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So he's the bad guy, right?

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Bad guy is subjective in 40k.

If you play anyone besides non-chaos humans. Yes.

ADB pls. Emperor and Malcy boy are the definition of heroes.
>tfw no book about Malcador and Emperor bro-ing up and doing gurren-lagann-tier shit
>tfw the day comes when He rises again from his throne

Everyone's a bad guy in 40k, That's seems to be the whole point.

The endless mountains of corpses left in their wake says otherwise. He's not a good guy by any stretch and while not the evilest evil to ever evil in 40k, he was still all about getting his and fuck anyone that wouldn't bow and scrape at humanity's feet. Since he happens to exist in 40k, where *everyone* is a piece of shit, he's simply just as evil as everyone else.

everyone is the bad guy. That's the point.

In theory. In practice, whoever this particular story's writers don't like is the bad guy.

In 40k there's only bad guys and less bad guys

>corpses of violent orks and other xenos that want to destroy mankind

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As opposed to xenos leaving the corpses of violent humans that want to destroy their kind. The random xenos species slatted for extermination have as much 'right' to want to exterminate humans and follow through on that as humans do. 40k has no good guys.

There is no such thing as good or evil.

Those peaceful xenos should be blaming the violent xenos, not humanity.

I don't think you've even read any fluff. Do you know just how many xenos species backstabbed mankind? ALL OF THEM. Your so called random xenos don't even fucking exist. Name ONE fucking species.

The emperor is an avatar of Malal
He creates and strengthens chaos and in his armies' attempts to destroy it.

How are you defining "bad"?

In 40K and Fantasy, Chaos is evil. Not the "bad guy", just plain old evil. Everyone else is just trying to survive.

Consider this: If humanity lives in a universe where *every* xenos backstabs everyone, then every other xenos that humanity has met/will meet must also live in that universe. Humanity no longer gives xenos the chance for peaceful interaction for fear of the inevitable betrayal and so strikes first. Xenos no longer give other xenos the chance for peaceful interaction for fear of the inevitable betrayal and so strike first. Humanity is now just another xenos empire that will use, abuse and then discard whatever new race it encounters if it doesn't just eliminate it from the get go. Whatever survives will learn the lesson that xenos(humans included) are not to be trusted for betrayal is a guarantee. Humanity isn't somehow better, it's just the fucking same as every other xenos and more than willing to throw the lot of them into the fire, just like every other xenos. There. Are. No. Good. Guys.

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If you are some edgy, idiot child or man child, who can't stand the idea of doing ANYTHING that anyone else tells or suggests you do, for your own benefit, JUST BECAUSE they told you to do it, then yes. He is the enemy.
Then you eventually grow up, realize you don't know everything, and actually live in the real world. And you realize he is the good guy after all.

Non humans and humans who are a liability have no ethical rules for treatment

No, but he's a prick, a self conceited bastard. And now that he achieved godhood, a divine prick.

Exactly! Non [Insert My Species] and [Insert My Species] who are a liability have no ethical rules for treatment.

Everyone besides best boy, his chapter and allied races.

>Unification Wars comprised of battles so over the top that most historians consider it all alegory.
>Tales of personal duels where blows cleaved mountain tops.
>Lightning Bearer says it was all true.
Unification Wars confirmed for TTGL

Just finished Master of Mankind. Big E came off as very pragmatic. I don't think he's evil.

Fucker probably created the Chaos gods, so yes.

>NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY.
>WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US.

Nah, he's the good guy. Good guy emperor, giving us all space travel and protecting our souls from the evils that lurk there until we are ready to protect ourselves.

But user, he didn't tell the Primarchs everything ever about what he was doing! And he didn't even give those demigod lords of war hugs like a father is supposed to!

No, he was just Space-King-Hitler-Jesus in a setting where you're supposed to be able to pick any side impartially, but then Writers and Marketing decided to play favorites and make Humanity the "winners" which led to the bullshit we're at now.

Also Tau should just have never existed.

Remember kids, always keep your development team in charge of developing, and never let Marketing and Accounting do the creative work.

The Tau were designated for elimination before they could even get off their homeworld.

Found the cuck.

"NOTHING THAT SAFEGUARDS HUMANITY CAN BE EVIL, NOT EVEN THE MOST STRENUOUS INHUMANITY. IF THE HUMAN RACE FAILS IT HAS FAILED FOREVER."

I don't care if it's probably no longer canon, Inquisition War has the best portrayal of the Emperor.

what the edge there faggot.

Tau were supposed to just be an example of what sort of xeno civilizations the empire discovers and then genocides on a daily basis.

Not really, the imperium is pretty cartoonishly evil outside of a dan abnett novels.
Only things worse than living under the imperium is being captured by the dark eldar or the possibly chaos, all other factions would treat you nicely, leave you alone, or at least have the decency to kill you quickly.

depends on the planet

The Emperors ideal was to create swaths of advanced worlds. He never got past the "kill everyone else in the way" stage though

Your post make me wonder if Craftworld Eldar blame particular figures in the old Eldar empire for the Fall. Do Eldar have their own bad guys besides Khaine? Historical figures they curse and hate?

It depends on the planet, and even there it especially depends on the local rulers, not the imperium at large.

The only real inhumanity of the Imperium is the psykers treatement, and even then it's because they are walking (or flying) human bombs.

>Your post make me wonder if Craftworld Eldar blame particular figures in the old Eldar empire for the Fall

Yes, they call them Dark Eldar

remember that Old Empire Nobility is a legit origin for a DE Archon

From a certain point of view, yes.

'e gotta be to make all dem tinkan gitz and humiez obey him. Da biggest, da baddest and da best.

He was actually a pretty good guy, its the perversion of his legacy into the exact opposite of his vision that is the collective "bad guy."

The true reason behind fall were haemonculi.

chat shit get banged

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Honestly I've always found cartoonishly evil to be the only practical way of running any kind of interstellar empire. Distances are to great, you could have entire systems revolt and turn themselves into fiefdoms and have no idea for 40-50 years while they stock up on soldiers and weapons. Supply shipment hiccups very well could mean the death of whole planets, not just thousands but billions. The logistics of such a huge empire are too variable to not rule with autocratic authority, and despite knowing this planets are allowed to act however they want as long as its in line with the Imperial Truth and tithes are met, because its' just wwwaayyyyy to much to handle, even by planets worth of bookkeepers.

I remember reading something about how the galaxy was full of intelligent life, but FTL isn't possible in any way, and despite many attempts by all kinds of aliens, there was just no way to keep peace over such a distance and time without fear and distrust growing between the empires (the distance and time even made waging any kind of war more or less impossible as well, as waiting decades for your soldiers to show up for a fight wasn't very viable). The Great Silence exits because every species capable of space travel realizes there's no practical way to maintain relationships with other aliens.

The Warp gets around this problem in a sense, but the WH40K universe makes it very clear how bad shit gets when it takes the Navy time to respond (whole planets gone to shit), imagine if it took 40 years to get somewhere rather than a month.

Unfortunately for us, the technology to utterly destroy an entire planet virtually anywhere in the galaxy has existed for 40+ years. There wouldn't need to be any boots on the ground if the goal was simply extermination.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_kill_vehicle

Humans go to space.
Space is full of niggers behaving like niggers.
40,000 years later, humans have descended to the level of the nigger to fight the niggers, everyones a nigger.

>The only real inhumanity of the Imperium is the psykers treatement, and even then it's because they are walking (or flying) human bombs.
My personal headcanon is that fear of psykers is ingrained on genetic level in human population in 40k as the result of natural selection. Most of the Imperium population are descendants of ancient humans who killed their local psykers during the Age of Strife before they exploded and dragged everybody into Hell. Rare few exceptions are treated as openminded soon-to-be heretics.

I wrote a short story in High School about a malfunctioning AI in the Andromeda galaxy that started hurtling asteroids at every possible planet that harbored life (its original goal was to fling comets at planets to spread water and speed up life but the aliens that built it died and it went waywire).

For the last couple million years or so it's been throwing these continent sized rocks at planets, and they're all in transit, and eventually they're all gonna start making impact with all the targets chosen and cause an unintentional galactic genocide.

That depends - are you incapable of getting over your daddy issues?

What happened to the Hydra anyway?

>literal incarnation of the fascist atheist white male shadow government

No shit he's the bad guy Sherlock.

Don't forget that he is also homophobic and transphobic. Slaanesh being considered evil and all. Hope they make Slaanesh and Tau the good guys and the main focus

He's a Conan barbarian who lived too long to become a recluse, miss out and accidentally fuck earth over with his own misuse of his powers, who then came up with the brilliant idea of having mankind overpopulate everything because of a few colonies we managed to set up after we wasted the earth.

Then he went into Warpsimular30k on Moloch and got a much uneeded power boost, made a bunch of kids for no reason because he already had living heirs he could never check on for whatever reason, let alone sense, lost the kids, got them back but didn't pay much attention to them because he was so busy doing everything ever, setting them on warpath.

He's not bad, but given his aim to unite mankind under an Imperium so we wouldn't ever worry about external threats we couldn't possibly fight against alone and splintered, is just there's nothing wrong with that, mayhap, for his piss-poor approach to Chaos and reasonable compromises with aliens, because again, he's fucking Conan in a power suit, and is somewhat, dumb or at least lacking in wisdom that he doesn't pilfer from others using his powers.

Remember that Eldar/Manplanet? Yeah, that was a waste, fucking hell the fuck were you thinking that because it was a single planet that they couldn't ease up to you, and instead "Fucking kill them all Vulkan" they could have been a valuable asset as a way to breach relations with Eldar, but nooooooo...

Meanwhile, Guliman at least get's the idea that alliances are fucking important, even if they don't come to fruition first thing, Emps basically missed the 21st century and didn't get our desire for Spess and Ayy Lmao Exceeded his "I'm so perfect euphoria" because he expected his fellow man to be on his paragon level.

Then there's the Imperial Decor, just fucking no, I get some of it is cultural, but holy fuck it's a waste of resources in general, If Nagash issued necromancy is introduced in 40k then every Imperial city is compromised, servitors, preserved dead, the works.

Basically, he wants the Order and stability for mankind to flourish but doesn't tackle issues from a more diplomatic standpoint, and his presentation and lack of detailing himself didn't help, at any fucking point he could have said he was the final paragon and exemplar of human evolution but he didn't, and he never ever fucking addressed anyone, Especially the like of Lorgar on that issue, nevermind the fact that even if he went around uniting all of mankind, he sure as shit didn't polish out the distribution of culture, social norms and history to the respective planets he visited, you know how on our earth we have cultures and shit? Yeah, try to get all of that to mesh from planet earth all the way to mercury or some shit about how it all fits together, then contemplate that on a cosmic scale.

Also, I really think he should have entrusted a single son with the knowledge of Chaos to at least safeguard and watch over the rest before properly disclosing it in a straightforward manner, you know the Great Crusade and everything.

And his dialect? That was also an issue, great golden towering giant with a holier-than thou accent riding a cathedral ship from the sky? No, humble yourself you gaudy cunt, there was a time where Terrans liked to recycle and concerve their shit instead of rape a world into a desert with what amounts to metal anthills.

Nah, not necessarily. He's just an idiot.

Yes

He's not a bad guy.
He's not a good guy.
He's The Guy.

Kinda like Communism.

Well, yeah.

Totalitarian regimes led by a single autocratic leader with a cult of personality, claiming that only by adherance to his grand plan and rigid doctrinal purity can humanity be saved?

No shit it's like communism.

>Honestly I've always found cartoonishly evil to be the only practical way of running any kind of interstellar empire.

This is only the case where FTL travel isn't possible.

None of the logistical problems in 40K exist in Star Wars, for example, because it only takes a couple of days to go from one end of the galaxy to the other. It literally took Palpatine less time to get from Couracant, a core-world, to Mustafar, an outer-rim planet, then it would take for our fastest boats to travel around the globe.

But yes, in 40K it's true that to a certain extent any Empire has to be autocratic. Or at least function in a manner that accepts that it will never have total control over all the systems within its folds. A loose federation of all the planets in the galaxy would probably work better then a full-blown Empire.

Didn't mean to say not possible. Meant to say "where FTL travel isn't advanced enough".