Anyone read this? It sounds like there's some new lore shit that might be worth reading it for...

>Guilliman finds the Ecclesiarchy to be troublesome. Not because of their belief in Emps as a God, he finds that annoying but not dealbreaking, but because the leaders are either pompous dicks living in lavish palaces or fanatics who cant be in his presence without masturbating to completion
>But they're necessary if he plans to bring the Imperium back from the brink, so he appoints a Militant Priest representative guy to act as a link between him and them
>Space Wolves have an official successor now, Wolfsbane or something like that, they're mentioned in a single sentence in the middle of the book. They're a primaris chapter
>Geneseed for primaris marines is stable as fuck, no sign of serious mutations according to Cawl
>Cawl also wants to use traitor geneseed to make more Primaris marines. Guilliman refuses.
>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.
>Custodes have gotten off their asses and stopped mourning but now they've gone too far the opposite way and are now full of rage over how much the Imperium suffered due to them sitting around crying
>Emperor can talk telepathically. He talked to Guilliman. Their conversation is why Guilliman's view of the Emperor has changed. Big E is a dick even after 10k years.

This is all out of order btw. Just posting shit off the top of my head as I remember it.

Fuck you mate. Read the damn lore instead of just partoting memes, the admech are doing the best they can in a mad unI verse and the imperium would be long gone if it wasn't for them.

No they really are full of crap. If they just copied Tau tech and gave every guard regiment cheap plasma guns and railguns everything would be fine and dandy right now.

Robby G has a hardon for hating how the current mechanicus is. He hates them and the ecclesiarchy almost equally because they reduced science and engineering to religious bs.

Nope, the admech books calls them a shit who are causing the decline of Imperial tech to ruin.

Cawl is the best way for the future.

And now we get to Cawl's myriad tech heresies
>The Cawl Inferior (TCI), is a machine that Cawl made so he and Guilliman can talk in secret without messages being intercepted
>its essentially a psychic AI thing. Cawl sends encoded messages that are half complete and TCI fills in the gaps with the missing information that Cawl 'programmed' into the TCI
>Cawl has his own which I assume is called The Guilliman Inferior (or TGI)
>The TCI is pretty much Cawl in personality and reactions
>Cawl (or more specifically TCI) says it not an abominable intelligence, that its just extremely good programming
>Guilliman thinks he's lying out of his ass
>Its powered by warp stuff and severed heads.
>He calls the other magos backwards and afraid of innovation, despises all of them and believes he's the only one that can save the Imperium
>Cawl has no problem admitting necron and old one tech is superior to anything the Imperium has
>He's studying and stealing it to create Imperial pylons to close off the giant chaos crack
>Cawl redesigned the bridge of the Macragge's Honor to be more efficient. This act also caused yet another schism with the more orthodox priests
>Cawl refuses to tell Guilliman what he's doing or where he is, its been over a decade since they last saw each other
>Cawl is probably looting Trazyn's collection as we speak

>>Guilliman finds the Ecclesiarchy to be troublesome. Not because of their belief in Emps as a God, he finds that annoying but not dealbreaking, but because the leaders are either pompous dicks living in lavish palaces or fanatics who cant be in his presence without masturbating to completion

>Good morning everyone, thank you for coming this strategic mee...
>OH HOLY EMPRAH, IT'S GUILLIMAN!!!
>Yeah I know could we... OH FOR FATHER SAKE STOP MASTURBATING ON MY LOGISTIC REPORT!!

Do anyone have the epub or mobi available?

And Ultramar isnt doing too crash hot
>Death Guard are invading
>Espandoria, Iax and Macragge are the three worlds focused on the most
>Espandoria has been holding on but barely. Due to how much the Imperium has gone to shit its just the guard holding the line
>Titans, space marines etc are all busy elsewhere
>The dead march endlessly across seas of mud to attack exhausted, nearly broken guardsmen in their trenches
>think the somme but with zombies
>but they're not the worst part, its when the Death Guard show up
>The squad thats the focus manage to survive, but the two main guard characters, Varens and Bolus, arent in good shape. Varens is wounded by what he assumes is a death guard bolt shell while Bolus has lost his mind due to the trauma of what he experienced
>The pair are sent to Iax, which has been transformed into a hospital world
>Due to the guardsmen in Ultramar being stretched thin Guilliman has decreed that any troopers that can be healed of sickness or wounds should be, instead of just left to die like usual
>Iax is where these poor bastards are sent
>Its a giant fucking operation but I wont go into details
>Varrens spends several chapters recovering here and reminiscing about the war while Bolus is institutionalized.
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OP is just mad his army's about to get crushed by GW's upcoming 3 foot long Overlord transport model.

Now imagine having to write something like that.

why

Cawl is a loose glass bull made out of cannons in a glass china shop-house. There is so much questionable shit going on that he doesn't tell people that it's completely understandable that no one trusts him.

Dude, everything is well within """"acceptable"""" """"parameters"""".

Trust.

>Things start to get weird on Iax as another surviving guardsman from another world encounters Varrens
>He's a survivor of the death guard as well, but he didnt kill any of them, they just vanished suddenly after attacking and killing several of his men
>Varrens realizes that his unit only killed one traitor when Bolus lasgunned his head open (The traitor then collapsed on Bolus and almost suffocated him under mud and filth, this is what broke Bolus). The others vanished as well
>turns on Varrens, Bolus and 5 other survivors who experienced death guard attacks were left alive to act as a sacrifice
>They were marked by the death guard, left alive to go to Iax, then when all 7 were on the planet they would be drawn to a swamp and die from the nurgle blessed insects they had incubated and carried to Iax
>This causes portal to the warp to open and let a force of nurgle demons onto Iax. Iax is lost to the demons
>Macragge (and other worlds) are being lured into rebellion by chaos agitators and promises of a future free of pain
>Its getting so bad that Calgar shows up at one hostage situation to curbstomp the fuckers himself
>said fuckers are a boyscout troop led into rebellion by their troop leader.
>Calgar sends in a bunch of terminators to kill the troop leader because fuck subtlety
>he considers killing the kids as well but he wants to be seen as merciful by the public and so the kids are going to be tried, sent to penal battalions, made into servitors etc.

>Calgar sends in a bunch of terminators to kill the troop leader because fuck subtlety
Can I just say calgar is probably the most interesting part of the book for me. I hope they don't kill him off and replace him with primaris™ sicarius.

>it has been 112 years since the indomitus crusade
>calgar is already fed up with this shit since day one
Based Papa Smurf.

Anybody have an epub/mobi/pdf of it, or know where one is/will be?

>>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.
That's a creative way to get out of officially declaring that we're in M42.

>Mortarion is behind it all
>He's doing warp fuckery with these weird machines that are part xenotech, part chaossorcery
>Its all the Eldar's fault because the xenotech is theirs
>Said warp fuckery causes the barrier between the warp and realspace to be thin and break in some places, not only letting demons in easily but also causing regular people to lose their minds and go full chaos
>They're weird clock things.
>Oh and also Mortarion has his foster dads soul in a jar and he tortures it to make himself feel better
>he spend a thousand years chasing it down in the warp because he apparently had nothing better to do
>Typhus says that Mortarions plan to draw Guilliman out by doing this to Ultramar is retarded and will just fail because he's just giving the space marine equivalent of batman time to prepare
>Mortarion sees no problem whatsoever and ignores Typhus' reasonable concerns
> Guilliman returns to Ultramar with crusade forces to relieve it
>He starts by reconquering Espandoria and killing a giant plague demon dragon
>the book ends after Espandoria is reclaimed and Guilliman prepares to strike at Mortarion and either kill him or force him out

>>Custodes have gotten off their asses and stopped mourning but now they've gone too far the opposite way and are now full of rage over how much the Imperium suffered due to them sitting around crying
Wait, what were they in mourning about? The Emperor being on the Throne?

Yeah the Custodes have been all emo since Big E got his ass kicked because they blame themselves. Thats why they never leave the palace until Imperial Regent G-man tells them to suck it up

>>He also hates daddy, believing the Emperor saw his sons as nothing but tools and while he loved mankind he was incapable of loving individuals, whether they be men or primarch

I will forever despise Black Library for pushing this view of the Emperor so hard that it is now the general accepted canon. Fuck that shit with a rusty pole, it completely kills any aspect of tragedy.

Weren't there occasional stories about the Custodes leaving the palace in smallish groups so they can break back in and test its defenses though?

This is just Guilliman's perspective based on one conversation with a barely alive Emperor who has spent 10k years in constant pain. It could be wrong. Emperor might have loved them back then, but whats left of the Emperor these days does not.

I think that was pre-heresy. Could be wrong.

It makes sense though do you really think a man who truly loved the common man and his sons would let something like the Horus Heresy happen?

Well the Heresy did happen because he was too focused on the big picture instead of paying attention to what's happening around him.

>>The Ordo Chronos killed themselves over the Imperial dating system. Apparently nobody knows if they're still in the 41st millennia or not because there is no standard dating system.

I find that to be a pretty neat (and much-needed) way to sensibly retcon the date of events. The Imperial dating system has been said to account for galactic distances and time-Warping shenanigans, but it also makes sense for that system to utterly fail due to the Imperium's nightmarish, archaic bureaucracy.

Besides the sheer amount of events that has been shoved into 999.M41, consider how long some of the races have been at play:

>745.M41 - Destruction of Hive Fleet Behemoth, the first major conflict with Tyranids (besides Genestealer cults)

>742.M41 - Damocles Crusade, the first major conflict with Tau

Wait, there's a fucking 112 year time skip? That would mean we are not in the 41st Millennium anymore

Nobody fucking knows if they are even in the 41st millenium because of fucked time keeping.

>let something like the Horus Heresy happen
He didn't "let" it happen, Horus rebelling caught him completely off guard.

Thing is, the guys writing the newer books don't give a fuck about that. As evidenced by loopy goldstein, they've taken an almost perverse pleasure in completely ignoring and circumventing the work of those who came before them.

Guilliam guesses it is somewhere between the 41st and 42nd Millennium. Nobody knows really, because the Imperium is a mess and the calendar is broken.

behemoth is an interesting retcon

I preferred the old explanation being that it was the resurgence of the Tyranid menace with Hive Fleet Kraken that caused the crusade to be recalled, since the 3e tyranid book used that fleet as the face of the race, with behemoth (the 2e tyranids) as ancient history.

Just made sense.

Tbh it's also a pretty nice example of how fucked up the Imperium is. They can't even keep track of the date, and instead of sitting down and finding a solution to this, some chucklefuck inquisitors rather just murder the fuck out of each other over the fucking date. And if you think about it, keeping the date is actually very important to the survival of the IoM, but it also sounds hillarious.

The initial point of the Heresy was that he didn't let it happen, though. It caught him by surprise, because he did genuinely trust/love Horus, he was blinded by his love for his son. It's Black Library writers that seems to have deep-seated issues about their parents not loving them enough.

Yeah there's no way the Emperor would be a cripple if the Primarchs were only tools. Only genuine love or absolute utter indecision can explain the Emperor's hesitation/sparing Horus on the first blow, then instantly vaporizing him.

Timekeeping over interstellar distances would be an issue for any space empire. Time doesn't flow at the same rate everywhere in the universe. The closer an object travels to lightspeed, the slowest your clock ticks relative to your frame of reference. Satellites communicating with Earth, GPS in particular, have to deal with this issue all the time.

Nah they've probably retconned it to something stupid like
>Horus is actually as strong if not stronger than the emperor. Basically 40k version of AoS Archaon
>the emperor was weak from holding back the daemons or got stabbed by some magic weapon we never heard of before
>the emperor had to fight several exalted greater daemons in a row immediately before the fight
>Horus has some unspoken purpose deemed extremely important to the emperor that would be detrimental to the survival of mankind, and emps was afraid to lose it.

Why do they need to ruin every cool moment.

And how would that fit with best angel boy and him being loved by Big E?

>Why do they need to ruin every cool moment.
that's just what happens when you hire fanboys

gotta assert fanboy dominance and leave your own "mark"

Obviously Emps doesn't REALLY love Sangy, he's going to send him in to soften up Horus first to make it seem easier and so he looks better in his inevitable victory over the traitors by crushing them so absolutely.

Or some stupid shit like that.

Well, this is an important aspect for real life, and I'm convinced this question already came up on some Warhammerfest, but I'm also convinced it got immediately handwaved by telling everyone that the Mechanicus has found a way, "but have you heard our new tragic story of Captain McThundercock? He battles his inner demons and conflicts BY TEARING SOEM ORK A FEW NEW ASSHOLES! BOLTERPORN, FUCK YEAH!"

Oh, I don't disagree with that. Any self-respecting stellar empire would figure it out. Still, calendars can become outdated with time. I believe there was one such empire that didn't update theirs and was off-sync with the actual real dates.

So Imperium care now for poor, single guardsman? Not so grimmdark anymore.

Only Ultramar. Its stated that in most other regions of the galaxy they'd just be left to die or given the Emperor's mercy. Ultramar has always been better to its citizens than the rest of the Imperium.

It literally says that they're treating them because they don't have enough men to kill them, and repairing a small percentage of them is better than having to wait for a new generation of guardsmen to be raised.

Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier and they can't afford to wait for guardsmen being sent from other systems.

>Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier
Wasn't part of Rowboat's thing that he's a great logistics guy and bureaucrat?

Maybe he should have spent less time crusading and more time fixing the bureaucracy and logistics so they didn't get even worse.

Russian February Revolution and the October revolution took place in March and November respectfully, as the the rest of the world had switched to the Gregorian calendar whilst the Russians were still using the Julian.

Don't forget that massive warpstorms erupted everywhere, and Abaddon presumably is still on his way to Terra. The Imperiums forces were thinly spread before, but now they've reached a point where they aren't even in the position to say "Guardsmen? Ah, we have a few more billions coming in tomorrow anyway, not a big deal"

Where have you cunts read this? Isn't it out on the 17th?

Digital version in on sale now.

>Oh and also Mortarion has his foster dads soul in a jar and he tortures it to make himself feel better

Wait, what ?

Isn't that just the ordo grammaticus?

That's not what I mean. I think it was the Chinese that screwed up their calendar and they thought they were in a different year altogether.

That's not a thing.

> A squad of the new Primaris™ Space Marine™ Incestors™ appeared, their Mk X Tacticus Armour™ (TRADEMARKED DO NOT STEAL) covered in the blood of the Death Guard™ Poxwalkers™™™ that they had just slaughtered with their brand new Cawl™ Pattern Mk II Bolt Rifles™ (DO NOT STEAL)...
And
>The Plague Marine™ of the Heretic Astartes™ leapt under the Repulsor Tank™ with a Melta Bomb™ He was instantly crushed by the grav plate, obviously he had not fought a Repulsor Tank™ before!
It's the worst at the beginning in the scenes with the Primaris Marines. It's not so bad later on.

I liked this part of the book
>‘I have them,’ he said. ‘Your brothers are that way.’ He pointed. ‘Though the enemy are nearer. Perhaps you would join me in their slaughter before you rejoin your brothers, for the glory of Greater Ultramar, and the Imperium of Man?’
-Tetrach Decimus Felix, Primaris Ultramarine Captain to Genesis Chapter Centurions that were separated from their battle brothers

>possible traitor Primaris, etc

could you elaborate on this?

cawl is one of those "my chapter is secretly from traitor gene-stock" fags

Yes, that's the Blood Games. But only the custodes even know about it so whatevs.

From what I gather from the other fatguys is that Cawl wants to use traitor geneseeds to create more Parimaris. Girlyman said no but he suspects he's doing shit behind his back anyway.....incoming chaos chad marines!

Cawl has a full stock of geneseed from the traitor legions and is really forward about wanting to employ it immediately citing it was just the primarchs that were the issue. Bobby G flat out says no but is pretty sure Cawl is going to fuck with it anyway.
I see that as a possible Heresy 2: Electricus Boogalum with traitor gene primaris being more easily corrupted.

It's pretty good. The Primaris Marines are shown to dominate some Iron Warriors early on, but they're pretty evenly matched by the Plague Marines, which while also new, are old fluff.

>>Emperor can talk telepathically. He talked to Guilliman. Their conversation is why Guilliman's view of the Emperor has changed. Big E is a dick even after 10k years.
Wait what, the emperor can talk?
Can you quote please?

Theres no quote to give. What Big E actually said isnt stated, just that Guilliman didnt like it and made him want to smack that glorified corpse around a bit.

There is a bit in another book where he talks to an Inquisitor that does have quotes. He speaks in all caps and has a fractured mind.

Guilliman does.
Guilliman's mercy is considered different to the Emperor's, because Guilliman will actually try to save you.

>Basically the Imperium logistics are now even shittier
>Wasn't part of Rowboat's thing that he's a great logistics guy

The Imperium's logistics are superior now, just the strain is so much greater. Roboute makes Guardsmen well so that they can go and fight again.
Treating the sick results in more Guardsmen than killing the sick.

>At the thought of his fathers, the memory of the sights Guilliman had witnessed in the throne room a century ago intruded violently into his mind. Against the odds, something lingered on the Golden Throne. His last encounter with his true father had been a spear of light and pain whose psychic aftershocks troubled him still. The Emperor had lost His subtlety.
Is basically it.
Inquisition Wars has the Emperor actually talking. But it's old and as liable to trigger some subset of Veeky Forums's autists as any given bit of new fluff.

Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.

so in 2e behemoth entered the galaxy way earlier?

Sound good. Really, really good. I was happy with the plot progress when Cadia fell and the Great Rift fucked thigs up everywhere, but the Gullimand&Primaris thing was far too nobledark for me.

Good to know things are gonna get warhammered back to shit soon thanx to Adepts of Mars still not believing in Hell.

To be fair Luna wolf gene seed is the most potent and stable of all. Would make amazing primaris marines.

Only Carnac gets triggered by mention of Inquisition War because he's a professional NEET and Troll. Pretty much everyone else recognizes it as a cornerstone of the setting, and the Emperor speech as one of the setting's best (and I especially appreciate for how it sets the tone of the entire setting.)

Weren't the Emperor's Children the most stable of the Traitor legions?

>Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.
Female Primarines confirmed!

>Just as important, he was doing the same with the missing legion geneseed.
>Female Primarines confirmed!
You're laughing but it could happen.

>Incestors

Tell me more, user

Either way, stability has nothing to do with potential Chaos corruption. Traitor Legions didn't fall to Chaos because they ware mutants, they fell because their fathers fell, and some believe it's in their genes.

Some Primaris Battle Brothers don't let their lust for their brothers stay mere undertones.

Final fucking straw if that happens.

>"Hmmm, let me be stupid and not trust my children, give a stern my way or the highway approach, not explain anything and be uncaring."
>[heresy happens all because of emperor being a dick and doesn't know how to talk to people]
>[10,000 years later of eternal suffering and pain for your dumb mistakes]
>"Could I be out of touch? No...it is the children who are wrong."

Why is the Emperor so fucking stupid? This is why I'm Chaos Undivided

>If I have to choose between someone who isn't the smartest and being buggered by super satan for eternity, I choose super satan

Smart guy

Chaos is the true nature of man for all the chaos gods gained power from man. CHAOS DESERVES MAN LIKE MAN DESERVES CHAOS SENPAI

I've heard from a researcher than natural sources like pulsars or something like this could be used at long term as the way to adjust clocks in interestellar distances or travel

Perhaps you didn't quite catch on the first time
>being buggered by super satan for eternity

I mean, I hope thats not the true nature of man

>hope that's not the true nature of man

Oh you sweet Summer child

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Yep. Not much earlier, but depending on how how far back you go or which books you look at during RT to early 3e behemoth will show up in the tail end of M40 to the modern 745M41 already mentioned.

The tau themselves have conversely been eked farther back over time. The damocles crusade was (originally, in the first tau codex) shortly before the arrival of hive fleet kraken in 992M41. The fleet was called back to deal with the unexpected resurgence of the tyranids, and the tau had to deal with the newly created splinters of kraken in the third sphere of expansion following the wake of the damocles crusade.

But then some idiot decided to freeze the timeline in 5e and the tau had no room to expand. So they bumped damocles back to 742M41, made the crusade fleet into reinforcements for the Ultramarines (despite the ultramarines being at damocles), and had the tau dealing with the splinters of behemoth during the third sphere expansion instead (despite behemoth being completely annihilated at macragge, leaving the imperials to believe the tyranid race wiped out as well as prompting the hive mind to change its invasion strategy completely with kraken)

the tld:dr is that when andy chambers left as overfiend, 40k's timeline went to absolute shit

Them Ynnari, what about them?
What about Guilliman's gf?

I find 10.000 year old genetically and psychically engineered supersoliders going "wah, wah, daddy doesn't love me" a bit hard to accept.

She told him about War in Heaven and Fall.