So will the War in Heaven be retconned to fit the whole eternal chaos thing GW has been pushing?

>So will the War in Heaven be retconned to fit the whole eternal chaos thing GW has been pushing?

No.

They added just a few minor details. The War in Heaven caused the walls of reality to be forever be shattered unleashing Chaos daemons who in junction with the Necrons caused the Old Ones to go into exile.

The Necrons banished the daemons and constructed the Pylon network. They are all what are holding the galaxy above the warp. Should they be completely destroyed, then the galaxy sinks into the Warp and goes bye bye. the Necrons turned on the C'tan and sharded them and put them inside boxes. Then came the Eldar other servants of the Old Ones to chase the Necrons away. The Necrons pylon network was left incomplete and not fully activated.

As time went, the pylon network slowly but surely started getting damaged by natural disasters or by intentional or unintentional action of agents of Chaos and alien races. When a set of pylons get destroyed, the work load of the destroyed pylons is transferred across the network to the other but that puts a lot pressure on the reminding networks and causes damage. according to the lore the guys who created the pylons did not foresee the bullshit that was the birth of the Eye of Terror but it was a stroke of luck that the Cadian pylons were in their place or the cascading wave of shit would have sundered the galaxy. Anyways, where was I? Ah yes. As more pylons were destroyed, the power of Chaos grew in the galaxy. Warpstorms became the norm, frequent daemonic activities, and now we got a cracked galaxy.

But there is a hope. The Cadian Pylons when fully activated not only pushed back the Eye of Terror but threatened to seal it up. Erase it from the fabric of reality. If the remaining few remaining pylons could be activated. If Cawls Imperial Pylons are perfect replicas of the Necron Pylons and used to fill the gabes in the network, then all will be well. Happy ending for all.

Does this make sense to you?

Why? I mean the fluff totally supports having basically an oldcron style mindless killer robot dynasty but doesn't necessarily require them to be that way.

the setting is very stupid epic, but i hate the fact that there are like 4 factions that are the "super duper mega evil guys who are ancient and evil and so evil" which fits and than you have fucking chaos which just has to one up everything. Chaos is the kid on the playground that keeps screaming "invincibility shield" every time he is about to louse or someone one ups him, and no one liked that kid

So could they just put a pylon on terra and fix the giant demon hole in the palace? Maybe take some strain off of Big E.

Continued....

Basically the Necron Pylons are to 40K what the Vortex was to WHFB.

tl;dr all of this is that the Necrons did nothing wrong.

Replace chaos with tau, and you'd be right.

No, that's stupid. An activated set of pylon would not only obscure the Golden Light, it would kill 99% of the psykers on Terra including the Choir that powers the Golden Light.

Tau make little seans but i can stomach them, fuck, i love playing my adeptus mechanicus agients tau because im feeling like im having a steampunk vs SF fight, chaos just sucks all the fun out of the whole universe

Necrons did a lot wrong, but they're doing the best they can, and that's why they're a great faction. Dead men have no need for grudges.

That's the gayest thing they could do

"Haha! We're just the tip of the iceberg cause the rest of the berg got BTFO by our own decisions!"

Or smother him...

Nah. Tau are okay, and basically inconsequential.

Chaos has to stick their greasy edgy fingers into every part of the setting, be responsible for literally everything that's ever happened, and still have to jack themselves off to how omnipotent and invincible the chaos gods are

Honestly I think it works best if chaos is caused by the Imperium's actions, and is in a sense dependent on it (or at least humanity). I get the idea of grimdark based around that there was never really a chance at all, and that chaos will eventually devour everything, but personally, I think it works better if humanity did have its chance and pissed it away. (Especially if said pissing away was done primarily by big E, because that makes the autistic screeching all the sweeter). I think it works best if Chaos is very powerful, but only in the warp, and has a sharply limited ability to affect anything in the real, material realm, and maybe while it can't be ultimately destroyed, could theoretically be sealed away forever, if not for the fact that the major powers in the milky way all have their heads up their collective asses.

The Old Ones weren't idle. Before the War in Heaven by billions of years, Chaos daemons were a problem. So the Old Ones created Daemonic Cages. Planet sized devices created to be prisons for billions of daemons. With them the Old Ones kept the galaxy safe.

>The First Captain, initially angry at the Magos’ imperious summons, had become serious and engaged as Ivasnophon revealed the nature of the technology that he sought upon Amethal. It was an ancient prize, something made by those who ruled the galaxy long before the first Terran life forms emerged from the primordial ooze. Other examples of its sort had been found across the galaxy from time to time, hints at an incredibly potent weapon against the powers of Chaos. Ivasnophon specialised in the location, excavation and imitation of such archeotechnological treasures. For centuries he had been following a tenuous trail of clues towards this, his greatest find. Amethal was not a planet, he explained, but rather a skin of rock and biosphere stretched as camouflage over an ancient cage. Vast beyond belief, wreathed in arcane wards and dark technologies, it was a prison-eternal for daemonic entities. It was the Magos Dominus’ belief that the Amethal Cage contained hellish beings beyond count, trapped for millennia behind warded bars. Why the ancients had sought to isolate these creatures from the Warp was a mystery lost to the mists of time, but the Magos was certain they had succeeded. Captain Karlaen was horrified at this revelation, for if that were true, then the empyric inmates of this world represented a dreadful danger to the defences around the Cadian Gate. At the same time, he was not slow to grasp Ivasnophon’s purpose on this world. Building upon his countless decades of study and experimentation, the Magos Dominus was at last nearly able to replicate the technologies of the Daemon cage. He was weeks, months at most, from creating – and then mass producing-devices that could cage Daemons on a vast scale. Though not a permanent solution to the daemonic threat, such devices might end daemonic incursions as soon as they began, and thus turn the tide in the war for the Cadian Gate.

-Angel's Blade

I sooner expect them to reintroduce the Old Ones as Space Dorfs.

but there is really no point in chaos, there are allredy like at least 3 great threats to the whole galaxy.
You have the tyranids who want to omn everything
The necrons who have thech that can erase whole solar systems with a touch of a button
the orks that want to turn everything into a non-stop brawl
And in this whole shitstorm you have chaos, which is always more powerfull, always more undefeated, always more edgy, always better than everything else and has allredy won. Why would you ever do this? Maybe the idea of "if we join forces we could do something about it" could work, but that still not only kills the threat of all the other evil factions because there is always the stronger chaos in the backround, but also makes the setting kind of pointless. Why would anyone do anything if chaos allredy won, why not just worship the chaos gods and get this shit over with

Now that it's confirmed that Chaos Daemons were a thing at the time of the Necrontyr and Old Ones, how does that make you feel?

They were literally described as large and reptilian, lizardmen slaan are probably the closest thing we have

It's retarded. It makes no sense that Horny,Angry, Wizard, AIDS exist across all time when at least three of them are intimately, explicitly tied to mortal races for existence or sentience

Exactly. I sooner expect them to do that. It'd be Oldcrons & Newcrons all over again.

But consider: Frog Dwarves

Remember in WHFB how the War of the Beard was enormous yet had nothing to do with Chaos?

Time has no meaning in the Warp.

Malekith caused the War in Beard. Everything that has happened to Malekith and everything he did was because of Chaos.

>Everything that has happened to Malekith and everything he did was because of Chaos
>muh phoenix king
>muh mother fucking

Didn't some campaigns in 40k feature no chaos at all? Like the imperium vs tau and eldar vs I don't remember?

Hang on, I thought the Immaterium was peaceful in those days?

Which is just a handwave so chaosfags can always be relevant

Octarius used to.

>>muh phoenix king

Chaos whispered into the minds of the Elven council and made them refuse to have Malekith as their king

>muh mother fucking

Slaanesh whispers influenced the rise of the Pleasure Cults which Morathi led.

I van imagine some daemons existed in the time when the warp was the realm of souls, it's just that when the boldness weaponized it they made it a breeding ground for them, like pouring a bunch of chemicals into the clean drinking water and not expecting contamination

Just another day.

Not really peaceful but contained. Better managed. The Old Ones kept the daemons under control until the War of Heaven happened and then everything went to shit and the daemons got out and ran loose over the galaxy until the Necrons built their pylons.

Once again I must repeat, the Necrons did nothing wrong.

No I meant the ones that had a bunch of books coming out as well

I know, user; me too.

It was jumping into the fire that does it. Malekith was actually alright with the previous guy & he was making contact with the Dwarfs. The flame they jump into makes all the difference. He couldn't sit there a second longer & thus he was kicked out.

Wasn't there some Elven goddess of pleasure she worshiped?

>It was jumping into the fire that does it. Malekith was actually alright with the previous guy & he was making contact with the Dwarfs. The flame they jump into makes all the difference. He couldn't sit there a second longer & thus he was kicked out.

You know why Malekith was in a hurry? Malekith in his adventures found his iconic Iron crown in the ruins of a race the predated the arrival of the Old Ones. The Iron Crown sent Malekith's soul to the Realm of Chaos. Malekith saw the endless armies of the Chaos Gods spread like a vast endless ocean. He saw the thrones of the Chaos Gods. He knew then what must be done. He knew that only he and he alone can stop Chaos. For that to happen he must be KING.

>Wasn't there some Elven goddess of pleasure she worshiped?

Yes, but it was the influence of Slaanesh that popularised the cult and made it go extremist mode.

Chaos was a mistake

>Malekith
Malekith was kicked out either because he was a backstabbing douche & the elf gods knew it or it was all a part of a millennia long trial, taking tons of lives & damages everywhere, by those same elf gods to make Malekith better. Malekith was the witch king because he didn't become phoenix king. He prioritized it so much that he allied with Chaos on a few accounts to try & become phoenix king. If he was made phoenix king by the elf gods then & there, he would be far less butthurt.

Reminder that the Phoenix King fucked up when he didn't chill the fuck out & have some tea.

Dude, in the eyes of Asuryan, Malekith did nothing wrong except for pussying out from the flames before his transformation was complete. Everything Malekith did after that did no change Asuryan opinion about him being his chosen.

But you can do Your Dudes as Oldcrons already within the Newcrons framework, just be a tomb world dominated by a C'tan shard.

Except for fucking the benevolent precursor race that held the galaxy in balance and peace purely because of their own bitterness. They're basically the beta test of Perty and the Iron Warriors.

>just be a tomb world dominated by a C'tan shard.

Cite a single official instance of that happening in the lore. People can bullshit any amount of headcanon into existence. What people want are official stories featuring their favourite version of the Necrons. They are sick about reading about Trazyn's misadventures. They want the horror stories of the oldcrons.

>needs only official lore and uses none of the wiggle room granted
How does it feel to lack creativity

How does it feel to miss the point? I can craft any story I want and fluff my army in any direction I want. I can make Necron ponies if I desired.

But you know what I and others enjoy? Reading official stories and lore. That's why we buy the novels and background books. When our version of the Necrons, or any faction for that matter, is removed or sidelined to irrelevance we are pissed.

>or any faction for that matter, is removed or sidelined to irrelevance we are pissed
Well anyone playing any xeno race must be pissed at the amount of Imperium and Chaos wank that's going on.

Modern chaos is the dumbest thing ever.

>Powerful, but finite and limited beings
>created from the dreams, nightmares and desires of sentient beings
>countered by the equivalent power of the Emperor, preceeded by the C'tan and Necrons etc etc
>extremely dangerous and powerful, but could not win due to the constant sacrifices and effort being put forward by humanity and other species
>even if they did win it would be pointless since complete destruction of their enemies means their own destruction as well

Nu Chaos

>Literally gods, in that they eternal, all knowing and borderline unlimited power
>even the Emperor is no longer a counter as he simply got his power from them for some reason
>they cannot be defeated, and even their seeming defeats are actually victories due to their unlimited wisdom, knowledge, foresight and power
>endgame is not only achievable, but inevitable

Not only does NuChaos ruin Chaos itself, but it ruins the Emperor, the Imperium, all of humanity's sacrifices and struggles, and everything else in the setting is worse off as a result.

You mean all the Space Marine and Chaos wank. My Admech have been nothing but shat on in the recent books, Guard lost their faction world OFFSCREEN, Forge Worlds are continuously conquered with a fraction of the forces they should actually require, Admech and Inquisition rules got completely shafted and generally anyone but Ultramarines and to a lesser extent regular Marines isn't seeing shit. Don't conflate Imperium with Ultrasues, we hate them almost as much as you do.

I hate Tau SLIGHTLY more, but at least they're a good opponent in stories when they aren't randomly asspulling wins from everywhere and projecting the Enemy Redardification Field like they've been doing without fail for the last few years.

I think you mean Space Marine and CSM w/some demons wank. I like traitor guard, and my life is suffering

Yeah I forgot if it isn't a Space Marine then it doesn't matter, this is like retconning Ollanius Pius into a terminator marine.

Same here traitor guard are treated like dead animals by CSM both inside and outside or lore.

>all of humanity's sacrifices and struggles

Who knew that fighting evil with evil is pointless and at worse counterproductive? Hmm, Gue'la?

I don't even know how chaos players are ok with this you'd think it get boring if you faction wins no matter what, makes basically any battle or hardship null and void because you'll win anyway.

Within Chaos there is a struggle between Mortals (Abaddon) and the Immortals (Chaos Gods). The Chaos ending branches to two outcomes. The Dark Imperium and the Daemon Imperium. Chaos players can work forward to seeing Abaddon's ambition achieved or seeing the Chaos unmake the galaxy.

Winning the Long War is just the beginning for Chaos.

>no warp presence
>just as evil but in a more insidious way
>literally no way to actually fight chaos

Shhh child, the grown ups are busy deciding the fate of the galaxy. You go back to pretending you're relevant.

Where is that pic from? Does Talon of Horus have pictures?

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The limited edition version had beautiful art of the four main characters.

If the old ones were so kind, benevolent, and all loving why did they refuse to help the Necrontyr, who were dying in droves to the hellish blasts of their sun? What exactly were the old ones up to when they decided that keeping the daemons around instead of banishing them was a good idea?

Why did they need to meddle with the Sea of Souls in the first place? Don't give me that bullshit about warp travel either, the Necrons prove non-warp FTL is possible.

The Necrons wanted to keep the Warp, and therefore Chaos, completely unable to manifest in the material real. This should be the overriding goal of all sentient races. Even the Emperor's end goal was the eradication of Chaos, the Great Crusade to unite humanity just a means to an end.

Necrons
Did
Nothing
Wrong

What is that overlord saying to the farseer?

>you will suckle upon my robo dong for as long as you breath, only then will your craftworld be spared

>Do you think this thing looks goofy? Everyone keeps telling me it looks goofy. I swear to god if that cryptek lied to me

digits confirm necrons = master race

>tfw we'll never get BL shit about the Necrontyr empire in its heyday

It's a damn shame, there's so much to explore there about their culture and the geopolitics and the Realm of Souls in its (relatively) peaceful days. But there'd be no way to involve Space Marines so I guess it's probably not in the cards.

Why would GW ever do something that ends the story, meaning they stop making money.

I play imperial fists but I would give my left nut to have an eldar v necrons specialty game

40k's lore was much more ienjoyable when 2/3s of it was vague and mysterious. Now that we know that the Emps is simply a Nazi scientist who got literally all his power from the Chaos gods, Horus is actually the hero of the story, all the primarchs are either faggots or suffer from daddy issues (or both), that Chaos is winning, and all the rest why bother? They took away the mystery and replaced it with fan fiction level shit. They've ruined Chaos, mankind, and you want them to ruin the Necrons too?

If everything's already been ruined, then there's nothing to lose, right? Worst case scenario is that more shit is added to a shit pile, but on the off chance it's good then we get an interesting story about the glory days of a tragically fallen empire, and the waning of the best hope for Chaos' defeat. There's no way for us to lose in this scenario.

That said, most of the bad things in the current lore have come about as the result of retcons. There's nothing stopping future writers from retconning those retcons and reverting to older, better lore, or introducing entirely new better lore.

>ruining the best 40k story in the lore
what did GW mean by this?

>spess muhreens get into a bad warp storm
>time traveled into the ancient past of Necrontyr Empire
>Necrontyr recognize they're not of this timeline and their presence is illogical
>EXTERMINATE
>Spess Mahreens see xenos
>EXTERMINATE

7/10 would read

Fair enough. My biggest fear is that, like the Primarchs, we have generally low level writers trying to tell stories about gods and demons and the like, and worse is that they're are trying to actually use them as if they were real characters with real motivations. It's impossible for them to create these characters because we can't step inside their frame of reference as readers, nor can they as authors, so it's all retarded. You are right that hopefully it will all be retconned back to the way it should be, or maybe they'll find a new direction that is actually cool and interesting again.

The worst thing about the current writing is that we have shit tier authors and thinkers trying to not only tell a story about gods, but they are then giving us lessons in fedora philosophy and morality and it's obnoxious as hell. If they are gonna do a Necron sub universe they need to get away from all that and just focus on making neat technologies, characters and races.

I don't like it at all. The endless struggle and ultimate pointlessness ultimately Chaos for me. The goal is war itself, not victory.

t.Black Legion Player

wtf i love necrons now

With how MoM portrays the Emperor odds are they are planning to retcon the entire story in general.

Why do chaos players whine so much when GW keeps trying to soothe their delicate egos?

Because Chaos never gets to win.

>literally won Fantasy in its entirety
>very recently blew up Cadia, a resounding loss for Imperials, Eldar and even Necrons
>now they've infested Ultramar

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Here split the galaxy in half and blow up cadia
>wtf where are my chaos primaris, why didn't we get them first
no winning there

Holy fuck, THAT is what the End Times went with?
No wonder everyone I know thought it was shit.
Seriously, fuck Malekith.

>who were dying in droves to the hellish blasts of their sun?
Why is it the Necrontyr had the science to become an interstellar empire, but lacked the knowledge to cure their super cancer?

It was REALLY super.

Laurie Goldberg already said they are retconing the ending.

Wasn't it C'tan induced somehow?

So they can reboot the series and make even MOAR money.

Isn't the new shit just entirely chaos winning everything across the board?

Chaos was good back before 2009 or so in 40k, and before 2014 in Fantasy. After those years Chaos in their respective universes went from being this interesting Lovecraftian eldritch force of entropy and immorality that relied on fear, corrupted ignorance and vice to sustain itself, and instead became lol so evil lol so random we always win neener neener nothing personnel i hate my dad and preppy kids at school.

Every Warhammer fluff piece written after 2012 has been "Chaos wins and there's nothing you can do about it because they're evil exdee", I don't know where Chaos players get the idea that they always lose.

Well put