What's your opinion on fake Chinese MTG cards? Has anyone had experiences with them...

I think the reserved list is horse shit. Thus, I support fakes with the hope they will put pressure on Wizards to print shit so I can play a children's card game with the cards I want to use.

I love Magic. But I don't love Standard. I would appreciate the ability to play Legacy in paper. I hope the Chinese succeed at their counterfeit endeavors one way or another, so I can enjoy this game in the way I want to. With or without "legitimate" cards.

Here's how it'll go
>They'll start printing batches that have more convincing prints in them
>They'll slowly flood the secondary market with those as legit while pawning of the shitty ones to stupid westerners
>At some point, one counterfeiter will start selling the good ones too, in an effort to stab the competition
>Then all of them do it
>Then SCG and consorts lose all interest in Modern, Vintage and Legacy and that's the final nail in Vintage and Legacy's coffin

There'll probably a scandal at some point with some high profile players using counterfeit cards or an outrage with people getting fakes from a big reseller. And that'll be the setup to justify another new eternal format with ""better"" security measures. But that'll be at least another five or six years off.

dream situation

>get a job
Stopped reading

Want them to get even better. WotC's reprint policy is absurd and while not directly pay-to-win, is pay-to-compete and forces out anybody that isn't absurdly rich or living in their parents basement on neetbux. perfect fakes can't come soon enough

As someone who has wanted to try out MtG for a while, this is basically exactly the reason why I've avoided it.

I just came by to say the same thing.
The theory crafting and ddeck building is very interesting but those prices for paper cards would make GW faint.

everyone has already lost interest in legacy and vintage, there is nothing to lose there. If it becomes affordable they will actually become MORE popular because they are actually fun formats compared to the garbage standards wotc has been shitting out

They have already been improving a ton comparing the latest batch to the first the quality has astronomically improved

ITT: Delusional Poorfags
Fakes are obvious as fuck

Here's how I know you are shitposting while still living off of neetbucks:
When you actually get the job you suddenly realize that pieces of cardboard costing $20-$50 is a ridiculous bullshit and you'd rather order those from china for $3 per and put the difference towards savings/paying off the car/etc.
Chinese proxies indistinguishable from real thing flooding the market to the point of bursting is a dream.

This.

>WotC's reprint policy is absurd

stick to yu-gi-oh we don't need massive re-printings on our old products.

mtgo has plenty of old reserve list cards you can play with for cheaper.

I hope Wizards abolishes the reserved list and reprints the power nine until they aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

Yeah, it'll never happen, but I just finished selling off my collection, I have no more investment in the damn game and I'd love to see it rot away. I'd just like to see all the scummy secondary market retailers go out of business.

>Maybe it's a good thing for fakes to get better and better as it opens up more expensive formats to people who can't afford to play them,

Or we could petition WotC to stop shoving impoverished minorities out of a lot of formats and most upper tier tourneys like a bunch of racist fucks and either ban everything on the reserve list or rerelease them.

Fuck even printing new cards identical in everything but name would work too, without pissing off the collector fags.

I bought fakes of all the expensive lands to have access to a solid landbase for whatever format I want to play. The rest of my stuff is real. Fetches/shocks/duals being as expensive as they are when they're literally the most basic element of the game is fucking stupid, and wotc should just print the hell out of them if they want people to play their dying formats.

Where did you cop them from?

>Maybe it's a good thing for fakes to get better and better as it opens up more expensive formats to people who can't afford to play them

You can just write black lotus on a piece of paper and play with it at home or with friends nobody will worry, anyone can afford to play this way but some people actually want something with the likeness of an actual card, there is no issue here its when people take the chinaman fakes to a store or a sanctioned event thats a problem

The usual, based chinaman. Funnily enough, they're super nice and have great customer support, so much so that it makes most lgs's look terrible by comparison.

The only thing I don't like about them is when someone unknowingly buys fakes at legitimate prices.

Is it one of those ones where you have to buy sets? Or can you pick whatever singles you like?
This gives me a boner

While I think it's very scummy for people to pass them off as the real thing, if you're dropping money on expensive staples you should at least do some research on how to avoid fakes and or buy a loupe. It's a good thing most of these don't pass if you're familiar with magic at all though.

As someone with an extensive collection of eternal cards and a little bit of power nine, Im fine with fakes getting better, I want people to play legacy against and the current cost barrier prevents me from using any of my real cards as there's noone to play

Just reprint everything like Yugioh.

Yeah , all I wanted was singles and I had no issues.

They don't want you to play dying formats. They'd rather you played Standard.

When you say sets do you mean entire sets/blocks or sets comprised of the most valuable cards in a format?

>It's cheating if you use Chinamen fakes and no real cards
>Actually defends shelling thousand on cardboard to play a children's game

>use fake cards
>get caught
>get kicked out of an event

>use real cards
>never worry about deck checks
>can cash out whenever you want and recoup most of your cost no matter the deck and format

Why the hell would you want to deal with the stress of prepping to play in a round at a big event and a judge randomly decides to look at your deck? If you're just playing with friends casually I don't see why you'd ever spend money on the cards in the first place, or fakes for that matter. Back when I first started playing casually with friends if we wanted to try out a card we'd just print out a picture in black and white and slip it in a sleeve, hell we'd even just write "Bitterblossom" on a Forest or whatever if we memorized what the card did. Why would you pay for "good quality fakes" for kitchen table Magic?

If you want to risk getting kicked out of an event because of the wrong pieces of cardboard, more power to you. But acting like you can't understand why anyone would ever pay for the real thing is asinine.

Ill give you the benefit of the doubt that you might not be able to read or understand the english language.

Cheating was never mentioned and if you go back and read the statement it proclaims that using fakes anywhere but a non sanctioned event is perfectly fine, make copies of cards, buy chinaman, whatever works for you.

OPs question was about being able to afford to play other formats meaning he wants to play structured wotc formats that are governed by the their rules and regulations I know the concept may be hard for you to grasp so ill try to explain it another way.

Playing structured formats at places that sell their product or at tournaments is not ok to use fake cards

Playing magic (whatever format) in your own home with friends is perfectly fine to use fake cards.

I know words like shill and cuck and autism are the flavor of the month but when someone is explicitly saying that its fine to use fakes thats not quite shilling I belive its quite the opposite but I would have to research the subject further.

Feel free to reply again if I need to explain my point further or in a different way.

>Playing structured formats at places that sell their product or at tournaments is not ok to use fake cards
Why should I care? I went there to play a fucking game. If my opponent loses he cannot blame the fake cards, it was all it's fault. So it doesn't give any unfair advantage.

If the store owner was stupid enough to invest on singles and to only live from MTG sales, it's not my problem if he gets fuck at it's finances, after all he doesn't care either if people can shell thousands on cardboard or not.

This is an economic only problem and neither the game nor any ethics have anything to do with economy. If I can pay 2.5 dollars for the same card that costed you 100$, then my decision and finances were much better. In the same way Nike makes its shoes in China with slavery, to get profit.

So, the only excuse to say that is unfair is either that you feel bad about your own bad economic decitions (which is understandable, but autistic nerds will defend their "investments) or the fear of a store losing money and then closing. Which is the fault of the owner for having such a bad store management that lives only on MTG and decide to invest in worthless cardboard. None of those are valid arguments against the Chinamen fakes

>when people take the chinaman fakes to a store or a sanctioned event thats a problem
maintaining a healthy population for niche formats is a problem now?

>If my opponent loses he cannot blame the fake cards

No, user, if you get fake copies of super-expensive cards, which you aren't supposed to do, and beat someone else who doesn't have cards as powerful as yours, they can pretty reasonably point to your counterfeit cards as justification that the loss was unfair, because one person literally cheated and the other didn't.

90% of the faggots in this thread should drop magic and go play Force of Will instead.

You use alot of language like "care" and "feel" it sounds like you have some sort of emotional attachment to the game in some way and you still seem to be stuck in the meme stereotype using buzzwords like autism.

You also personalise your reply saying "you" implying that I have some sort of investment in the game myself and that I purchase expensive cards purely for the monetary gain, this is a fasle assumption but it is a good deflection away from the original purpose of my post that I fear has still not been understood.

Its important to remember, nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying you must play magic, in fact it is entirely your choice to play, I too would like a ferarri but I cannot afford one so I drive a mazda, sure I could write "ferarri" on the side and pretend im driving through the south of france with the top down in the privacy of my own home or with friends but its just not the same when im driving downtown in it.

As for investing in worthless cardboard I find it quite ironic that you would be willing to pay real money for fakes and use this argument, by all means spend your money on whatever you want, buy entire sets of fakes and play endless games of magic with your friends you are entitled to enjoy yourself but when thete are no stores left in your area to play in because you are guilty of recieving counterfeit goods perhaps you would look back and think hey maybe I should have taken up another hobby.

Second one

You can still play niche formats without the $1000 cards, just a thought

I will.deviate the conversation to ad hominem because mi arguments are not strong enough

Ok

I've printed custom cards using some playing card custom printing websites. I won't say which one so I can keep doing it.
I also printed some retemplated 'modern' versions of power 9

Except spending money is not a skill, assmunch. If you both play with proxy cards on something like cocatrice, and you get your shit stomped, guess what? Its because the other person was better/luckier/had a more cohesive deck. Money has nothing to do with losing.

Care to elaborate on what points you feel were invalid? You might need to provide evidence for your claims.

>This guy have never even played the game

Its a collectible card game meaning some cards are more desirable than others hence they are worth more, they shouldnt let people in care homes use the internet

You are the one who is not understanding the discussion
>nobody is holding a gun to your head and saying you must play magic, in fact it is entirely your choice to play

People can choice to play magic with fakes or real cards, if they want to, period. There is something called free market and capitalism. The same way the big SCG and CF use it to sell lilianas at 100, Chinamen use it to sell lilianas at 3. If there are disagreement then remember that Western society choosed capitalism over socialist economic system and now have to compete on it.

>thete are no stores left in your area to play in because you are guilty of recieving counterfeit goods perhaps you would look back and think hey maybe I should have taken up another hobby.

If. A game store depends entirely on MTG. It should have gone bankrupt long ago. God there are like 5 other card games, 10 miniature games, thousand of board games, and that is not counting the tournament fees and the food. This point is absolutely false and a bad argument

Anyone got some links / pointers on where to go to get good fakes? Thinking of making a cube

YouTube

His point is that the skill in the game comes from the way you use cards, not having the cards themselves.
You could technically play MTG in your head if you memorized all the cards, deck, etc and simply spoke it to another player.
I don't know if there's a rule against fakes, but if there is, it has nothing to mechanically do with the game.
It's purpose is clear though since the game needs some level of protection to keep it financially supported.

Beaucoup you philistine

svn2.assembla.com/svn/mtgsalvationpsd/
photoshop templates for making high res

There's an old Modern high res for Magic Set Editor that the creator tried to destroy to stop proxies. I have it on my PC but I don't have a link set up

I toyed with making a M15 high res for Magic Set Editor, but never finished it because I didn't feel like printing a new set. Almost finished it, only need a few more hours on it and it'd be perfect. A few more adjustments and it'd be all set. Honestly, it's probably good enough now to make cards with.

>What's your opinion on fake Chinese MTG cards?
Absolute trash, and the people buying them are trash. At least it's good to know that the fakes are nowhere near as good as people like to claim they are so that they're easy to detect.

Ok, longer answer. Fake cards serve no purpose other than to attempt to scam people with. If you're playing in a sanctioned tournament, using proxies is against the rules. If you're playing casually you can just print the cards yourself and save a lot of money by not paying Chinaman. So, the only reason to buy these cards is because you hope to be able to sell them for far more than you bought them, or to trade them for real cards with some dipshit who doesn't know what he's doing, which makes you a scumbag in the real sense of the word.

>Would you dob an opponent in if you suspected they were using fakes?
Absolutely.

>Maybe it's a good thing for fakes to get better
No.

You choose to play magic

>God there are like 5 other card games, 10 miniature games, thousand of board games

You proved my point and debunked your own reply

>Fuck even printing new cards identical in everything but name would work too
The Reserved List prohibits functional reprints.

>There is something called free market and capitalism
Yes, and clearly you don't understand either. Seriously, are you fourteen?

I understand your point but to clarify he said that cards of value have no impact on the game and winning, quote

>Money has nothing to do with losing

If you had a deck full of commons vs a deck with rares ad mythics you will lose, the cards they want to proxy are power 9 not craw wurm

I carry a loupe to fmn and inspect every card I suspect may be fake, during tournaments I will call a judge and get them to inspect most of my opponents cards if I suspect anything

In that sense the value has impact, but the value of a fake lotus is less than a real lotus, but has no mechanic impact on the game.

Download the high res sets and just print them yourself, you can even do it on window decal paper and make your own foils with an ink jet printer, they are obvous fakes and most people outside of tournaments dont care, people only buy chinaman to pretend they are real and trade or sell them

yeah, no.
I've just got the fucking doubling season from chinese bros and it looks real enough. I'ma put it in my EDH deck to avoid dealing with morons who don't like people using proxies.
Cost of the card: $30
Cost of chinabros version: $3
Cost of proxying it myself: don't care, it'll be more than $3 in time spent and the quality won't be as good.

I hope chinabros will thrive and expand their business.

"shit that never actually happened" by user, volume 1

continue to delude yourself on proxies not being as good as the real thing. They are very close, you need a magnifying glass and a real card side by side to tell the difference.

>EDH
Into the trash, stop posting

sure thing sweetie, have your (you)

>They are very close, you need a magnifying glass and a real card side by side to tell the difference.
You literally don't because most of them have very basic issues in regards to the font, coloring and border size, not to mention the finish and feel of the card. You only need a loupe to confirm 100% without a doubt it's a fake. Keep trying to delude yourself that your shitty china fakes are passable though china bro, anyone who's actually been around magic cards for a while can easily tell the difference.

Why dont you use proxies of commons and other easy to get cards? The answer is you can afford them, im sorry that your parents said you were special and that you expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter, please stop trying to play a hobby you cant afford and find something else to do and stop shitting up other peoples enjoyment

its literally hilarious that some grown adults care what cards other ppl use lmao

Why the hell would you pay for chinaman proxies for your edh deck when you could just write Gaea's Cradle on a slip of paper and stick it in a sleeve for free?

because I can get the actual cards of commons for cheaper than proxies? Are you literally so retarded that you need an answer to that question? Well, looking at you sperging out trying to convince me that not wanting to spend hundreds of dollars on cardboard is somehow "expecting everything to be handed to you on a silver platter" the answer is obviously yes.

because $3 gives me a pretty picture and a spelled out rules text. Yeah, it's a waste of money in a way but $3 seemed a reasonable enough price. Also because some people start lecturing me that I 'should just spend $30' on a piece of cardboard when they see pieces of paper -- see the retard above.

Here's the fact you braindead trash:
from your standpoint, for you personally there should be literally no difference as to where another guy got his cards if they are not selling or trading them. The rage you feel is the rage of an idiot who knows deep inside that he was duped into buying inherently worthless shit for real money when he could've bought similar worthless shit for far less money.

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I hope the people who buy chinaman fakes have kids who get cancer and they buy a cheap china knockoff medication and it doesnt work so their kids die a horrible painful death, that would still be less tragic than the cumguzzling chucklefucks in this thread

Lol, what a retarded analogue. Better one would be where you could buy essentially exactly same medicine, that works the same way and is spewed out from same machine, but the label is worse, but price thousandth of the original.

It's funny how people regard pieces of paper coming out of printer as "collectible items" when there is literally no pain or effort to print million of copies. Not to mention that these same fuckers waste hefty sums of money for literally no gain.

>retarded
edgy

No shit Sherlock. You'll notice how I mentioned getting rid of or changing the reserve list.

They're called generics, heroes like Martin Shkreli are trying to get them stopped

>use real cards
>still get accused of using fakes
>people try to steal your cards
>people try to rip your cards to prove that it is fake
>every second they're not locked in an environmentally controlled box is a second they risk damage.

Yeah no. I'll use chinamen for actually playing.

I wish they were a bit more convincing. I wouldn't hesitate a second to go into bigger tournament with fake cards. Even if you are caught, what of it? You can always play the innocent and nobody can prove you wrong.

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE it's against the rules

just kys

i think they are completely fine. no one should have to spend thousands of dollars on cardboard to play a childrens games. fakes are only going to get better and better until the point where people cant tell the real. shit most people cant tell the difference now between real and fake old cards because 97% of the player base has never seen them in person

id rather have people to play legacy with than not so im fine with it

If you feel rage because people is playing a kid's game with cards of 3 dollars, you need some therapy before it becomes psychosomatic

We all know you are just a poorfag trying to get into the format. 5000$ for a deck is not that much, get out of your mom's basement.

Love it, hope the fakes get even better.

3/10

Bait is a bit too salty, and the gravy drowns out the other flavors.

You can already do that fuckface, If you want to play legacy with friends, just print out the cards yourself. But, if you want to play in tourneys, you need wizards products. GW does the same shit for their competitive scene, and so does fantasy flight. I know this is bait but i'm actually a little rustled.

Considering I've sold close to $5000 in fakes (as real) it only takes a retard to get a sale. And if your "caught" you plea Ignorance. Literally no cosequences.

Poorfags are the fucking worst. "Im entitled to play whatever I want because im special" *smokes weed* "I also have no money cause i dropped out of high school to pursue my career at McDonalds"

To be fair, you probably sell to kids like a true scumbag. Get caught selling to to the wrong person and tell me about consequences after he takes you outside.

>takes you outside

Oh god, my fuckin sides. you're a riot user.

>Get caught selling to to the wrong person and tell me about consequences after he takes you outside
lol

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Vintage, Legacy and EDH are the best MtG formats. Everything else is too saturated with the same deck and not worth playing, for you will face the same decks over and over again. We would all love if MtG became a living card game, many of people living off it would not but fuck them. Chinese fakes for the win!

Alright guys, i know that sounds funny but my lgs has alot of gym bros and college kids. Only a few neckbeards go there. Its plausible here

Obviously I want to play competitive, silly.

I could afford to drop $3000 on a Legacy deck if I truly wanted, but it doesn't seem like a good idea, especially since many others can't. I want Legacy to be affordable for everyone, so I could reasonably expect there to be Legacy events at more LGSs.

What's stopping a conspiracy to ruin a stores reputation by buying from a store and also buying fakes, getting caught and saying you bought it from X store using the receipt as evidence?