How do I make a beast race without me looking like a furryfaggot?

How do I make a beast race without me looking like a furryfaggot?
I really fucking love putting Lizard and Bull dudes in my setting, but there's ALWAYS some faggot in my store who dismisses my games as furry ERP (it's always a different guy as well).

Have more races in your setting so the two furry races don't imediately stand out. your setting completely sounds like a furry setting, you furfaggot

make em ugly as hell or something idk what furries find attractive.

You are a furry, aren't you? You just want us to tell you how to trick people into joining your furry setting.

So different people at different times playing different settings you devised called you out for being a furry faggot?

You must be a furry faggot then. Stop putting furries in your settings, faggot.

Yeah, that's what I have. I'm tired of orcs, elves dwarfs and halflings so I've been making my own.
But it always fucking happens, even though there's 4-armed giants and brass automatons some greasy pudgy fuck comes in and tells me that it's a furry setting even though the beastmen are fucking anger fuelled maniacs and the lizards are slimy fucks from the desert who can barely think.

>that pic

Fucking Sleestacks

Also, they don't even really know anything about my setting when they start bitching about furries.
All they do is look at the race options and immediately dismiss it.

I think your problem might just be that you're using animal men that are based one specific animals instead of races that are inspired by or amalgamations of animal traits. People are calling you out for anthropomorphizing animals because that's exactly what you're doing.

It's also troubling that you mention that this has happened multiple times, and instead of pulling back and doing some self analysis you come to Veeky Forums and call them greasy, pudgy fucks. Assuming the races are fine, you must be doing something with your attitude or presentation that triggers their furry alarms.

The simplest option is probably to just not play with these people, and ignore what they have to say.

Ignore him.
>it's always a different guy as well
Ignore them.

Use rulebook of Ironclaw and try to excorsise them like if it was Bible

The only solution is to stop giving their opinions more attention than they deserve.

You've put the work in to make your animal-people detailed and interesting. If these individuals are either jaded or stupid enough not to at least hear you out, then it's their loss, and you should stop trying to cater to them. If you want to put work into getting them to shut up, you're better off compiling a list of beastmen commonly understood to be good rather than adjusting already fine races to please greasy douchebags.

Yeah it just pisses me off. I'm pretty fucking greasy and pudgy myself anyway.
I didn't make this thread to complain, I wanted genuine advice.
And they've already gone through various iterations as well because of this. They used to be more like Argonians, being able to function in a society etc. It was probably for the best anyway since both of them are
way more interesting now.

do the gay test were you watch gay porn with your friends after you've taken viagra but watch furrieshit instead. no erection=not a furrie= no reason to not have beastmen in your game.

I think it depends on the context, or the people.
IIRC minotaurs are playable in D&D4e (yeah yeah I know it's 4e) and all editions of Dragonlance and I don't recall people instantly calling anyone running those games a furry. Nor do people usually get too uppity about kobold PCs in my experience. So chances are that it's something besides that they're there, or you just keep running into asshats.

>People are calling you out for anthropomorphizing animals because that's exactly what you're doing.
Doing literally one of the oldest tropes in human imagination, how fucking awful.

>but there's ALWAYS some faggot in my store who dismisses my games as furry ERP (it's always a different guy as well)
Not sure if this is a sign your store is polluted with a cancerous numbers of memers who can't hide their powerlevels or if it's a sign more of the younger crowd is becoming this altogether, but regardless I'd honestly just find a different spot to play. Most people I game with have an offhand familiarity with "furries", but they never visit Veeky Forums or even reddit so they're not getting their panties in a twist whenever someone plays an anthro character. As long as the person playing the character in question isn't being That Guy, I'd rather have him in the group than the guy spouting memes all session.

At the end of the day, just do what you want. If you aren't making your settings magical realm aside from a few anthro characters, then it's their loss for sperging out about it. Anthropomorphic animals have been around in fiction and folklore a lot longer and will doubtlessly outlive some dumb Something Awful tradition. There's no reason why you have to limit yourself creatively because some other assholes don't know when to keep it on the internet.

maybe the beastfolk are all cursed people?

>Lizard dudes

WTF do furries even like lizards?

>Bulls:

Maybe some 40k Orc shit. They are completely asexual beings reproducing through other means. Or maybe they are created like Uruk Hai.

Oldfag reminder that hating on furries didn't come from some fundamental epiphany that anthropomorphic animals are satanic, but simply that furries (the subculture) are insufferable tremendous faggots, who had to be booed off of Veeky Forums just to stop of them from pelting moot with legal threats and Do Not Post lists (practically unenforcable, especially at the time.)

It practically became a meme to hate furries, and that united front of hatred was necessary to get them to fuck off.

But it was never really about "ew they have gross porn and you are gross for watching it" or "fuck Ducktales, Golden Compass and Mouseguard am i right!? How degenerate!"

Stop trying to fit in so hard. You make me want to vomit.

>>Lizard dudes

Sleestak.

Make them bestial (ugly as fuck) and not anthropomorphic in the least. Also give them inhuman characteristics and behaviour.

The problem is with the retard dismissing your setting because of aesthetics.

>WTF do furries even like lizards?
Oh you sweet, pure user.

do not go into kobold threads. Dark things are happening there.

>but there's ALWAYS some faggot in my store who dismisses my games as furry ERP

Do they play in your campaign? No?
Then their derision is like fart in the wind. If people who you actually play with like your setting and your lizarddudes or whatever this is what matters.

Jeez, user. Grow a thicker skin.

Pro-tip: you will never get faggots to stop being faggots.

If you put effort into your races and they aren't just furrybait, then you have nothing to worry about. You cannot convince other people to stop being retarded.

Alternatively, insist all Elf players are Elf fetishists, same for Dwarfs, Tieflings, etc., and see if they connect the dots.

1.try to adjust their form to make them non-sexual (move away from the human-adult bodyshape).
2.dont make them [animal]-folk, but try out a new blend.
3.Dont make them behave in a way a human would if they pretended to be an animal, or as if they actively bring out the animalistic traits they find within themselves.
4.make them mechanicly interesting (not really addressing your propblem, but you should do it anyway)


works for me every time.

I hate furry with a burning passion for this very reason. Years ago, I could have any fucking races in my setting, dog people, lizard people, bat people, and now even if you have a fucking gnoll in your setting you're gonna be called a furry.

Make them more offputtingly inhuman.

Bull dudes in particular would cause me to immediately call you a furfag if I was in your vicinity, because I cannot think of a way for them to not be sex objects. The animals themselves, are historically sex icons. It'll be hard to progress from here.

It's not even that hard to go far enough outside the box though. Consider a race of deer dudes who have antlers protruding from all over their body, creating a kind of bone cage that they live inside at all times, eating grass and the remains of whatever they can batter and ram to death. Suddenly they are weird and offputting enough to no longer be the immediate anthropomorphisation of their core animal, and thus a little too complicated to just be a sex object. I don't give the slightest fuck about how fancy the culture of your dog dick toting Gnolls are, it's the fact that they are just a dog head on a ripped and fucking sculpted man body, maybe some changed joint directions, that matters.

If Gnolls had dog heads for hands, I would assume there was more to them than your own sick fantasies.

Lizard races are pretty easy to make unique. "Lizard" is a broad category. There's all sorts of wild directions you could go. Maybe they get bigger with age and can spend smaller and smaller periods of their day away from the buoyancy of water. Maybe they have telecopic eyes, whatever.

Bull people are a bit harder because you picked a hella specific animal that is also pretty boring, and has a strong tradition of anthropomorphism and sexuality (literally all of a bulls distinguishing features as opposed to other cattle relate to sex) already. I spent a good 5 minutes trying to think of anything, but I am not convinced that you can think of a distinguishing bull feature that doesn't lead back to them being sex objects.

>move away from the human-adult bodyshape

Actually a pretty good start.

A deer on 4 legs with humanoid features would be horrifying but like, probably not furry at that point.

Couple of notes how to use beast races and avoiding furry territory.

> NO romantic interests and beast people don't talk about their wives or children. Just avoid that shit.
>Short descriptions of their physique. Lionman is huge. Snakeman is agile. That is it. We all have previous knowledge lodged in our mind how they look. Lionman doesn't have huge bulging biceps and Snakeman isn't lithe and slender. That is furry territory. Avoid it.
>avoid using animal noises in their speech. If they howl or growl you say they howl or growl. You don't try to produce those noises.
>If for some reason you need to use a cat beastman he must be male. Avoid Catgirls. Also you aren't to say meow or nyaa.
>Avoid animal mannerism like describing that their lick water, lick their fur, waggle their tail, scratch their ears with hind-legs and similar shit.

Everyone got different ideas about what a beast/furry character should be. Make what you want and quit letting the other nerds bully you.

Literally why do you even give a shit.

>not having proud lion kings
>not having cunning fox thieves
>not having badass bull barbarians who crush human pussy
>not having wild, untamed wolf rangers
>not having badger blacksmiths, forging great steel armor and weapons
>not having sleek otter pirates
>not having gentle sheep healers
>not having powerful owl wizards
>giving even a single shit

Does the thought of some fatass jerking off to these awesome character archetypes really gross you out so much you just can't even fathom having an instantly recognizable, insanely expressive animal-person-character? Do you have an idea how much more generic and sexualized an elf ranger girl or sorceress is compared to those?

And once again, why do you give even a single shit? "Furry" characters have never been a problem, they aren't bad, there is nothing wrong about sexualizing them or not. You sound like you're an immature 14 year old boy who just discovered Encylopedia Dramatica. Literally get over it.

>caring about what retards think

Minotaurs are in basically every generic fantasy universe and have been a general race as early as D&D2e. Are you calling any setting that uses one of the oldest monsters in pop culture furry?
I mean yeah the original myth is pretty...that but as long as that context is gone it should be fine as long as their pants stay on at all times.

I keep seeing this creature here.

Did Colette/2hu finally switched the object of his autistic obsession?

Feral Furry.
The only cure is to stop fucking caring about opinions of people you wouldn't want to play with anyway.

>Bull dudes in particular would cause me to immediately call you a furfag if I was in your vicinity, because I cannot think of a way for them to not be sex objects. The animals themselves, are historically sex icons. It'll be hard to progress from here.

M8.

m8.

Are you

Are you sure it's not just you?

>wow, you have wolverine-people in your setting? wow, you're such a furry
>fuck off you goddamn closet-furry. don't you have a fucking date with a noose? go home and fucking end it already.

Problem solved. Telling someone to go kill themselves in real life is double as effective as online, so that should work.

Make them chimeric and ugly in nature. Like, don't just make lizard guys, make them lizard crayfish guys with mantis shrimp natural weapons or something.

Lots of people call those options furry though. They just don't dismiss the entire setting, like lots of people like Dragonlance but not kenders.

In all honesty OP should just stop playing with faggots with no manners, this is always the first step. With this done, if he wants to play with the people who is calling his animal guys furry he should just convince them with other things of the setting and leave animal races for those who enjoy them. You're not gonna change people's tastes.

Make them unfuckable and non-sexualized for starters

The problem is that if you have General Autissimo in your group, he will halt the game because furry and object to the furry until you kick him, which you might not be able to do. So your only other option is to sterilize your setting so the social retard doesn't get upset.

Or expel General Autismo.

Why are they doing that Italian thing with their fingers?

That's even worse. That's admitting you think you made a furry race and that's wrong, so you're going out of your way to make them unappealing to compensate.

> which you might not be able to do
Maybe you're playing in General Autismo's house. Maybe the group doesn't care and would rather play without your race than without General Autismo. Maybe you have multiple Autismos and if you ban them there's not enough players left for the game to continue. Sometimes there are no good options.

As a longtime GM, compromises with autismos don't work. If it's not furries, they'll blow up over something else, and i value my time too much to tiptoe around easily agitated retards. I'll find another group, the one that doesn't fly into autistic rage about things like race variety.

Sleestak are insects, not lizards.

dont make them cute make them semi ugly or realistic to get the "real" animal look.

Do people really bend over backwards to appeal to the whims of retards? I'd rather put forth that effort to find better players by that point.

he's kinda right there tho

I'm not saying minotaurs aren't a thing, I'm saying minotaurs are a hella sexual thing, even in the original greek context bulls were a fucking fertility symbol. It started furry, it hasn't gotten not furry, and it never won't be furry.

I knew people would try and get at this but if you actually applied critical thought to the situation you would rapidly realise I am right and that a bull man has for literally thousands of years up until recently when people starting making PG rated derivatives of mythology been a fucking weird sexual thing relating to hypermasculinity.

By making them not sexual attractive or attracted to humans.

The lizards do not possess pronounced dimorphism beyond size and color variance. They lay eggs. They are alien to mammal thought processes

The bulls keep here's of heifers. They find human women unattractive due to their small size and strange udders with only two teats. Humans are flimsy and not at all good for breeding. The only bulls attracted to them are sexual deviants who like little girls.

Sort of like your wife's bull?

If people don't like it, then their loss, if they drop a game just because it might be Furry, God knows what else will trigger them and make them drop the game.

Just make fucking monstergirls if you don't wanna be a furry goddamn

I've been meaning to buy Armello for a while now. thanks for reminding me user.

I'm glad you understand that you have to completely deflect the topic, or pretend to be retarded to not understand my core premise, namely that there is no way to refer to half-bull half-human creatures in a way that couldn't reasonably be construed as carrying deviant sexual connotations. Or indeed, not even then, given your response.

You try to mock him, but the very fact that "bull" is the word chosen works in favour of his argument. Cucks won't call the other guy "dog", "bird" or whatever.

>so you're going out of your way

It doesn't really quantify as going your own way when you simply make an animal race look animalistis/realistic and thus unappealing

>inb4 bu-bu-but animals are appealing and sexy to me

you sick fuck I bet you're canadian as well

>The only bulls attracted to them are sexual deviants who like little girls.
Go on...

Are they in your game? No? Fuck 'em; they are just mad they didn't come up with it.

How dare you sir, implying that person could be canadian. I should report you to the authorities for such language.

>Have beastfolk in setting because I love them
>Play with dudes
>They call the furrycard
>Now I'm ashamed and insecure what kind of beastfolk I'm allowed to enjoy

First of all unstick your high-school freshman head from your middle school ass and get fucking clean about one thing, nigger:

Furries and Anthropomorph animals are in the same boat. If it's an Anthro, it's a Furry, and you may very well be labelled a Furfag for enjoying them. That's the consequence you'll have to live with. No matter how much people are going to try and give some arbitrary differentiation between "Those annoying special snowflake furfaggots!" and "those awesome brutal beastmonsterraces!", the overlap is great, big and strong, unlike your weak-ass psyche.

So just fucking do it, man. Have those Lizards and Bulls and fucking rainbow coloured Alicorn pony people in your setting. Don't give a fuck. The fuse of beast and human is as old as our fucking species, it's abso-fucking-lutely okay to enjoy wanting to play pretend as an eight feet tall slothman. Don't let those assholes tell you otherwise. There's nothing deplorable about that.

What IS deplorable is if you're trying your worst to force everyone in the group to like your six-inch ant person and compliment you for your originality. You're playing pretend as a human who suddenly grew mandibles and frills or some shit, calm your balls, man.

Now get out there and if they give you shit you just tell 'em to fuck off if they don't like it, YOUR setting has juicy thicc shortstack goatpeople in it and that's the end of it.

>and fucking rainbow coloured Alicorn pony people in your setting
Alicorn PCs aren't allowed in ToE

>juicy thicc shortstack goatpeople in it
Ill take ten please.

And since we're all talking about anthro races, what do you all think of substituting horse people for minotaur civilization. Basically keeping the greek style and mediterranean based culture of most minotaur versions, but swapping in horses instead. Say they were created when the sea mated with the king or great spirit of horses, basically doing a rule 63 of poseidon and his love of horse shaped goddesses.

They'd be an old race, on the decline. Once having fought against the notAtlantis empire, and having sheltered some of its refugees when it blew up.

I got the idea after hearing and seeing a greek fisherman's dance after reading about Poseidon's love of mare. The image of almost 8 foot tall horse people wearing these silly outfits and singing greek tickled my fancy.

As a furry, I will say very clearly that this will not work. The secret to "non-furry" animal people is to not fucking think about the "furriness" when you make them.

If you say make everything explicitly as non furry as possible, said rude dude in the shop will just call you out on it, and he'd be right.

Just make the setting as you damn well please and fill it with whatever races you find cool.

As for your request, here's some non-furry furry races that I've used on occasion.
>Horror movie Wolfman
>Mothman
>Illuminati Reptillian Overlords
>Planet of the Apes Simians
>Egyptian Jackal Men

With this distinct Poseidon spin, I think there's a lot of potential for this race, possibly with a Khajiit style of morphisms where Centaurs are a distinct cousin or somesuch.

Personally I do prefer the Minotaur spin because of various historical references you can push in there.

Anyway go for it my Capribro, get your equine party going.

Ohh, centaurs being partially related. What about them being a horrific experiment by notAtlantis, creating a breed of horse warriors to fight against the Equicephs (taking a name from D&D for a horse race as a placeholder for now). Using them as a mocking abomination. Then the centaurs went wild after the ancient cataclysm, and settled into basic hunter gatherer nomads.

Equicephs could dislike them on an almost instinctual level, which would provide great roleplay for anytime a party with one has to travel through centaur territory.

Just use traditional AD&D minotaurs instead of your bull people next time.

>Minotaurs are either cursed humans or the offspring of minotaurs and humans. They usually dwell in underground labyrinths, for they are not confused in these places, which gives them an advantage over their prey.

>Minotaurs are huge, well over 7 feet tall, and quite broad and muscular. They have the head of a bull but the body of a human male. Their fur is brown to black while their body coloring varies as would a normal human’s. Clothing is minimal, usually a loin cloth or skirt.

>Combat: Minotaurs are very strong (equivalent human Strength of 18). Against man-sized opponents (minimum 6 feet tall) they may butt for 2-8 points of damage. Against smaller opponents, they bite for 1-4 points of damage. If a minotaur is 30 feet or more from its opponent, it can lower its head and charge against any creature that is at least 6 feet tall. If successful, the charge causes double head-butt damage. In addition to these attacks, most minotaurs also carry weapons – a huge axe (treat as a halberd) or flail, with which it inflicts normal damage +2.

>Minotaurs are not particularly intelligent, but are extremely cunning and have excellent senses. They have a +2 bonus on their surprise rolls, have infravision, and can track prey by scent like a ranger, with 50% accuracy. They always pursue an unfamiliar scent. Minotaurs are immune to maze spells. They attack any intruder without fear, and will retreat only if the creature is obviously beyond their ability to defeat (+3 to morale score in combat).

>Habitat/Society: Minotaurs live in communities of up to eight members. If the community contains more than six minotaurs, one will be an elder minotaur with 18/50 Strength and 8+4 Hit Dice. The minotaur elder is the clan leader; he remains in the center of the labyrinth and raises young minotaurs while others hunt. He is always encountered in the center of a labyrinth.

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>A minotaur’s labyrinth is rarely natural. Often an evil wizard or a tyrant will construct a labyrinth and place the minotaur family there, feeding it prisoners and slaves on a regular basis.

>Occasionally this tyrant will be killed and the minotaurs forced to fend for themselves; since creatures rarely enter a labyrinth on their own accord, these minotaurs will usually be ravenously hungry.

>Minotaurs speak their own primitive language and are 25% likely to speak a halting form of common. They have little culture; their lives resemble animals more than humans. Their culture venerates physical strength above all else and particularly strong human fighters have been known to earn their respect. They worship crude gods and have weak clerics (maximum 3rd-level shaman). Rumors persist of more intelligent minotaurs with developed societies.

>Ecology: The curse which creates minotaurs is unknown, but sages suspect it involves “crimes against the natural order”. Minotaurs are always male. It is also said that the first minotaur was originally a great and ill-tempered human fighter; he wanted to be as strong as a bull and his wish was granted in the most hideous manner possible. Minotaurs breed with human females to produce offspring, which are male minotaurs. Minotaurs have a lifespan of 200 years. They can live without food for years at a time, but are always hungry unless they are fed regularly. They are meat-eaters, but their curse causes them to prefer a diet of human flesh. Those transformed into minotaurs by curses may be restored to human form by a wish, but those who were born as minotaurs cannot be made human. Gnolls are their natural enemies; they will kill each other on sight.

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I generally dislike the "Race is created from [XY] for purpose [YZ]" angle. In that regard your approach seems plausible.

I would rather go about the Centaurs being just an offshoot or different species to the Equicephs, much like Neanderthals to the Sapiens. Maybe spin it so that the Equicephs and the Centaurs, conceived in not!Poseidon's love, would be born unto the shores in the mist of crashing waves. The centaurs were driven away by the "pure" Equicephs, who viewed them unfit to walk the beaches and behold the beauty of the open waters, and exiled them further into the land. As such the Centaurs take rivers and lakes as sacred places, the few remaining opportunities they have to commune with their patron deity living in the water. The Equicephs would then go on to build a seafaring empire connecting archipelagial city states and their continental capitol together, until not!Atlantis raised their own armada and challenged them for naval supremacy. In an act of political intrigue did not!Atlantis provide weaponry and supplies to the Centaurs, who would go on to besiege and eventually take the continental capitol, making it their own, as well as re-establishing their connection to their patron deity.

Make them always evil.
Make them hideous and not that much antropomorphic, just vaguely humanoid.
Imply that they ARE effect of bestiality, and that's why fucking animals is wrong - it spawns hideous beasts that want to rip you apart.
See beastfolk races done right:
Gnolls, Warhammer's Beastmen, and Glorantha's Broos.

Make them like Warhammer beastmen.

Though if you have a That Girl, that will not dissuade her.

>How do I make a beast race without me looking like a furryfaggot?
>I really fucking love putting Lizard and Bull dudes in my setting, but there's ALWAYS some faggot in my store who dismisses my games as furry ERP (it's always a different guy as well).
I just tell them "No, I'm not a furry" and ignore them, but then again I'm a big boy.

This honestly just sounds like the furry version of overcompensating for being in the closet, like the people who become skinheads to hide that they're gay.

Give them alien mindsets, definitively inhuman physical and/or mental traits, and absolutely do not give them expressive faces. A lizardman's face should be as baffling to humans as his lizard cousins' faces are.

Sooo, why have them be beastfolk if you aren't going to even address their beast-like physiology and associated mannerisums? At that point you've just reskinned humans.
Genuinely curious why everyone is so scared of halving their beastfolk to "furry". As long as your intent isn't to make them over sexualized piles of yiffing and you don't allow players to turn them into that i don't really see the issue with beastfolk. So what if bob the furry gets a little excited when you describe the minotaur kool-aid manning through the wall with his imposing muscular body. If bob becomes a problem player because he can't keep his shit together, boot bob. Otherwise why are you tying yourself up in knots trying to avoid "the furry menace" so much.

don't.

it is a furry setting.

yeah it's there loss not playing with a furry faggot who never showers lmao

>it's old so it's okay!
fucking furry faggots

actually it's loss for being a furry you fucking faggot kill yourself

actually it's always been about furries being intrinsically worse human beings than all others, their porn is gross and you're gross for watching it, and all furry cartoons are degenerate

still furry

nah the problem is he's a fucking furry

their derision is correct, his games are furry ERP. society doesn't need to change, he does.

why would you want such terrible furry shit in your setting you fucking faggot

Holy fuck what are you doing, user

>the animals are sex icons
yeah because history was full of retarded furry faggots, what a surprise

the correct idea about furry characters is that they shouldn't fucking exist

>not only being a cancerous furry piece of shit, but also being such a boring, uncreative retard that you make all your characters stereotypes as well
hey while we're at it let's make all the white people eat plain mayo sandwiches and the black people eat watermelon ecks dee

still furry

Everything is furry. There is no escape.

still furry

still furry

bulls don't have any deviant sexual connotations if you're not a fucking furry, faggot.

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