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First for orks still suck sad, green is pain

Is this the worst official SM paint scheme that isn't a 30 year old meme from Rogue Trader?

>Emperor's Shields
more like the emperor's jesters

Why are autocannons so best?

Who's tougher? Plague marine or Rubric marine vs one wound stuff?

Also if you're hit by a d3 damage, you don't get the +1 right? As you resolve saves before damage even if later it does 1 damage?

How do I get a looted Knight?

Are they? What makes them good?

Yes.

I don't have the rulebook and am trying to make a list, how does power translate to points?

...

How are Mutilators now?

what legs are these?

nth for Tau WAACfags BTFO

>exposed missiles everywhere for no reason

One powerlevel is about 20-25 points.

Why did they fuck psyker heavy armies? Why does GW hate variety?

48" range, 2d3 shots, S7, AP-1, d3 damage

This is a good thread, don't bring that ilk in here to trash up the place.

>grey knight librarians can't take grey knight gear

Are you okay

Do you have brain damage

Best nid HQ?

OOE or Swarmlord?

r8 my leman russ tank names pls

some of them probably arent fitting for a lemon so I need help whittling them down

>bonus points for working out the type of lemon the name belongs to

Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.

Names:

A Moments Penance
Pride of Mancora
Oathsworn Chaperone
Last Judgement
Bittersweet Baroness
Pride Before Fall
Bondsman of Dennar
Emperor’s Gauntlet
Paragon’s Folly
Honour’s Bounty
Gertrude
Insult and Injury
Bane of Cowards
Mancorian Jester
Stalwart Dawn
Two Drink Minimum
Dagger in the Eye
Wrenched Wench
Belay That Order
Bulwark of Intent
Staunch Refusal
Barking up the Wrong Barrel
Backhander
Full Fathom Five
Better than Valour
Scythe of Damnation
Old Man of Mancora
Ready or Not
Clobbered Renegade
Villein’s Vice
Bush Beater
Traitor’s Remorse
In Ceramite Clad
Three-Inch Fool
Despair’s Visage
Lady’s Protest
The Big Fella
Heretic’s Doubt
Harbinger of Piety
On Bended Knee
Lawbringer

To be fair, they promised you can field anything you want. You can't field 3 Riptides now and not expect to lose.

>It's a slap in the face to all players with 3 or more Riptides to nerf them so hard.

Fucking disgusting Tau players. What else is new?

The more I read the army lists and point costs the more confused I get, and more convinced that they are filled with mistakes I get.

Typhus costs 164 points including wargear.
Lord of Contagion costs 185 points including wargear.

This is despite the fact that Typhus is the same or markedly better in every single way (ie, same stats, better weapons, an extra aura, is a psyker!!), there are no areas where he is worse as far as I can see. And this is just one thing, there are plenty others similar.

It really concerns me that the points costing is so broken, because that means the balance of the game will be broken. Am I missing something? I feel like I must be.

>pt. 2

Judge and Jury
Above Reproach
Sow of Discontent
Fealty’s Reward
This End Up
Graceless Fiend
Kraken Cracker
Baron of Mancora
Griffon’s Aerie
Where Griffons Dare
Thou Doth Protest
Saint & Sinner
Rough and Ready
Bunch-Backed Grox
Mercy Denied
Imperator’s Impasse
Wyrm-tongue
Mancorian Kiss
Humble Pie
Taste of Reckoning
Just Desserts
Plasteel Lining
Ardent Prayer
Sanctified Fool
Say My Name
Dogged Squire
Ever Faithful
Two Birds One Tank
Flower of Defiance
Steel Thunder
Ogryn’s Kiss
Lance Held High
Offense Taken
Tyrant Fodder
Purest Purpose
Point of No Return
Never Say Martyr
Beyond Gallantry
Warden of Dennan
Heart of Dennan
Last Greased Gasp
Dennan Stout
Two For Flinching
Shield of Dennan
Erred Errant
Ride Unto Ruin
Light of Dawn
Gratified Resolve
Long Time Coming
Hand In the Cookie Jar
Cawl’s Crackpipe

Pre-6th Minotaurs scheme.

>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides

I mean, they're kinda right that it's been chunked down to the point of not really being worth taking at all.

Nerfing something to the point where it's stupid to spam it is good, nerfing it to the point where it's pointless is p bad game design.

Don't play Matched

Oh, I thought you meant regular Autocannons
Yeah the Predator one is pretty great

Plague most likely.
>Depends on AP and if cover is a factor, and the Strength of the gun.

Can Plagues use their "FNP" vs Mortal Wounds?

Nurgle Daemons can in AoS

I think they can

I swear to god, I read through the entry like 5 times before and never noticed that line
My bad, you're right

>only two dakkas and one choppy bit
Yu's muckin about.

Yes.

Then Plagues hand down as their FNP is better than an invulnerable save as Mortal Wounds can't ignore it.

Look like Fire Warrior legs with human feet.

How many fucking tanks are you fielding?

Wonderin' dat meself.

We don't have allied detachments anymore. What do?

>It's a slap in the face to all the players with 3 or more Riptides
Too bad it wasn't a boot in the ass

I mean you can but it would have to be in a high point game and they sure as hell wouldn't do the work they used to.

I'm this user.
Here's a sergeant I finished recently. I'm happy with how he came out, except for the face.

Are Tau still forbidden from using their own squad's markerlights? there's no information on the section whereas it was there in previous editions.

Also, are Coldstars viable now? Movement seems to be massive and being locked into the BRRRRT cannon isn't as bad due to having even more shots now.

Thanks but is there a definitive answer for posterity sake?

>Most of them are loosely themed around a guard regiment working alongside the Howling Griffons.

The "one faction" rule is only for matched, narrative and open lets you do whatever

Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do

Yeah the index point costs are a mess. I'd assume when the first balance wave hits the point costs start to make sense again.

That is the definitive answer you stupid fuck

...I got a little carried away this afternoon.

I have 10-15 lemons and a few chimeras plus a Knight and maybe a Baneblade.

Cruddace pls no

Im so glad I only ever bought 2 of them.

It's much less effective than an invuln against multi-damage weapons though.

Click the first link in the OP and get the rules.

How much is a Tychus model? I'll bet that GW is in it for the $$$.

No. There is no direct powerlevel to points conversion, they are calculated in different ways.

No user, Crud plays 2 armies Guard and Howling Griffons, you are the Cruddance

What a time to be alive.

not enough.

>Still 7 layers of bullshit that Tyranids get Leman Russes before Chaos and Orks do

Chaos should've got the same clause GSC got.

Orks should have gotten, any AM vehicles can replace Imperium tag with ORK, and and reduce BS to 5+

>tfw stop by my local GW store Tuesday
>have a great time chatting with my fellow fa/tg/entlemen
>Subject of 8th comes up, redshirt talking about how some people are salty online
>we all chuckle about it, though noone says out loud that its the Taufags
>conversation moves on with me mentioning that the new dread skipped leg day
Love my local community, gonna stop by tomorrow for the big day.

We're gonna need a re-stat for 8th.

No, Power doesn't include Wargear, so converting points to power is hopeless

If someone started Death Guard due to the starting edition, would you look down on them?

You don't "Use" markerlights anymore, you just get an effect when targeting that unit relative to how many markerlight hits you have on it. The assumption is that everyone can use them

So far it seems like they can use their own markerlights now. It's pretty essential thing for sky ray whose whole point is to be able to fire its own missiles independently. With new point costs crisis suits got hit hard and point-for-point commanders trump them hard.

>expecting top 3 NOVA armies to stay at the same level in power rankings
These are bandwagoners obviously and have no clue how edition changes work nowadays

Can you explain how?

Isn't the options:
Plague: Take Armour Save, if failed take FNP
Rubric: Take 5++

The opposite!
They're really cool models and more Chaos players are always welcome


Can't say the same for Primaris players though

They still have decent weapons on a tough to kill platform. Try finding stronger (more armor, wounds, rending weapons) units at the same price point.

>it was me all along

oh no

Take armour save, roll damage, roll FNP for each damage

Coming Soon: Space Marine Repulsor :
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Is that the new primaris transport?
It will, in any case, struggle to turn with those big reactor and tiny skies in the front

Traitors arr rook arike to me.

Then why the fuck does the list builder even exist when it uses power level?

5++ is better against shit like autocannons, lascannons and so on.

No, bugger off and get your own units. GSC an get more civilian funky conversions and Orks can get more KND level of scrap technology.

Sick of every other army having a way of stapling IG units to theirs with no downside, they even count as their faction when GSC do it in 8th.

Gimme my Imperial Genestealers you cunts.

You're fucking retarded, user. I swear you are

You can switch to points with the click of a button right above Army Book

But the Invulnerable is All Or Nothing?
You either save and take no damage or Fail and take (say) 6 Wounds

It floats, whatcha want?

Power is for easy army comparison, the one with less Power starts first and you get a free re-roll for each 10 Power below your opponent's

Points are still for determining match sizes, same as before

>In this user's Headcanon: Guardsmen can't fall to Chaos, the Post

with that paintjob, more like harakoni shithawks

>Eldar broken for 5 editions
>no nerf
>Tau broken for one edition
>nerfed into unplayable

T4 2+ 5++
T5 3+ 5+FNP
Hit by a multilaser: (2/3)*(1/6)=0.11vs (2/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.15
Hit by a heavy bolter:(2/3)*(1/3)=0.22 vs (1/2)*(1/2)*(2/3)=0.16
Hit by a bolter: (1/2)*(1/6)=0.08 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=0.07
Hit by a lasgun: (1/3)*(1/6)=0.06 vs (1/3)*(1/3)*(2/3)=)0.07

There's not really a clear winner, plagues do better against bolters and heavy bolters whilst 1kson do better against lasguns and multilasers.

But then how does the order of firing work? It's still a Heavy 1 weapon so it must be fired, I assume, at the same time as every other unit in the squad. This means you can't fire markerlights, get the counters and then apply the buffs to the rest of the squad.

Indeed, but stuff like melted can't reduce it. So plague marines are good vs mortal wounds, Rubrics vs heavy weapons and both pretty good vs small arms fire

Power level 14

S7 T8 W13 Sv3+
Turret - Heavy Lascannon, Heavy Stubber
*Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses

Hull-mounted Twin Lascannon, swivels up/down and left/right

Rotor cannon is a pintle mounted upgrade

Missiles: Roll a D6 at the start of each fight phase for each enemy unit within 1", on a 4+ it takes D3 mortal wounds (slightly better Frag Assault Launchers)

Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines

Decays its Movement/BS/Attacks as it loses wounds
Movement 10" BS 3+ Attacks 3 base

We heresy boys

This isn't halo, try again

Eldar being OP isn't a bug, it's a feature.

new marines
same proportions in relation to the enemies
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If you think that's bad, Chaos staples a shitton of Space Marine units to their with no downside either

Same reasoning

I'm doing it, sort of. I already have Nurgle Daemons, so I'm branching out to DG when they hit.

>SLAP IN DA FACE
Holy shit this brings me back to the old WoW days. What next - is someone gonna try to cast Bus Shock on GW?

Balance in 7th vs balance in 8th:
Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 17 points.

Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 27 points.

Relative point difference for the superior option: ~ 60 percent.

Eldar Jetbike with twin Shuriken Catapults? 30 points.

Eldar Jetbike with Shuriken Cannons? 32 points.

Relative price difference: ~7 percent.

Last I checked nobody was complaining about unupgraded Jetbikes, just ones that were all Scatter Lasers or Cannons.

>AM vehicles are the most common mass produced war machines in the imperium
>"Why does everyone have captured AM vehicles?"

Huh so it's more like a halfway point between a razorback and a land raider

14 power level is way less than a normal land raider

Post good Cadian proxies because cadians are ugly as fuck

Well yeah I've seen them in person next to a death guard from the box and a thousand son.

They seem to be fractionally taller than the new scale for marines, but only look outright fucking stupid next to shorter, older ones.

Tau's been broken for 6th and 7th.

When you fire with a unit you choose which weapons you fire first. In case of fire warrior squad with a squad leader that has light you shoot the markerlight first and if it hits you'll get the benefit for the pulse weapons.