Would a dwarf be able to replicate a shotgun with just typical medieval tools...

he would probably do it and add about 1000 magical runes to it and make it prettier too

This is why I like Changeling: The Lost, since in Arcadia, "The fairie realm," things don't work by the laws of physics, but symbolism and contracts.

So when somebody tries to do something like that, they have a better chance if they clap their hands and believe than working up a full schematic.

A front loaded smoothbore shotgun is essentially a smaller handcannon so sure, go ahead.

Just stuff some sharp metal into a boomstick and light it. Instant fantasy shotgun.

Breechloading weapons were around in the 1500's, a double-barrelled breech-loading blunderbuss would be possible.

Captain Kirk managed to make one out of bamboo and minerals in a few hours, so you should be fine.

Can he make a tube and tap a whole in the back? If so he can make a shotgun. It will be a fuse lit afair but I dont want to stand infront of it

Yes. Dwarves can forge anything with anything.

Once a dwarf made a nuclear warhead out of a seashell.

My style for that is "is my character of an engineering mindset? If yes, how would they use what is available according to the game and DM to create new ways of doing things?"
And then I convert the inventing rules from GURPS to see if my character can make the leap of logic required to even conceive of the idea. Most of the time, it should be inventions that are not immediately useful to adventurers, and are more useful in ordinary life.
Best items I ever made with that? a self-heating stovetop and a chest enchanted with ray of frost (portable freezer baby!).

>jealous brainlets spotted

Guns work fine in fantasy, just not in D&D most of the time

Out of the five members in my group, three are engineers. One is more of a gamer than a roleplayer, but overall we're quite good with it.

DC 35

Just refluff them as bows for those interested.

I literally just watched a video featuring early 20th century blacksmiths hand forging a gun barrel.

youtu.be/AFrZulegvFs

Seeing this, there is no reason why a Dwarven Master Blacksmith wouldn't be able to make some sort of gun with the right plans and materials.

This assumes you have some sort of plans, of course, assuming they haven't been pulled out of your ass.

i dunno a blunderbuss is similar to a shotgun and was made with tools from the late middle ages.

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Dwarves forge better than humans and humans forged guns in an age before factories.

Crossbows with Dext to damage.

Most fantasy relies on people being historic illiterates.

Does plate armor make sense without guns around?

Sharp pointy things hurt, so yes.

Plate armor only exist because guns and longbows became a thing.

>In other words, they are western katana faggots
Truly. With guns in a pre-industrial setting ammo would be a SERIOUS concern (where you can just make arrows with shit you find laying around ezpz), unless your gun is the "extremely inaccurate early shotgun" variety. You've either got old guns that were shit, modern guns that are extremely effective but you're gonna have to use them like once a year or they become dead weight, or in between guns that are gonna be tight on ammo AND effective but not as effective as modern guns. All the while a mage can do pretty much anything a gun can do but better and a guy with an axe is gonna logically be (even) more lethal than any single bullet assuming both get a solid hit to the viscera. Any real argument is guns vs bows, but bows can win even there for various reasons.

What are some good dwarven curses?

Um, no.

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Bows are not that much more accurate than guns. The priority was never dexterity, but pierce armor. Even when it comes to range they are not that different. You never fire at the maximum range unless you are skirmishing. You hold your fire until the enemy is close so you have more chances of causing a shock.

Guns are the reason plate armour fell out of favour dude.

You are wrong. Plate armor achieved its peak during their race vs guns. All these full plate armors are a thing of the late mediaval period up, renaissance up to early modern.

Bows have a larger, slower projectile, so you can see amd adjust your trajectory more effectively.

Yes, and its peak wasn't good enough. It lost that race.

>Yes, and its peak wasn't good enough. It lost that race.

In the late 17th century...

Um. No.

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>how did the guy who invented guns invent guns without guns already existing
>how did the guy who invented computers invent computers if computers didnt exist yet.
ya see the problem here?

>current era
>still using AD and BC

>"hey cannons are pretty good, what if we made a small one that only took out one dude at a time but you could carry it in your pocket?"
shit dude you only got 1 int

>durr why can't *I* be the one to develop an incredibly volitile and complex technology that required multiple generations and expertise in multiple fields such as chemistry and metallurgy, in just a few weeks while also travelling on the road and not in a well-funded lab?

I want to hunt dragons with an artillery battery.

>guns
>complex

>complex
Yeah, nah, guns are many things but this ain't one of them. Gunpowder has existed for so long it's almost crazy to not assume it's in the setting unless the GM specifically says otherwise, after that a gun is just a tube, a handle, and a fuse.

IIRC the first recorded instances of guns were in the hands of chinese mercenaries that made simple handheld shrapnel cannons designed to fire arrows, and used them in a political assassination. These were no more complex than a long, narrow cauldron of iron with some powder tamped into the bottom lit by a match (in other words, they were just miniature cannons).

If your setting has black powder or an equivalent explosive, and especially if it already has cannons, handcannons are not a stretch. Not saying the hero should be able to pull a modern assault rifle out of his ass here, just that a firearm is not the crazy and bizarre technology you seem to think it is. The only reason they weren't developed much, much sooner is that bows were better in almost all situations.

>a gun is a tube, a handle and a fuse
Spotted the armchair medieval experts. I hope you try it trying to justify your character to a DM with common sense and watch your hands get blown off

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Bruv, I've made gun with PVC pipe and an electric trigger. It didn't blow up, I still have two hands and ten fingers.

I get it, you think guns are pseudo-magical super science, but they aren't. A few ounces of saltpeter and charcoal aren't gonna do shit to a reinforced cast-iron tube.

>breech-loading blunderbuss
i dont think you understand what a blunderbuss is.

Jesus christ this guy is an idiot. Swords were invented, almost literally, everywhere. Gunpowder was invented once, by accident. Firearms being delayed by a few centuries makes sense under any kind of metric.

History is a series of events pushed by entropy, disease, and hunger. Assuming gunpowder is invented and propagated in any setting is making just as many assumptions as the opposite.

no matter how good he is at working metal, he would be limited by the material at his disposal
even the best medieval steel, worth its weight in gold, would not be sufficiently tough to make a gun barrel or its mechanisms

he will also need tools that dont exist yet, like the ability to make a perfectly cylindrical steel tube, with a perfectly bored hole in the middle, lathes and drills at the time simply were not hard enough or precise enough

on the topic of precision, he has no tools to measure his work well enough, calipers and rulers are simply not good enough, which is not acceptable if you want mechanisms that dont jam

>even the best medieval steel, worth its weight in gold, would not be sufficiently tough to make a gun barrel or its mechanisms

What about Mithril or other dwarven metals?

Wrong.

The question is if a blacksmith could make a gun.

The answer is yes. Who do you think made them to begin with?

Would a character in any given setting have enough of a grasp the physical interactions that make a gun work? Depends.

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i was just answering the OPs question
modern shotgun and medieval tools

he would have no problem making an arquebus, a napoleonic musket, or a breechloader if he isnt worried about the metalwork seizing up

It would largely depend on the level of metallurgy available. If only low quality steel & iron were around, then at best you could make cannon & hand cannon, matchlocks. Possibly flintlocks or caplocks but that would also depend on other factors.

If higher quality steel/mithril were available, everyhing up to early to mid 19th century firearms should be possible. Cartridge firing guns & smokeless powder probably would not be economical in most pseudo medieval settings.

Of course, in a setting with magic you could just say that gun powder doesn't work.

Standing on the shoulders of giants and all that jazz.
There is long way from black powder to shotgun and similarly from Pascal's calculator and Babbage's difference and analytical engine to modern computer .

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>changing from one arbitrary term to another because of 'muh athiesm.'

It's not like the dates actually change, it's just some preppy twerps getting bent out of shape over some dated terminology.

How modern shotgun? Blunderbuss, break action, lever action, bolt action, pump action, semi or full auto?

Shotguns aren't complicated at all, so sure you can make a shotgun.

Good luck trying to make the ammo, that's never gonna happen.

Some break action thing in a large caliber like 6-8 Gauge would work.
I'd let that happen if the player made a good explanation as to why he'd just invent blackpowder.

Yeah okay your unwashed murderhobo ass is going to build a zip gun out of a hobnail, a bowstring, and a bit of metal pipe that you had for some reason.

Now tell me where you're gonna find cartridges to load it with. You retard.

>This is why I like Changeling: The Lost, since in Arcadia, "The fairie realm," things don't work by the laws of physics, but symbolism and contracts.
Seems like Changeling would be terrible to play with lawyers then.

For the record, the kind of gun he would produce is not the kind of thing you would imagine when you think of a shotgun, with small, neat, precision-made cartridges. It'd be the sort of thing where you have to pour powder and grapeshot into the muzzle, pack it in with a rod, and then probably use some kind of match to set it off.

I think, mostly it depends on the setting. For example, in Warhammer Fantasy they fit perfect in, because the world is more renaissance/medieval times. In for example, a world like the elder scrolls, which would be Antique/Medieval times, that would be really strange.

That was a fleshlight user. Because there weren't any alien chicks on that planet for Kirk to get sweaty with.

Yes see warhammer grudge raker, literally grape shot in a hand cannon.

Just put a handful of metal junk in a pipe with a compression lever and a small exploding crystal. Make it suck on long distances.

>dat explanation
>dat old-ass illustration with "chain mail" as a label
Roit. It's not like plate armour is more lightweight and protective than coat of plates while being easier to maintain, it's not like some smiths got better at shaping plates, it's not like they got more quality steel, it's all dem hand-cannons which forced people from embrace of the glorious mail.

>implying medieval iron resists sudden tensile loads better than thick PVC
Cast iron is brittle with non-uniform structure full of stress accumulators which crack easily under pressure. PVC is much more resilient.
Why the fuck do you think proper cannons (as opposed to the "fuck you I'm gonna explode at any moment" cannons) were made of bronze, to show off?

The fucking Mongols used guns in 1260. Medieval smiths could make guns.

Guns existed in medieval, the problem is that they fucking sucked until the late Ren period.

They were expensive, had a long loading time, and were inaccurate plus sometimes they blew up in your fucking hands if you weren't trained meaning the troops you gave them to were professional soldiers.

They were used however. Mostly by the guards at large cities where you could have a fixed point to defend.

For TES you wouldn't see them hardly at all in Skyrim, but in the Imperial City and Kvatch guards at entrances would have them.

Your problem isn't with engineers, your problem is with autistic engineers. I hate when people try to do all that shit in a game and I am an engineer

Yeah, but it took centuries for small arms to become powerful enough to pierce plate.

>cartridges
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why are you moving the goalposts

>Fuck. Engineers.
If more people did, we wouldn't have this problem.

/threading your own post is like high fiving yourself in public. Except more retarded.

Which is sad because you make good points.

Ask them to stab themselves in the face hard with a shuriken or a dagger if they think the damage dice for fantasy guns are too low.

That should satisfy their bullshit.

nope

that Dwarf would need to start a long journay of making tools to make better tool for the crouple hundred years before he could make a modern shotgun and ammo

but he could make a blunderbuss with almost no problem

as for the recoil more then a human

ffs, you could have wooden cannons, the chinese did. nobody said anything about reliability.
also, how much did you ever take courses in metallurgy? cause bronze, too is brittle af.

>as for the recoil more then a human

What does that mean? Do dwarves recoil at the sight of a human?

well humans are ugly to dwarven standards so probably

>how do context and reading?
he means to say that a dwarf could take more recoil than a human before falling over.

>as for the recoil more then a human
>then
>no problem making a blunderbuss, more recoil then a human...
what? who?
in no way is any context in his post describing what you just interpreted. not that I say your interpretation is wrong, it may as well be what he tried to say (albeit it isn't what I interpreted his post as;
>a dwarven blunderbuss supposedly has more recoil than a human-made one)

Law students should be required to play a continuous game of C:tL throughout their time at school with a really anal retentive autistic GM who take detailed notes of every contract they make.

read the OP, he went through and answered each question one after another.
>How high of a calibur gun should a dwarf be able to use before the recoil knocks him on his ass?
>as for the recoil more then a human

well fuck me, I'm sorry.
its been a few hours since I've read the OP and I've been doing other stuff inbetween.
It actually does make sense, I take it all back. All but pointing out the typo.

I game with a couple engineers. One's a great player, the other less so.