Are there crusades/holy wars in your setting? If there is, tell what happened during them

It's part of the Korran - it forbids killing of Jews and Christians, for they believe into a same good, they just haven't understood it yet.

And mulsim rules of war phorbided destruction of wells, livestock, killing of women, childern and people of science - same rules used by mongols as well

Also if any of you have even went to hospital, you can't talk crap about muslims, for modern medicine was started by one.

[dindu intensifies]

What the fuck is this spelling

The "Korran" forbids slavery too, but that didn't stop the janissaries and mamluks from happening

>Muslims didn't kill other religion priests
>it forbids killing of Jews and Christians
So all those Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists and so on don't count eh?

Mohammedan

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Some butthurt turk or other kebab living in the first world probably. Let's call him Mohammed, cause statistically that's his name
And for the record, nonwhites should never play the "Try living a day without all the shit my race/religion has invented" game. Especially not online

>Invade Spain and France
>Sell Christians into slavery all along the coastline
>Kill pilgrims to the holy land
>Threaten Byzantine
Spout some lie about western agressive.
Fucking apologists disgust me.

>Part of the Koran
Doesn't mean that Muslims or even Mohammed sticker to it, the battle of badr was fought by Mohammed during Ramadan.
Mohammed was a bloodthirsty dictator who created a cult to support his reign and every sultan after him was judged by how many Christians and other non Muslims he slaughtered.
Grow the fuck up, learn some history and fuck off with your bullshit

>modern medicine
No
Typical half truths and bullshit from leftists grooming their favourite political pets, don't believe everything you read in a funny picture on the internet you mentally deficient child.

No

The quran doesn't forbid slavery it is in favour of it and has rules written in it for slavery in particular

modern medicine is Chinese. If anything, I should be thanking my neighbor Mr. Chang. But I won't

Don't press him too hard, he might explode with anger

Good

Define modern medicine, brain surgery was known to Romans and greeks already

>modern medicine is Chinese.
Funny I sure don't remember those prescriptions of tiger liver and powdered dino bones

What?

It seems to be more of a independent development that got joined together through trade. IIRC the Chinese were the ones to discover using plague scabs for vaccines, and Hippocrates invented lancets

Brain surgery was known to Romans and Greeks already.
Including tools for drilling, hammering, etc. Basically the modern shit just with muscle power and less fast
Apparently they also tried electrotherapy on the cranium for cluster-migraines via electric eels

T. Classical philologist who had 2 courses on Roman medicine

>implying people back then knew what dinosaurs were

what did he mean by this Veeky Forums?

They'd cut discs out of the skull without Anesthesia and put copper plates in place when closing up.

Chinese TODAY use random garbage for medicine. China ALONE is the main reason so many endangered animals are being poached

Chickens are dinosaurs user.
So are alligators
>without Anesthesia
Factually incorrect, the Romans (and Greeks) knew multiple forms of anasthesia, they just didn't like to use them as they were obviously less safe since even nowadays it's relatively risky.
For a larger operation like that you probably would have gotten some kind of drug though

Shit never knew, thats interesting as hell dude. How well did it work? Did the guy turn into a dumbass or was he just different here and there?

Gators aren't dinosaurs, but they were around back then. And wasn't copper common to use for bone mending?

You do know the Northern Crusades, the Albigensian Crusade, and the Bosnian Crusade were all things, right?

Depends on the surgery, brain surgeries were surprisingly successful (and thus, popular, when it mattered), they were also pretty good at excising cancer already.
I have No idea how well the electro therapy worked, you'd need to ask that a physician (sounds like it might work doe)

That's because of communism you stupid cuck. Also I thought we were speaking historically, fucking dumbass

The first was uncalled for but whatever, second was needed cause cathars were fucking weird, and if bosnia was anything like it is now, then the only thing that they did wrong was not finish the job

>moving goalposts

Look at Mohammed here!

They still used weird shit even back then. But that's how medicine was discovered. It just took a while for people to go "Hey, I wonder why this thing makes your body do whatever"

The 10 commandments also forbids killing.
That means the crusaders didn't kill neither.

Happened later doe to the set precedent and weren't the same thing really

Probably
I am Not even the original guy
Wrong, they forbid murdering, killing is a mistranslation
No murdering in war, sunny

>shitty desert people religion
Why are you so against Chritianity, user?

>shitty

Critianity is a natural success

It is the belief system that automatically succeeds

>So all those Zoroastrians, Hindus, Buddhists and so on don't count eh?
Well, since they aren't a part of the abrahamic religions, they don't count ;^)

Both sides are right. The Koran DOES forbid killings and all sorts of things, and it DOES order/allow Muslims to do these things. The Quran follows primacy of descending order, with scriptures that FOLLOW over-riding scriptures that proceed. So what you have is a religion that started out being all about charity and human brotherhood and shit turning into a religion about deceiving your enemies and cutting off their heads. Adding to the clusterfuck is the difficulty in ascertaining WHICH order the scriptures were written in, AKA which parts do we listen to. This is why why Imams exist, they're a special scholarly class who devote their lives to studying the Qu'ran SPECIFICALLY so they can interpret the clusterfuck that it is. Naturally you have different groups following different interpretations, which the end result that they're all right even when they're in diametric opposition.

You know that episode of Southpark, about the founding Fathers and how America can't make up it's mind about shit?

That's Islam.

He has a point.

PS I'm also pretty sure Islam never had a Council of Nicea equivalent so good luck deciding what even qualifies as a part of the Quran

You make it sound like that happened over a long time when it didn't.
It was a creepy “charity“ cult when it was a local one in one village, as soon as it expanded Mohammed turned to the sword and so did his shitty cult
>reminder that every fucked up cult looks nice at the beginning

>mfw reasonable discourse that doesn't discount the problems of Islam but also doesn't demonize it

so successful it had to be spread with the sword >.>

We did a play on the 4th crusade once. Essentially a massive international warband of NOT ancient Romans, rocks up in NOT Constantinople to assist the NOT Ancient Greeks against the NOT Persians.

So of course my party is busily doing a whole bunch of quests to get a peace treaty sorted to prevent a massive war. So after a bunch of sessions arranging secret meetings, spying, dropping off secret packages and the odd assassination woohoo! our PCs have prevented the war are are the unsung heroes of NOT Constantinople.

Whereupon the NOT Romans decide that since they're not getting the war booty land and pay they were promised for taking down the NOT Persians they declare the NOT Greeks heretics and massacre every male enslave every woman and child and take everything that isn't bolted down.... and a lot of things that are bolted down... and then burn the city

>doesn't demonize it
Literally because he isolates the very early time of it and acts like it has much to do with the religion as a whole.

Trepanning (cutting a hole in the skull) can save your life if you have swelling of the brain (can be caused by blunt force trauma) Reducing the pressure on the brain can prevent all kinds of lethal consequences. It still happens today. The big killer in Roman times would have been post op complications like infection.

>Muslims didn't kill other religion priests and didn't burn there homes, and left women and children unharmed.
ahahaha

Considering my setting is an odd mishmash of middle-Eastern and northeast African locations and historical periods, it's practically a given. Along with the Nottoman Empire's own expansionist jihad, western factions are raring for another crusade, neo-paleo OT Israelites in not!Palestine are fighting genocidal warfare against the few remaining pagan city-states, the formerly-pagan-turned-not!Christian Ancient Kingdom of Kang is on its last legs, and that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

>Hey look boys we've taken over the wealthiest and most civilized parts of the world, pilfered their technology and infrastructure, ran it into the ground and now we live in a shit hole

That's like saying a bank robber has more money than any of the people who had money in that bank. You're not wrong but you're entirely missing the point and giving credit to entirely the wrong people for entirely the wrong reasons.

>Muslims didn't kill other religion priests and didn't burn there homes, and left women and children unharmed.

You heard that on a CNN documentary, amirite.

Yup it is true, however christians were not unbelivers in there standarts - same good, wrong book

>Muslims are not allowed to marry non-Muslims
Dude have you not read "be Ye not unequally yoked?"
No religion likes their doods dating nonbelievers.
Shit just looks like page filler now

True - every religion is fucked up, so when we talk shit about one, we should mention all the others

>Muslim apologists ITT
I bet you nigger also think that communism is bloodless and fascism is totally worse even though you can't show that by any metric

They don't even forbid murder.

The word is very specific, and means you aren't allowed to kill in such a way that it creates blood-guilt with other families. It doesn't say anything about other tribes, religions, or peoples.

It uses same 10 commandments - so in that logic, Christians are allowed to do it too

You can show the number of people each send to death - Ratio is around 1/20 for soldiers at least, where 1 is fascism

Yes, and?

Can you all fags fuck off to /int/ or Veeky Forums

>True - every religion is fucked up,
Oh fuck off
You have no idea about either religion if you think Christianity is even nearly asas bad or should be mentioned in the same breath as Islam when it comes to fucked up shit.
The historical relativism of the left is fucking disgusting
>but muh crusades
Fuck off and read a book, Jesus fucking Christ
If you mention the shitty sides of a murderous deathcult you do NOT have to flagillate yourself and your cultural roots by somehow acting like a quite peaceful religion (and believe me, historically it really is) with it's roots in in victimhood and forgiveness is comparable

druidic holy roman empire-esque nation did 3 crusades into a mssive forest to remove kebab elves

I am talking about something else - bunch of crussaders that went off to fight the people in poland and LDK, and they had to deal with the fuckers for 200 years. So yeah murder because of religion is common in both sides.

Christians are repeatedly and actively discouraged from killing and their prophet and eternal idol to aspire to was a pacifist.
Muslims are actively and repeatedly encouraged to rape, murder, terrorize and enslave the unbeliever and Mohammed was a genocidal maniac who did exactly that.
>but Abrahamic religions don't count as unbelievers
Mohammed never cared and neither did Muslims and since his words and actions are what they aspire to that's obviously wrong

We've been over thAt in this thread, the crusades in the east were different from the original ones and mostly political.
But even if we pretend that they aren't, let's say you are right.
It still doesn't fucking change anything as every religion is capable of horrible things, even buddhism, the chaos went pretty insane with that.
What's important is that in Christianity or buddhism bloodshed and slavery are NOT something you should aspire to, while it is the goal and something great for Islam.
Mohammed was a warlord who was constantly killing and conquering people and built his religion around d the support of that, Jesus fucking died rather than defending himself.
It's NOT THE SAME.

>bunch of crussaders
That was Teutonic Order. They were a particular group of assholes who didn't give two shits about christians. First they were kicked out from Hungary for conspiring against the country that let them in after the Holy Land was retaken by muslims. Then Poland gave them land, they started playing political games against their hosts again. And after killing a bunch of fellow Christians they dropped catholicism and became Protestant monarchy. These Prussian faggots are something else entirely.

The Muslims did not actually run the Middle East into the ground, instead the focus of global trade shifted from Persia to the New World, and the traditional goods that used to flow in from Arabia were being shipped by sea via the African sea routes.

Or did you think it was mere coincidence the Muslim world began to die around the same time the Western Hemisphere began to colonize new lands?

*the japs, not the Chaos
Check out Buddhist warrior monks, they were pretty hardcore

Prussuans where baltic tribe that they exterminated, those guys are pretty much germans

It's almost like how Constantinople ceased to be the trade capital of the world right after the Muslims took it over, and how Spain became the leader in overseas colonies and wealth literally decades after it was liberated from centuries of Islamic dominance, or how Egypt and Tunisia and the rest of North Africa went from being some of the most advanced and wealthy region in the Mediterranean to producing literally nothing of value except slaves. Everywhere Islam thrives society dies, it's always been that way, it will always be that way because it's a shit belief system started by a delusional pedophile to line his own pockets and through either force of arms or systematic discrimination has managed to absorb other more successful societies before parasitcally living off of what made them successful until they're fully Islamic and no longer produce so they must move on. They're the electronic arts of the religious and get political world.

>they did not run the middle east in the ground they were just completely helpless once they were not the center of the world anymore and their embargos ceased to have impact

Modern christianity is a rather poor, castrated thing
People disregard most of the "good book", and this is why we consider christians pretty swell people.
Modern christianity is a very secular religion, and that's what keeps it popular.

The 4th Crusade killed Constantinople.
Muslins just ate the corpse.

Was that supposed to refute what he said? The Middle East wasn't ran into the ground, it simply became economically irrelevant for centuries.

>Muslins just ate the corpse.
Except they started eating it alive

When your whole position thrives on merely somewhat maintaining the monopoly position you from someone else and you fail to make any backup plans on how to not destroy your empire once this monopoly is gone, despite given centuries of time to think about that, you effectively ran it into the ground.

Yeah yeah and the library of Alexandria wasn't burned by them either, because someone else damaged it before...

Leave it to our pious roman catholic friends to screw things up and blame someone else.

Also, Alexandria was doomed by the roman conquest, were it started recieving less and less funds and stopped being able to attract scholars

>joke

>head

>you, sucking a cock

The Muslims had been eating the Byzantine Empire since they left Arabia.

I hope they run the West into the ground.

>They're the electronic arts of the religious and get political world.
Whoa hey now

That's a little extreme. NO ONE is as bad as EA

>Also, Alexandria was doomed by the roman conquest, were it started recieving less and less funds and stopped being able to attract scholars

I guess that means burning down the biggest library of the known world had no effect on the development of the region then. I mean if they start handing out fewer scholarships you might as well just destroy everything that has been researched so far...sounds absolutely consistent.

>People disregard most of the "good book", and this is why we consider christians pretty swell people.
Nope.
The old testament isn't what Christianity is about, the new testament is and even as an agnostic I can acknowledge that the new one is a pretty good book to live by if you want to be a good person.

Well the closest thing to the crusades happened a good 700 years ago in the setting. But basically humanity suddenly found themselves craving more land, thanks to developments in agriculture leading to a huge population boom, so they spread east and began conquering all the non-humans in the way. At least until the non-humans banded together and stonewalled them. It only ended on the 7th push eastward when humanities leading general and hero was defeated in battle and raped on the spot by a succubus champion.

The first crusade was pretty much just a way to get all the thuglike knights in Europe to stop killing each other and holy men, and to try to be more constructive in the Middle East. Problem is they mostly killed other Christians in the first crusade. We have all the lovely crusades to thank for creating "Jihad" the sand version of crusade.

The library of Alexandria as an instituition was already dead. There was no money, the museum and the other auxialiry buildings were closed by rome, etc. It was just a bunch of guys watching over some rotting books.
Also most of it was already copied somewhere else.
You can argue as much as you want that people burned down the buildings, but the library itself was already gone.

Terry Jones The Crusades

4 episode documentary on Dailymotion

>We have all the lovely crusades to thank for creating "Jihad" the sand version of crusade.
Kill yourself you fucking retard, the jihads were over 500 years older, how the fuck do you think the Muslims gained all that land?