Imagine a society of creatures that use math as only language

Math as a language is terribly narrow. It's only good for expressing truths within a self-consistent framework. As such, it is not suited to practical concerns.

>As such, it is not suited to practical concerns.
Like telling each other where the food is.

Well OP if is right. Then you won't get a nuanced culture at all, the concept of art, poetry, literature would be pretty much non-existent as everything would just have literal meanings without any symbolism or anything.

Are you saying it's impossible to derive meaning and context from shapes and numbers? The egyptians made fucking pyramids to align with a specific set of constellation in the sky. We have supersitions and myths based on certain numbers like professional engineers pruposefully not adding a 13th floor because it was considered bad luck. In Japanese the word for 4 is also the word for death so someone putting a clock in front of you with 4:00 on it could have the same meaning as a regular death threat.

An entire society where their language is literally shapes and numbers would be initially comprehensible to use because we wouldn't immediately understand what the numbers mean to them but getting past that would make communicating with them easy and logical to do.

>First contact with math aliens
>They find it adorable that we can communicate with them in binary because their children intially communicate in binary and treat us as such.

Isn't music just expressive math?

What about art being creation of beatiful equations?

>then they find out about the Tzar bomb

...

>oh bless their little hearts
>they figured out nuclear fusion
>that's adorable, I'm so proud of them

>Imagine a society of creatures that use math as only language.
Not possible, and even if it were, they'd be severely sociologically and psychologically stunted due to their inability to verbally conceptualize anything unrelated to Math.

Honestly sounds like an idea for a scrapped Star Trek first contact episode.

How's it math then?

Dude, how do you thing we're talking to each other right now? That right, your entire post is 1s and 0s. "Math" is an extremely flexible system.

You do know that math is more than algebra, right bro?

>1+1= 2!
>n=0! 2+2=4! f=a990=t!

Because 1+1 will always equal 2 regardless of any extra meaning you attribute to the number(s)

>2+2=4!
Confirmed for retardation.

Language IS math.

+2=4!
Nah, just confirmed for never learning math outside of whatever fucking shitty highschool he probably went to.

This should be very easy and basic shit, but they only teach it on actual educations, so uneducated plebs wont know this is wrong.

>Because 1+1 will always equal 2
Not if it equals 10.

Only if you're a trumptard who believes it because smallus manus tells you to. We're talking about a race of hyper logical beings who communicate via math but can impart meaning to numbers.

Hey retard, I was referring to binary.

And math is language.

01001001 00100000 01110011 01100101 01100101 00101110 00100000 01001001 00100000 01110011 01101001 01101110 01100011 01100101 01110010 01100101 01101100 01111001 00100000 01100001 01110000 01101111 01101100 01101111 01100111 01101001 01111010 01100101 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01100111 01101111 01101111 01100100 00100000 01100001 01101110 01101111 01101110 00100000 01100001 01101110 01100100 00100000 01101000 01101111 01110000 01100101 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01110111 01101001 01101100 01101100 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 01100111 01101001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101101 01100101 00101110

How could you communicate by using language created to describe calculations?
If you use it to describe something else it is not math anymore.

It is like imagining race that use only bakery as language.

Math is more than just calculations.

1+1 = 2
>the sentiment that cooperation makes us stronger
a = 2b
>I'm worth two of you, shithead
a = b+1
>I'm worth more than you, but not by much
a*c = ∂f(c,b)∂c
>I copulated with your parental unit
a+b/x = C*mx
>Let's get in the shuttle and get the fuck out of here as fast as possible

A sourdough bun with a crosshatch pattern topped with sesame seeds means "hey, you wanna go to behind the barn and do it in the butt?"

A species of sentient constructs originally built to work in bakeries make their own language by exchanging magically produced baked goods which have different meanings based on ingredients, preparation, appearance and taste.

Chinese.

Yeah, but is is the same as ours language but instead of sound waves it uses something else.
And would be similar(to a certain degree) as other species would face similar things to name like rocks and so on. With biological and cultural differences.
But principle in communication based on sound, smell, bakery is the same.
Math may be harder as math is abstract and artificial construct that in origin was used to describe reality.

if certain equations have certain connotations and certain variables are understood to mean different things implicitly then it just shows that the math aliens think about things as discrete numbers, they break things down into categories and statistics.

The idea that their language is a series of math equations reveals their thought processes about the things they are talking about. Clearly math aliens wouldn't allow for concepts that don't have a discrete value or are impossible to calculate.

We already do that. It's called grammar.

Let's assume the ancient cave mathematicians needed to think of names for things but they still think in math, so what if they all named things based on observable traits, and some cavemaths would use different traits but eventually everyone figured out where the overlap was.

So one cavemath asks the other "Solve for x,y of p=.5542, x+y < 20 qubits" which is like saying, "Where can I find a thing that is .5542 hardness less than 20 qubits away from here?" and the other guy says " p = .5542, c = 4456999, b = y" which translates to, "Is the .5542 hardness thing a thing with color 4456999 value?" and the first cavemath say " b =/= y, c = 5449332" which is "no, it's other color" but he didn't think to use color to start with until the other cavemath tried to define objects based on color. Eventually cavemath society figures out which trait is the most defining of each thing and they all start using that one. Now you got language, but essentially every name is "The hardest thing", "The shiniest thing", "the heaviest thing"

So it's just numbers all the way down, no fluffy concepts at all.

Oh hell yea. Those could be used in such a "language".
Would they even need to feed?
Anyway, describe a vector that goes to that direction. "Food" can be some arbitrary number (like, 1^0.5), like normal words are arbitrary sounds

Given that they'd be entirely focused on practicality their concept of "beauty" would be entirely different than ours. It'd simply be an efficient equations to perform some task or something. The entire spectrum of arts probably would not exist in this world.

You are all fucking retards
Obviously the answer is always 42. Gas yourselves.

>their concept of "beauty" would be entirely different than ours.
No shit, Sherlock

>Given that they'd be entirely focused on practicality
That's not a given. Besides, beauty is largely based on mathematical concepts - golden ratio, symmetry, etc.

If you're going to do that, then we're also using a purely mathematical language, as it is possible to store our speech digitally.
Because it's possible to express our language using those very binary numbers you're referencing, we as humans only use math to communicate.

Math isn't a complete language, it needs to be paired with another to make sense. Variables, for example, are meaningless without definitions in another language. Its pure abstraction, it is meaningless without another language to attribute meaning to it.

I'm disappointed Amplitude still use the humanoid template for all races in ES2. A race from another dimension and they still use traditional rod-shaped ships like everyone else.

Also space combat fought like the Battle of Trafalgar. Are they adding in interceptor craft at least?

The point being that if they even have art it'd be so alien to ours it'd be even difficult to classify it as art.
Well I'm just basing it off of what someone else said, where they claimed the language would most likely be exceptionally literal so I'd imagine it'd be the product of a hyper logical race without a sort of deeper meaning or metaphors like human languages have.

Isn't art just a system of deduction that we use language to communicate with each other?
How can math itself be the language?
That's like saying they use ethics as a language.

A computer is not a "creature", user.

Math is a language in the sense that it is an abstraction that can be used to describe the world around us by assigning concepts to arbitrary shapes and sounds. Pure math however is an incomplete language because it is just too abstract, there's no way to describe a physical thing using pure math without using another language to define some variable or equation. The number 1 is not a physical thing and the variable X just represents a unknown number. Neither of them can be mapped to any material concept unless you do so using another language.

Take the equation (25X+10Y)/100=Z. If I told you X was how many quarters I had and Y was how many dimes then it's easy to figure out the Z represents how much money I have. But if I just gave you the equation without the extra context how would you figure out what Z is supposed to represent? I suspect a language based around math would quickly move away from actual math and turn into something that more closely resembles typical languages, it is the speakers that shape the language not the other way around and if their language isn't working for them they'll change it until it does.