Player wants to play a female character

>Player wants to play a female character
>character description includes "bitchy" as one of the main points
>"yeah, that's because she is a STRONG female character!"

>guy with little experience with women makes a bad female character
Now tell me something I don't know

That does sound stupid, but I do like to encourage my players to give their characters some negative traits. PCs are often admirable in a few distinct ways, but all too rarely do I see PCs with actual human flaws.

whats wrong with "Guy Hero" unapologeticly optamistic hero of the land. Driving his party to near instanity with his heroic antics and no fucking off switch?

any examples of well-made female protagonists in action-based stories and games?

I see no problem, assuming he's not an SJW.
Reminds me slightly of PsG. I'd allow it, but keep my boots ready for kicking.

Ellen Ripley

>women don't make "bitchy" characters ever

>Player wants to play a male character
>character description includes "douchey" as one of the main points
>"yeah, that's because he's an ALPHA male character!"

>primary negative characteristic is literally just a gendered slur
>strong female character

pick one

well, if bitchyness becomes the defining trait, then you not only have a character that actualy lacks in mental strength, but it manages to be both boring and tiresome, too

>Player wants to play a female character
>character description includes "slutty" as one of the main points

sometimes i just want to play a character who is a bad person, op

at least be honest in your reasoning, then

Everything is wrong with that user everything

what if a player plans on playing an old lady Ozzy ripoff?

>create bitchy female character
>it's a magical girl campaign
>because every schoolgirl anime needs a bitchy character
It's like you faggots don't even know how to create a character to fit the setting

+4 STR

/thread

how come that both right-wingers and sjw themselves always fall into this trap?

What's the other main point?

>written as a male role
>changed last minute because actor bailed
>the most literal form of "playing man. plus tits"
pottery

Well duh. Every strong woman character is basically just a stand in for a man.

She's an Ethical Slut.

What about Ripley in Aliens, where she was explicitly written as a female character?

I have like zero experience with women, but am great at playing one, so it's not really that relevant. If you are not a sperglord and have basic empathy, you should be able to understand the other gender. A bit of that and observation and there you go.

I also ooled people on multiple occasions that I personally am female (even when conversing with them or making online friends), because I wanted them to take my characters more seriously and not to judge me by playing the opposing gender. Before anyone asks, It was pbf.

You can be strong, even a complete hardass as a female, and not be bitchy.

As evidence I cite The Boss, Metal Gear Solid 3.

heroic, overconfident and or arrogant, then either quirk or delusional maybe both.

Nothing wrong at all.

>strong female is "bitchy"
Are strong male characters dickish? I like to think there are more types of strong male characters who are not dickish. Diskish is sorta the equivalent of bitchy.

I also like to think there are more female characters that are not bitchy.

I'm playing a determined and dedicated girl with lofty goals for the world but she's softspoken and kind. I like to think she's a strong willed person but she's cordial and polite in all her interactions.

I might be naive but I like to think that one's personality is not determined by gender.

Samus Aran! Emma Honeywell! Heather Mason! Jill Valentine! Elspeth Tirel! Commander Shepard! The Boss! Lady Maria!

Major Kusanagi.

The tip.

The Boss is the best example of a strong female character. Samus too.

It's funny how we had way better female role models in the early 00s and late 90s than we do now despite being more 'progressive'.

>"""""FEMALE"""""
I'm pretty sure Motoko doesn't have a gender.

Maybe it's an inference on my part, but I'm under the impression that the Major was a male before upgrading to a cyber-brain. Or maybe it's just my sexism rearing its head.

>player wants to play a character
>makes no description

She was born female, but she's been through so many bodies and cyberization that she's kind of lost touch with her humanity. It seems like she identifies more as a ghost than anything else.

Because there aren't a shitton of Bitchy characters in media. FFS, Warhamer Dwarves have an elite unit of Bitchy old fuckers!

Get over yourself and take the pussy down from the pedestal you dumbfuck.

It's almost like progressivism is inventing problems where they don't exist.

Is that actually stated anywhere? I'm not disbelieving you, I'd just like some certainty.

>user goes on Veeky Forums
>Makes up story for attention
>"Yeah, this way I'll DEFINITELY overcome my lack of friends and damaged childhood!"

Not anywhere in particular, but it's the implication I got.

But I do know it's canon she was born female. In the Anime at least it was mentioned she was in an accident as a child and received full prosthetics. She also mentioned that when she got her first body she accidentally crushed a doll in her hands.

Or maybe you like it in the butt

>Samus too.
the baby.

We don't talk about Other M.

Wait, I'm confused. What about his story is unbelievable?

Ellen Ripley is a great example in all the movies mostly because of Weaver owning the role. Maybe she was written as a man with tits, but she's far from one in Alien, and distinctly feminine in Aliens (I would argue in Alien as well due to the complexity of her relationship with her ex)

Samus and Boss both started out as good but were kind of fucked over by later games. The comics (which many autists screech are non canon) portray a great Samus.

What does this even mean?

How do you hide the scent of menstruation from monsters?

Mint leaves in the undergarments.

How do you hide the scent of mint?

Why would you ask this question?

birb girl is cute. CUTE!

Only fucks free-range Chads.

With somebody else's menstrual blood.

It's amazing how much more popular shoebill is than most other characters

+4 to raping crossdressing shota
+4 to being cucked by your best friend by a shota
+4 to beating up little kids

It's the awkward kuu-dere/tsun-dere thing

>If you are not a sperglord and have basic empathy, you should be able to understand the other gender.
And that's why women don't understand men: Because they lack empathy for men.

I'm a fiend for details.

Fuck off with your off-topic virtue-signalling.

>/pol/
Are you kidding? /pol/ favors traditional gender roles, which only reinforces a lack of empathy for men. Supporting empathy for men is anathema to both /pol/ and feminism.

I've seen this person in porn Is the base show worth watching? Or is it just another flavor of the season deal with no substance and all waifus?

>Supporting empathy for men is anathema to both /pol/
True fact, though they probably wouldn't agree.

>and feminism
You've been listening to some terribly shitty feminists, then; though the focus of the movement is obviously on men and not women (it's in the name), better discourse and empathy between genders is a goal of most feminists I've encountered. I'd like to say that most of the feminists you've seen have been cherry-picked for awfulness (this is Veeky Forums), but my experiences aren't yours, so I can't say for sure.

>though the focus of the movement is obviously on men and not women
read that as "women and not men", obviously

>1-dimensional trait
>strong character

Some (silly) people believe that a "strong character" is defined exclusively by in-story strength, whether physical, magical, or emotional. To be fair, the term's name can be a bit misleading; a true strong character possesses agency and depth, but need not have in-story "strength" of any sort.

The only non-shit female character I've ever seen was a female don quixote who was an old lady thinking she was a femme fatale.

The only one ever, user? What is it about most other female characters that you find so offensive?

I definitely agree my go to in this is comparing Rey from Force Awakens to Princess Buttercup.

Rey:
-Capable in various fighting methods
-Ace pilot
-Natural Force aptitude
-Only emotional trait is 'muh abandonment complex'

Buttercup:
-Literal Damsel in Distress
-Either kidnapped or lock-up the whole story
-Tries to reconcile guilt over moving on from most likely dead lover
-Tries to escape kidnappers
-Goes into incredibly dangerous swamp besides being an entirely normal noblewoman
-Catches when other character lie to her
-Pushes back against circumstances
-Would rather die than be married off when its proven her lover was alive (though she's believes he's been killed again)

Rey is by far the more active character, yet Butter cup is far more complex, interesting and is just as capable even though she is entirely unable to change her circumstances via sweet action moves.

>better discourse and empathy between genders is a goal of most feminists I've encountered
That's what they *say*, but it's not backed up by their actions.

I make all of my characters asexual-ish, even if they're male. Romance is not my thing because I don't know how the fuck it works.
Whenever I make a female character, I just make a male character, but with less assertiveness and tenacity, and more common-sense and carefulness.

I know how menstruation of humans came to be, but why does it have to be this way? pic related

I think it means she (or he) doesn't cheat with others or convince people to make bad or reckless decisions.

>You've been listening to some terribly shitty feminists
They tend to be very loud compared to the rest, and some are even influential in some significant places despite their erroneous claims and antipathetic rhetoric.

Until Return of the Jedi.

Again, you've had run-ins with some bad feminists. The fundamental goal of feminism is equality and understanding between men and women.

>They tend to be very loud compared to the rest
The most unpleasant members of any group tend to be the loudest, since they find it harder to get anyone to listen to them.

>and some are even influential in some significant places despite their erroneous claims and antipathetic rhetoric.
Some, yes, but they're still doing better than a lot of movements—look at MRAs, for example. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, but we shouldn't let it obscure larger ones.

>Some, yes, but they're still doing better than a lot of movements—look at MRAs, for example. I'm not saying that it isn't a problem, but we shouldn't let it obscure larger ones.
That sentence was shit. Let me break down what I meant:

- As a whole, feminism has a better ratio of good actors to bad ones then, say, the Men's Rights Movement, which is a toxic mess
- Though bad feminists do exist and do wield some amount of influence within the movement, we should not look at them and say "wow, fuck feminism, let's just ignore all feminist issues forever"; rather, we should debate the bad apples and support key feminist concepts (e.g. equality and understanding between genders) wherever we can, along with the movement itself

RIP

>As a whole, feminism has a better ratio of good actors to bad ones then, say, the Men's Rights Movement, which is a toxic mess
The MRM is only a "toxic mess" if you believe the feminist characterization of it, which is based entirely on groups like r/TheRedPill, whose members are traditionalists, not MRAs.

Please show me a subgroup, website, etc. you consider to be representative the Men's Rights Movement.

This is what follow up questions are for.
"Define Bitchy as it applies to your character and explain how it makes them strong."
"Bitchy? as in she complains constantly? This is supposed to give her an impression of strength?"
"What does strength mean to your character?"
"What was a moment of personal failing for your character and how did it effect her?"

You have avenues to use to achieve your goal if you just use them.

Actually, I'm going to sleep now, so you might not want to bother.

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>you've had run-ins with some bad feminists
AKA the nu wave feminists who dominate the current scene in the west, have been disavowed by the European feminists, and are precisly what you think of when you think of tumblr.

Bad actors in the feminist movement are more dangerous than their counter parts on the mens side, because "feminist" itself is a badge that suggests progressivism, nobility, and persistence. A "Mens Rights Activist" on the other hand is a bleeding heart pussy (part of the foundational challenge mra's struggle with) at best, or a toxic mysoginist at worst.

Feminists are good people with a few bad eggs. MRA's are bad people with a few good eggs. Do you see the disparity?

I liked Porkins.

Friendly reminder this faggot DIED five seconds later

>Feminists are good people with a few bad eggs
I really doubt that. Feminism definitely used to be a just cause based on equality, but unless you're going for a No True Scotsman it's definitely the majority of them that are bad eggs. My grandmother was a big feminist when she was young and has since disavowed the entire movement because it got usurped by third-wave feminists who think females should get special treatment instead of just equal treatment.
Of course I don't expect to have prolonged rational discussion with anyone who uses the phrase "toxic misogynist" without a hint of irony.

>without a hint of irony.
you didn't read my post very well then. My very point was the double standard where feminists are given the benefit of the doubt, and the implication of being 'noble progressives' while MRA's are immediately labeled the opposite.

Gentle femdom threads. In the interest of , I'll leave it at that.

Because sometimes, just sometimes, even SJW can be redeemed. And some men are crazy or brave enough to try.

Shoebill is cute! CUTE!

My apologies then, I understand now that you were discussing public reception of feminists and MRAs, not stating how you believe them to actually be.

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>he's asked for a subgroup of good actors in the MRA movement
>replies with a literal fucking /d/ thread group

are you fucking taking the piss m8

That would not happened if they told Porkins that the deathstar was a huge meatball.

Porkins died BECAUSE he stayed on target. If he had loosened up like his co had suggested, he wouldn't have died.

Shit! Now I want you to elaborate, but it would be hypocritical of me to ask you to go on a tangent.

What did you find great about the portrayal of Samus in the comics?

Personally, I found her fragility and instability incompatible with the experiences she had. However, that is my opinion and could be influenced by the quality of translation.

The general ethos of gentle femdom (going against traditional roles, men having inherent worth, giving men the same empathy and compassion people give women) lines up very well with MRA philosophy.

You've got your squads mixed up. It was Gold Leader who told his guys to loosen up, and Gold Squadron who paid the price for not doing so. Porkins was in Red Squadron.

In fact, "Stay on target", or any variation of it, doesn't belong in a picture of Porkins.

Actually, the advice given to Porkins was quite stupid: "Eject!"

Eject. Over the fucking Death Star. Which was either about to be destroyed or about to destroy the Rebel Alliance. So Porkins would either have died in the Death Star's explosion or suffered a fate worse than death when the Imperials picked him up, assuming they didn't just leave him to die in space.

big talk from a little piggy that wants to grind his cock on the soft soles of my feet

>The general ethos of gentle femdom

I don't understand why I like it so much, it's not even some kind of sexual appeal for the most part. I'm also by no means a gender egalitarian.

You'd know how idiotic this statement was if you actually knew anything about gentle femdom.

Well, I *do* find it sexually appealing, and I *am* a gender egalitarian.