How are chaos daemons even a problem lmao just shoot at them they don't even have Guns

Welcome to 40k, where keeping bodies on the front is cheaper than supporting them. Especially when your air force only moves when the other military body says so, which is completely separate from your own.

Numbers, psychic powers, sudden appearances.

Daemons can warp in in overwhelming numbers and swarm enemies, taking them by surprise. They also have some telekinetic shit going on and other mindfuck abilities.

They really do get slaughtered en masse but there's so many of them that it doesn't make much difference so long as they win the battle. It's also difficult to kill daemons permanently rather than just send them back to Warp by killing their physical form. Not impossible but it's likely that killing a daemn won't actually kill its spirit.

i think he meant that those assets would likely be tied up in some way via daemonic shenanigans that would prevent them from fulfilling their roles effectively

Imperial guard bring ridiculous amounts of artillery and tanks to their battles though. Nothing should be able to walk through the rain of basilisk fire alone, let alone wyvren suppression tanks. Greater daemons shouldn't even be a threat, they'd get targeted so fast every heavy weapon will be on them the moment they show face

I would like to point out a very important counter point:daemon summoning. They enter into the field of battle from a another dimension very close to or on top of the formation they are attacking. At lest that is were they start out, they will likely end up having to move to another formation after routing the first one, so they will have to close the distance then.

If I was in command of a force that was using 40k daemon summoning I would target airbases if in reach and fire bases if air bases are not in reach.

It's funny because this is basically the approach Tyranids used to BTFO daemons and it totally worked.

Well shit, as long as you can run faster than they can march.

It's stated several times in the heresy novels that daemons are vulnerable to bladed weapons and are highly resilient to ballistics.

Why this is hasn't been properly explained. Just use your imagination I guess

>He thinks daemons don't have air power.

>This is what corpse worshipers actually believe.

As has been said already, daemons can appear out of thin air and so long as there is a crack in the warp or the summoning continues, there is almost an endless stream of them.

Also for artillery, a vanguard of greater daemons appearing on top of them would completely level any base of operations. Even one pic related would route an entire infantry platoon under daemonic incursions.

That 'beat army' button makes this pic all the more perfect.

>Now imagine if they DIDN'T stop marching towards you OR scatter or even break formation once you filled them with holes. Suddenly they become a concern again.

Pic related is there to solve your issue.

Didn't post pic.

Razor wire doesn't even slow down some of the horrid things that are technically pure demon in 40k. There are also things that are demonically possessed, are not slowed down by razor wire, and also have a lot of Gun.

Again, you also have the whole "teleports behind you NOTHING PERSONAL MORTAL" aspect. Why do you not understand they can show up in places that you would not sanely predict or think are "safe"?

Even if everything is ideally fortified and they can't get in anywhere beyond a certain distance, you don't have warning. A moving army raises dust, your orbital assets and scouts see them. Demons charge out of scars in reality/appear out of nowhere with their dicks up and ready to start cutting you apart, very suddenly.

Why is it that a bunch of you guys apply real world logic to fight enemies from a realm that is literally mind over matter and consider the laws of physics an enjoyable past time.

Daemons can teleport straight up to the tanks and slice them apart. They can also use psychic powers to protect themselves from the incoming shells or strengthen their already formidable resistance to damage. The one kind of daemon that doesn't use magic like that, Khorne's, is also the type that deploys in organized legions with dedicated artillery of their own.

>getting BTFO in ranged combat by a faction known for having shit range

Hahahahahaha pathetic. Daemons a shit when they can't rely on their "teleports behind you, drives your whole platoon insane" tricks and have to work without endless reinforcements like everyone else

Pretty sure the tyranids are the only ones that could have pulled that off though. They're the only army they can mass produce artillery on a days notice and constantly develop immunities to the plagues and limit the daemons connection to the warp and not suffer from any of the daemons morale attacks. Any other force in that same situation would have been rekt unless they sent specialists to close off the rift, which is how almost every victory over daemons goes. Very few times dondaemons actually lose militarily

>why army height and weight standards fail- the post

>Razor wire doesn't even slow down some of the horrid things that are technically pure demon in 40k. There are also things that are demonically possessed, are not slowed down by razor wire

Wire barriers are a is a valid vehicle sapping tactic used in real life. Having a long set of c-wire miles wide is very useful. the stuff will catch a machine In real life and will slow down the advance of an enemy infantry while they cut through it. (In the case of rampaging melee dumbfucks it's slow them down and horribly rip and tear the poor sods as they try to dash across it and receive gashes in their body for the effort and more importantly it'll slow them down.

Because "affix bayonetes!" Is a tactic that happens in-setting and is not useless.

Not only do Deamons vary from not caring about being shot full of holes to actually having skin tougher than any tank present in the galaxy, they also are fucking magic to boot.

Modern military tactics start to break down when your opponent is a literal endless stream of deamons who both incite madness in your troops through their psychic presence but also do not play by the same physical rules as your troops.

They might as well be humanoid tanks when considering how to deal with one. Then you have to also take into account the 'traditional' military of raving lunatics also with magic powers and fanatics performing tactics like ISIL on crackmethamphetaminesteroids from hell.

Because Chaos is a combined arms force. Also some demons shoot.

If I recall right, daemons don't even die when you shoot them until they stop moving. They just go back to the warp.

If you have a literally immortal army, why not just overwelm your enemies?

Daemons usually take forever to reform themselves, it's not an instant thing that can be done in the same battle or even in a long war. Tyranids and certain Necrons are the only ones that can do that IIRC. Daemons also don't have endless numbers, it changes depending on how powerful their patron god is

what about daemonically possessed titans, daemon engines, defilers, and shit that fucking flies?

does mother fucking razor wire work against a thing that literally can flatten it or utterly ignore it?

Like, just give the fucker metal legs or skin so tough the wire won't do shit... much like the skin of a blood letter or blood thirster.

>daemon air force
>posts CSM unit
You had one job

Enemy is a mass of never-ending muscle, bone and sinew composed of warp spawn nightmare fuel. "its easy just shoot it" :^)

Literally designed to catch in clothing and slow you down. It ain't gonna do shit to a daemon

>enemy is a never ending swarm of biomechanical horrors specially designed to kill any eat you, just shoot it lmao
>enemy is a massive horde of barbaric aliens genetically engineered by an ancient godlike race to thrive on war l, just shoot them lmao
>enemy is rank upon rank of highly advanced regenerating death robots who have technology thst is practically magic, just shoot them lmao

Anyone can be blown to bits by enough firepower. Are people really forgetting that daemons can and do get shot all the time?

While true, the fact they can warp reality, can take multiple tank shells, can sometimes just appear a couple of hundred feet away and their support troops can warp in basically around you. Makes all that much harder, theyd be much easier if they all walked across a couple miles of flat fields

And very clearly the Imperium doesn't always 100% of the time have enough firepower to bring to bear to deal with all it's situations, otherwise it would have just shoot everything dead already.

It would still tangle them up and possibly make them trip over

Well obviously it wouldn't stop something that is flying

I'm just going to go ahead and ask, have you ever actually read any 40k lore? Because"lol just shoot them" and "lol just use razorwire" are exactly the kinds of arguments you expect from someone who know nothing about the actual setting.

Of course, this is assuming you're the same person as the other earlier anons.

Why do so few people play Daemons?

imo Tyranids look worse yet theres plenty of those guys being used

Stupid idea: maybe the closer you are to a demon the more "real" they are--they need our consciousness and emotions in the warp to survive after all. The more people and the closer they are, the more the demon materializes in reality, so the more it can be hurt. They don't use guns because attacking someone from extreme range means their projectiles aren't as real either.

>be imperial guard general facing Daemonic invasion
>somehow have foreknowledge of it, somehow even gain knowledge of the general location of the summoning because you're more lucky and special then 99% of imperial commanders
>set up barbed wire, trenches and other obstacles, artillery is zoned in, guardsmen have strong defensive positions and clear lines of retreat
>barbed wire and trenches don't do shit, Daemons aren't made of flesh, you just gave them more spiky thing to play with
>initial barrages just disappears into the warp as the Daemons are summoned
>creatures made of magic warp fire have already reached the first defenses
>that big fat one is laughing while 3 heavy bolters unload into him
>artillery is just making that angry looking one with the whip a little angrier
>physical obstacles have 0 effect, artillery barrage just prunes the slower and weaker daemons
>time to pull back, o wait my brain just spawned a nurgling
>artillery can't adequately target the sporadic and random movements of these deamons, and you had time to prepare
>run away
>get shot by inquisition
>with your last breath, curse the faggot that thought using razor wire and conventional military tactics against creatures that can appear anywhere at any time, that don't really believe in the laws of physics, was a good idea

I play daemons but I always lose because I don't use the one or two ways daemons can win...and if I come up against a grey knights army I might as well forfeit

Aren't most blades in 40k mono-molecular? This is a likely reason why they inflict more damage than ballistic or explosive damage.

Too edgy/not-cute for most girls.

because they're edgy and cheesy

>Why do so few people play Daemons?
very little gameplay variety
visually quite stale
miniatures range is incomplete/filled with older sculpts

>tinkin nough dakka cant solve erryting
>tinkin dem spikey gits cant get krumpt wit nough dakka
You ummy gits really gork mah mork erry nah n again

>lol just use razorwire

For the record I'd say that somebody who'd just offhandedly declare Concertina wire's effectiveness out of hand to not actually be very familiar with the stuff and how effective it can be at what it does.

>Literally designed to catch in clothing and slow you down. It ain't gonna do shit to a daemon

Why would that not work aggainst daemons? Tell me, I'm very curious It's function is to slow stuff down by catching onto them. Pic is very much related and is an example of what a charging machine will end up dealing with if it's driver is a dumbfuck.

>barbed wire and trenches don't do shit

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It's simple.
Daemons don't give a shit.

You shoot at them with everything you got, and they chase you down through your trenches, walls, fortifications and traps. And they rip you apart.

Oh and don't forget that you have to deal with warp fuckery and pure insanity. Your soldiers lose their minds and rout. Their sorcerers are more potent than anything you could muster. They appear around you and behind your frontline, fucking up your support.

Actually, what if for say, orks shot a demon to shit, all the orks passing it go
>"dat bout as dakka'd as you could get, aint gettin up"
And the demon ceases to exist?

I guess it depends on how many orks believe that vs how many orks really wanna see the daemon get up again and jump into melee.

>BTFO by everyone in the setting just shooting at them?

tactical deep strike

Holy fuck, "incourage" the dead enemy to fight again, orks get caught up in an endless fight simply drawing more enemies to them, killing them, then believing them back to life. Their dead sinply get "believed" back to life to fight again. This sounds scary and even more fucked than the current state of the universe. ENDLESS war anyone, nonstop?

Skull Cannons, Soul Grinders, Daemon Knights, Slaanesh Subjugators, Silver Towers of Tzeentch, Fire Lords and Doom Wings (daemon fighter jets basically), Plague Hulks, Lords of Battles, Contagions, Plague Towers, Cauldrons of Blood, Towers of Skulls, Death Dealers, Blood Reapers, Brass Scorpions and Doom Blasters (which are fucking daemonic artillery). To name a few things daemons have with guns on them.

A bunch of them fucking fly in one way or another.

They are literally fucking magic and can walk through walls, teleport from nowhere, burst from your buddy's head or wear him like a coat, or just magically mind control people. To say the least. Seeing them makes people go crazy.

Also, they are, again, MAGICAL AND CAN CAST MAGIC SPELLS AT YOU FROM A DISTANCE, WHICH IS THE MAIN WAY TZEENTCHIAN DAEMONS FUCKING ATTACK PEOPLE.

This is a troll thread. Stop responding you morons.

Isn't it that deamon can teleport at will? Bloodthirsters in the Spacemarine game and Dawn of War can teleport for short distance. Surely they can teleport over the barbed wire.

There are official accounts of greater daemons catching tank shells and throwing them back, for instance, my friend. Rules don't apply when physics doesn't.

Have you ever seen the legs on a bloodletter?
They would jump over coils of razorwire like a fucking kangaroo.
While the supernaturally graceful daemonettes wouldn't even need to slow their dancing, flamers float over the top and the ever-shifting balls of warpstuff that are horrors could probably just phase through it.

Sure if you have the time and logistical support you might get enough razorwire and fortifications in place to slow the demons down long enough to bring the arty in (assuming they don't possess your own side or warp in through a crack in your temple) in which case ... good. Now do it again. And again. And again until the portal's closed+the cultists executed, or you're dead.
And if you survive that ... You won. Congrats commander. Here's a medal. Get ready for the next campaign.

>Conventional military tactics
>Using trenches when they have been outdated ever since the end of the first war

>And if you survive that ... You won. Congrats commander. Here's a medal. Get ready for the next campaign.
Correction.
And if you survive that ... You won. Congrats commander. Here's the Inquisition. Get ready for the purging.

T. guardsman who has never seen a great unclean one simply roll over landmines and artillery and completely dissolve their supposedly well prepared defense line
>the entire point of demons is to be so strong and so fast, that their medieval weaponry is deadly even to guns of the future
>but no actually, we can just shoot the mostly bulletproof monsters to death
>we can just hit the super fast teleporting demons with artillery
the demons are not unbeatable, unless you are on a daemon world, but they will tear through the defences of anything short of a well fortified bastion easily but they are just as deadly as any army
not to mention crap like the bloodthirster can easily fly over your defenses and smash a tank like cardboard, or deepstriking demons destroying key artillery positions, or (if the unadulterated BS that was re-rollable 2++ saves were canon) simply ignoring a nuclear missile

Supplies and ground are valuable, saying bodies are a dime a dozen is an understatement.

>Another user that doesnt understand 40k is a total war scenario

Are you retarded or trolling? What part of ''semi-corporeal reality warping entities that ignore the laws of physics'' don't you understand? People have explained this to you very politely several times, either you're trolling or you're just stupid. Here's what's gonna happen to your wire
>the daemon will teleport around it
>the daemon will just phase through it
>the daemon's strength and invulnerability will allow it to completely ignore it and just tear it to shreds with its movements
>the daemon's flame/plagues will melt/corrode it into nothingness
>the daemon will pick it up and use it as a creative weapon, possibly infusing it with some warp essence
>the daemon will literally animate it and now your troops have to face sentient daemonic barbed wire along with fucking daemons

>the daemon will literally animate it and now your troops have to fuck sentient daemonic barbed wire with a face
ftfy

>the daemon will pick it up and use it as a creative weapon, possibly infusing it with some warp essence
and that is how the lash of torment was discovered

The daemon will teleport around it

>The daemon used a teleport it could have used otherwise to attack something.

>the daemon will just phase through it.

Only some deamons can do that.

>The daemon's strength and invulnerability will allow it to completely ignore it and just tear it to shreds with its movements.

See pic related. You are vastly understating the effectiveness of the wires if you think they'd just ignore it all together.

>the daemon's flame/plagues will melt/corrode it into nothingness

They stuck around and used their magic powers on some wires to get past it. aka the wire served it's purpose and delayed the enemy advance.

>the daemon will pick it up and use it as a creative weapon, possibly infusing it with some warp essence

Any C-wire worth it's salt will be secured into the ground with pikesand tied up with something sequre. It's not Coming out of the ground without a fight delaying the advance and giving more time for bombardment. that's the main purpose after all.

>the daemon will literally animate it and now your troops have to face sentient daemonic barbed wire along with fucking daemons

I concede. Animated Concertina wire would fuck up any army big time. There's no counter that can reasonably be applied. we be fucked.

>real life.
Because the things that are in 40k are in real life.

Daemons are basically parts of their given god's very essence. They just join him.

Demons are pretty cool and edgy, they are in fact ranged weapons themselves, since manifesting in real world is a hell of a ride.
still shitty though

they might simply slice through the wire without missing a beat
and if the wire counts as dangerous terrain then they might simply adapt their tactics, they are a lot more cunning then the orks

Well, fuck. We should wrap all imperial worlds for some kind of demonproof razor wire balls for hugeass cozmic playfull deites.
We shoul commit it to the fresh codex

if razor wire is so tank resistant, why the hell do we build tank traps or dragons teeth?

I dunno. Peasants.

Daemonic flesh is tougher than modern rank armor. They don't have treads to get tangled, and even if they did get tangled daemons are stronger than flimsy metal. Even so, being slowed down by terrain is already a factor in the game rules. Being slowed down doesn't stop the relentless march of nurgle's host.

>>The daemon used a teleport it could have used otherwise to attack something
Because cooldowns are a thing outside of the game.
>> Only some deamons can do that
And those will.
>See pic related. You are vastly understating the effectiveness of the wires if you think they'd just ignore it all together.
Because legs=threads. Right. Imagine i wrapped your legs in extremely thin thread and you just ripped them with your normal steps without losing a beat. That's what would happen.
>They stuck around and used their magic powers on some wires to get past it. aka the wire served it's purpose and delayed the enemy advance
>a lot of demons have those things passively, otherwise it takes them literally half a second to do it and they can do it on the move
>>Any C-wire worth it's salt will be secured into the ground with pikesand tied up with something sequre. It's not Coming out of the ground without a fight delaying the advance and giving more time for bombardment. that's the main purpose after all.
Because the super strong, physics ignoring horrors can't just rip/melt parts of it or use tk or just rip the whole thing out of the ground effortlessly

Tuska Daemon-Killa is literally fighting an endless tide of daemons, getting killed, and being brought back to life every day. Only difference is it's Khorne doing it, because he approves of the boyz endless battle-lust.

>I concede. Animated Concertina wire would fuck up any army big time. There's no counter that can reasonably be applied. we be fucked.

This guy is a true master in the art.

With that said He's right about C-wires barrios being a incredibly effective military tactic for it's niche function. it'll fuck up a charging horde of screaming bezerkers big time and would catch up a large creature if it tried to run it's way through

this is, of course assuming cylindrical demons in a vacuum

if the demon overlord controlling them is a WAAC player, he would easily utilize crap like juggernauts and skull cannons to clear a path through obstacles, use teleporting demons or CSMs to destroy artillery before it fires, and utilize blood thirsters to fly straight up to the firing lines to destroy armor and cause havoc, while the bloodletters arrive through every opening possible

while demons are not totally unstoppable, neither are they totally weak either

Are there any Khorne daemons who think going full melee is retarded and focus mainly on skull cannons and other big, loud guns? Pretty sure Khorne loves ranged weapons in this setting and has no issue with them

Even if no one else laughed, I laughed, user.

Pretty much what happens when daemons invade a world, except there usually aren't Necrons to bail you out

As it has been repeated through the thread: most of them are absurdly strong, quick, and/or tough, they arrive primarily by deepstriking (either through direct summonings, or if the planet is spoopy enough by just tearing their way into the real world), and unless you're Astartes or have BALLS OF STEEL™, you'll be taking constant sanity and morale checks while engaging them. And all while this is happening, there are decent chances that there are plenty of cultists nearby, or that you and/or your allies might embrace Chaos first.

The reason daemons don't regularly steamroll planets is because it actually takes quite a bit of work for cults and sorcerers to create conditions for mass summoning. This is why Chaos cults and sorcerers usually spend years working their way into the local population, weakening the veil around the planet, and getting everything set up. That way, once everything is set up, they can bull-rush the planet with tons of daemons that'll give even the Imperium's best a run for their money.

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this teleport bullshit is seriously the weakest "fluff" justification imaginable. so why dont they just teleport immediately inside the enemy army and tear it to peices with their claws without a shot fired? if that's how this universe works why would anyone bother arming themselves?

>this is OP's best idea to stop daemons
HAHAHAHAH

A single Greater Daemon killed a moon full of tyranids, didn't it? I remember you guys talking about it.

>Drach'nyen aka the End of Empires aka Echo of the First Murder
>It's a daemon that was born when the first sentient human murdered his fellow man in cold blood
>This act, Its birth, is THE defining moment of mankind. It's when humanity's destiny was sealed
>As it was born, it reached out into the minds of all mankind. Every man, woman, and child that live, lived, and will live felt its touch as it tainted mankind across time and space
>Truly, a daemon of Chaos Undivided. It's kindred with all the daemons of Four and yet it stands apart. Wherever it goes, it will find a home each and everyone of the Four Powers
>It can sense anyone who shed blood no matter who or what it is. Machine or flesh. They are its prey. It hunts those who committed murder and feasts on their souls and flesh
>It can shapeshift into anything. From the tornado of claws and jaws to microscope bacteria
>It can mass possess machines and humans. Even titans were possessed by it and made its plaything However, it cannot possess the Custodes or the Sisters of Silences, these hated enemies it just slaughtered.
>It hunts the Emperor seeing his destruction and the fall of his empire as its singular purpose
>So strong its connection to mankind that Emperor was vulnerable to its lethal violence. Where it wounded him it sucked out his soul. Its destruction or banishment was something beyond the Emperor
>The Emperor fooled into imprisoning itself inside a Custodes who then fled as far as he can from the Emperor to protect he Emperor from the daemon meant to kill him.

Picture related.

What can you do to defeat this daemon.

Hard mode : You can't bring Pariahs into this.

OP clearly never saw Zulu Dawn.
Dindus with spears fucked up Englishmen with guns.

>so why dont they just teleport immediately inside the enemy army and tear it to peices with their claws without a shot fired?
That's exactly what they do.

Affix bayonets!

I dont getit

The ruler had a horrible horrible death, user. come on, not even him but the text is literally right there. The ruler was a madman.

lol just set up razor wire dude

They have magic. Literally.

Pariah would only hide you.
As for defeating it: Pray, maybe big E and or Omnissiah can bail you out.

>What can you do to defeat this daemon.
Put it in a sword. The bearer won't ever win anything again =^)