How do you guys like Degenesis?

Excellent art and cool world

nice art but i am into kitchen sink settings

Love the artwork, the setting has some potential to be a lot of fun, but I get the impression that it would be more legwork for me as a GM than other systems. Also, trying to get my players to read basic D&D stuff is like pulling teeth. Getting them to actually read what they'd need to play Degenesis is a fucking fantasy.

Couldn't you just have the Hellvetic leadership say "Hey now, you guys are requisitioning way, way too much ammo. We're cutting the frequency and/or amount you can request for trailblazer ammunition." Remember, they are expected to use it judiciously, as it is a precious resource.

Can someone talk about the system and not just the motherfucking art?

Do it then. Most people just like the art and/or setting.

I haven't played the game, why the fuck do you think I'm asking about the system?

Combat is a pain in the ass to try and balance. Enemies don't really scale in terms of HP or defensive options (outside of stuff meant to be obviously dangerous, such as marauders, etc.). So you have your big villain of the current arc, and your 3-4 beginner players can shit all over him because the system is really kill-happy, and they can shit out a ton of damage relative to how much the enemy can.

To counter this, you either have to have the enemy pose a greater threat (better weapons, traps, etc.) or have a bunch of trash enemies to act as damage sponges and obstacles, so to speak. Now with having the enemy deal more damage, you risk killing off characters left and right, because this is - as mentioned - a very lethal combat system. This will probably not be a lot of fun for your players, and it's already a bit of work to rope the initial cult loadout together unless everyone picked a single cult to theme themselves around. Now you need to find a reason to rope in more new characters, again factoring in what cult they choose to the mix. The problem with adding in a bunch of enemies is that you still increase damage output against the players, so they are again at higher risk of death, but combats also run the risk of becoming samey. You take out the minions and then the (not much different, relatively-speaking) big enemy.

You can try to get around this by attempting to give opportunities to avoid combat, use diplomacy or assorted skillsets to come to non-violent outcomes, or by having fights contain more puzzle or strategy elements, as opposed to kick the doors in and hack slash boom bang stab until one side is dead. However, the sad truth is that many players love combat, and many players tend to lean heavily towards combat optimization when making characters. So trying to keep combat as something they want to avoid risks leaving those players feeling removed from the game.

I've been meaning to look into the system
Give me the quick rundown

I really like it almost ran it too but never did would love to play it none the less

My players only dislike it because of how Character creation works. They say its too much of a shoe horn. They're from D&D and Shadowrun backgrounds though.

How does character creation work in it?

I've always preferred that fights have more puzzle like elements. My players know that I usually have a lot of deadly enemies but they're squishy. I always also have lots of environmental hazards lying around. They'll destroy a cliff face and so forth. They always feel like they're gonna be out gunned and out manned, but they never feel like the underdog.

Horrible character balance.
Weird limitations to the setting (these monsters only show up in this country).

You need to pick your culture (where you are from) and what cult you're from. The culture you pick will let you add more to your stats. Culture will also lock you into your cult (makes a lot of ingame sense).

You'll follow up by distributing your skills and attributes, resources and so forth. You know the usual Character creation spiel.

Following this, your rank in your clan is dependant on what your prerequisite is.

An example of this is to be a Spitilan field medic, you need to have a total dice pool of 8. So that would be Int+medicine. Then you need to have put points into resources, renown, and network.

You rank also determines some extra skills and the free kit you get.

How is that weird? Like, would you expect a fish to show up in a desert? A lion to show up in the rainforest? A turkish bear to show up outside of the gay district? Same concept.

Sounds really neat, to be honest

One of our group got the books for her birthday and they're GORGEOUS. Seriously, some of the prettiest gamebooks I've seen.

The problem is that we're completely "meh" about the setting.

And personally - as a Pole - I like how this German game has the centre of my country smashed with a meteor (okay, that happens to most of the world), the populace turned into fur-clad barbarians, and the city of Gdańsk is now controlled by Teutonic Hospitallers in pickelhaubes..

I really like it. But my problem is that the players are used to open character creations of other systems like Shadowrun and D&D. They feel constricted by traveller and Degensis. Furthermore some of them prioritize min-maxing, so some will always try to get the highest rank possible.