>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list. mtgcommander.net
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>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet. edhrec.com/
>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity. manabasecrafter.com/
Not really hoping for reprints. It's tribal shit. Hoping for more Lore figures into cards like Ramos, Taigam, and Wasitroa
Samuel Miller
i want to but i dont have anyone else to play with and i dont know how to set it up id play with your id you wanted to teach me how to set it up though
Luis Ortiz
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:
Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.
Ian Williams
I had a question about color identity in commanders and the OP image solves it pretty well.
Say I have a mono red commander (Krenko, whatever).
I couldn't also have OP's card in my deck, could I? Because it's technically also a black and white along with red, and if I had IT as my commander I'd be able to also play Black and White cards?
Jaxon Ward
>he's not hoping for shared animosity or mana echoes
anyways, i think a more pertinent question is what do you hope they DON'T reprint in c17. i'm hoping the cat deck doesn't print another copy of jareth, leonine titan. he already had a c15 and ema printings recently. but i could see them doing it, for the kitties.
Jaxon Barnes
Yep, the card in the OP is red/black/white.
Ian Jackson
The color identity of a card is: >That card's color or colors >The color of mana symbols in that card's mana costs and rules text >That card's basic land types
For some examples: Archanged Avacyn is WR. Alesha is WBR Identity. Murmuring Bosk is WBG.
So, you're correct in both your assumptions.
Joshua Collins
Put the fucking thread title in the subject line. It's not that hard and makes it significantly easier to find. If you're going to make a thread at least do it right.
Jack Cooper
same
Brody Thomas
Can I get your guys opinions on this?
Benjamin Reyes
The picture that was tweeted out makes it look like there are at least three colors to the final deck, seemingly including Red.
Smart money is on Grixis Wizards or Rogues.
Luke Stewart
The Vampire one looked tri-color too to me, couldn't make out what they were (I hope Mardu), but it seemed to have three simbols
Isaiah Cox
Dragons got spoiled and everyone thought it was going to be all five-color tribes. Cats got spoiled and everyone starts thinking it's going to be 5/3/2/1. Nobody expected Cats, so expecting the thing to follow any sort of pattern at all is a bit pointless. 5/3/2/3 is just as likely.
Henry Gutierrez
Anything other than Mardu would be retarded, since the Ixalan spoilers showed White vampires.
Luis Barnes
That would be perfect for newcomers: get the 3 color vampire deck, go to Ixalian prerelease, trade for vampires and improve the original deck. Ixalian seems good for improving manabases too, since it includes shit like Dragonskull summit and the likes.
Dominic Thompson
On that note, it'll be a little dumb if the last deck is Rogues, since they made Pirate a creature type instead of just letting pirates be Rogues too.
Jordan Thomas
Leaker confirmed that last tribe is wizards
Jonathan Barnes
If it's not Wizards, I'll bet on Clerics, for the same reasons.
Nicholas King
Was that guy confirmed to be the leaker? He also said "I have still have a picture of her on my phone" and then didn't post the picture, so that comes across about as well as "I have a girlfriend from another school".
Brandon Scott
That claim was untrustworthy at best. There's no reason to believe that he's the original leaker or that he's telling the truth.
Jeremiah Ross
Dragons with random human and spirit support Vampire Knights Cats Cleric Humans
Brayden Nelson
Even if he was a phony, odds are high that it's wizards. Clerics haven't got tribal support in 15 years, and rogues had like 2 tribal cards 10 years ago and that's it.
Wizards are a supported tribe, but the actual shit the tribal wizards do is very non-traditional (eg, there are no +1/+1 to all wizard Lords, and most of the wizard Lords give wizards a tap ability, which means they aren't synergistic at all)
Jacob Ortiz
>rogues had like 2 tribal cards 10 years ago and that's it
Rogues have an entire tribal mechanic.
Angel Howard
Cats weren't particularly supported as a tribe either. Their only lord was Raksha until Amonkhet.
Henry Wood
They haven't done a dedicated tribal set in a long time. Afaik Lorwyn was the most recent one and it had clerics as a tribe. Wizards get printed more often but wizards' tribal-matters cards like Riptide Laboratory are almost all pretty old too. Rare exception for Dolcent of Perfection, which is a one-off design.
Carson Cook
The plate armor kind of gives it away that it's not gonna be wizards. It might be soldiers however.
Landon Williams
>They haven't done a dedicated tribal set in a long time. Afaik Lorwyn was the most recent one
Innistrad was a tribal set, and even Shadows was, to some extent. They're not doing Tribal as a card type anymore, but that doesn't preclude sets from being "Tribal".
Jeremiah Carter
>It might be soldiers however.
Are you fuckin serious, m8?
Mason Rogers
Nope xdddd
David Taylor
Innistrad had some lords and cards that cared about tribes but it wasn't a tribal block the way that Lorwyn and Onslaught were. Innistrad is only a little more tribal than other sets, closer to Mercadian Masques which only had Mercenaries/Rebels tribal. Innistrad has zombies/vampires/humans. Alpha had type-matters cards like Lord of Atlantis but it wasn't a tribal block. A much larger proportion of the cards in Lorwyn/Onslaught care about tribes.
Owen Jones
>Innistrad has zombies/vampires/humans.
Innistrad has Zombies, Vampires, Humans, Spirits, and Werewolves. Early drafts of the block literally used the Tribal card type.
Dominic Gutierrez
What's your favourite commander who just isn't good enough?
Xavier Carter
>tfw combo heavy meta
Ryan Wright
>Leaker confirmed that last tribe is wizards >doesn't look like a wizard at all
Looks more like some kind of weird human with cracks
Cooper Long
Innistrad had tribal themes pushed for limited and standard but it wasn't a tribal seylt. Not even close to Onslaught and Lorwyn.
Source: Maro himself states this on his podcast on numerous episodes about Innistrad, Onslaught, Tribal Sets, and Top-Down Design.
Jack Garcia
I play him anyway but needing to run 25+ instants to get value from him really chokes down on your wincons. You just can't make him monoblack goodstuff which seems to be the only way to build black decks if you aren't combo. It's a weird voltron/steal your creatures I kill deck that folds hard with Toshi hate.
Logan Myers
The hero we need. Not the hero we deserve.
Bentley Powell
I use him regardless. Absolute favorite legend.
Tyler Morgan
I hope they reprint the staples in green blue and white that are 10$+
Adrian Ross
Toshi folds to hexproof/shroud, which is why you shouldn't center it solely around voltron.
Easton Reyes
This is getting autistic. Wait till the last thread dies before you make a new one holy shit. The fact that both commander threads are being updated at the same time is baffling. We know you have a hate boner for the Discord anons but you're becoming worse by wasting board space for no reason. It doesn't help that you forgot the fucking subject line- How new are you? Let someone who knows how the board works make the threads in the future.
Kayden Campbell
And then they toned down the tribal elements.
Adam Sanders
I think you'd have to be pretty picky to say Innistrad wasn't a tribal block. Sure, not as tribal as Lorwyn, but definitely still tribal.
Cameron Campbell
I have a monoblack deck and I'd like a way to deal with troublesome low cmc hate/stax artifacts. What is some spicy tech for this purpose that's not too narrow? I'm rather creature light, so Gate to Phyrexia is out of the question. Did anybody put pic related to good use?
Luke Collins
Scales gets gummed up by tokens. Disk is, of course, a classic: damn the collateral damage, when you're behind it's worth it.
Blake Martinez
steel hellkite
Xavier Murphy
*mills you*
Jeremiah Price
What are your stances on custom commanders /edhg/?
Liam Ortiz
Of the 623 cards in Onslaught block, roughly 189 mention Elves, Beasts, Birds, Clerics, Dragons, Soldiers, Wizards, Zombies, or the words "Creature Type". That's tribal effects on roughly 30% of the set.
Of the 897 cards in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor blocks, roughly 234 of them mention Elementals, Elves, Giants, Goblins, Faerie, Kithkin, Merfolk, Rogues, or Treefolk or the words "Creature Type". That's tribal effects on roughly 26% of the set.
Of the 674 cards in Innistrad, roughly 138 of them mention Angels, Humans, Demons, Spirits, Vampires, Werewolves, or Zombies. That's tribal effects on roughly 20% of the set.
Innistrad's not "that" far behind, really.
Levi Brown
Too much hassle. If you were to make a card that was perfectly fair or even overcosted and then win with it, someone is going to complain it should cost 1 or 2 more mana every single time.
Hunter Jones
Imagine if Kaalia were a custom commander. Everyone that sees it would tell you to fuck right off, .
WotC makes a lot of mistakes, but at least when they do, the mistake is said and done. It can't be argued with outside of banning the card entirely.
Samuel Rogers
either way, Tribal is not the main focus of Innistrad. That's the difference. It is based on the thematic setting first and the setting means monsters. Lorwyn and Onslaught are focused on tribes first, like how Mirrodin and Kaladesh focus on artifacts first.
Brayden Foster
This is just not true. There are plenty if edict effects every Toshi deck should run. Also not making it voltron is incredibly difficult when between the package for toshi, the land base, needed ramp and draw, you have maybe 12 slots to play with.
Are you that guy who said he had a competitive toshi list and never posted it?
Joshua White
You not counting effects that benefit playing creature types (Steely Resolve is an example) and that punish creature types (Nameless Inversion is an examples). It's literally straight from Maro's mouth that Innistrad was not a tribal set and got a fraction of the tirbal support that Onslaught and Lorwyn did so stop arguing.
Michael Allen
I really wish R&D could find a way to standartize Keyword abilities so they didn't have to list every single Keyword his ability applies to
Cooper Turner
What kind of custom commanders do you have rolling up to your playgroup's table?
Asher Bailey
i'd only really prefer it to happen if everyone was using custom commanders
James Sullivan
We've decide so far that some dude's spider edh is ok and thats about it
Owen Phillips
This What kind of shit are we dealing with?
Justin Miller
see
James Green
This tells us nothing about the commander except the creatre type.
Jace Garcia
Heres a run down of the deck: Shit puts out spiders Spider lords A small subtheme that has him mindcontrol other things and turn them into spiders. he was going for a sisters of stone death feel Deck is hot garbage but he enjoys it
Pic related its his commander
Benjamin Wilson
Yeah, that's pretty terrible. I'd let him have it.
Jayden Davis
Why not run the actual Spider Commander tho?
Josiah Gomez
Dude says ishkanah isn't a true spider commander And he's kinda right
Cameron Roberts
I don't follow you. What doesn't make him a true spider?
Angel Cox
>You not counting effects that benefit playing creature types (Steely Resolve is an example) and that punish creature types (Nameless Inversion is an examples)
You notice I did say cards that mention the words "creature type", right?
David Morgan
Ishkanah is terrible and really only works in the most casual of 1v1 EDH scenarios. She's probably worse than Ulrich.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
I can't say for my friend but In my opinion she sucks ass as a commander, she doesnt do anything unless you have delirium
Cooper Evans
I'm specifically looking to deal with Cursed Totem and Damping Matrix, and those shut down Hellkite too.
Jack Lee
>a fraction of the tirbal support
The fraction being about 2/3, apparently.
Kevin Roberts
Oh, I'm totally with you then, I thought you were talking flavorwise
Michael James
No, I'm a random shitter that tried netdecking Toshi and found him really lacking
Nathaniel Ortiz
>It's literally straight from Maro's mouth that Innistrad was not a tribal set and got a fraction of the tirbal support that Onslaught and Lorwyn did so stop arguing.
Could you link to those words?
Christopher Garcia
>activated ability that gets better the more spiders you have it may cost a lot to activate, and delirium requires a little setup, but who cares? it's commander, you build around that shit. sorry ishkanah isn't another broken commander like the commander products shit out or some lame field pump commander, which is the easiest fucking thing to do. she's at least interesting.
James Gray
You say that like delirium wouldn't be fuck easy to get in commander, let alone edh. Sure graveyard hate can screw you but thats about it. Id rather play grafwidow than that thing
Owen Ortiz
ya delirium is ez as fuck
pop a fetch, cast a cultivate, drop a sakura tribe elder and it's basically done already
plus all the self mill in golgari that you can take advantage of
Andrew Peterson
I can't link to audio. I listed off the podcasts he talks about tribal support in and what constitutes a "tribal" set.
>She's at least interesting Yeah, so interesting that she's the 9th most played golgari commander.
Nathaniel Peterson
No I didn't actually. Regardless you didn't list all the tribes in Onslaught or Lorwyn.
Luis Nelson
You either take the spider lord you get or you get none at all
Logan Parker
or you make your own
Matthew Reed
See
Brayden Hill
I always imagine he's drumming to Tom Sawyer
Brody Bennett
Are there any other artifacts with high utility like pic related?
Isaac Campbell
Or don't. What's to stop the next player in your group from going home and crafting up some slightly OP commander that they want to use. Once you allow faggotry into your group it'll get out of hand quick. Like user said its a vault that you don't want spergs to have keys to
Carter Ward
Which did I miss then?
Jace Jackson
>whats to stop the next player in your group from going home and crafting up some slightly OP commanders The other players, just don't let anything extremely broken in
Jose Reyes
>What's to stop the next player in your group Your playgroup, idiot. If someone comes to your table and proposes an OP custom commander, you can just say no. It's really not that hard.
Adam Sanders
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:
Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.
David Lopez
How long before your playgroup nerfs your custom commander into the ground to keep it "fair"?
Matthew Thomas
That breeds idiocy. Next thing you know someone comes in with a "fair" commander that counters you because you win all the time. Other players get sick of losing and the cycle repeats or people leave
Isaac Evans
This picture is not called 'I wuw u', you are shirking your duties of inserting your tongue into discordposter's anus.
Fuck off, nobody cares.
Aaron Brooks
It's worse, but hey, it's flexible.
Andrew Taylor
threadly reminder that discordfags are edgy babies
Jacob Morgan
I wan't to go mono white. What commander should i go with? I feel like giving Nahiri a shot
Levi Torres
>well youre going to build stupid powerful shit You have zero evidence of that, and these decks are garbage, made just for casual games Who the fuck makes a commander just to stop spider
Daniel Walker
Then you shrug and say "oh well?" That's the risk you run with custom cards. In a casual setting, nobody has to play against your deck if they don't want to, custom or not.
You've typed words but they don't arrange into anything that makes logical sense. I'd try again.