This is Elric

He's evil in some ways, technically.
He's definitely extremely selfish and self-absorbed, and all but admits that half of the heroics he gets caught up in he does largely because he's bored and doesn't have anything better to do.

But yeah, other then these personal failings of character Stormbringer spoke truly.
>"I was a thousand times more Evil then thou."

He tries to be a good person which is surprising considering the shit surrounding him.

I find him fascinating even after all these years.
Nobody ever really figured out how to do an Elric expy well.

He's pretty evil, especially in the earlier books. Remember how his idea of great music is to surgically alter slaves so that they can only scream in one tone and then have them tortured so they scream in the proper pattern? That's kind of evil dude. Or you know, how he's okay with murdering god knows how many people and stealing/destroying their souls forever so he doesn't have to take the drugs that he actually can take to keep going when he doesn't have people to slaughter for strength?

Nice sword.

Elric vs Erekose. Who wins?

>Remember how his idea of great music is to surgically alter slaves so that they can only scream in one tone and then have them tortured so they scream in the proper pattern? That's kind of evil dude.
That's not his personal view. It's what Melniboneans as a whole consider great music. He actually had several meetings with the Lords of the Young Kingdoms and was on good terms with them before the Yyrkoon incident arose. That's HOW his dipshit cousin got enough support to stage his coup. His own people thought he was too nice a guy.
>Or you know, how he's okay with murdering god knows how many people and stealing/destroying their souls forever so he doesn't have to take the drugs that he actually can take to keep going when he doesn't have people to slaughter for strength?
Uh, i don't think you know Elric all that well. He's not okay with it. Actually he's very much against it. It's just that Stormbringer don't act the way it should

Tough, but i'm actually giving this one to Erekose/ John Daker. Way more battle experience. And depending on what version of the sword his using, even Stormbringer isn't going to work.

Mind you, Elric can probably use a thousand summons to turn the tide. Something that Erekose can't do.

he's* using.

>That's not his personal view. It's what Melniboneans as a whole consider great music.
It's one that he shares. He sits back and enjoys that music in Elric of Melnibone.

>His own people thought he was too nice a guy.
Just because the Insanely Stupid Evil people think you're too nice doesn't actually mean you're nice/good. It just means you're less of a psycho than they are.

>. He's not okay with it. Actually he's very much against it.
He keeps doing it. And his years of marriage with Zarozinia demonstrate that he doesn't actually need to do it to keep going.

>It's one that he shares. He sits back and enjoys that music in Elric of Melnibone.
Well what was he gonna do? Not enjoy it? This was the sort of culture he was raised in. He was born and bred to be the leader of these assholes. The fact that he had pity and plenty of remorse under these circumstances shows his strength of character.
>He keeps doing it.
He never actively sought out to feed the sword except in the heat of battle and gave everyone ample warning to back off. Fortress of the Pearl has plenty of this example.
>And his years of marriage with Zarozinia demonstrate that he doesn't actually need to do it to keep going.
But don't forget that he was just chilling in his father in laws lands when that was going on. He wasn't a mercenary nor on the hunt for some love sick sorcerer during those years of peace.

>Insanely Stupid Evil
Well, they're not insane nor stupid. They just think of humans as little more than cattle.

>Well what was he gonna do? Not enjoy it? This was the sort of culture he was raised in
So? The values he holds, regardless of how he got them, are pretty damn evil, even if not as evil as the Melnibonean culture.

>The fact that he had pity and plenty of remorse under these circumstances shows his strength of character.
Someone who commits evil actions and enjoys the pain of others is evil, even if he feels bad about it later.

>He never actively sought out to feed the sword except in the heat of battle and gave everyone ample warning to back off. Fortress of the Pearl has plenty of this example.
But conversely, he also takes up a job where he goes around slaughtering people with it when he really doesn't have to. Hell, he doesn't even have to in order to fight, if you're restricting him to mercenaryish work.

>But don't forget that he was just chilling in his father in laws lands when that was going on. He wasn't a mercenary nor on the hunt for some love sick sorcerer during those years of peace.
He also wasn't on the hunt for anything in particular from Sailor of the Seas of Fate until Stormbringer, just kind of murder-hobing around. And even then, he doesn't actually need Stormbringer in order to function.

It was a joke.
>"I was a thousand times more Evil then thou."
What is .1% times 1000?

>The values he holds, regardless of how he got them, are pretty damn evil, even if not as evil as the Melnibonean culture
Yeah but that's only in the beginning of Elric of Melnibone. By the Sleeping Sorceress he's not the same person anymore.
>Someone who commits evil actions and enjoys the pain of others is evil, even if he feels bad about it later.
But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
>he also takes up a job where he goes around slaughtering people with it when he really doesn't have to. Hell, he doesn't even have to in order to fight, if you're restricting him to mercenaryish work.
He only worked as a mercenary on special occasions, like how he first met Moonglum and wanted to find the Book of the Dead Gods. Or how Yishana wanted him to find out what was going on.
>He also wasn't on the hunt for anything in particular from Sailor of the Seas of Fate until Stormbringer, just kind of murder-hobing around.
Um. I don't think you know your Elric to be saying this. Theleb K'Aarna ring a bell? He definitely had it out for that Pan Tang asshole. Especially after the siege on Tanelorn and being responsible for Myshella's death. That's how he met Zarozinia.

>But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
Actually, tell a lie. Fall of Melnibone was relatively evil. I guess?
But going back to Fortress, he did give those backstabbing sandniggers a righteous sacking.

>sponk

Gay and overrated. Literally every other Michael Moorcock protagonist is better than this albino weakling.

>But he never committed any evil action willingly. Think about that.
He very willingly adventures around with a literal hellsword that he can barely control, full well knowing that it's going to try to kill his friends and that he can't stop it. He knows damn well that even when he goes after evil people (which is not everyone he goes after) he's going to be carving a wide swath through a bunch of pretty ordinary mooks, and he's condemning every single one of them to eternal damnation.

That's evil dude. It's not malicious in the classical sense, but it displays an enormous and callous disregard for the consequences of his actions.

>He only worked as a mercenary on special occasions, like how he first met Moonglum and wanted to find the Book of the Dead Gods. Or how Yishana wanted him to find out what was going on.
Yeah, I forgot all those times when he's tracking people down for revenge or just adventuring for shits and giggles.

>Um. I don't think you know your Elric to be saying this. Theleb K'Aarna ring a bell? He definitely had it out for that Pan Tang asshole.
This is not helping your case that he's not evil. Sure, he had motivations underlying his adventures (even if half the time he winds up on something completely unrelated to his original goal), but they're mostly selfish, and often cause considerable collateral damage.

He has a hot cousin.

>He very willingly adventures around with a literal hellsword that he can barely control, full well knowing that it's going to try to kill his friends and that he can't stop it
Not in the beginning. He did think he could control it. He even stopped it from taking Yyrkoon's life. But like any other drug addict, he thought he was beyond its influence. He very clearly was not.
>He knows damn well that even when he goes after evil people (which is not everyone he goes after) he's going to be carving a wide swath through a bunch of pretty ordinary mooks, and he's condemning every single one of them to eternal damnation.
Well duh. He knows that just as they know what they're going up against. Never was there a situation when he fought someone that didn't know the risks that Stormbringer posed. Not once.
>Yeah, I forgot all those times when he's tracking people down for revenge or just adventuring for shits and giggles.
>but they're mostly selfish, and often cause considerable collateral damage.
Exactly. He's an idiot. Sometimes selfish and cruel but he's not evil. He wants to do good. Even with his Melnibonean upbringing there is good in him.
He even managed saved all the children when the Lords of Law were battling the Lords of Chaos in the city of Xanardwys and stopped Quelch from killing the child seer.
He makes stupid decisions which bring misery to himself and people around him. But evil? Never.

>Never was there a situation when he fought someone that didn't know the risks that Stormbringer posed. Not once.
Go ask the Kelmain if they knew the risks involved in fighting a dude with Stormbringer. There's certainly no indication that they did. Or what about those random guards that Theleb Kaarna always has hanging around? The begger scum of Nadsokor?

>Exactly. He's an idiot. Sometimes selfish and cruel but he's not evil. He wants to do good. Even with his Melnibonean upbringing there is good in him.
He's very articulate, skilled, sorcerously powerful, and knowledgable for someone who is "Just an idiot". He even plans reasonably well when he's not being too hotblooded and vengancey to give a shit. Being selfish and cruel and casually contemptuous for the consequences of your destructive rampages is more than enough to be an evil man.

>He even managed saved all the children when the Lords of Law were battling the Lords of Chaos in the city of Xanardwys and stopped Quelch from killing the child seer.
Evil doesn't mean EVERY ACTION IS EVIL ALL THE TIME. Yes, he does good actions. That's why he's a recognizeable character and not a cardboard cutout. There are people who tickle his sympathy and he tries to help. You can apply the same kind of logic to Stalin, and I don't think you'll find too many people arguing that guy isn't evil.

>He makes stupid decisions which bring misery to himself and people around him. But evil? Never.
When he knows the consequences of those stupid decisions and makes them repeatedly, often knowing ahead of time that they'll come out very, very badly, yes, that is evil.

Is that just an illustration of one of the scenes from the novels or an actual full comic?

If the second is the case could anyone provide me with a link or a name to find it under?

>Go ask the Kelmain if they knew the risks involved in fighting a dude with Stormbringer. There's certainly no indication that they did.
That you got me on. But they were cannon fodder at best.
>Or what about those random guards that Theleb Kaarna always has hanging around?
Oh come on, of course they knew the risks. They were being hunted by a world renown sorcerer and warrior wielding a instantly recognizable soul stealing sword. There are other jobs available.
>Just an idiot
Of course he's an idiot. Because every time he makes a bad decisions that he knows won't turn out well for him, he ignores common sense and does it anyway. He brings sorrow and pain to everyone around him but mostly to himself.
>There are people who tickle his sympathy and he tries to help.
He mostly kept to himself. Even as he laid dying in the gutters of Quarzhasaat with Stormbringer in hand, he opted to keep himself secluded. Never did he go out with the intent of spilling blood or feeding the sword up until the beginning of Stormbringer which considering the forces at work, was the only viable option.
>When he knows the consequences of those stupid decisions and makes them repeatedly, often knowing ahead of time that they'll come out very, very badly, yes, that is evil.
Then you and I don't seem to agree on the definition of evil.

Elric is flawed, ignorant, prideful and sometimes selfish and cruel but he isn't evil.
A good example of a Byronic hero.

Corum because he's actually a good guy

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Thanks, noble scholar.

On the note of Eric using the sword, his drug supply would often falter and basically tethered him to an area where he could get more herbs. When he was fighting, storm bring was vastly more dependable.

>On the note of Eric using the sword, his drug supply would often falter and basically tethered him to an area where he could get more herbs.
Yep. Which is why he never strayed far from Imryr in his youth.

Also on the afterlife, it's not as though stormbringer was a worse option than them being claimed by some chaos lord.

You did your best.

Favorite Elric moment?

Who is this guy and why should I care?

When someone he cared for or loved or considered a comrade died before his very eyes and by his hand.

He's an albino faggot and you shouldn't care.

Dark fantasy at its most pure. One of the main reasons this board exists.

He's not the worst fictional character I've come across.

"Greetings you're highness"

I don't know this character but I don't agree with you. something tells me this series might be interesting checking out?

is dark fantasy the name of the series?

At least you weren't as wicked as your sword.

Whose death was more tragic?
Cymoril's or Zarozinia's?

And why would Eva Green 10 years ago be the perfect casting choice for the former?
>is dark fantasy the name of the series?
Obviously not. This is Elric of Melnibone. It's one the major influences on DnD and Warhammer. It's one of the series that helped define the fantasy genre going forward.

Your latest comic book reboot is pretty good so far

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>what si raeidgn ocmprehension
t. retard

Elric you fucking retard. Why did you give Yyrkoon the throne you bleeding idiot.

100%

Is there porn?

Moorcock has some fine heartwarming moments.
He's actually quite a samaritan considering his background, if you're into a little bit of determinism (i am). This leads me to something... Considering how nice Cymorill sounded, you think she had potential to be good as well (with all due proportions since she's melnibonean), or was she just horny and trying to pillow-talk Elric?

I wish. Cymoril porn would be amazing.

keeps calling me it's master

Why does he wear the gorget?

good guys finish buried in a mound by their girlfriends

Moorcock actually commented on this. Cymorill was a typical Melnibonean but she was legit in love with Elric. So she was confused about why he didn't want to do the same things the others were into. But also was trying to understand it.

Kind of like some nerdy dude who spends all his time reading random philosophy from bugfuck who and collecting toy men. While his GF is some sports star who spend all her time at parties and tries to understand why he wastes his time so much.

Keeps calling me its master, but I feel like its slave

hauling me, faster an faster
to an early early grave

for those who don't get the reference
youtube.com/watch?v=XCxL3-Fl7bM

genuinely cute... I guess if seductive psychos can make girls go evil then the opposite could be true.

>Fall of Melnibone was relatively evil. I guess?
he killed a chaotic evil race for being chaotic evil... that's at least CG.

so, all of it?

this guy gets it. most dnd parties consist of a
>Elric expy
>Conan/Kull expy
>Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser expys
and so on an so forth

>Obviously not. This is Elric of Melnibone. It's one the major influences on DnD and Warhammer. It's one of the series that helped define the fantasy genre going forward.

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don't leave the speech bubble empty!

remember, It was originally written when morcocks editors asked him to make something like Conan, and made a story about someone Conan would be killing.

the author never have any relevance to it's finished product

that would be an ad hominem

He thinks you are tasty.

>draining the life force of bleeding slaves to sustain your own
>murdering a farmer and his family to entertain your soldiers

:^)

I'm pretty sure they told him there was a lot of Conan ripoffs so he should try to avoid that if possible. Then he took avoid as "Do the very opposite with in every way."

At least that's what I remeber anyhow. They told him to make something sword and sorcery Conan like but with something different to set it apart from the ripoffs.

Though thinking on it the funnest part to me was that they asked him to write it when he was depressed. Which explains far too much with how moody Elric tended to be and how things always went wrong. I think it has kind of become as stable that most of the works of fiction I like was made by depressed dudes in someones basement.

>Murdering someone from a species that holds the same value as a cow to please your species
youtu.be/ZjtA30DQdDU?t=2
Now, seriously, wasn't stormbringer manipulating him into killing, coming back to him when he threw it in the ocean, and generally killing people mostly by it's own volition(and against Elric's) by using his body mostly as a parasite would use a host?

Yep. Stormbringer was always a piece of shit.

What's normal to the spider is chaos to the fly.
He's not evil in context. But his context sure is.

"You incarnation Corum is a cool and decent guy. So... good job reincarnating into him, I guess"

You're looking handsome this evening~

I was a thousand times more evil than thou.

Stormbringer just wanted to be his waifu tho

>Literal phallic symbol with no orifices
I'd say husbando, not waifu.

>incestuous urges
>cousins
The US is one of very few countries that consider this incest.

Only so they can feel dirty while they do it senpai.

In the comic, Stormbringer is one of the chaos gods daughters, and calls him it's beloved

Damn I wish I knew what the colors meant

Dark blue: First-cousin marriage legal
Light blue: Allowed with restrictions or exceptions
Orange: Legality dependent on religion or culture
Red: Statute bans first-cousin marriage
Pink: Banned with exceptions
Dark red: Criminal offence
Grey: No available data

Waifu. Best waifu.

I would kill to see Elric run into Corwin.

Your daughter's hot.

But who would win in a fight?

STORMBRINGER IS PURE

Greyswandir ducks up chaos something fierce, but is less powerful I reckon. I don't know if Corwin ' s hardiness beats Elric's. Corwin doesn't use much magic other than planeswalking, but is aware of it.
Might not want to fight.

Less powerful than storm bringer, I meant.

Corwin's power spikes too much throughout the series, so we'd have to set which corwin is elric fighting... there's also the question wether Stormbringer would be able to suck corwin's soul since it seems to sometimes be uneffective towards extradimensional/otherworldly beings. Also, would corwin be able to recover from stormbringer's injuries by mindwalking the pattern?, It does keep a backup of his soul so maybe it could work against his soul bein sucked.
Post-spikard merlin could easily do it though.