What brands of dice or other gaming accessories are Veeky Forums approved?

Nah. Unless you're a professional gambler, your rolling technique causes more problems with the probabilities than their dice construction does. And the translucent ones are better, you can see any air bubbles in them, so you know if they're shit.

>Unless you're a professional gambler, your rolling technique causes more problems with the probabilities than their dice construction does,
That's not been my experience, at least not with the speckled ones. Translucent dice do at least let you see air bubbles though, so it's possible they'd give you better results.

Game science or go fuck your mother.

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If you want perfect distribution of probability, Game Science dice are the diamond standard. They're machined the same way casino dice are; their facets are made to spec within 1/10,000 of an inch. I've owned a set for nine years and they haven't been damaged or worn in any way.

Do they still sell them even?

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People have cracked open chessex dice and found other, miscast dice inside of them used as some kind of plastic saving filler.

Even if you willingly ignore the probability effects that's some Chinese knockoff level QC right there. The translucent dice they can't pull that shit with, so you know you're getting better quality dice for your money.

>They're machined

You are wrong.

From their website:
>To assure that every edge and vertex holds its mathematically precise dimensions, all Gamescience® dice are clipped by hand from the casting sprue

They are injection-molded but not tumbled.

This is a far cry from machined dice, which are actually cut from a larger block.

Probably played FATAL

You ignored what I said about them being precise to within 1/10,000 of an inch, which is true and even discussed in a 20 minute interview on YouTube, in favor of fixating on the word "machined". Which is an accurate usage of that word because the dice are in fact made inside of a machine.

You're a retard if you claim that their marketing video is anything more than an advertisement.

The edges might be sharp, but if you actually look at your dice, you'll notice that they are concave on the flat sides. This is most noticeable on the D6 (this image is from their site). The reason injection-molded dice turn concave on their flat sides is because the plastic cools and shrinks. This inherently makes the die uneven, and there is no way to remedy this defect in injection molding. Yes, you can make it less noticeable if you just use less plastic, but it's going to happen regardless because of the nature of the manufacturing method.

Furthermore, if you look at a machined casino d6, you'll see that the pips are filled in with plastic and are flush with the face of the die -- which I should emphasize is NOT concave. This material is the same density as the plastic the die is machined out of. Do you know that casinos replace their d6s very frequently? This is done at least every 8 hours, and it is done because dice get worn out as they get rolled. Rolling dice is just like tumbling them in a polisher (something Gamescience explicitly does not do), much slower of course.

You should also know that "machined" is a specific manufacturing term that does not include other manufacturing methods like injection molding, casting, vacuum molding, extrusion, etc. This is not up for debate, it is a defined term. Do not call something that is injection molded "machined." It is misleading and dishonest.

Basically, gamescience dice are not in the same league as casino dice, and claiming they are is wrong.

Compare that pitiful block of injection-molded crap to these machined dice. You can buy used casino dice from casinos, but they will be stamped to indicate them as having been used/discarded (so that they cannot be used by mistake in actual gambling). Even then, you'll see that they are much more precise than anything you can get from Gamescience.

As an aside, gambling games are always stacked in favor of the casino, even if it is a minute percentage difference. Most games have pretty good advantage for the casino, though. At any rate, since everyone at the table is rolling the same dice, it is literally a million-dollar issue for them to have fair dice (and fresh, unmarked cards). They sure as shit aren't using injection-molded dice.

a sharp knife

now we just have to convince casinos to play craps with d20s

Congratulations... you have proven yourself to have the bigger dick than I as regards dice and manufacturing knowledge. Is there a company that makes dice which are superior to Gamescience dice? That actually matters.

Artesian dice does machined RPG dice. Hella expensive though, so I don't have any experience with the actual quality of their work.

Their molds are maybe, due to shrinkage and the sprue they leave on, the dice sure aren't

Generally speaking, precise polyhedral dice are a very niche market. Dice machined out of a non-plastic material (wood, stone, metal) are going to be your best bet.

You can find some sets on Etsy but personally I wouldn't trust random sellers. ThinkGeek carries a set of machined aluminum dice. Crystal Caste, Level Up Dice, and Artisan Dice carry different varieties of metal, stone, and wood dice. Personally, I would go for metal or stone. Make sure of the size when you order them to not be disappointed by them being too small. Also have a nice place to roll them so you don't dent your table.

All of these are expensive, especially if they are of decent size. This is because machining is a more expensive manufacturing method, injection molding is cheap and considered good enough for most applications.

>Artesian dice does machined RPG dice. Hella expensive though
I've also heard scuttlebutt that they take people's orders but months and even years roll by and... nothing. Nothing I can verify, but that's what I've heard.

So if I'm willing to spend ninety fucking dollars I can get a set of machined metal or stone dice. Gamescience dice are at least superior to the tumble-made dice that are generally sold, right?

GS dice are just a meme. It really doesn't matter that much if you play a system with a non-shit resolution mechanic

>Acting like diceless resolution mechanics aren't a meme

Generally speaking yes. Tumbling dice removes the sprue marks and mold lines, and it's supposed to evenly round out a die, but in practice this process is not even and can create uneven egg-shaped dice.

Personally I think they are still a meme because you still get the injection molding imperfections and honestly I don't really care about precision when I'm rolling dice anyway. It's a game, it's fun to fail. The specialist dice look pretty cool, though.

>diceless
I said non-shit.

>in favor of fixating on the word "machined". Which is an accurate usage of that word because the dice are in fact made inside of a machine.

No it isn't dipshit. "Machined" always refers to products made by chiseling, grinding, or cutting them from solid block material

I've got my issues with gamescience dice, but if this thing here is an accurate representation, they seem to show less bias than chessex dice, anyway (iirc, the gamescience die was tested without trimming the sprue, which would probably mean that the number of #14 results needn't be so paltry if you put a little diligence into prepping the die).

Building a story around your dice is classic meta.
>This die is the player killer

>20,000 rolls
Man, that's an RSI waiting to happen. Has anybody done anything with Q-workshop dice or clear Chessex ones?

Here are my two tests with Chessex dice from overlayed (in makeshift fashion) over the the Chessex test from . The white line indicates the average for the trials, though each of mine are only based on 2k rolls rather than 10k, so you'd expect to see a bit more variation due to random noise in mine. So you really shouldn't take anything more from it than general trends, but you really do see a pattern. For 15 out of 18 numbers, all the trials go in the same direction (all are above average, or all or below average). That leaves out the two cases where one of the trials gives an exactly even result, but in those cases, the other two trials are both above average, so the exactly average result could be seen as the bottom end of an >= spread, making it 17 out of 20 that fit the trend.

I personally always liked Kopl
ow Dice

>Man, that's an RSI waiting to happen.
You're telling me. I didn't physically injure myself doing , but at the end of each set of trials, I was getting really fucking antsy. That shit gets boring.

>Has anybody done anything with Q-workshop dice or clear Chessex ones?
Not me. I really liked the way the speckled Chessex dice looked, so aside from a couple of opaque sets, that's pretty much the only kind of them I have. Don't have anything from Q-workshop either.

This sounds plausible...

I use a dry erase board as a gridmap (with permanent marker for the gridlines) and a second one as a general map.

If anybody knows a grid mat that isn't expensive for a flat piece of plastic I'd be down to get one

Good Tier:
Gamescience
Wiz Dice

Standard Tier:
Chessex
Koplow

Shit Tier:
Q Workshop
Crystal Caste

Not Worth It Tier:
Artisan Dice

What about Impact Miniature dice?

Underrated.

i bought some a sharp edged chessex set which looks nice but i'm worried they'll break while rolling desu

Does anybody know if the edge on game science dice, or precision dice in general, will wear down, like the crumbly old TSR dice in the pic here?

That shit is old school 'low impact' plastic - no one has used that stuff in decades. In other words, NO. Dice, GS or otherwise, don't wear down like pic related.

Does anyone know of dice that are only slightly weighted to favor higher results?