Warmasters' Triumvirate XXIV

Well, how does that change Terra? Given it wouldn't be a surprise attack from within anymore.

I liked the idea that Solomon was off on an Eldar assigned mission. If it doesn't work for Mot, we can do someone else.

This works

I suppose the collaring would take place before the Assassination of Malcador?

The suprise attack from the inside has been off the table for several threads now

Isn't the conflict between the Knights Stellaris and the Forge Lords where Mot finds the AI that becomes Hashut? That would have taken place several years before New Hope, as the AI slowly corrupts the legion and turns them to Chaos.

Pacha is probably away rebuilding Legion numbers and letting the survivors of the censuring get some time to recover.

I imagine the Mountains are a bit or a wild card. They keep to themselves, rebuilding. By the time they show up for Terra, nobody knows who they're siding with.

Or do you want them to show up earlier?

I think earlier, probably finding out about the fight and asking Raj/Linares about what the hell just happened.

Right, so I think it works really well if Solomon attacks Mot for no adequately explained reason and then word comes down at the conference that he's at it again (perhaps attacking poor Ashur, trying to rescue him.)

So basically:
>Mot closing in on finding that AI.
>SOLOMON, IT IS I, THE SPESS GHOST, STOP MOT FROM RELEASING AN ANCIENT EVIL. HE CANNOT KNOW WHAT HIDES IN THE AI CORE.
>Ok.
>Goes and attacks Mot
>Other primarchs are all WTF
Solomon is called to account for his actions. Realizing that telling them a ghost told him to do it isn't going to fly, Solomon lies and tells them it was a matter of honor, which is totally believable. Solomon's done strange shit like that before over honor.
>Aristede is all "What the fuck is wrong with you".
>Je'She is all "Honor makes sense to me, don't be such an autist, Aristede, you're spending too much time with Tibet-o-tron over there."
>Marduk is all neutral and unreadable. "Solomon, have some goddamned self control. Mot, don't be such a turd. Solomon is a cool dude, usually."

Years later
>SOLOMON! I AM THE GHOST! GO ATTACK THE LOXODONTII, THEY'RE ABOUT TO UNLEASH AN ANCIENT EVIL, YOU MUST SAVE YOUR BROTHER FROM HIS SONS
>Mission_accepted.png
>Meanwhile on New Hope...
>Malacador is dead.
>Be Je'She.
>Be barely averting war.
>Be trying to argue that you've got control over your homies and that you're abiding by the rules unlike SOME PEOPLE >_>
>Get the news
>Solomon is attacking Ashur
>"Why the fuck is Solomon attacking Ashur, Je'She."
>"...A matter of honor?"
>NOT FUCKING CUTTING IT THIS TIME ASSHOLE
>Brotherwar flares
>Fucking Eldar.

Yes, at this time, Linares is fortifying the Solar System, nearly all his Legion there. Maybe a small detachment at New Hope, just in case some help is needed.

>the Star Warriors ruin New Hope
It's like P O T T E R Y

That works, but the negotiations break down over accusations of who killed Malcador, not about rogue legions.

How would we make that work?

That's pretty brilliant.

I dunno, I kind of like the idea of them being unknown. Rather White Scars ish and it lets them be the aid unlooked for at the dawn.

...Dammit.

Well, rogue legions don't help Je'She's case at all and undermine his credibility. Je'She's being shifty as fuck. Looks like he killed Malcador while meanwhile he's having legions take out opponents. This whole conference is a waste of time, keeping his foes in place until he can deal with him.

Essentially the theory would be that Je'She seeks Malcador's place. Always has. That's why he's such a kiss-ass.
Je'She has always sent his men to do his dirty work. Lambach opposed Je'She? Lambach was dealt with.
He sets up this "conference", assassinates Malcador to tie it up, meanwhile he sends his hatchet man Solomon off to go take out his opponents. Where's Einchurt? Mustering for war, you can bet. He's probably heading to your home system right now to wreck your shit while you're distracted at a negotiating table.
It's a damn good thing we found out about Solomon and Je'she's betrayal and Marduk was able to send one of his supporters to save Ashur, otherwise Je'She would have stabbed us all in the back.

Something like that, maybe?

It's funny because Einchurt actually is mustering for a potential war, although it's on his own orders rather than any Warmaster's

Silver Blades renegades:

>The Bloody Jar warhost

These guys served alongside Marduk's forces, and eventually were touched by Chaos. They fought alongside the Traitor Legions for most of the Brotherwar, but avoiding engagements with their original Legion, to create some kind of confusion. At the Siege of Terra, they fought along the Leviathan's Host, and fucked off directly to the Eye of Terror after the Siege. They swore allegiance to Khorne, and got a whole planet for their own. They kept their original structure, with a strict chain of command that allowed the Bloody Jar to remain united. They still keep the basic knowledge for the creation of a Spess Mehreen, and they constantly prove it by adding new recruits to their ranks. They usually accept renegades, but most of their recruits are slaves taken in the planets they pillage.

They keep the Legion's love for melee, and they are known for their relentless attacks, preferring usually small, undefended villages to get good loot and easily spill blood for their God.

They enjoy good fights, too, and will join expeditions to realspace for blood and skulls.

Their numbers oscillate between 500 and 1000, and at least 700 betrayed the Legion during the Brotherwar.

Unlike in other Warbands, the Warhost try to keep infights at a minimum, solving problems by fighting in The Pit, a gladiators arena in their homeworld.

>Bloody Jar Mehreen

I like it very much. Is pretty much what a perceptive man would say of that negotiation and what happens around.

>The Silver Blades are overthrowing the High Lords right now, why would they do at Terra anyway? What an asshole this Je'She

I was about to say something but I forgot

I like 'em, but the name.... Bloody Jar... doesn't sound intimidating, does it?

This is actually pretty good. I think we should roll with this.

Bloody...Hand? Soul? Claw?

If you wanna have them keep the same-ish name, the Bloody Jaws.

The Bloody part is the one I want to keep. Bloody Jaws instant-remembered me to the movie don't know why.

>Blood themed Prefix
Bloody/Bloodied/Carmine/Crimson/Scarlet/Sanguine

>Suffix/Blade Themed Prefix
Blades/Razors/Swords/Sabers

>Blood themed suffix
Encarmine/of Blood/Sanguine

Mix and match to your heart's intent

Carmine Razors?

Doesn't sound like Khornate Silver Blades though.

All things considered, they'd probably be actual Berzerkers, as opposed to Gunzerkers.

Heart Rippers?

Maybe. Something related to Distilled Rage? Idk.

Don't want to overuse the alcoholic beverages theme

I think this is one of the times where it actually works.

Blood Distillers?

The betrayal and collaring itself, yes.

The rescue mission from both Pacha and Kinnévail would happen later, and apparently the Star Warriors want in on that shit as well so why the hell not.

Quints like that speak truth, although I'd advocate for "Blood Boilers".

Bloodstillers. Sort of does both things, but sounds a little easier to say. blooD Distiller has that D-D sound where you have to sort of pause in the middle of saying it for emphasis. It's a very awkward thing to say out loud.

Also bloodstilling sounds like a horror movie thing which is cool.

Bloodstillers then. Also, those quints

If we're sharing colour schemes for wayward chapters, this was what I had in mind for the Hounds of the Apocalypse. Also decided that Arcturus Zul, the guy who leads them as of M41 A: was not around when the HotA first left the Pale Hounds, he was kidnapped from a sep world years later and managed to become head of the warband after many years of scheming/fighting becoming a space marine in the process and B: has a brother called Arterius who aided him in his rise to power and acts as the warband's head sorcerer.

I should probably state that kidnapping Separatist mortals is how the HotA recruits new members, just in case anyone was confused.

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I'll whip up something for the Iron Ancients… after I wake up

Blood Boilers is pretty good

Working on a scheme for the Sep Chosen of Hecate, called Rune Claws. They still favor the use of Librarians but now rely on lightning raids and small elite units.

>The Chainbearers
>"I'm sorry, but we cannot abide by this anymore. Father is gone, and with that our fight against the Ecclesiarchy has become impossible, and we cannot bear to see the Imperium abandon its core tenets. We know this marks us as traitors to our Father's decision, but there's common folk on the side of the Separatists that need helping. We'll try and keep the dream of the Imperial Truth living for as long as we can. With hope, one day we can once more celebrate together, but for now, we shall bear the chains of treason, yet we shall remain tied to our roots."
>Huascar, Chapter Master of the Chainbearers

It'd be awesome if they could have the wolfs head helmets from the Space Wolves models. I think that would really fit them.

1-On hindsight, I should have them bear literal chains in addition to figurative one
2-I had forgotten about Mot's Vorpal Chains. Until Mot decides on a name (or we get to come with one fitting name for each, or something else), they are temporarily renamed to The Fettered.

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My basic story for these guys is that they are descendants of the group that didn't go along with Lambachs plan, and after the Censure fled to the Dusk Phantoms carrying a small supply of gene seed.
Gyhadred pardens them of all crimes commited by Lambach and it is actually a well know fact that they are Loyalist Chosen rather than a secret.
Because there were so few of them when they did fight it was as small, elite, covert teams. The original chapter master, Parthenios, was little more than a a rank and file squad leader amongst the Chosen, nothing special but he gained the respect of the few men he led.
The issue I know have is how the craft they escaped on managed to avoid the curse that affected the rest of the Chosen fleet. Any suggestions?

This is Tijo and company, too, right?
Perhaps the ship the escape on isn't included in the curse. Like if the curse is on all Chosen vessels, maybe it's not technically a chosen vessel, but Imperial Army or something. The curse could be applied literally and this ship isn't included via a loophole.

Yeah Tijo and Company. They escape on her old ship. That she captained before Starburst. Now repurposed as a cargo / personal hauler. I guess that could work and is fairly simple to do.

Perfect.

>Imperialist Dusk Phantoms
If they exist, they're on the far side of the Imperium when the heresy hits and weather the storm by Terra. They have some really weird theology and mostly hide on the periphery and slay xenos.
They do not fight other Astartes.
Hmm... actually... I'll write up something tonight.

>Chaos Dusk Phantoms
There's a few types probably with different philosophies, but it probably comes down to either indulging in illusion or something.

So, been working on non-Astartes aspects of the thing. Really, been mainly what I do since I came on because, well, that's what was sorta needed. One thing I came up with was a traitor force that would be aligned to Hashut, the Tauric Host. However, been reworking things to fit more with the timeline of Hashut and intend to make them pre-Hashut that get converted BY the Forge Lords, though they're still primed due to being a techno-sorcerous barbaric society of beastmen.

And so, wanted some opinions on some broad strokes ideas. The short of it is a planet on the borders of the Maelstrom, an Exodite World that gets human settlers during the old days, and what runs is a long running conflict between these humans with their STC technology and the Exodites. The settlers eventually turn to warp power and techno-sorcery, and eventually cause several things that lead to mass mutations into beastmen, sort of evoking the beastmen vs wood elves of old Fantasy.

Eventually, I intended to have them be in control, due to some effect that causes the Maelstrom to swallow the planet finally and just fully immerse it warp energy. Thus it becomes something of a daemon world, ruled by techno-barbarian sorcerous beastmen who eventually come to follow Hashut and become an aspect of traitor forces in that regard.

A few ideas I had alongside this were ideas of them managing to corrupt the World Soul, either by somehow managing to infect it with human souls or possible a daemon or daemons, or both. Another idea was that some of the mutated beastmen, or a caste of them, are actually remnants of the eldar, who have, due to the passage of time and warp, become simply part of a greater beastmen society, with remnants of the old ways but twisted and warped.

I like this idea. We can always use more Chaos auxiliary forces.

The only thing I can't claim to know much about is the 'World Soul'. Is that actually a thing?

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/World_Spirit
Yup, it's basically the exodite world's version of an Infinity circuit.

Djinns
The Sentinels’ librarians pre-Nikaea, and were reestablished post-Siege of Terra. Djinns specialise in practices that are usually seen as mundane and trivial compared to other psyker orders among other legions. Djinns are famed for their skilled use of warp-fire and ‘weather magic’ to both destroy enemies and conceal allies. They also practice light forms of divination. Reports taken from various Djinns reveal that they experience divination as looking into an ocean of fire and magic. It is dangerous, and they fear to delve deeper so they do not awaken anything beneath the waves, and only glance at what can be perceived on the surface. Librarians from legions such as the Steel Souls and the Chosen of Hecate have been known to view their IXth legion brothers as fearful and superstitious, but the Djinn Orders know better than to dive into an ocean not knowing if you’ll ever come out again.

Djinn Orders wear black armour. With many runes and talismans adorning their belts, with some tied to their arms with bronze chains. They wear silks of various hues of reds and oranges. Strange dialects before the collapse written across both cloth and armour tell of tales ancient and terrifying in equal measure. Even other Sentinels are wary of their “gifted” brothers. For Djinns know full well the power they wield, and are not to be taken lightly. They are of grim demeanor, for it is said that in their training they are forced to realise what horrors they could inflict upon them and their brothers, and so they do not forget what destruction they could reap, lest they stray too far from the beaten path.

I like them, support Librarians are always nice.

They're reinstated post-Siege? Usually, legions allowed their Psykers to return to the Librarius during the Heresy/Brotherwar, as Psykers are powerful weapons against daemons.

I take it they still do the whole 'recording stories on their armor' thing?

I like that. I think a world spirit could definitely get infected by chaos, particularly by Hashut if we're going with the idea that Hashut may be a pissed off greater creation of Vaul.

>"Imperialist" Dusk Phantoms
Shortly after the censure of the Golden Mountains, a conference was held by the Dusk Phantoms to discuss the possibility of Astartes on Astartes violence. The Dusk Phantoms had, in the past, conducted simulations and theoretical drills for Astartes conflict, but these were under the assumption of xenos taint, not civil war.
The well repsected Captain Kya-Non suggested that the legion abstain from any Astartes civil war. Though the legion eventually decided in favor of intervention, Kya-Non's point is recognized. Several Sangha are set aside to protect the realm during a civil war. Choosing a monastic orange for their plate, these Sangha are sent into the outer darkness to patrol.
The other legions were apprised of these fleets and their transponder codes. Most other primarchs laughed at the melodramatic response of the Dusk Phantoms, but Tyrus among others, applauded the gesture.
To this day, these Sangha patrol the edges of the Imperiums, sometimes appearing to aid Astartes or mortal forces, at other times appearing unlooked for to protect the people of the Imperium.
The Dusk Phantom legion considers these merciful brethren to technically still be part of the legion and keeps them supplied on the rare occasions they swing East.
For their part, these Sangha interact seldom with the rest of the Imperium, appearing to aid in a battle and transmitting bursts of information about the movement of large xenos forces, but beyond that, ghosts.

>Hashut may be a pissed off greater creation of Vaul.
D'you reckon, if they found out about that, some Tech priests would turn to Chaos because of it? Like, they see Hashut as a more active counterpart to the Omnissiah (mostly because he hasn't allowed filthy non-believers to corrupt his cult), seeing as him being an artificial god makes him a "Machine God". Maybe many of the heretical arms of the machine Cult worship Hashut for that very reason.

Let us all behold Zelbezis' handsome face

I don't think they'd dig the whole made by Eldar kind of thing, but the Deus Ex Machina would appeal to them. I think the hereteks definitely do worship him.

Hell yeah.

I really ought to figure out what Gyahdred actually looks like...

I'm willing to talk some stuff through in regards to Gyahdred. Probably our only asian Primarch.

Byotiful.

>Only Asian Primarch
>who is Rokuten

I'm an idiot

He's an ogre. Duh.

There is a chance they have no idea Hashut IS linked to Eldar (if he even is...)

Though, this does introduce an interesting question. In canon, the Forge of Souls is a thing, and is neutral ground, but it sounds exactly like the sort of place Hashut would claim, and that gives interesting power in Chaos dynamics.

That said, still curious how folks feel about former Eldar beastmen as part of the group, or should they just be killed off?

>claiming the Forge of Souls
>in any fashion whatsoever

If this "Hashut" (original name by the way very clever you are) wants to get his ass deleted from existence by all 4 real gods instantly, then yeah, claim the Forge.

Oh Christ almighty it's this guy again

The hell are you even talking about? No one can rule the Forge. Period. Thats just basic lore knowledge. And if you're going to invent some 5th god (which every snowflake before you has already done btw), you might wanna pick a better name. At least try and come up with something original.

That's kinda the point. It's supposed to be on the nose. Hashut's legion take heavy influence from the Chaos dwarves. As for 's reaction, it's less about your suggestion and more about the snarky comment, which is not condusive to getting people to accept your ideas and generally just ends with them using the ideas you disliked purely out of spite

We get it, you hate anything that isn't a tower girl general, you don't need to stress it.

And if you're going to barge in to shitpost, you might as well stay and do your homework so your shitposts are more accurate and you look less like a frothing retard

>using the ideas you disliked purely out of spite
Sure, that's definitely the best way to handle things. Won't be burdensome for you down the road when your homebrew never frees itself of poorly thought out decisions, lol.

>randomly bringing up tower girl generals
Is this some new kind of defense mechanism I've not heard of? You just talk about unrelated things until your caregiver comes to give you your meds?

Doesn't that just mean you're giving control of your work to trolls?

Yeah, but it's kinda a "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation. you either ignore the "Troll" even if they had a good point cause they's being a dick, or you use their idea despite the fact that they obviously don't know how to effectively raise criticisms in group projects.

Oh ok, I'll change the time then.

And yeah, they still record stories, but more ancient and archaic. Pre-Age of Darkness

I guess so. Well, I wouldn't worry too much either way if I were you. Doesn't seem to be much of anything going on here at all one way or the other, and you can't crash a ship with no sails no matter how many people yank on the helm, haha. There's some mercy in that maybe.

THREAD PROMPT:

Are there any campaigns that have had your Primarch fighting with another primarch?

Well, Valorn almost certainly had to fight Mot during his eastern crusade, seeing as Valorn was tasked with killing him. That makes confrontation between the two basically a certainty.

Along side or against?

I had alongside in mind, but against could be cool.
Heck, do both if you like

Lambach would fight alongside almost all of his brothers at one point or another, Most notably the Silver Blades while the Chosen regained their strength.
Lambachs first joint effort with Ashur went amazingly with the 2 legions bringing the world to heel swiftly and efficiently but opened a rift between the 2 brothers that would never truly be resolved.
He spent a long time working with the Dusk Phantoms with only a small group while Kaden ran the 414th wing of the crusade.
I keep meaning to write up a story about his meeting Je'She on the battle field and how to start with Je'She finds his laid back demeanor frustrating and unsuited for the theater of war but then realizes that due to Lambachs careful planning the fight went very favorably for the Imperials and what Je'She originally mistook for an uncaring attitude was actually more a credit to the fact he was confidant that they had already won. Je'She would then realize that some of his brothers who think Lambach unsuited to be a general are mistaken and the 2 become firm friends. (But with the hours I've been working I haven't stayed on top of it. Happy for you to take it over if you like).

Linares has fought along maybe all his brothers in one way or another, but he is usually seen with Lambach, Raj and Je'She.

Nah man you go for it, sounds sweet as. I'll be looking forward to it

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Ah, well if it's "Alongside", then Valorn didn't fight alongside his brothers that often. After all, the Hounds as a whole often rejected aid to such a point that the most common reason for them to take to the field alongside another legion was to provide them with much needed aid. Whilst the Hounds didn't like receiving aid and weren't particularly fond of starting a campaign alongside another legion they were more than willing to provide their cousins with much needed aid. As such Valorn rarely took to the field alongside another legion and it was even rarer for that legion's primarch to also be in attendance.

However, of all the other legion's Valorn was most willing to come too the aid of the Smoke Stalkers. As such, Isekho was the brother he fought beside the most.

I think it's fair to say that Raj has fought alongside every single one of his brothers at some point. Support legion, ya know?

>Alongside
The Campaign of Dom Ran Kin, where the Loxodontii's 1st and 3rd company led by Ashur were joined by Lambach Kropor and his closest circle of Chosen of Hecate. It was the first encounter between Ashur and psychikally powered technology, which was why the Chosen were deployed to his aid. It was here where the brotherhood with the most potential was crushed under Ashur's superstitious fears as he realised that the Chosen of Hecate were thoroughly psychik warriors.

>Against
One of the first joint-force efforts of the Loxodontii after being united with their primarch was the Tercium campaign with the Death Heads. As they were battling to take a critical location did Einchurt's forces begin to level hub-block after hub-block, which led to Ashur ordering his own Astartes to interfere. At first, it was just brawls and wrestling, but quickly escalated into open fire and lethal close combat. While the two legions were caught in their own infighting did the resistance, which was hiding in the hub-blocks, regroup and launch a devastating counter offensive which cost the legions several more marines than necessary. From this moment onward, Ashur and Einchurt would never see eye-to-eye, anymore.

Considering that the Eastern Black Crusade Mot wages against the Separatists is one the to do list, and people we posting traitors from loyalist or separatist legions, it seems like I should put this forward again.

Mot and his Forge Lords are the main force that assault the Sep space. He's backed up by traitor Titans, as well as traitor Guard. Still, that seems hardly enough. So here's my proposal:
Marduk sends all the traitors from the loyalist and separatist legions along with Mot. They don't fight in Imperial space, just in the SCU. I think that should give Mot enough forces to make his Crusade more believable.

That makes sense. The heretical loyalists act as military support while the heretical separatists sow chaos and disorder, weakening any potential retaliation. Also a good way to get troublesome elements away from the more important engagements (the siege of Terra etc)

The SepTrait could make some good inside-jobs, like being the bodyguards of planetary governors and then rekting them as the assault starts, or the more traditional move of opening the gates of a city. I like it.

Einchurt and his Legion often fought alone, engaging in the conflicts no other could hope to succeed in. However, he most commonly fought alongside his brother Gyahdred, and was also known to campaign alongside Marduk Engur and Mot Hadad on occasion.

Also, low-res Einy for all your low-res Einy needs

He looks like a boss.

>imma chargin mah lazer

Damn that Skull badge looks good.

One of these days you guys and your cool pictures will convince me to overcome my blisteringly intense distrust of all online transactions with individuals.

One day.

I'd love to see Emil's face man. Slaine's a cool guy, trust me.

Plus, it's good to have a clear idea of what the character looks like. I find it helps while writing them.