So if the UK has a hard brexit does that mean forgeworld goodies be cheaper for us in America

As apposed to listening to Manchildren in college who legit think Communism isn't a vapid wash?

The EU is increasingly going a way that is against British interests, getting out now is a smart choice.

England is a constitutional parliamentary democracy with a titular monarch as head of state.

In a few years perhaps, if the UK negotiates a free trade agreement with the US. Not any time soon, no.

Depends on how deeply it craters the UK economy.

Hard brexit would just be no ties, brittain gets what they want. Fuck the police.

Soft is basically the status quo minus financial contributions to the EU.

The UK pretty much has no choice either. If they dont deal with the EU then they'll be dropped with zero trade. They have literally zero bargaining power.

>Zero bargaining power

Well, there is the whole "UK not trading with France or Germany catapults both of their economies into a huge shitfling and causes Spain and Ireland to become Mega-Greeces in terms of collapsing inwards.

The UK is basically a huge Economic plug that is keeping MANY economies in the EU afloat.

There is literally nothing Germany could do to stop this, so that's why they are gunning so hard for a Soft brexit.

Well, before brexit talks were launched, the UK had the fastest growing economy in the EU, now it's the slowest growing.

And Brexit itself hasn't even started yet.

Uncertainty will do that to an economy, not Brexit. Once it's finalized, the economy will grow.

>UK not trading with France or Germany catapults both of their economies into a huge shitfling and causes Spain and Ireland to become Mega-Greeces in terms of collapsing inwards
UK not trading with Europe anymore would be the best economic boon for France ever, since the two economies basically produce the same things. One big competitor out.

What's the point of discussing economics when Brexit was by and large a cultural decision made by a bloc of voters who were specifically and self-admittedly against immigration?

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>so that's why they are gunning so hard for a Soft brexit.
Except that the EU negotiator for Brexit is aiming for the hardest brexit possible.

yes.
brexit means that the UK economy will be reoriented towards producing real value towards the economy, instead of shuffling money around.

the financial class wants to have a very high pound because they want lots of foreign investment to play with and swash around in their london investment banks. none of that money will be ever seen by normal people.

when brexit happens, their currency will be priced lower, making it much easier to export products, by lowering the price.

the brexit debate is really a conflict between bankers who want an economy oriented towards their useless bullshit that helps only them, and normal people that want an economy oriented for everyone.

the banker side doesnt really have a rational argument, and most people are aware that they just want to sell the countries future for a yacht and a blowjob. so they have enlisted the help of racial minorites, who have peripheral loyalty to the country anyway, to distract us from that fact.

>buying from forgeworld
Theres a land beyond the sea where the minis are cheap and the casts are good, and things never go out of production.

Are you joking mate?

France produces nothing in the realm to what Britain does.

Hell, you know Macron is gearing up Paris to try and out London as the Economic capital of Europe, do you know how much of a joke that actually is?

>Shitty public transport
>Shitty skyline for head offices
>Shitty infrastructure to support office life

Dublin and Frankfurt are 100% more likely to try and oust London, and Germany has fucked Ireland's laws up so Dublin cannot sustain tons of businesses and Frankfurt has admitted they lack the infastructure.

As for Luxury production, Both produce complete opposites.

Britains biggest competitor in economic trade in the EU has always been Germany, and both have muddied their economies and production together so much if either dies the other fucks over.

He's pretending to. You can't claim there is a "No ties ever" Brexit when BMW are already confirming a new British Auto plant.

The fact that 60% of Germany's cars are bought by Britain would literally smash Germany's economy overnight.

Germany NEEDS Britain to both buy car parts from and to SELL CARS TO.

All the EU wants is to steal London's power, and that simply won't happen.

Having been in both London and Paris, London's infrastructure is decayed and decades behind Paris', and that is not saying much because Paris is pretty shit.

Also,
>France produces nothing in the realm to what Britain does.
This is simply wrong. Pic related

Hard Brexit will kill the UK and turn England basically into a third-world country.

>Having been in both London and Paris, London's infrastructure is decayed and decades behind Paris', and that is not saying much because Paris is pretty shit.

>Britain has the worst flooding in decades
>Themes doesn't even burst it's banks

>Paris has some rainfall
>Whole city reeks of shit because the plumbing is still 300 years fucking old.

>here look at this extremely generic groupings of exports.

You know Aircraft Spacecraft and launch vehicles is a massive fucking difference in parts and sales right?

You're so retarded mate. The entire British car industry will relocate to continental Europe. But there's no native British car industry left anymore. The British will HAVE to buy European cars, or they can bring back the horse carriage.

Which one is France and which one is the UK ?

>1 cm of snow
>London is in full stop

Then why did BMW just announce a NEW Auto-plant in the UK?

Either BMW are going to literally laugh at the EU and produce cheap cars in Britain for Britain, or the Germany-British Auto trade economy is not going to flinch.

I mean I understand if you're some kind of Brainwashed remainer who thinks moving ENTIRE INDUSTRIES OVERSEAS is a profitable venture for anyone but investment banking, but honestly, where the fuck are they going to put these jobs?

If they could relocate them so easily, it would have been done before, Germany tried it and it didn't work.

>1cm of snow
>Paris is in full stop AND stinks of shit again as the snowmelt enters the sewers.

I have a little easy quest for you, try to get from one side of Paris to the other, then try the same for London.

Then try and get from the suburbs of Paris to the center of Paris, and try the same for London.

You'll see the difference.

>He's pretending to
>m-merely pretending
Drop the act. The hardest the Brexit the more businesses will have to relocate in the EU to keep on doing business, and he knows that.

What does a person in Paris and the city of Paris have in common?

It never fucking works and it's plumbing is clogged up with Brown waste.

Well, before Brexit even starts the british economy already sinks and their government is in turmoil. There's no real reason it will get better.

Are you stupid? Businesses relocating is always a last resort.

It ALWAYS costs money, either in regaining manpower or rebuilding infastructure.

Banks it's easy, but if you legit think the Auto-trade industry would relocate in only what? 3-4 years, it's obvious you're a fucking middle class remoaner or a Europhilic dunce.

I mean let me give you some advice. British machines would stay in Britain. So Germany would need to buy the specialist machines FROM BRITAIN.

>I have a little easy quest for you, try to get from one side of Paris to the other
Had to do it for a train change, it's done in under 50 minutes.

t. Sadiq Khan, mayor of a city where middle schoolers chant allahu ackbar in the streets.

Now try the suburbs, you know, where your "Relocated" Workers will be staying.

Now imagine the fact that the UK is now installing a train line where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW.

One of the biggest memes ever is that London is scared of the EU, the truth is, London doesn't want to lose centralised power over the UK, No EU means London is less important to Investment banking. which means places like Leeds become prime real estate.

>Resorts to /int/ tier babyposting

As expected from a butthurt Parisian.

EU stalling tactics are lovely. The EU has become an authoritarian regime insisting that it is the defender of liberal democracy. There are many ways to strip people and governments of their self-determination. The way the EU has chosen is to create institutions whose mode of operation is opaque and whose authority cannot be easily understood. Under those circumstances, the claim to undefined authority exercised in an opaque manner becomes de facto authoritarianism – an authoritarianism built on complexity. It is a complexity so powerful that the British negotiating team is deemed to be unable to grasp the rules.

In recent weeks, EU negotiators have claimed that the British negotiators of Brexit are not sufficiently sophisticated to understand the complex issues being dealt with. The British team consists of well-educated and experienced civil servants. In claiming that this team is not up to the task of understanding the complexities of EU processes and regulations, the EU has made the strongest case possible against itself.

why would they lower the sale price when they can keep it the same and pocket the lower cost of production difference

>where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW
That's impressive considering it takes 5h nowadays. A bit late to invest in high-speed train.

In other news, Paris-Lyon is under 2h, Paris-Bordeaux under 3h30 and Paris-Marseille under 3h, and that there's only Toulouse left without a high-speed line.

>Now try the suburbs, you know, where your "Relocated" Workers will be staying.
Suburb to center is pretty easy in Paris, it's only direct lines. The only difficult thing is suburb to suburb since the circular line is under construction

>In other news, Paris-Lyon is under 2h, Paris-Bordeaux under 3h30 and Paris-Marseille under 3h, and that there's only Toulouse left without a high-speed line.
Aren't also the Lyon-Torino high-speed line and the links with the german high-speed network under construction ?

>Now imagine the fact that the UK is now installing a train line where it would take about 1 1/2 hours to get to London King's Cross from GLASGOW.
Is that decided, voted and under construction ?

well said my man

>Slowest growing.

The only economy growing faster than Britain in the EU is Germany at 1.8%. The UK is growing faster than France, Spain, Italy, etc at 1.7% and that's using IMF projections which have been shut recently.

Britain is the MARKET for France, not a competitor. No deal fucks over France, not the UK.

Good projections my man, but actual statistics show that in Q1 2017 the UK growth is 0.2%, and 0.3% in Q2 2017.

That's lower than any country in the EU, including Greece.

>Soft is basically the status quo minus financial contributions to the EU.

That's wrong. Soft Brexit means they keep on paying, they still have to adapt EU laws and regulations, accept the rulings of EU courts and that the Poles can keep moving into the EU as they see fit. The british government get no say in any of it on top of that.

It's basically the best solution for the rest of Europe after this british fuck-up, but the worst for Britain and for Leave-voters. So chances are that London will simply drop the whole charade and pick up where they left with all the excemptions and rights they gained over decades of membership. Because the alternatives all are stupid and self-destructive.

Amusing when we are heading in that direction alongside those nations that head the European Union (at least on a demographic level)

Of course the obsession with continuous economic growth at any cost is what fuels the stampede towards the cliff edge.

The UK gets around 300000 legal immigrants from the former commonwealth every year, and they stay. Protip: they aren't aussies nor canucks.

But Britain doesn't have the manufacturing capabilities to produce what they buy from France and the rest of continental Europe. However, continental Europe sure has the capabilities to make what they buy currently from the UK. There's a radically big asymmetry between the two markets.

>The UK has zero bargaining power
Wrong on so many levels.

That's funny, because British manufacturing is doing brilliantly at the moment. Export order expectation gas grown to the highest since the1970s, output is at the highest it's been since 1995. Both domestic and export orders are up roughly 20% and 32% of firms are expanding at the fastest rate for three years. And this is all according to the CBI who are pro-EU. Greece on the other hand is requiring another bailout.

>if the UK has a hard brexit
More than 80% of votes went to hard Brexit parties.

You cannot stop us now

Britain doesn't trade with the EU at an equal level though. Exports to the EU make up less than half of total exports and most of those EU exports are hard to source components required for manufacturing and industry. Tarrifs on the UK would hit the EU countries that export a lot to the UK harder, while Britain would be gaining more in tarrifs than would be paid to export to the EU

Well, I don't know what to say to you, except that the ONS actually released the numbers and it makes you lie quite a bit.

theguardian.com/business/live/2017/jul/26/uk-gdp-britain-economy-second-quarter-2017-live
>"Despite frothy optimism in sector survey data, manufacturing failed to make a positive contribution to GDP growth"

There is nothing he EU does for the UK that couldn't be replicated with an alliance and trade deal. Why should we accept the subsumption of the United Kingdom into the planned European state for little benefit and great cost? Especially as many nations around he world can trade, work and travel within the EU with ease?

>Using the Guardian as a source on Brexit.

That like using Breitbart on Muslims.

It's a live on the latest economical data. They aren't even pinning it on Brexit.

German auto workers aren't going to want to hear that when they're laid off because the UK embargoed their cars.

The UK can't really afford to embargo their first trade partner, especially with a sluggish economy and a weak political leadership.

If a hard brexit is such a big risk for the EU as brexiteers say, why is the UK the only one to slow down in growth ?

two world wars and one world cup

Plus, Germany actually has a balanced budget and a low debt, the UK has a large deficit and a huge debt.

>They're already discussing brexit lite.
The British, yes. The Germans and, with the election of Macron, the French are unwilling to budge. Merkel wants to punish Britain for leaving Merkelreich, Macron wants to reform finance in France and inviting over finance from London never hurts.

That, and the one who's fucking Britain over the hardest is actually May. By starting the Article 50 procedure (pro-tip: because this has never happened before, there's nothing obliging the British government to start Article 50 before starting exit negotiations), Britain has put itself on a 2 year timer. This gives the EU a lot of power, and its negotiators know this. They will most likely throw what they want to discuss first on the table, after getting what they want cross their arms, wait for the timer to run out and tell Britain "Oh dear, is it this late already? Well, time to go home!" and leave Britain empty handed. (businessinsider.nl/article-50-deadline-2017-7/?international=true&r=US)

And THEN there's the fact that May called for unneccessary elections that weakened her party, forcing her for the first time in a very long period to have a coalition government rather than a one party government.

Brexit could've been a smart move for Britain, that was still a very viable future course when the British people made their will known. It's just that May has proven herself incredibly incompetent. She may go down the books as the most incompetent leader of the 21st century, and given that she's competing with Mutti Multiculti and "the poor are toothless" Hollande that's saying a lot.

I imagine the one with the bigger petrol exports is Britain (North Sea Oil) and the one with the bigger wine exports is France (duh).

HAHAHAHAHAHA

No it fucking doesn't.

It wouldn't be an embargo in that sense. Just that other cars would be far cheaper, both the ones domestically produced in Britain and cars from outside the EU (which would be free of the obscenely high EU tarrifs) would push German, French and Italian exports out.

A titular monarch who has withheld consent for parliamentary bills in the past, preventing them from passing it into law.

Because the housing bubble is deflating slightly causing construction to reduce to keep prices high, and we haven't left the EU yet so it hasn't been affected yet.

>both the ones domestically produced in Britain
??????
>which would be free of the obscenely high EU tarrifs
EU tariffs on cars are literally WTO-tier, so they wouldn't be cheaper than they are now.

I mean are people really forgetting the huge Tarrifs on Japanese cars are whats keeping the Japanese car market from dominating Britain?

If brexit makes the pound lose more value.

There won't be some magical "free trade agreement" making things cheaper though.

It's all smoke and Mirrors at the end of the day, because BMW are still building more British Auto-plants.

You can't suddenly call that what it isn't, investment. If they were going to talk jobs away, they wouldn't make more British Auto-plants.

Hell, Germany might abuse Britain out of the EU to sell Globally like their deal with America that just went through.

>??????
He's probably not aware that Bentley, Rolls Royce, Mini etc. are now German owned.

Hahahahaha. Yes, the Krauts regularly run budget surpluses. When was the last time you jolly lot pulled that off?

>You can't suddenly call that what it isn't, investment
Except that you are looking at 1 (one) investment rather than the big picture

I don't know the details, but I imagine that's just some sister/daugher company loophole, in the same way Coca Cola has a company in Luxembourg (I think? It's somewhere in the Benelux) to avoid the EU's import tarrifs for its products. We should certainly not see the actions of a German private entity as proof that the entire EU will go soft on Britain, when its two biggest powers have already expressed the desire to punish it and the only bloc of countries willing to go soft of Britain consists of the Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland (nobodies in the grand scheme of things).

And what is the big picture?

Why would BMW invest into Britain if it's going to be removing jobs from Britain.

Are you stupid or something? Why would a company spend money to lose money?

Now try and build a Bentley in a German Factory... Oh wait.

You can own the name, but the manufacturers are all 100% British.

France and Germany can pretend they can be hard on Britain all they want, they're literally impotent threats when Germany's economy tells mama Merkel to go fuck herself behind her back.

And no, It's BMW investing into the Mini company, because ONLY Brits and Italians buy Minis. So BMW is not going to spend money to lose money.

Europhiles need to stop pretending the ECONOMIC part of the EU is going to bow down to the Socialist retards, especially when the country they want to "Punish" was the third biggest contributor to their great Marxist experiment.

Also, Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland would not really be people to piss off, the last thing Merkel wants is them on Britain's side.

and zero bargaining chips

The EU is based on another kind of mentality than "what's in it for us?".
It's a grand vision of Europeans working ever closer together to build a better future in the long run. That's why we in the West spend a lot of money helping those in the East.

The UK is coming along on this ride. It used to be in the front seat, now moving to the back seat. That's all that "brexit" really is.

>manufacturing keeps on falling in britain
Well that was unexpected with all this inflation

You mean no longer in the passenger seat with Merkel riding into shitstainistan.

Well done OP.

>Falling

I mean, no shit with the unstable flux due to the unsure nature of Brexit right now.

But a little advice; Invest in Whiskey company stocks, Brexit is gonna finally break Whiskey into the India Market and it'll be a fucking boom.

But everyone else is growing. Even fucking Greece is growing more than the UK.

>You can own the name, but the manufacturers are all 100% British.
"Own the name"? Bruh, you know that Bentley and all of its factories are part of the Volkswagen Group, right? It is in its entirety property of Volkswagen. The case isn't that Volkswagen "needs" British factories for its Bentleys, it's that they're providing British jobs. This is also why, when PSA (French) bought Opel (German brand owned by American General Motors), the first thing that concerned the Germans was whether or not this would lead to loss of jobs. Merkel even publically stated she was fine with the merger as long as it didn't mean jobs would move away from Germany. Because PSA could very well move all Opel factories from Germany to France if they wanted.

So this doesn't give the British government a means of pressure, only a way to cut themselves in the fingers by reducing employment.

First of
>Europhiles
Far from it, stop seeing demons everywhere. I detest the EU, I just see that Britain is handling its exist very incompetently and could've made smarter moves.

>because ONLY Brits and Italians buy Minis
Is that so?
raycee1234.blogspot.nl/2013/02/bmw-mini-car-sales-by-country-2012.html
Because as far as I can see it's most popular in the USA, and Germany, China and France buy more of them than Italy (though sales are decreasing admittedly). If Britain chooses to exclude itself from the EU's markets, this is far from a death sentence for Mini (or other German goods, or French ones for that matter).

>Also, Netherlands, Denmark and Ireland would not really be people to piss off
"Piss off"? What're they gonna do, follow Britain down the hole? They're a bloc that tries to soften the EU's stance and will probably fail, because the big powers in the EU either actively benefit from punishing Britain (Germany, France), don't care (Italy, Poland) or are butthurt over other reasons (Spain).

Because of the indecisive nature of Brexit. Not Brexit itself.

What would you bet on the most bro.

10% return of investments
??% return of investments

If you knew anything about economics, you'd understand uncertainty is the biggest growth killer.

The UK welcomes something like 300000 new brown third worlders every year. It has taken the high speed train to shitstainistan long ago and keep trucking on brexit or not.

Question for UK-anons: What exactly is it that you want?

Last month I ordered a board game from an American company. The game cost 45 USD and then I got hit with toll fee and import tax adding another 50 USD. Fucking stupid.

When I buy games from UK I don't have to worry about that. The product costs the GBP the website says it does. That's how it should be. Good for me. And good for the UK business I buy from since it makes me much more likely to buy from them.

Hard brexit means the UK is all the way out. No contributions, not part of the single market (though they can still negotiate a trade deal to retain access or suck up the 3% WTO tariff), no free movement with mainland Europe, and naturally no seat on the EU parliament.

Soft brexit means the UK remains a part of the single market, remains open to free movement and continues to pay (lessened) contributions, but no longer has a seat at the EU parliament.

Basically soft Brexit means all of the downsides and none of the benefits of hard Brexit.

>But a little advice; Invest in Whiskey company stocks, Brexit is gonna finally break Whiskey into the India Market and it'll be a fucking boom.
That sounds like the weirdest get rich quick scheme I've heard in a while. Explain.

>remains open to free movement and continues to pay (lessened) contributions
Not really, because the rebate already put them on the same level of contribution per capita than Norway, who has the sort of model a soft Brexit would be.

>buy whiskey stocks
>india starts buying whiskey
>whiskey stock value rises
>???
>profit

Stop pretending you're not just some buttmad kraut bro, it's unbecoming.

Volkswagen can own the Bentley name all they want, but like I said.

Show me a factory in Germany that can make a single Bentley. They can't.

It seems you don't fucking understand how Luxury items work.

EU Tariffs on British Whiskey are fucking horrific right now due to it being an extremely sort after luxury good. It's why it costs fucking bank to import it into places like India.

UK outside of the EU means India can come begging for that Scotch goodness.

Like I said though, Germans seem to think Luxury items don't exist.

Not only that, but people voting Brexit for the sole reason of "getting their country back" is probably the dumbest reason to support it.

ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15

Leave activists have attempted to win over "Asian" votes by promising that after all those filthy Poles are booted they'll be replaced by "Commonwealth" migrants. For those of you keeping track, that's the Leave camp making reducing the number of white people and increasing the number of brown people one of its policies.

>Stop pretending you're not just some buttmad kraut bro, it's unbecoming.
But I'm not. Would it make you happier if I goosestepped for a bit und ztarted typing like zhis, ja?

>It seems you don't fucking understand how Luxury items work.
Oh, fuck off.

autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/brexit-bentley-could-shift-production-europe-‘worst-case-scenario’
Bentley's CEO is putting pressure on Britain, not Germany. He's saying that if Britain doesn't secure free trade with the EU, Bentley's companies will move to EU countries. If you want to be anal about it this doesn't mean Germany per se, but eh... whatever.

They're going to up the price no matter what happens.

>"Bentley" moves to Poland
>Loses it's entire Artisan grade staff
>Shits out a couple awful cars that nobody buys because they're no longer top of the line
>Volkswagen loses billions for no reason.

Bentley's CEO is talking hot air. If that was a profitable situation it would have happened when Bentley was taken over.

Or do you somehow think all the Bentley staff are going to move to Germany for some reason?

Which again, makes me think you have no idea what a fucking Luxury Good is, which makes me think you're German.

There's no factory in the UK who can make a Bentley either. It takes many factories to build a car. The supply chain is complex and huge and virtually never fully inside a single country.

Do you want a "hard brexit" and suddenly disrupt the logistics of the big manufacturing corporations? Maybe you do, but those corps don't.