People have this idea now that if cards aren't constantly going up in price, the card game is dead

I've heard only good things about the Yugioh mobage, but god damn the UI is garbage.

youtu.be/cp4fxe75810

I refuse to pay money for a digital product.

Yugioh is actually 100% free online. The issue is, the online clients are not made by Konami, and Konami's main focus has been reprinting cards into the ground in an attempt to ward off people who are seen as "toxic", as they generate bad PR. Their focus is on attracting new players to the paper card game rather than focusing on digital.

Hasbro, on the other hand, has given up on attracting new players to Magic. Instead, their focus is on appeasing the existing diehard collectors and investors, while not giving a fuck about where Magic goes as a game. That's why MTGO is unplayable and ludicrously expensive, that's why their reprint sets are designed to drive card prices up rather than down, and that's why the Reserved List still exists even after Martin fucking Shkreli got involved in the buyouts last summer.

Yet you'd still pay $70 for a new PS4 game, eh?

>Martin fucking Shkreli
Who?

Come on, user, are you this out of touch?

Why would anyone give a shit about card game drama?

I play on every online yugioh client. Reprints are fucking great. I don't want spend $40 on Omega or how ever much Break Sword was before the reprint was announced for a pet deck. Duel Links is shit. Tried playing for like a week and I just got bored.

I was able to get full power PePe by trading. Lost like $10 total when it destroyed by the ban list. I still have most of the cards. I don't mind shit like that happening.

Rich sketchy pharmaceuticals guy who was in a ton of business practice scandals.
He started hoarding valuable cards to spite one of his childhood friends who plays.

Long story short, Martin Shkreli is a really rich guy, who behaves exactly like your average user would, if he suddenly got rich. For example, he bought the famous never released Wu Tang Clan album. Also held an auction for the right to punch him in the face. He also visits Veeky Forums and /pol/ in particular, even promised to release the mentioned album if Donald Trump wins - which he didn't.
He became famous when reddit started hating him for raising prices for some drug that his company produces.

Yugioh is definitely the best of the 3.

Pokemon is a shit game, and Magic just feels like the company only caters to investors these days

Dude, you don't even need to know card games to know Martin Shkreli. He's the New York knob currently on trial for purposefully driving up prices on pharmaceuticals (infamously, he hiked the price of Thiola, a drug used to treat the rare disease cystinuria that must be taken 10 to 15 times a day, from $1.50 to $30 a pill). He's frequently referred to as "Pharma Bro" or "The Most Hated Man in America."

they probably have very heated arguments about how they can't compete with themselves by offering a paper and online client. That and the fact that and their resistance to actually being good at digital products.

I think it's fair to say that there is someone amount of moving and shaking going on at Hasbro with them struggling to advertise and sell a card game that they believe is intended for children to an ever aging customer base. That and the fact that they are about a decade or two behind the curve in what's hip (an MMO, did one of the execs finally discover WoW?). Judging by how their spoilers/product previews go both live and online Wizards RnD has shown that they are becoming increasingly out of touch with new management that is apparently all about giving the product an iconic identity (jacetice league, consistent "return" sets) and an incestuous design team that desperately needs new blood. Their need to justify every design decision with customer "data" and push for everyone to walk in step just makes them look like outright liars and shows how tumultuously they are running the game right now (eliminate core sets because no one bought, but now we're getting a new one so people can get into the game; make a hot new rebranding of sliver and swear up and down they are an improvement then print a sliver card with classic slivers the very next year; create a new format for appease extended players then aggressively curate it to the point that no one wants to play for fear of their deck getting banned; claim to be addressing the skyrocketing prices of cards while printing limited reprints; creating "masters" sets that omit 25%-50% of the staples present in their format). I sincerely hope that they get their shit together, it seems like they have 4-5 auteurs who are their game design gurus but no one with a lick of sense about project management.They need some one to tighten up their design schedule because two years is waaaay too slow.

I don't play video games.

Gotta be 18 to post kiddo

This is the worst post I've ever seen.
>nobody actually wants to play the games
How could any person come to this conclusion? Out of the MTG players I know, more of them are completely uninterested and uninformed on the financial aspects of the game than "want to be a backpack vendor"(and the few that are are retards that nobody likes); right now more than ever, what with commander having become as popular as it is and most commander players only trading insofar as to acquire new tech for their decks and/or get pieces to build more decks.

Online tcg's are awful. Neuters or completely throws out the social aspects of the games, vidya already exists if autists can't be bothered to interact with other people. Leave our shit alone faggot.

Pic related, is garbage

>$1,000+ for a decent EDH deck

No thank you

>he doesn't know the literal based God himself
What are you, a socialist?

I love Pokémon and I've been on this planet for 30 years. The TCG is really fun for me, but admittedly I don't have a group to play with anymore. The new cards are way too powerful and it's hard to find casual players.

Yu-Gi-Oh is so different now. Synchro and Xyz are super stupid and not fun. Pendulum is a cool mechanic though, and Link is going to be fun to try out.

Magic is a poorly designed dinosaur that only appeals to spergs. Magic could be easier to get into, and simpler for newcomers, creating a more popular international pastime. But Wizards intentionally does not redesign the game. Their unwillingness to evolve will be their undoing. Once all the old people with nostalgia and investments die, Magic will die.

I try to play other card games, but so few people play the smaller ones. Games like Exodus and MegaCorp are really cool, but they haven't taken off yet. Also, online card games are neat, but I think the only ones that will stay are the ones with both strong physical and digital halves. Hex was a great new idea - MMO+TCG - but they cut out like half the game, so that's dead now.

Living card games are the future of print card games. Legend of the Five Rings is coming out this fall, and will eclipse Netrunner and Magic.

Annon you are getting way to autistic, but I get what you mean about loosing the social aspect of the game.

As someone who has tried the online play thing, I find games a lot more "serious" online than in person. In person when someone pulls a clever move or gets the perfect topdeck, both of us usually end up laughing about it. When it happens online, I just get salty.

I think part of the problem I have with TCGs is how much they cost to play sometimes. Buying boosters is like playing the lottery, and where I play the MTG crowd is near cancer. I live in a town where there are like 4 sperglords who walk into shit like FNM with fucking T1 decks. If you want to have a chance of doing okay in a local event you either need to similar amounts of dosh or play limited. Worst part is the trade scene where I live is incredibly focused on the cash value of individual cards. I feel like if you were to remove all of the pack filler, you could turn MTG into a pretty good LCG, but as it is right now WotC just wants to hang onto it's money printing machine.

I actually got into U gi O because a ton of people play it semi-casually and the entry fee isn't nuts. Hell if you want to get into it, 1 guy I know will literally hand out staples like dark hole and MST, something I would never see in the local MTG crowd. That being said, I still think U gi O would work better as a LCG, especially with the Archetype thing they have going. (Spend 60 bucks to get the major staples of the game, spend another 20-30 bucks to get a Primarily Archetype expansion)

In all honesty, Yugioh is already heading towards LCG territory.

Look at Pendulum Evolution and Battles of Legend. Due to the ratios, buy a box and you get everything. Rumor has it that those were prototypes for the VRAINS era box ratios, which makes sense, as ratios have already been getting better and better since Breakers of Shadow. Dimension of Chaos was Yugioh's last set as a true TCG, and Code of the Duelist will likely be Yugioh's first set as a full-on LCG.

>doesn't understand the concept of a casual format
>also never heard of Yisan
funny joke

Nah, Pendulum Evolution and Light's Revenge aren't main sets. COTD will have shit ratios. It's going to be a really bad set because there are very few cards people are after.

High Speed Riders wasn't a main set, but was a prototype for BOSH's ratios.

However, I do agree 100% that COTD is a pretty poor set, as there's nothing people really want in there besides Firewall Dragon and Spellbook of Rudra. Oh well, Circuit Break looks much better at least!

The new LINK archetypes in CIBR are shit too. Crawlers and Altergeists are just copypastas of Subterror and SPYRAL (respectlively), and Vullets would have been good if they had come out 5 years ago, but nowadays they're way too slow.

>Crawlers and Altergeists are just copypastas of Subterror and SPYRAL (respectlively)
Lies, they're worse than Subterror and SPYRAL.

ARC-V was just too good. It introduced a lot of playable archetypes. Almost every card released was useful. It also was too strong, so Konami is trying to tone down the powerlevel of the game.

Actually, Vullets are just a copypasta of T.Gs

>I have with TCGs is how much they cost to play sometimes
>sperglords who walk into shit like FNM with fucking T1 decks

Magic is divided into formats for a reason. Commander has picked up the traction it has for this exact reason, where all you need is a 25 dollar prebuilt deck to start trading punches and even pull a few wins here and there, assuming you aren't playing with autistic asses who pull out pubstomp decks whenever they smell fresh meat.

Standard being expensive is a meme, you can build competent-if-not-explicitly-T1 decks for relatively little. Modern isn't even THAT expensive, assuming you're aiming to have fun on a friday and not win a pro tour.

>trade scene where I live is incredibly focused on the cash value of individual cards

As opposed to... not being focused on the cash value of individual cards? What, you want people to trade based on pretty artworks? The fuck does this even mean?

>I feel like if you were to remove all of the pack filler, you could turn MTG into a pretty good LCG

MTG is a good lcg, "pack filler" exists so people can draft, you can't expect them to make every single card competitive, this comment is asinine, fuck you, ect.

>also never heard of the $20 mikaeus primer, which I can personally confirm is decent enough
funny joke

not him but you seem to assume every place in the world plays EDH in a casual environment.
funny joke

I don't think you understand what an LCG is, also the main issue every single person in this thread has had with magic compared to the other two big TCGs is how they handle reprints.

It seems like your knowledge only extends to MTG so let me explain:
In a game like yugioh they do the jew move and print an expensive card you have to play at max rarity so they sell more packs.
THEN about 2 months later they reprint a handful of these cards at a much lower rarity essentially slashing their prices by %90 or more.

Magic does NOT do this second part, they print chase mythics you have to play then later down the line reprint them at the same high rarity or even higher (masterpieces).

You keep going back to EDH but guess what? We are taking about COMPETITIVE formats, the ones that are supported by prize pools and weekly tournaments that the devs themselves cite as their main focuses when designing the majority of their card game.

Because is the competive aspect of your TCG dies then your TCG dies, you don't seem to care about this because you don't play competitive but that just means you're in the wrong thread.

Standard being expensive is a meme for a reason, standard prices are down now, but as someone who remembers the days of Jace the Wallet Sculptor, it's a balance that can change any time.

Part of the problem with the local magic scene is that half the people ARE autistic asses who pull out pubstomp decks the moment the smell fresh meat, and that's not just limited to Commander.

The problem is that so few packs have enough value to generate any trade value. The 10 most expensive cards in Amonkhet all come in at 4 bucks or higher (again this is admittedly lower than the last time I played magic) with your average rare being worth about 1.50 if I'm being generous. So the likely hood of me being able to trade for the more expensive cards on the list without going trading 3 or more to 1 is extremely low.

I don't think you quite understand what a LCG actually is. An LCG has a business model similar to a MMO. An initial release of cards, intended to be staple decks for a long period of time and to offer a jumping off point for future expansions. After the initial release of the "starter box" if you will, expansion packs are released with more cards in them. The important part of this is that if you and I buy the same expansion pack, we both get the same cards. For instance if we both buy the Veeky Forums cardgame shit poster expansion, we both a play set each of Rare pepes, lowqualitybait.jpgs and 40k thread takeovers. Because there's no randomness draft isn't a thing and as such pack filler isn't a thing, this comment is asinine, learn your fucking terminology, ect.