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Outsiders Edition Talk about cool, wierd, scary, and otherwise interesting expereinces and interactions you have with Outsiders. How do you like your Outsiders? And how do you implement them into homebrew settings?
Physical manifestations of virtue, prayer, fear and terror. If an Angel is made out of Good, I want them to *literally* be made out of the Virtue of the world, their form and functioning altered depending on what that Virtue is.
Lincoln Taylor
inb4 cuck-user starts bitching about page 8
Bentley Miller
Reminder to bully nerds who want to play gun-wielding shrine maiden awoos
Jackson Murphy
I want to use the Outer and Esoteric dragons more often. They're WAY cooler than the normal chromatics and metallic dragons. I guess Metallic dragons would also be cool if they were ACTUALLY made of metals, and went up to like, Mithril, Adamantium, and Oricalchum dragons and shit.
Adrian Roberts
Why are all of you so thirsty for big confident bara men? Is it because no one will touch your female characters?
Carson Hughes
No!
Gun-wielding shine maiden awoos must be protected by voluptuous provincial yokai fox-women with fantastic magical talent!
Brandon Jones
>big confidenet bara men
Rory ruined that meta. He was the last, most infamous bara.
Matthew Young
Gun maidens don't make any sense though, dude.
Jeremiah Garcia
I was always thirsty for big confident bara men. Because I can't find one IRL. ;_;
David Torres
Guns make more sense than a sword. A lot less muscle mass needed to shoot a gun than sword/hammer someone
Gabriel Carter
Okay fine- I still want Fox Tits to use her witchy fox magic on me!
Jack Morales
Humanoid, but with a mentality that is definitely not.
David Jenkins
Okay, I'm at a crossroads with my concept, being that of the redheaded Vigilante who seeks to restore her family's name. Either I play it straight, with her Vigilante identity being a 'loyal retainer' of her once-noble family, or I can make her a Consumed Vigilante. In the latter case, she would claim to be that 'loyal retainer', carrying out the last wishes of 'his' mistress. Both options are ways to represent redemption and the restoration of prestige, but I'm fine with either one. What should I choose?
Gavin Wright
Still doesn't feel as thematic as bows or something. Guns are for nobunaga types
Jayden Butler
Realistically you probably want to go for a Trait that hasn't been taken yet, since Argent is probably going to want only one member of each trait on the team.
Gavin White
Because it's a passing fantasy. Confident golden-boy types are nice, but they don't usually get picked for games by good GMs because they've got no place to go for development unless you go out of your way to break them down.
By contrast, almost every big muscular male character that got accepted to a game had some kind of mild edge to him, or a shameful secret, or some sort of significant character flaw. Not as sexy, to be sure, but you can do a lot more with that character that isn't just "And then the world just decided to shit on you. Again."
Aiden Ortiz
Well, if we have a little ambition...
Jacob Wright
They're plenty of spaces for them to occupy. They can be a mentor to one of the other player characters or even a Han Solo type.
Lincoln Watson
Which haven't been taken yet?
Julian Clark
Literally who?
Samuel Nelson
Where is a good place to look for players?
Joseph Green
It's not that I don't believe you, but I don't believe you. Can I get a link on that?
Julian Stewart
Bows need literally more strength than swords. Real life archers were BUFF as fuck. Moreover, breasts get in the way of archery. Hence, gun maidens is the most sensible female archetype.
Mason Ross
Maybe not thematic in low fantasy, but 'lady gunslinger' is a pretty common thing. Not here. What are you looking for in players?
Chase Gonzalez
>He doesn't know who Rory is
look at this fucking newbie
Owen Hill
Mentoring is for NPC relationships. And Han Solo types aren't "golden-boy" types.
Big confident bara guys, unless they turn out to be shitheads like Rory, are pretty much going to be static characters. Your "Han Solo type" would be more likely to be occupied by the team's Dexfag Rogue or resident edgelord.
Liam Carter
there are fifty fucking outsider subtypes, and only the same few keep getting support fuck it
Adrian Watson
Entire worlds that were made into bio-mechanical machines left after completing some purpose to their own devices.
Just give me a fucking shonen anime protagonist for fucks sake
Adrian Morris
>Shitheads like Rory
How's he doing anyhow? I heard he missed the last session of DG2.
Angel James
So were we just bullying the "Child of a wolf-god" user last thread?
Wyatt Collins
It doesn't matter where you look there are always going to be bad submissions and people who can't get along with groups. My advice is to make a survey test 2 gauge which kind of personalities would best fit your play style and what you're looking for in a group then start using that to weed out people you woulsn't want to play with.
I've had as many bad players as I have good players from; tg, suptg, pfg, gitp, rpg.net, we forums and enworld, among other places.
If I had to pick one that I felt was arguably the worst though it's probably Veeky Forums. The anonymity has food a lot of them into thinking they can just flake out and drop out of games whenever they want and I'll find more later without any sort of repercussions to shity behavior and being unreliable building up a reputation around them.
Parker Baker
We did what we always do: Shitpost about nothing and make nonsense assertions!
Jason Taylor
>he thinks Rory is relevant look at this fucking loser
Leo Ross
I was gonna make Loke a wild hermit because he p much was, but then he spent 60 years becoming village grandpa and casting from his ki pool so i couldnt justify it anymore. Also + carry weight on a 30 str giant lel.
Jonathan Robinson
I don't pay attention to other people's games as I'm usually busy playing in my own.
Justin Anderson
Mostly managing to keep his head down, but still managing to fuck up massively here and there (bamboozling with a popular meme game for instance).
Logan White
Affected by something that gives you a boner =/= In a relationship
Jayden Campbell
I want to protect that user from your shitposting!
Daniel White
> you aren't allowed to have relationships among player characters where one relies on the other or takes advice from them
You have such a narrow concept of what you can and cannot play it's really laughable.
Eli Powell
You want to look up Sleep then, that's pretty much his schtick. Matter of fact, he's already playing one in RotJR.
Joshua Brown
Mandate of Heaven - 3 [Yamaguchi Yuudai, Yīn Sūn Báisòng, Yin Xue Hua] Shrine Maiden of Paradise - 1 [Língmèng Qīng] Seeker of the Grass Cutter - 2 [Tsubaki Higashiyama, Koji] Celestial Dragon's Disciple - 1 [Mira "Mia" Covinus] Wild Hermit of the Mountains - 1 [Shosouga no Kazuki] Wisdom of the Sake Jar - 2 [Huan Shuang, Loke Laufey]
So Bureaucrat of the High Court is completely untaken, while Wild Hermit's app is basically not there and you might be able to get it in anyway. Shrine Maiden and Celestial Dragon are probably a lot harder even though they only have one person because everyone seems to like foxtits and Argentum seems to personally like the knockoff Reimu, but you can obviously risk either if you think you've got a solid app. I mean it's not like you can have a shit app and get in anyway since there's not enough players for every slot, but it might help a little.
Joseph Russell
What's the difference between a god and an outsider?
Christopher Murphy
There's two hermits actually
Josiah Hill
I ignored Maximum and the Monkey King because they can't play.
James Ramirez
It's just that "mentor" implies a lot more baggage than relying on each other and taking advice. The latter is something I'd expect of any PC-to-PC relationship that isn't explicitly a rivalry.
The former is more like a relationship that's defining one party as superior and the other as inferior, whether strictly or mildly so. That's a lot harder to pull off between PCs, since they're supposed to be equals and peers in terms of power level (unless the GM is being a shit and favoring one of them).
Bentley Clark
A statblock
Leo Rogers
Gods are exceptionally powerful Outsiders with a spark of divinity within them, divinity being a substance or state.
Grayson Fisher
Your sempai basically. Kamina and Simon, Jack Sparrow and Will Turner, Jon Snow and Fatty.
Charles Campbell
I'd also imagine trait mechanics kinda help things along. If you're a class with a Ki pool, then Wisdom of the Sake Jar becomes invaluable, and if you're going to ever touch a Katana then Seeker of the Grass Cutter is a no-brainer. This probably hurts a bit when some characters look like they'd make more sense with a different trait, but took the other for mechanical reasons.
Aside from Mira, what characters do people even like? Ensoulment posting feels like it's drowned out JttW. It's kinda nice, but at the same time it's hard to get a good picture of it.
Cameron Howard
Well at least he's not a constant shitter
Jack Jackson
Are we ready to give Aurelia a guaranteed spot for Ensoulment yet?
Luke Martin
Nah Sleep adds a bit too much edge
I'm looking for a Semi, ya know
Evan Barnes
You're looking at it wrong.
In a 10th level gestalt, a gunmage isn't the issue. the issue is that you're trying to put a western spin on it when you don't need to. Chinese wuxia is about perfecting yourself and your skills. Using a gun and magic with that gun isn't an issue. We're talkign about a culture where women were seen as equals not because they were women and equal, but because their efforts matched the efforts of the culture they lived in. It didn't matter that a woman wasn't capable of being as strong as a man or have as much stamina. The very effort they put into increasing their skills, their stamina, and there strength are what earned them this respect. They were equals because they worked hard to perfect their abilities to the point they could achieve, and the pushed past that.
Your gunmage isn't a person trying to make guns better than swords, or trying to obsolete swords. Your character is perfecting his personal skills using a weapon he prefers, in a method he finds challenging and exciting. The magical aspect is his chi, or qi, and his ability to use his gun to eliminate opponents and defend his capability of fighting is what really matters. that it is a bizzare or unusual weapon isn't an issue - they had people who used sharpened coins as weapon, and made things like the flying guillotine! A gun will get odd looks, but if your warrior is an expert and is striving for improvement, THAT is what matters in wuxia.
William Fisher
>JttW has traits
O-Oh, I didn't know this... Well, looks like none of those work for my concept! Wooooooo.
Carson Wright
>his head just fucking disappears wtf i love monks now.
Blake Baker
You haven't seen the last two Bestiaries or something?
Blake Nguyen
Deku* damned phone posting
Asher Reed
If you're asking me personally Foxtits > Totally Reimu > Koji and Loke > Yin Xue Hua > the rest
Logan Ward
One Touch Ki Power and Ascetic Form Style, user.
Hunter Peterson
Sleep seems to have added edge to later characters because Rubio didn't get memed enough until the Shayliss episode.
Rubio, by contrast, is about as classic shonen protagonist as you can get--bold, optimistic, kind of stupid, real himbo type of guy. Though if he's not doing it for you, try Drifter and Etan.
Matthew Moore
as someone that's watched this extremely high level stalker with steel serpent and weapon ground adaptation improvised weapon
Ethan Bell
I fucking hate campaign traits.
Mason Parker
She's cute but garunteed? Not with that schedule
Samuel Collins
I was not asking you in particular, but your thoughts are appreciated. If only you knew.
Sebastian Martin
Still, the shrine maiden angle seems to have a little too much connotation to it. Maybe the awoo-god child could have been abandoned by her mother, and then found and raised by a hunter, who teaches gunfu and tells her to use her magic together or something.
Camden Bennett
What? That's not what I was saying at all. I love campaign traits and I think they're lovely for figuring out a character concept, but none of those fit my concept and I'm not too invested in joining that campaign to rejigger the character.
Samuel Morales
>Drifter and Etan
But Etan isn't a human bean!
Connor Foster
Ask Argentum if he'll add a trait for you, he's been open about lots of shit also you get FREE LEGACY WEAPON
John Rogers
>FREE LEGACY WEAPON What does that mean?
Benjamin Anderson
So we come to the real reason: Being a picky motherfucker is why you haven't found anyone yet.
Jacob Rodriguez
Legacy Weapons are weapons that grow with the character, kind of like how Starfinder allows you to upgrade existing weapons to be on-par with end-game equipment.
And it's more than just enchantment, Legacy weapons turn into pseudo-artifacts.
Levi Myers
BOSS WEAPONS
Ethan Butler
>Reading FotJR greentexts Somebody on that team really has it in for Rubio. Do Sleep and the GM have history, by any chance?
Henry Ward
Just my personal complaints with male chars
Wyatt Williams
Where would this be found?
Adam Wilson
Can anyone give a rundown/TLDR of the current Chalice apps? I think the app process closes soon!
Gavin Hill
What do you want out of a male character then?
Cameron Carter
The assumption was Corwin wanted to take care of his boner by putting it in Valeriya.
Christopher Taylor
>no shitpost summaries of JttW apps yet
Jonathan Harris
It is entirely possible to have a shrine maiden dedicated to the gun.
She uses a gun because she was having serious issues with then local spirits that were tring to invade her temple grounds. Her arrows, for all the rituals and skillsshe had, were not harming the too-quick spirits. she would find bundles of arrows wrapped in vines outside the shrine gates. She was trying to hunt a particularly malicious one when there was a crack of thunder and a gout of flame and smoke, and the spirit was dropped to the ground and wailed until it vanished. The weapon the passign hunter had had caught the spirit and slain it....what kind of weapon had such power?
As she learned the way of the gun, she learned to channel her magic through it, and became an even stronger and more potent defender of her shrine with new magic and strange weapon in hand.
Innovation is not anathema to wuxia ideals.
Wyatt Smith
It's a scaling Unique Item that eventually goes artifact tier at high levels. Check Lingmeng's sheet for her Legacy Weapon.
R8 (Level 16): Lingmeng can use Magic Danmaku at will as a Swift action, using her character level as her caster level. Magic Danmaku is a Magic Missile that scales to 20. Magic Danmaku creates so many force missiles that even Shield and similar effects cannot stop them all, and any missiles in excess of the normal 5 slam through regardless.
You get a custom one for free unless you mean the stuff Argentum is basing it off, which is pdf related.
Michael Wilson
Well shit by that logic Etan and Rubio are already married.
Colton Flores
Face it, we're not that bizzare for 10th level characters.
Xavier Foster
Homolove is the only true love
Aiden Adams
Just because their dicks were in the same person does not mean they're in love! The comment mentioned hooking up, and you don't need a relationship to hook up.
Cooper Cox
Apparently a shonen protagonist like the one from BnHA, except confident, tall, muscular, without character depth, with no flaws, and...
The user basically wants a dildo with a training dummy attached.
Lucas Allen
This explains nothing on how I'm supposed to make a Legacy weapon.
Joseph Sullivan
You don't make one, you make a character and talk with Argentum about it.
Cooper Williams
That happened a few days ago.
Jackson Garcia
D I C K D E L I V E R Y S Y S T E M
Joshua Sullivan
This looks dumb and fun. Is it? If so, what it is?
Jacob Nelson
Some chink cartoon
Caleb Cooper
Thunderbolt Fantasy.
Caleb Bennett
?????
Nathan Adams
Can't wait to see what kind of NPC Hecate is going to come up with for JttW.
Noah Hall
Thunderbolt Fantasy. An entirely puppet 'animated' anime
Pretty much a perfect example to sell people on either PoW or Wuxia, or both
Henry Martin
user you seem to have issues with buff attractive guys turning out to not be shotheads with a tortured past.