down.

Doctrine wise titans are super massive weapons support when used in combined arms. Orbital fire, while devastating, is very VERY inaccurate and not conducive to most engagements either due to risk to your own forces or due to enemy anti-orbital systems. These can comprise of ground based systems such as laser defense batteries, anti-ship missiles, and void capable strike craft that are usually buried in mountains or shielded by massive void shield arrays that make them very difficult to take out from orbit without putting your own vessel in extreme danger. You must also contend with the ongoing space battle unless you have already obtained superiority and fighting other starships in low orbit is a hellish endeavor. Titans allow immense firepower to be directed where needed without waiting hours or days for a ship to get into a position where it may or may not be able to provide support depending on circumstances. Regular artillery, while reliable and cheaper, may take months of bombardment on heavy defenses to breach as almost all human-built fortifications are obsurdly resilient (Siege of Vraks was estimated to last seven years for example).

>a relic from the days when building a skyscraper sized weapons platform was moderately expensive PR move.

You mean mass produced, expendable T1 shit.

Once upon a time that would have been true, until GW borked the idea by making tau titans.

Tau to get fucked up the butt and Mechanics to steal all their tech, only to be corrupted by Chaos and for Chaos to show up at the end with fancy new Daemon Engines.

Did you not see OP's pic? They built their own Titan-sized armor.

>You're in the forgeworld and this xeno slaps your warhounds ass, what do?

>What do you expect?

The book not to be released until 2035, and that's optimistic.

That's Knight-sized.

No, it's not. My Taunar towers over my Cerastus knights. The thing is as big as a Warhound.

The plan was initially, "Tau invade Forge World, conquer the surface easily, the Mechanicum digs out old Age of Darkness robutts since 90% of the forge world is underground, and the surface becomes a clusterfuck."

That sounds like a Tau loss, given that the amount of shit a forgeworld has buried could probably outlast a good chunk of the tau empire.

Lol no. It's taller than the largest FW knight.

>Missiles can work on smaller titans but it takes a shit load to do anything.
It's good that Tau have special destroyer who can enter into planet's atmosphere

Have the mechanicum art instead

>Tau have to fight underground through tunnels
>Limited mobility and range
>Admech us ambushes and sheild generators to get into cqc

>could probably outlast a good chunk of the tau empire.
Kek. There's no way you've read Tau fluff and believe this. The Tau have way too much plot armor.

yeah I'm of course talking before plot armour takes effect, the Mechanicus leader lets Daemons infect his Titans and Tau commander Brightflame Starlance penetrates the Mechanicus command and turns their robots against them.

>Titans are the most practical platform for spaceship sized weapons and shield generators

Aside from say, a tank or a bunker.

Tell me why the Tau couldn't just make a larger hammerhead to stick those superheavy railguns on?

>People complain that Imperium always wins in the codexes
>People complain that Imperium never wins in IA

What's the model on the far left leading the vanguard?

Because super large robots sell and it's all about the money.

I liked Tau for being the sensible combined arms faction with its superheavy being the manta rather than titans. But lol no giant robots.

But I don't even play the tabletop so who cares.

Then you are still dealing with the afformentioned issues with orbital bombardment. Also all escort class starships can enter atmosphere, this isn't special.

A cybernetica datasmith

It's what they should have done but tau weebs want gundams not practical solutions.

>Aside from say, a tank or a bunker.

A tank mounting all the weapons a titan has would be way slower than a titan, as a bunker would. When you get to that size going up and giving them legs is better then going across and giving them wheels (probably, I'm not an expert on giant robots or city block sized tanks).

>Tell me why the Tau couldn't just make a larger hammerhead to stick those superheavy railguns on?

I don't know because they don't have eons old traditions and equipment from a time when the heaviest titans were common sights?

>A bunker would be slower than a titan

How perceptive of you.

Tau also have grav tanks though, and thus far all of their superheavies are primarily designed for anchored defenses anyway, since that's where they need the biggest guns.

You also don't need the tank to have all the weapons a titan does. In the Tau's case, you just need the tank to have the weapons to kill enemy titans. Because that's the only justification they've given to Tau having titans, is that they needed a titan-killer for when their titan-killing aircraft wasn't an option.

But no, putting those guns on a skyscraper makes more sense than putting them in a bunker or on some sort of hover-battleship

I'd love to be able to use a Triaros or Myrmidons in 40k.

The fun part is that the reasons are mostly the same.

If Nids/Orks/Chaos just won over the imperium, the imperium would die, and the setting would be over. Can't have that.

So against a lesser foe that can't gain the same kind of momentum the big 3 threats have, it is fine to lose a few wars, because they just dont lose enough to be a major turning point for the imperium.

Tau has pretty much the same deal in most cases.

>greentexting the part of my post that was clearly a joke

Your whole post makes sense in a vacuum where titans and anti titans are always just going against each other. But titans are a way for the biggest guns to be transported between battlefields under their own power with their own defenses, against opponents that don't necessarily have anti titan weapons, that look so intimidating that planets often surrender (because skyscraper sized robots). and yeah, legs are less mobile then hovertech, but maybe the guys that first designed them decided that legs were good enough to transport the spaceship guns and void shields they carry around, with the added benefit of making it look very scary.

But, as far as I'm aware the introduction of tank destroyers didn't make tanks obsolete, and having weapons able to counter titans isn't exclusive to tau, yet we still see imperial titans being deployed against just about every faction. Remember, combined arms are a thing that exist even in 40k, these titans aren't just walking at the tau by themselves.

>t. Gue'vesa Shas'Saa


Pretty sure a few Warlord Titans could rek that little "empire" the blueberries have.

Wathever happens...I'm sure there will be plenty of "cultural exchange".

This is why I hate how GW is obsessed with giving the Tau bigger and bigger battlesuits. The main reason why the Tau used to use a Manta instead of an actual Titan is because it makes more sense in almost every way.

but it doesn't sell

Of course it doesn't. This piece of plastic is the most expensive thing GW had ever created at the time of its introduction. I don't know if they have made even more expensive Titans, but seriously, you could buy a car for the same price.

I think the warlord beat the manta.

It's cool in terms of interior detailing, with battlesuits ready to jump out the back and all that. But it has the same issue a lot fliers that size have, how do you base it, or even play with it?

The big walkers can at least stand on their own.

Havent we already got that in the one lore bit where they open up Imperium missiles to see how they work and find a mummified servitor that is hooked into the guidance systems?

Yep in Damocles 1 story.

We know for a fact that SM use favored old servants to put their brains as missile guidance for their anti Air tanks. There's a very short fluffbit aboit that in the tank datasheet.

Is the imperium finally going to start reverse engineering alien tech and showing the xenos who's the real boss of this galactic gym?

No, that is totally inhouse admech invented technology!

A lot of Tau tech is reverse engineered from Imperial tech which makes it doubly retarded. Or hilarious.

>A lot of Tau tech is reverse engineered from Imperial tech


Proofs?

Originally in the first Tau codex, the Tau found Imperial Navy wreckage on their moon. That's how they received their first primitive warp drive.

>What do you expect?

Battlefleet Gothic Armada, pg. 96

Tau reverse-engineer a warp drive crashed on one of their moons to develop their current warp-less FTL.

>Conquer the surface easily

I never quite got this, even if Forgeworlds aren't exactly war-worlds, there's just too much stuff on them for the Tau with their small numbers to actually conquer, they're going to have to deal with a labyrinthine network of forges, manufactorii, data-lathes and archaeonetworks, from which any number of cyborg horrors can appear because some Techpriest cabal retreated a kilometer underground and converted a fuckload of civilians into Servitors.

Unless the Tau actually bring a really large fleet, I'm just not seeing it.

>they're going to have to deal with a labyrinthine network of forges, manufactorii, data-lathes and archaeonetworks
Cyraxus is a subterranean Forge World. All that stuff is beneath the surface.

Ah, that makes this make a lot more sense then if the surface is almost all just wasteland. Tau "conquered" it by landing and laying siege to the few aboveground ports and stuff, but probably still don't have anything of much importance.

But mostly I agree with especially since all Mechanicus labourers and such have electoos that can convert them into fearless cannon fodder at will, so all of the several billion inhabitants are enemy combatants.

Also, Ordinatii. The Tau have basically nothing that can match a Minoris short of about five Tau'nars or orbital bombardment, the one time we've seen them in action they tore through literally thousands of infantry, whole battalions of Superheavy Tanks and everything in between, and that was just three of them.
Also the machine spirit of the things was strong enough to mindrape to death seven Techmarines when they were trying to hijack them.

WTF is that? Tau Space Marine? I heard about bullshit like that, but thought it was rubbisch.

>since all Mechanicus labourers and such have electoos that can convert them into fearless cannon fodder at will, so all of the several billion inhabitants are enemy combatants.
Is there any forge world that doesn't treat it's civilian population like utter shit?

Its fan art you dummy. There are no Tau space marines yet.

I believe it's stated that for the most part living on a forge world is pretty similar to living on any hive planet. (so pretty shitty) Things aren't going to be great for you unless you make it into the priesthood.

Probably not, the flesh is weak and worthless, only the brains of the enlightened have any place in the Omnissiah's works, and most are too base of intellect to become enlightened. Many might believe that by cybernetically controlling their population they might redeem their worthlessness as tools in the Machine God's work.

The Mechanicus, despite their ritualism and spiritualism, have traded quite a bit of their humanity for their knowledge and implants, emotion, compassion and morality has degraded or remoulded itself around the Quest for Knowledge, death and suffering is inconsequential.

GIVE ME MORE FUCKING LEGIO CYBERNETICA SHIT I LOVE THE STUFF FW HAS OUT ALREADY AND WANT MORE

Cawl is a hack thief passing off foul Xenotech as glorious relics from humanity's past. He's the worst kind of Heretek there is.

>doesn't want titanic mechs battling in a galactic-conflict, each featuring different states of advanced and ancient technology

What are you, gay?

Prove it, faggot. Cawl's work has the blessing of the God-Emperor's son.

Cawl was unsupervised for 8000 years, who knows what kind of heresies his warped little Mechanicum mind wrought during all that time without the light of Guilliman to keep him in check. The one thing I hate more than heretics are fucking AdMech sympathisers. If Mars is so fucking great then why don't you go fucking live there, posthuman scum?

Hahahahaha, Dark Mech best Mech, and Cawl has made Astartes almost obsolete. He's just one Archmagos in tens of thousands, so suck it, little boy blue.

Fucking HERETEKS KILL THEM ALL hurry up and give us Dark Mechanicus already GW

Dark Mechanicum is coming out in Forge World's HH8 Angelus for modded 7E only.

Any ship entering atmosphere is also field day for orbital defense guns. There are smarter ways to die.

>Orbital fire, while devastating, is very VERY inaccurate and not conducive to most engagements either due to risk to your own forces or due to enemy anti-orbital systems

That sounds more like a problem with the IoM having really shitty targetting systems than anything else.

With the magic of markerlights, the Tau never have to build a Titan.

Depends on the world. However Forgeworlds offer education and feeding everyone. In that regard they are a lot better than most hive worlds.

>However Forgeworlds offer education and feeding everyone.
No.

Because it works inuniverse.

Forgeworlds exhaust and deplete the population endlessly. If you are not a Magos expect to spend every 22 out of 24 Terran cycles endlessly working at your station until you die and are turned into a servitor.

Even space marines have TWO kinds of space marine space marines. Everyone gets a space marine

...

Based Cawl

inb4 forgeworld goes full retard and creates an emperor class titan sized tau battlesuit

PLEASE for the love of god bring the Orca back

Stop revealing company secrets and buy minis with strange rules at very high prices.
t. FW

Legio Cybernetica coming back with a bang.

Also the Castellan Battle Automatas, Cathapracts. Domitars, Thanatars and more awakening in order to rip and tear blueberries and their fancy suits.

The last of those bots also steaming the Tau with its Plasma Mortar.

This. Tau tied the first Damocles, then won Kauyon, then fucking won Mont'Ka (but the planet burned), while the Mechanicum was the only human faction to make something out of the conflict, and they were the ones who set fire to the whole thing.
THEY HAVE TO LOSE AT SOME POINT
>"Hero A battles Hero B, then Hero C shows up all according to Hero D's plans and then they all duke it out in a battle royale. Oh also they brought armies that I guess are fighting in the background."
Kek, this sounds like Mont'Ka.

Top kek as they say!
Grorius T'au uber suit shall utterly destroy pathetic humans yet again.

>Titans are the most practical platform for spaceship sized weapons and shield generators.
Fucking kek. Of course not you dummy.

>bolo
Might as well post Goku or some other animu power level shit.

Both will get transports.

HOLY FUCK I WANT THAT BOOK NOW. GIMME COOL MECHANICUM ART.

cool robots lmao