Elven mary sues are bad

Name me five occasions where these "flaws" completely fuck them over. If not, then these flaws don't matter and can't be seen as such.

Warhammer dwarfs are a particularly bad example, given that they sometimes get divine punishment if they don't act retarded.
If OP meant Gotrek, then claiming an eternal pissed off, abrasive, prideful, arrogant and overcompensating manlet is a Mary Sue is even more retarded.

1) causing a dwarfhold civil wars, one which lasted for centuries and led to the direct ruin of both involved
2) causing them to alienate allies, directly leading to more evil propagating the world
3) getting played like fiddles by a certain Dark elf
4) refusing to innovate for centuries, causing other races to surpass them and their technology to stagnate
5) holding grudges for retardedly long periods, causing them to act like utter retards until it's fulfilled, even though the original belligerents are long dead

Stop being a faggot by trying to cover up your spelling mistake with an even shitier argument, m8.

Elves are cucks.

None of them have anything to do with being drunk, few with being angry and overall in current time of the Warhammer setting pre-End Times they are in one of the best positions in their history since their golden age. And they have some of the most advanced technologies, what the fuck are you talking about.

> Name me five occasions where these "flaws" completely fuck them over.
You seem to be labouring under some misapprehensions of what a flaw is.

Flaw
noun
1.
a mark, blemish, or other imperfection which mars a substance or object.
"a flaw in the glass"
synonyms: defect, blemish, fault, imperfection, deficiency, weakness, weak spot/point, inadequacy, shortcoming, limitation, failing, foible; More
verb
1.
mar, weaken, or invalidate (something).
"the computer game was flawed by poor programming"

Note the total lack of 'total fucking over' in the description of the word flaw.

Also note:
> an eternal pissed off, abrasive, prideful, arrogant and overcompensating manlet
Read: An extremely unpleasant individual to be around.

I think what you're actually mad about is Plot Armour and/or perceived authorial favouritism.
You can be mad about those, but please have the introspection and linguistic understanding to actually articulate yourself.

In summary, pic related.

I'm not that guy, just pointing out flaws to the OP image that he didn't.
As for their tech, it advances at a glacial pace due to them exiling any engineer who tries anything new.
They have to work in secret until they prove it to work near flawlessly, and even then the engineers will bitch endlessly about it.
If not for their stubbornness and obsession with tradition, they'd be in the modern era or better.

Gotrek isn't a Sue, he has legit flaws. The guy behind him is the real reason we read his books, though.

The average dorf RPG character is a Sue, though, because they're covered in pretend flaws that never actually impact their lives in any meaningful fashion and generally just serve to make them more 'badass', or are excused om account of being a part of what makes muh dwarven culture cool.

That doesn't mean dwarves are bad, though, just that the average roleplayer/writer is bad. WHFB dwarves make legit mistakes, even if their players are constantly scrabbling to justify them (which, appropriately enough, is one of dwarves' actual flaws in that setting). The dwarf paladin from Fell's Five was great, often because the writer didn't make him fall into every dorf trope ever, and when he did they were contrasted against him being a legitimately good person. This is much better than what most writers do, which is write an intolerable thuggish drunk and then have the narrative bend over backwards to justify this, because hey, he's a dwarf and dwarves are just like that.

Here's your (you).
Give me an example of a dwarven Mary sue
And we shalll pursue.

Alright, listen to me you knife eared piece of shit. If you go any further with your piss stained pubic hair you call a wig, I'm gonna wreck your shit so hard you won't even be able to walk with your limp dick! I'm gonna shove my foot so far up your shaven perfect little ass that your breath is gonna smell like shoe polish, then I'm gonna take that little red anal bead on your belt, and push it in your face! I'm gonna flagellate you with my fucking beard! I'm gonna build you a pair of runic mechanical balls, and use surgical precision to sew them to your groin where your manhood ought to be just so that I can kick them with my iron fucking feet, you twat!

If being a Mary Sue is perceived as a flaw, then does that mean that the moment a character is considered one, they aren't one anymore?

>I think what you're actually mad about is Plot Armour and/or perceived authorial favouritism
And you are correct about that, though you seem to forget that we are talking about a fictional race here and the narrative that is woven around them. What the fuck should I complain about if not the narrative?
Also
>critizising a thing=/=being mad
You put all this effort into your post, so there is that.

Funny that you didn't mention greed. Drunken doesn't matter, they are great drinkers and that is perceived as manly. Angry doesn't matter, it leads to shit like which dwarffags love. But greed, being really jewish, is a real flaw that as far as I can say is their actual main flaw. Haven seen the trope about the dwarves digging up some ancient evil because of their greed seen in a while.

"The dwarves" by Markus Heitz.

I think part of it is with dwarves, it all involves hard work. Everything a dwarf does involves hard work, even the things that should be easy. Dwarves put EFFORT into everything and are stubborn to the point of idiocy. They're basically shonen protagonists.

Elves by contrast tend to be portrayed as superior by nature. Rather than being a product of their long lives and ancient society, elves are just superior because... Well, because they're elves. This makes them more like the childhood rival from the shonen anime, aka minor ANTAGONISTS. Possibly the smug, smart friend later down the line. Haflings are the fat best friend.

You just seemed somewhat rustled, friendarino.
Anyway Mary Sue has a fairly clear meaning for a term not in a dictionary:
'A Mary Sue (if female) or Marty Stu (if male) is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character.'
So again, please be more specific with your terminology when complaining about narrative decisions/trends you dislike.

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>'A Mary Sue (if female) or Marty Stu (if male) is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character.'
Like a dwarf played by a dwarffag. You failed to address any of my points, though. Instead you talk about semantics. Because of this no (You)s.

Because the people who sperg about elves but like dwarfs are irl little freaks so they feel identified with those and not the others

Most 14 year old boys can't get laid, unless we rule out faggots like you.

Autism identified

They're also ugly.

Veeky Forums hates elves because they remind them of the pretty popular people in high school that ostracised them and never invited them to parties

Did you forget where we are? This is Veeky Forums, the place where everyone and their dog is autistic.

I concur. The biggest flaw with Dwarves is that there greedy little shits that are isolationists that dig to fucking deep and release some hellish nightmare because "muh gold". Fucking jews, the whole lot of them.

FUCKING KNIFE EARS, GO FUCK YOURSELF OH WAIT YOU CANT YOU PANSY FAGGOTS. NO I DONT WANT TO PROTECT THE ENVIROMENT YOU LITTLE BITCHES.

oh hey cool looking hyper masculine hero. oh you want to have a nice drunk night? cool lets go. sure I want to have loads of fun and not be uptight and always think about ansestors or so on.

[most of this is my DMs doing, elves always caused bullshit for me and tortured my favourite NPC sidekick. fucking knife ears]

Gotrek cannot be a Marty Stu, he literally is 1 of the 2 main protagonists in his series.

Is there a Dwarf "hero" who isn't missing a hand or a leg or an eye or sometrhing?

Bit hard to be a mary sue when bits of you are missing.

Dwarves > Elves
Simple as

What mary sue things do they do? I mostly remember resounding meh standard fantasy and protagonist getting in touch with his dwarven roots, what amounts to "yup we dwarves".

Elves only for rape, etc, etc.

Source?

As usual, google image search proves itself completely worthless.

Epic meme.

It's not porn, you faggot.

I love when Veeky Forums pretends to know the first thing about writing or storytelling.

user, you are the Veeky Forums.

But seriously, join the discussion and state your opinion.

Jesus how hard was she beaten she's red all over

>Elven mary sues are bad

>muh drinking
>muh gold
>muh digging
Dwarves are a meme race. Both them and elves are shit because every fantasy writer since a long time is a bad writer, and fantasy is a bad genere overall.

no

Idk man, dwarves are pretty gay.

Dwarves are too manly, cool and awesome to be Mary Sues. they're literally too perfect.

Urist, is that you?

Only for Erwin Schroedinger

>Drawves

>humans nearly have tech parity with them.
>have lost all their colonies in the badlands.
>biggest investment is the empire that they desperately prop up.
>autistic to an extreme degree.

the same reason why nerds hate retarded and aggresive jocks but love retarded and aggresive neckbeards. Elfs are assholes that act like they are better than you because they think they are better than you by birthright, dorfs act like assholes because they are retarded assholes. I wouldent complain about mary sues as much as we shold be complaning that no one has done ANYTHING new with dorfs science tolkien. They are all the fucking same

>I wouldent complain about mary sues as much as we shold be complaning that no one has done ANYTHING new with dorfs science tolkien
Chaos dwarves.

Dwarf has only a few hundred years to getgood and do col stuff, elf has thousands of years.

And beards are apart of the rule of cool.

Elves that live thousands of years are not the norm, though. What settings are you playing in which they live that long?

Oh come on user, most settings have ye olde elves

The fact that they stayed the same means they're so perfectly self-coherent that there's no need to tweak theme every other day to make them interesting

Good answer.

>elves THINK they're better than you by birthright

elves are literally better than humans in 99% of settings though, it's not even a discussion.

You're welcome, im glad we've put this to bed.

No, they aren't. Stop this meme. Just a quick look at their stats should tell you otherweise.

Many people just don't understand they're two sides of the same coin. Elves are all girly boy traps, and dwarves are big meaty muscular bears.

It's gay all the way down.

Rage would agree with this.

The fuck are you even talking about? Elves almost always live way longer than humans. Usually the only difference is whether it's only a few centuries or thousands of years.

>Elves are all girly boy traps
Can you produce any source on that that isn't the LotR movies and japanese pornography?

Nothing on a worksafe board