Having a debate with my friends, of who would win between Orkz and Daleks

Having a debate with my friends, of who would win between Orkz and Daleks.

I feel like, if the theory that the Tyranids are running from something, and that something being Orkz in the rest of the universe, and all the Orkz united, they would be able to beat the daleks.

Due the nature of a time travel show it comes down to 'Which Daleks?'

Genesis of the Daleks? Tough but not that tough and lacking a lot of nasty things from later.

Time War Daleks? They'd shit over most other groups.

Assuming Dalek armour and Weaponry are around Necron Tier, enough Orks would probably come out on top. Enough shots would be lucky enough to get the eyestalks.

Granted IIRC we dont really know how the Daleks would deal with a horde, the largest on screen opposing force I can remember is the Cybus Cybermen, who are completely different in tactics from Orks.

>Time War Daleks? They'd shit over most other groups.
Chaos Gods would wreck them, as would anything with magic.

Not this shit again.
The Time Lords posed a threat to DW's equivalent to the Old Ones, posed a threat to the ancient universe before it had the laws of physics, invented the very laws of physics and enforced them, and the Daleks are one of the only species who actually threatened them with extinction.
Granted, those are Time War Daleks.

Are Time War daleks the be-all end-all sci fi force? Would they beat Q?

They're Q tier. idk about toe-to-toe fighting though...

Fuck Q, how would they fair fighting the Xeelee?

The Time Lords considered destroying time, and all of reality with it, an acceptable and viable method of beating them. And the war only ends because in the moment the Daleks have the Time Lords home planet of Gallifrey completely surrounded the various incarnations of the Doctor move it outside the Universe, causing the fleet to annhiliate itself.

Time War Daleks are absolutely the Top Tier of Sci Fi armies. Even if they are somehow beaten in battle they'd just Time Travel back before it and find a way to win.

>get every ork to think dalekz suck
>dalekz suck
>orkz win
gg no re

Every ork ever thinks Dalek is trash can. Dalek is now trash can.

Dubs aside, Orks already think all humies suck, and yet the greenskins still lose to them.

>greenskins
>lose
Orkses is never defeated in battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fighting so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!

Daleks have lost most of their time travel technology since the time war So the orks have a fair chance

>Orkz realize Daleks are really just wired into the exosuit
>Re-engineer the Killa Kans as Dalek suits
>ORKZTERMINATE

Laffin at 40shitters lil babby universe every single day

Nope. Daleks will simply destroy the Immaterium. That dimension no longer exists. The Chaos Gods are powerless to stop this, and its 100% within the ability of the Daleks to do.

The entire universe in Doctor Who has been destroyed and put back together TWICE in the past 4 seasons, with a narrowly averted third time under 'Attempted Erasure of a Multiverse".

40k doesnt operate on their level. At all.

Depends which daleks though.

True. But sending the weaker versions of Daleks at a problem is basically setting up the fight with one of the contestants having one hand tied behind their back.

If you can only beat your enemy at their weakest, its hardly much of a victory. If we are setting the stipulation of early gen Daleks, why not likewise set the stipulation of 'Calm Warp' Chaos, where the entirety of Khorne can be summed up as a single slightly above average Bloodthirster with no followers?

Then the vagueness has to cleared up. There is no answer to this question until the exact loadouts of both forces are stated.

It's a question about a good deal more than conventional technology and firepower. It's also a question about themes, and lessons they might try to instill on us.

In their respective universes, the Orks can be a high level threat if given attention, but more often than not play a second fiddle to Chaos or Tyranids. Daleks, conversely, are invariably the most dangerous and perilous force in any story they emerge, putting fear into all other races - even the Time Lords.

Doctor Who is a show that's all about smarts, cunning, weird plans, and ultimately, peace and better future. Daleks exemplify this: nothing has ever beaten them in a direct show of force
Warhammer 40k, meanwhile, is a dark scifi parody with its roots in 2000AD and many other darker stories of the time. Its lessons, if it has any at all, would relate to the cruelty of the world and how sometimes you just need to laugh at it. Orks are the closest thing passing as a comic relief in this world, and the only thing you can do about them is to kill them all and burn the spores.

If the battle takes place in the setting of Doctor Who, taking up on that show's themes, then the Daleks are certain to win. They'll come up with some bullshit to deal with anything Orks can throw at them, and the only hope the greenskins have is if the Doctor shows up as well to save them.

If they fight in the 40k universe, Orks might have a good shot at winning, because they're funnier and have an actual personality and something they satirize, while the Daleks are basically just another set of metal Nazis for them to beat around.

On neutral ground, though, I'd say the Daleks have superior technology, enough to beat back the vast numbers of the Orks.

>UNDERRATED! UNDERRATED!

Daleks are funnier than Xeelee therefore they will win due thicker plot armor and narrativium powered weapons.

You forget the reality warping power of the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH

How many universes have the Xeelee destroyed?

About equal to the similar power of the Daleks and their bizarre high technology. Whichever applies depends entirely on who has the home advantage.

Question is, would The Doctor be able to handle the Orks?

Of course his plot powers mean he would, but its fun to theorize.

>Orks already think all humies suck
Not true.

It's more like Orks are just straight up baffled by the irrational and pointless tasks humans do (LOOKING AT YOU MECHANICUS! I AM NOT SAYING TWENTY-FIVE THRONE-DAMNED PRAYERS JUST TO TURN ON A SIMPLE MACHINE!). The Orkish term for humans is a byword among the greenskins for things which are silly, pointless or impractical.

Orks 'losing' (in the human sense) might also have something to do with Orks seeing the Emperor as a powerful war god on almost equal status as Gork and Mork simply because they respect and admire tough opponents.
Hahahahaha... So that's why Emps has been doing so well against the Chaos Gods. The Orks believe he's on a similar level to their gods, who outright laugh off the attacks of other gods inside the Warp.

What have you done?!

>Orks are the closest thing passing as a comic relief in this world,
If the Orks in the Beast Arises novels (which takes place about 1000 years after the Horus Heresy) and their INSANELY OP (even by 40k standards) weapons/technology have shown us anything, it's to be glad the greenskins usually play the comic relief role in 40k.

Seriously, those Orks were capable of creating hundreds of Ork Deff Stars ('Attack Moons' in the fluff) that shoot 'gravity weapons' capable of decimating entire fleets. Just one materializing above a planet could do anything from disrupt the planet's gravitational field, causing the planet to rip itself apart from earthquakes/volcanoes, to knocking the planet out of it's home system. Hell, at least one of their 'Fuck-off huge' spaceships had a gravitic weapon capable of causing a star to immediately collapse into a black hole. It's scary what can happen when Orks stop goofing off and get serious.

WAAAAGH Beast gets closest to giving the Daleks a legitimate challenge, even with their own high-tech fuckery. I'd love to see that fight.

It probably will be a stalemate. The more you push orks the more they will draw from WAAAGH!!! They do need some minimal numbers to get it going but when it starts rolling they no longer seem to be constrained by silly things like logic or physical laws.

The best you can do at this point is to "play dead" and try to instigate infighting.

>Daleks time travel back to retcon a battle
>Unknowingly bring back Ork Spores
>Ork Forces increase to ridiculous amounts

In what context? Ork invasion on present-day earth? Or spacetime anomaly and finding an ork ship somewhere in space?

Depends on which daleks, and which gameworld the story takes place in.

Lets say one of those generic sparesly populated alien planets that pop up almost every series, Earth brings in UNIT so he wouldn't be on his own and Space wouldn't give the Orks a target.

I'd definitely have to agree with this. The Daleks have gotten increasingly stronger over time. I don't think it was until season 2 of the new series that they had access to time lord technology, which changes things considerably.

>It probably will be a stalemate. The more you push orks the more they will draw from WAAAGH!!!
The wildcard here is how much Gork & Mork are paying attention to the Orks at the time, as well as if they decide to get in on the fight (figuratively speaking).

>which gameworld the story takes place in.
Actually, I'm not sure that setting matters. The Ork's WAAAGH! field is generated by the Orks themselves, and is, for lack of a better phrase, a 'Warp inside the Warp'. A "WAAAGH! Warp" if you will this WAAAGH! Warp is also where Gork & Mork reside/are powered by.

In theory, the Orks could show up in the Whoverse and they'd still have complete access to their WAAAGH! reality fuckery because the greenskins' and the 'WAAAGH!! Warp' are part of the same package. You can't have the former existing without it causing the other.

>Every Ork ever believes TARDIS is a police box ("Cuz dat's what it sayz on da sign ya git!")
>TARDIS is now a police box
>The Doctor's screwed 40,000 ways to Sunday

It's the opposite - the Orks have no idea what an actual police box is, so they think they're all infinitely bigger on the inside and capable of travelling through space and time.

>Orks start to build their own TARDISes through a bunch of wood and a lot of WAAAAGH

No, they aren't going to be able to beat the Daleks.
The Daleks, at their peak, fought in a war across time and space with the guys who created structured, ordered history, the Time Lords.
The Daleks:

>Had weapons that would erase all iterations of you from the multiverse.

>Had weapons that could erase civilizations but leave all their infrastructure intact at every point in history.

>Could fight/build TARDISes. Multi\infinite-dimensional, creatures locked into time and space traveling bodies that are grown from living math.

>Have access to Vortex capable vessels, meaning they can travel anywhere across space-time to attack things in across space-time while outside of space-time.

>They can teleport entire planets through the multiverse/spacetime, dumping them anywhere they want.

>Enslaved extra-dimensional godlike beings that eat universes to be used as weapons for their war with the Time Lords.

>Multiverse busting reality bomb.

Not to mention their excellent grasp of genetics, biotechnology, nanotechnology, psychic defenses thanks to the Dalek Pathweb, inumberable other nifty things about their casings.

The only faction in 40k that even matters to daleks are the Chaos Gods and only in a casual reality wipe sort of way.

That...

That is both extremely terrifying and hilarious at the same time, because I can actually see a mekboyz doing this and it working.

Everything has, Dr Who has one of the worst examples of power creep in anything. Remember the Cybermen getting super speed and needing a Galaxy to be blown up to slow down their war effort?

Orks unifying under a single belief can make anything possible. Thats their whole shtick is they run of fighting spirit which makes shit happen that shouldnt be allowed. In your scenario, Orks could beat everything, and then they would beat themselves, and then I would beat myself.

Well they don't have any of that anymore so why does it matter?

How would they beat them imperium?

In a straight fight, probably. The IoM isnt an enemy they need superweapons to beat. Drive up, glass planet, repeat.

They are used to fighting an enemy that had perfect time travel and which invented the concept of black holes. Even Archeotech wont slow them down much.

>Dok-tor! Wut iz we gonna do? Dem Dalek-Boys is gonna stop our Waaagh befores it's even got to krumpin'.
Funny thing about Dalek-boyz is that they's so sharp but also well thick. All that flash tech and they never bothers to scrub up they're ships, just blast some low-power radiation and calls it a day.
>>DALEKS HAVE NOT NEED OF SUCH THINGS! NO DISEASE MY TOUCH US!
How much action haz dis ship seen den? Ten bordin's, twenty-five, fifty? All dem boyz fightin' and dyin' and dropin' their spores.
>>WE ARE AWARE OF YOUR PRIMITIVE BIOLOGY! YOUR SPORES CANNOT FLOURISH HERE THEY ARE DORMANT!
Oh yes before but look at us now blastin’ through time in what’s you thinks is so clever but you’ve just zoged yourselves lads. All I gots to do, is this.
[Fires sonic shoota into the air, green growths appear all over the ship and Daleks begin to slip open as new orks grow out of their cracks]
>>EXPLAIN DOKTOR, EXPLAIN!
Well iz simple mate, I just took the amb-iant warp energy of your engine exhausts and feed to the little dormant spore boyz coatin’ every inch of you shipz and boyz. Didn’t I?
>>DOKTOR!!!!
[Episode ends in a huge fight aka a happy ending.]