Kaiserreich

What is a TTRPG where I can eliminate commies, national socialists, Mexicans, Germans, Californians, and other enemies of America?

I think you are confused there friend, CA is the most economically productive state in the union and is vital to the defense and health of the United States.

It's less him and more the people he associated with. Classic case of the establishment preferring fascists to leftists.

PSA traitors should leave. I bet you're a Syndicalist as well.

Huh what is this
>Khan Sternberg

Holy shit, its an alt history where Ungern von Sternberg became the Khan of mongolia? thats fucking hillarious

Generally an alt history where Germany and friends won ww1

Yeah.
There's a lot of randomness in the event, like, really a lot, and Mongolia has a long event chain. But he can end up owning all of China and most of Russian Asia, IIRC. If he wins all the war, that is.

man thats some unexpected relevancy.
that mad dog was from my city.

The best part is that it isn't even alternate history that he became Khan, just that he was able to keep it since the Bolsheviks weren't able to crush his regime.

Can we see the reestablishment of the Federated Shan States being a possibility somehow?

i didnt know that he was ever a khan, thats hillarious

This Kaiseranon back again, to answer some questions

He really isn't a fascist in KR, at least not anymore. There has been a concerted effort over the past 6 months(ish) to remove a lot of the more implausible, meme-driven lore. More on that later.

Long, when you boil him down, is really a typical Southern Democrat with a heaping dollop of anti-establishment populism added on. That said, the AFP has a lot of loonies on the fringe, and that's where nutters like Pelley and the KKK can get into power if they assassinate Long

See above. There's a significant revamp of China occurring right now, and Mongolia is going to be drastically restructured with it to more accurately represent the fact that it was basically an empty wasteland with a tiny population.

You'll still obviously be able to play Ungern and try to fulfill his crazy fantasies, but it will be an actual, interesting challenge now instead of a "Genghis Khan II" wankfest.

I can confirm that a lot of content is coming down the pipe for SEA in the very near future, Burma included, but that isn't my department, so I'm a bit short on details for it unfortunately.

Kaiserreich is too silly and all over the place with about 20 wars going on at once (China, India, USA, Germany, Austria, Turkey, French Africa, etc.)

I actually prefer Weltkrieg (which is based off of Kaiserreich) because it is the same idea but tamer on the alterations and more realistic.

That's a valid opinion, yet mister Kaiseranon said that they are working on that which is good.

I'm actually running a campaign in this setting right now.

Using FATE

>Great setting
I don't know mate, it has some pretty big leaps in logic.
>Britain is given a peace in which it loses mostly Africa and little else, yet still collapses AND turns communist
>Russia turns communist and then flips back to monarchist because reasons
>Belgium becomse Flanders-Wallonia, changing nothing except the name
>For no real reason communism is a threat in the USA and there's a second civil war
>The whole premise of the game is that German on WW1, yet it's in some shitty situation where everyone backstabs them

Great as a mod for Darkest Hour, though not the most plausible alternate history mod. A lot of the stuff relating to communism just feels a bit forced to create a Comintern that doesn't involve Russia. I also still don't understand how Syndicalism differs from socialism or communism, or why the Commune of France celebrates Bastille day when it's the start of a bourgeois revolution. But that may be because I'm dumb.

Syndicalism is less centralized than Communism, with control resting among labor unions rather than a Leninist style central committee.

And a bourgeois revolution, to Marxists, would be considered one of the many steps towards the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Kaiseranon returns!

>Britain is given a peace in which it loses mostly Africa and little else, yet still collapses AND turns communist

The war with Britain drags on until 1921, though at that point it's more of a blockade than anything. The British population is demoralized after France's defeat, sick of war, and near starvation. Remember, the PoD in Kaiserreich is Germany never initiating unrestricted submarine warfare, so the USA never enters the war. It's basically a collapsing Britain alone against the Central Powers.

>Russia turns communist and then flips back to monarchist because reasons

The Russian Civil War happened in our timeline too, user. The White's win this time around because their political factions are more willing to unite and compromise, and the Germans step in to support them with supplies & limited volunteers when the Whites implicitly agree to not go against Brest-Litovsk.

>Belgium becomse Flanders-Wallonia, changing nothing except the name

Except that it's now a German puppet ruled by a member of their royal family?

>For no real reason communism is a threat in the USA and there's a second civil war

The USA was ravaged by the Spanish Flu, and the Central Powers' victory means it doesn't get the big boost to exports and manufacturing that helping to rebuild Europe provided them OTL. The USA had a very strong labour movement that historically was severely weakened by a state-led crackdown after the Bolshevik Revolution. Since *actual* Communism is BTFO in Russia, the more moderate Syndicalists and lefties aren't oppressed as harshly, and emerge as a genuine political movement as the US economy continues to slide down the shitter with the Dust Bowl.

>The whole premise of the game is that German on WW1, yet it's in some shitty situation where everyone backstabs them

Because Germany is barely holding on to an enormous empire that it only got a few decades before, and also dealing with its own version of the Great Depression

Alright, that makes a lot more sense than what I originally thought happened.

They should leave and join the Dai Toa Kyoeiken? Excellent suggestion.

>tfw I'm not the only team member in the thread.

Well, since there's two of you here anyway I have some questions for you:
1. Why didn't you make a Kaiserreich mod for HoI 3? What made it different from DH and HoI 4?
2. HoI 4 is a really shoddy game. How are you guys going to deal with that when modding, when clicking your mouse three or four times and waiting a minute or two is enough to utterly overhaul your country's political leanings?

To pitch into this anons questions -
1) Could you add variants to infantry equipment, as well as armour and the like? There is an excellent mod that does this but it seems to be incompatible, which is a shame because it allows for some excellent control (For example, reducing production cost and increasing reliability on an older firearm to fill a kind of volksturm-gewehr role)
2) If you do plan to implement custom tech trees and equipment, will a tech-tree-free version be maintained so folks can still use Road to 56 and the like?

Thing is tho that one of the many reasons for the Dust Bowl was over production of crops to feed the war effort, and later rebuilding of some parts of Europe. Tho I do 100% agree about the greater acceptance of leftist movement in the timeline, hell if it wasn't for the crack downs I am sure we would have a much more leftest friendly US in OTL.

1) I dunno, lol, I was away during HoI3. And DH. I worked on HoI2 and 4
2) Well, we got rid of stupid broken shit like that. The party system of 4 does have some advantages over the sliders of 2. For example, in 2, alignments next to each other on the political sliders had to cooperate. Paternal Autocrats and Authoritarian Democrats always were easy to mix in your cabinet easy. Now, it's a lot easier to represent countries like Japan in OTL, where all the political ideologies, which are labeled 'far right' are trying to murder each other.

Kaiseranon you must fix the mod so that the syndicalists don't crush the germans every single game.

A big part of playing as a minor country is choosing wich faction to align with and that's not exciting choice to make when you know the syndicalists will inevitably win Weltkrieg 2.

I think a game set in the Second American Civil War would be neat, players get to chose a side or something and do espionage missions or something, or be set in the days leading up the Civil War, and you could represent different factions as tension grows or something. I dunno.

I feel like non-socialists are a bit left out from the event distribution, mostly because the International is a really cool chain of event.

I wish Father Coughlin played a bigger role in America.

Also transitioning to be the United States of Austria Hungary would be a neat chain of events, and give the more Democratic minded something to do other than live out socialist/fascist/monarchist power fantasies.

A large part of it is PDX shitting the bed with HoI4's development, and is going to take a while to fix.

You may have noticed the AI's tendency to ram it's head against a wall.

I actually like HoI4... even with all it's problems, call me a casual and all. Tho I almost exclusively play mods, unless a major content patch or DLC drops then I play that for a bit before jumping back into mods.

I agree, actually. There's a lot of mechanics that are well thought out, and overall it's nicely playable.

I think National Focuses are nice, and despite whinging, it's actually less ahistorical than the old way, which would involve either you being able to pull off multiple, contradictory goals at once, or having to blindshot guess where events would lead you.

I also went back to DH and HATED the air component.

Kaiseranon #1 back again

1) There was never a Kaiserreich for HOI3 because that game was an unholy nightmare to mod. It was before my time, but from what I've heard from others, an attempt was made by some people with the KR team's blessing to try to port it over, with predictably awful results.

2) A lot of KR4's development has been spent on unfucking the mess that PDX left everyone with. HOI4 is miles and miles easier to mod than HOI3, but the base game is so shallow that we're left with inventing new mechanics wholesale to make the game interesting.

1) We're in the very earliest stages of preparing a complete overhaul to the tech and equipment system. Like with the Burma question, that's outside my area of expertise, so I hope "It's habbening" is at least an acceptable answer.

2) AFAIK we haven't really discussed this because of how early into production the tech overhaul is, but I can't see why not.

I'd like to think SOME progress has been made here, since the last few games I've played have had a decent distribution of CoF:Germany wins.

A United States of Austria option has already been completed and added. I'm honestly not sure if it's in the current release build though. It should be...

Patrician taste in boards; I'm happy I'm not the only team member who browses Veeky Forums

Hey kaiseranon, outside of mechanics overhauls and such are there any plans to add more focus trees and lore to other nations then the ones in the mod? I am disappointed that no modder has made a tree for Malta, my families homeland, or Luxembourg.

Well, the hope is that eventually every country will have its own focus tree.

Of course, that goal has to be channeled through both the relative importance of a country, and finding people with the talent and motivation to create those trees. Neither Malta nor Luxembourg are present on the map at gamestart, so I wouldn't hold my breath for trees soon.

That said, the production schedule we have for this year is PACKED with new content and lore, so in the short-term, keep an eye on Portugal, Africa, East Asia.

#2 here.
We've actually talked about a Malta focus tree. I'm working on focus trees for some very unexpected nations for the next update.

>I also still don't understand how Syndicalism differs from socialism or communism
From what I can gather, syndicalism is less of an economic system and more of a political structure where power is invested in trade unions. For example, whereas the Russian Revolution was instigated by militant political parties, the Union of Britain was created from a general strike against the government.

Hey Kaiseranon, is there still any development ongoing for DH's version?

The basic idea is that companies should be owned by workers and workers should be organized into unions.

Historically mostly popular in Spain. Capitalist hated it because of the idea of companies not being owned by shareholders, communist hated it because it wasn't common property.

For those that are curious, it doesn't work because it's hugely anti-competitive. There is no reason for a union to take a risk and open a new car factory when they already own a car factory, even if it's a shitty car factory.

Syndicalism in KR seems to be a broad term, like "Socialism" including anarchists and "totalists" (bolsheviks?).

The less broader sense (Anarcho-)Syndicalism rejects the state and party organization, favouring strict bottom-up organization through labour unions and councils, a lot like the original soviets (soviet = council), but keep in mind that the first thing the bolsheviks did after winning the civil war was taking away the power of the soviets. The anarchists were right about communism from the beginning in this regard.

(Anarcho-)Syndicalism only ever got off in Catalonia during the Civil War. From what I could gather, it kinda worked. This sort of society was ill-suited for war, though. There is a reason that every country turns into a semi-planned economy during a total war, even if corporate property is not disappropriated on paper. When dealing with just one or two central problems, a planned economy actually outperforms other economies on a similar development level. That's also why Cuba has a better healthcare system than the USA, and does FAR better than any other Latin American country.

Anyways, the anarchists had problems making decisions and accepting authority. Ironically, the most effective of their militias solved this by getting themselves a Führer, which I argue occurs in every disorganized group facing extreme external pressure (I have rarely witnessed more totalitarian arragements than those "free spaces" and "anti-authoritarian" groups that populate Western universities). The guy's name was Buenaventura Durritti and lucky for them, he was a really cool dude. The guy was shot or killed on accident and the Republican government had no problem integrating their "puppet" country after the Barcelona May Days.

Their militias were pretty ineffectual, although not as much as one might think. They had lots of courage and heroic spirit on the offense, but lacked discipline on the defense. Their "training" and tactical leadership were nonexistent (sometimes they'd hold votes on whether or not to attack etc.), at least in the beginning. Their equipment was crap, but that was hardly their fault.

tl;dr Regular Syndicalists would have a hard time conduting war and very likely be completely unable to gather support for an aggressive war, unless the enemy is in already deep in shit.

Because new car factories is what everyone needs, right...

Car manufacturing is a large and profitable industry so yes, they are quite useful

Which shows that you're kind of mission the point. Yes, Syndicalism tends to be un- or even anti- competitive, but competition and the primacy of profit are hallmarks of a capitalist economic system, not a syndicalist one.

considering death count i would say classic establishment was right.

Well, I'm kind of happy to drive a new car with 140 break horsepower that gets 44 miles per gallon rather then a model T with 20 horsepower and 25 miles per gallon.

>fool France into pushing through the austrian alps
>cause them 360k casualties to 18k of my own
>start counter offensive in june, push them all the way to the french border adding another 150k casualties to france vs 30k own
>my italian ally didn't get the memo to stop at the alps and keeps pushing
>he bogs down and stacks up 600k losses, evening out our war score

fucking why, was playing austria btw, after playing some more I absolutely loathe Hoi4, it feels so fucking handheld compared to 3, but still I love some of the mechanics, especially those that aren't just blatant gameplay mechanics. For example stockpiling weaponry and equipment and the lend lease functions are cool. The Volunteer system is also nice.

Other than that I really dislike it. Especially how inflexible your troop compositions are, in HoI3 you can build every division as you like with brigades. And adapt them later. 4s mechanic is a step back imo.

The point user was trying to make wasn't that there would be no competition, but that the system would stagnate or at least be extremely slow in economic growth because it lacks competitive incentives.

>Example would be the Germans since in in our time line the German army got modernized and changed because of its loss in the war.
I think the German military would arguably be more advanced, not only because of the general militarism of the Kaiser and his government but also because Germany in Kaiserreich was still constantly involved in conflicts such as in Russia, France, and China long after the Weltkrieg ended. Also, the world in general seems to be more unstable and threatening than it was historically, and Germany would have been hard pressed to stay ahead of the threat of Syndicalist military dominance in Europe.

Which in and of itself is not a bad thing, as user was implying, if the economy works for the benefit of the working class.
I also feel like stagnation is a bit of a cop-out. If the implication is that technology in particular will stagnate, that's ridiculous, because technology has advanced without capitalism for virtually all of human history, and it's communication, not capitalism, which has accelerated it in the last couple of centuries.
I'm not saying syndicalism is a perfect system, or even that it isn't deeply flawed - every system has strengths and weaknesses. It just seems that people tend to judge all ideologies based on capitalism's strengths.

Reminder that Pyotr Wrangel is the one true Vozhd of all Russia. Savinkovfags OUT

I really like this mod, they were able to make playing Brazil fun, although the civil war event is more like a little revolt than anything else I only have to take são paulo and the commies give up

The only reason you can buy a car that isn't a 20 horsepower air cooled engine that cost $40,000 is economic competition.

I said economic growth, not technology.

Huey isn't
Pelley is

Best boy
Best empire

And I said that wasn't necessarily a bad thing given that an economy is fundamentally a means to an end, not an end unto itself. OTL that end is often soft political power and competition with other countries. The Internationale in Kaiserreich are their own, relatively insular, economic community, though, and their economy is geared towards internal stability and contentedness rather than competition.
The syndie economy has a different objective than a capitalist one, and I'd argue economic growth simply isn't a priority so long as all their workers are fed, clothed and content.

True but not necessarily true. Again, lots of tech has come out of other places than capitalist competition, and even that sort of competition is a fairly recent phenomenon in human history.
That said, there still is economic competition in the syndie market, it's not a communist planned economy. Syndicates still compete with each other to sell the better product or sell it cheaper, they just do it with worker ownership instead of shareholders. You could absolutely make the argument that they'll end up forming cartels and be anti-competitive that way, but last time I looked Germany is capitalist, and their car companies have just been outed as doing the same thing.

Totalism is more fascist than bolshevik, at least in Italy and England in the Kaiserreich universe.

Georges Sorel's work inspired both marxists and fascists, the Totalist Charter in Kaiserreich however takes after a fascist ideology more closely, plus it is written by Oswald Mosley and Benito Mussolini.

>implying

Really doesn't deserve all the shit he gets in real life for ruining his empire, except for his accidental sabotage of German diplomacy. I wish he could've been genuine friends with the Brits

He really fucked up a country in a great position with his combination of belligerence and retardation. He might also have been a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Just look at his exchange with King Leopold of Belgium (who also wasn't exactly the most sane of people): books.google.nl/books?id=fnVy4v5pZPMC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=In 1904 he invite Leopold to visit him in Berlin, spoke to him in the kindest way in the world about his proud forefathers, the Dukes of Burgundy, and offered to re-create the old Duchy of Burgundy for him out of Artois, Flanders, and the Ardennes. Leopold gazed at him open-mouthed then, attempting to pass it off with a laugh, reminded the Kaiser that much had changed since the Fifteenth Century. In any event, he said, his ministers would never consider such a suggestion. ... That was the wrong thing to say, for the Kaiser flew into one of his rages and scolded the king for putting respect for Parliament above respect for the finger of God (with which William sometimes confused himself). I told him, said William, I could not be played with... ... This dumbfounded King Leopold. He drove off to the station with his helmet back to front, looking to the aide who accompanied him, as if he had had a shock of some kind.&source=bl&ots=osg8LLZE5S&sig=RNIl9TLLSo8FNIA2znucIyyyz0g&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAGoVChMI_6KEyOPYxgIV6JzbCh3Yew8H#v=onepage&q=he invited leopold&f=false

tl;dr:
>He proposes the Belgian king to revive the Duchy of Burgundy if Belgium allies Germany
>The Belgian king points out how retarded and impossible this is
>Willy flies into an autistic fit of rage, problaiming himself the Finger of God and equal to Frederick and Napoleon

Both the result of thousands years of inbreeding and probably cousins (and also each other's uncles) I suppose?

Don't forget the time he asked Hitler when he was going to get back on the throne

By the way, is development of Darkest Hour Kaiserreich finished? It's all for HoI4 now?

that is
A) Wrong
and
B) False

>We could've had a glorious restoration of revolutionary values combined with imperial Roman splendor
>Instead we got a bunch of unwashed Germanics going full WE WUZ
1871 was a mistake, France's natural border is the Rhine,

I have to agree that the wars across the globe can get silly. Very gamey in fact. But it is fun to have so many different theaters to actually play in with events and focuses compared to the base game.

Based Hawaii. E V E R Y M A N A P I N E A P P L E.

Even with the default focus tree I have had some great games of Portugal. Some micro and plenty of encirclements lead to a relatively easy win when mittle africa declares war. I'll release nigeria as a puppet and use them for manpower in my conquests. Surprisingly fun.

based N3

>just stand and laugh while Austria gets clobbered in 1866
>get clobbered yourself in 1871 and have the German Empire decleared in your most prestigious palace
Frogs had it coming.

>just stand and laugh while Austria gets clobbered in 1866
While the details are unclear, the deal was most likely that Bismarck had promised to look the other way while France invaded Belgium (and would even support them if Britain started acting uppity) if France looked the other way while they fought Austria. Then the Germans pretended none of this happened during the Luxembourg crisis.

Conversely, the Austrian Emperor did want to get involved in 1871, which would've been sufficient to prevent two world wars and close to a billion casualties, but the Hungarians forced the hand of Austria because the Austrians can't fucking build an empire to save their lives.

Everything has gone downhill since Germany united. (and Italy too).

I blame Bonaparte, he antagonized them too much. Should have been more gentle.

>the Austrian Emperor did want to get involved in 1871
fucking wrong, you retard. While the General Staff was calling for revenge, the Emperor didn't want more bloodshed between Germans. It had nothing to do with Hungarians.

also
>be frog
>get played by Bismarck like a damn fiddle
noice

We could've destroyed them, like the French wanted, after WW1.

>Should have been more gentle.
Except the war against Prussia commenced with literal saber rattling. In fact, that's what the expression came from: Prussian soldiers provocatively rattling their sabers in front of the French embassy. It's true that this resulted in so much butthurt that Hitler actively tried to base his invasion of Paris on the model of Napoleon's invasion of Berlin (and despite having tanks and airplanes he still managed to take three times as long), but gentler treatment wouldn't do anything. In fact, the Prussian queen has become a national "hero" in Germany because she, pregnant as she was, begged him to not destroy Prussia. Because her husband was too much of a fucking coward to surrender in person.

This is the problem with Prussiaboos: they always whine about "mistreatment" when time again it's shown that so much misery could've been prevented by NOT treating the Prussians gently.

Pic related by the way. That does explain a big pattern in German history
>Ask for war
>Get it
>It doesn't turn out as planned
>"Why do they persecute us so?!"

Who is best Pope and why is it Julius IV?

you know that's the problem with Napooboos. They are quick to call for the destruction of Prussia and germans, but like to forget that France was at the mercy of Russia, who themself treated France relatively gently. For all intents and purposes the Tsar could have, and probably should have razed Paris to the ground and partitioned France into several sectors. It certainly would have prevented ww1 and 2 as surely as any other genocidal plans presented on Veeky Forums at a hourly basis.

You'd almost have a point if in 1830 the French went chimping out against the Russians because they weren't treated nicely enough.

Yes, because that would surely have calmed them down.

No, the frogs just chimped out twenty year later at the russians over not getting to wave their dicks around the middle east.

Better ten angry germanlets trying to step on each other and get power over the others than one grossgermania, m8.

When you love Germany so much, you want ten of it.

How about a big healthy dose of NEIN?

If you guys need help with lore stuff, I LIVE alt-history! I can't wait for more lore and trees then!

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I guess I don't mind just nine germanlets instead of ten.

Begone foul frogeater, don't you have someone to backstab?

My wife is from Naples, Italy and she would agree with this wholeheartedly. The South (of Italy) remembers.

Hey, I think something's wrong with your first lady. Is there a drought going on in France right now or something?

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