How powerful are the Arbites as a military force?

"Less corrupt and violent than Mexican police" isn't a really good standard.

It's the paranoia of the Imperium

The force meant to fight their own citizenry is better equipped and armed than the force meant to fight the outside enemies

Yeah, their combat personnel are basically all special forces. They don't need thousands of grunt infantry, they need cops and investigators and small SWAT units.

Don't the PDF hold the line until the guard arrive?
Also aren't the Arbites more like the FBI mixed with SWAT teams?

>The force meant to fight their own citizenry is better equipped and armed than the force meant to fight the outside enemies

Not really true, they are way more guards than arbites.
Also the Imperial Navy probably has more budget than all other armed forces combined

Yeah but all they deal with is other humans whilst the Imperial Guard has to deal with thousands or more dire threats. The Arbites are just as well armed and armored as the Storm Troopers.

The PDF hold the line if the problem is invading Orks. The Arbites hold their precinct fortresses and a few key landing zones if the problem is the PDF.

The Arbites will help out as much as they can in the event of an invasion, but their purpose is to maintain and enforce Imperial law, to hold the Imperium together. When planets rebel, try to go independent, that's when the Arbites go full military and call for the Guard.

They're an army of Judge Dredds.

What this guy said, basically.

>Body armour
>Hand weapons
>Light combat vehicles
>Organized

They'll beat unorganized and/or poorly armed resistance. I would imagine their effectiveness being comparable to that of a highly functioning militia, not unlike the ones doing the fighting in Syria today. They're good enough to fight an insurrection, they'd probably melt away before a professional military force apart from some diehard fanatics who'd continue resistance.

Their numbers are much, much smaller. Arbites are well-equipped because there are fewer of them and they do an important job. Losing one soldier isn't important. Losing an Arbite is a problem, especially if they're in the middle of an investigation. Moreover, the Arbites are the face of Imperial Law on the various planets. It's important that they seem powerful, infallible, invulnerable, to keep the citizenry in line.

He is implying that they suck at aiming just like American polcimen.

>Anyone rebelling/conquering has to plan around the arbites

Yeah, the first offensive action took by the rebellious governor in Guy Haley's Shadowsword is to order the shelling of the arbites barracks near the capital

Well they control like Hive Cities and stuff, those are massive.

Part of their job is specifically to defend their precinct fortresses in the event of a planetwide rebellion. They're meant to hold off the rebel PDF until the Guard arrive. They're not meant to win wars, but they are supposed to hold out against entire armies for a while.

haha yeah man that kid holding a wii controller totally had it coming

Yeah, and think how many soldiers come from those massive cities.

Shitloads of disposable infantry, smaller units of well-equipped supercops. That's the Imperial way.

They get Carapace armor which is better then Imperial Guard Flak.
They get Bolt guns and shock mauls and automatic shotguns and riot shields.
They have Rhinos which are APC's used by Space Marines and Sisters of Battle, better then the APC Chimera that the Imperial Guard use.

>haha yeah man that kid holding a wii controller totally had it coming
They shot a niglet pointing a gun shaped wii controller at them ?
Nice.

>Rhinos, with a pintle storm bolter/heavy stubber
>better than Chimeras. Which have a multilaser or autocannon turret, a hull mounted heavy bolter or heavy flamer and has slots that the infantry to shoot out of.

This,
Taurox > Chimera >>>>>>>>>>> Rhino.

I never got why the space marines got such a shitty APC

They've got the feudal pedigree of the Adeptus title, and are the guys directly responsible for making sure the scattered planets comply with imperial laws (and if needs must, hold up in their precinct fortresses until reinforcements can arrive).

It would be strange if they weren't so well equipped. Remember that they've technically got authority over the imperial governors too.

The dude was white. The police knocked due to his father parole violation, kid opened the door while holding a Wii controlled, cop shot him. Though to sooth you /pol/ack pride, the officer was a woman, so you can still feel superior to [insert group of people different to you here].

useless, the arbites always chicken out disappear when invaded by chaos especially CSM. kinda funny since these guys get the relic shit as standard equipment like plasma grenade and volkite pistols while a guardmans get only t-shirt and a prayer. guess balls of steels are manufractured exclusively in astra militarum.

Arbites ARE diehard fanatics, for the most part.

user, Chimeras are much better than normal Rhinos in weapon, armor and even in transport duty.

And some regiments wear a high amount of Carapace armor.

Maybe because it can be armed with a lot of standard marine weapons or the electronic/machine spirit are more advanced or some shit like that.

>Though to sooth you /pol/ack pride, the officer was a woman
Eh I could've guessed it...But it's not the first time the police raid the wrong house/person

>so you can still feel superior to [insert group of people different to you here]
I don't feel I am, I objectively am, by rationnal criterias

LAW/10

more reliable

Thing can run on spit and harsh language, and has enough redundancies to make sure it can get things from point A to point B regardless of the damage it suffers. Which, when your cargo is a bunch of space marines, is more important than a multi-laser and heavy bolter.

In the fluff, at least. Game-wise it's just a cheap shitbox to work well enough alongside their expensive infantry. Land raiders are the real transports.

>People still confuse Arbites and the Arbitors

I'll admit ive never played the tabletop and just assumed the Rhino was better.

Arbites are the planets primary law enforcement right? From criminal law to civil law they are all better armed then the primary fighting forece of the Imperium. Its just something I can't wrap my head around.

What Regiments primarily use Carapace armor?

>I don't feel I am, I objectively am, by rationnal criterias
Yeah, a lot of people are better than American cops. Take pride in that, at least.

>Arbites are the planets primary law enforcement right? From criminal law to civil law they are all better armed then the primary fighting forece of the Imperium. Its just something I can't wrap my head around.
Nah, they are the more like the Imperial FBI.

But the Chimera is just as reliable (has to be, because 9/10 there isn't a tech priest around to supervise repairs and the like) and is even amphibious!

Yeah, most cops are not Arbites. You've got several levels of police (the equivalent of things like county sheriff, metro PD, state troopers, etc.) before you get up to the Arbites supercops.

Like, if the local cops are corrupt or in over their heads, you call the Feds. If THEY'RE corrupt or in over their heads, you call the Arbites.

>the Chimera is just as reliable
>has to be
it ain't

Rhinos are the original DAoT colony vehicles, and have five layers of redundancy as far as vehicle operation is concerned. If a chimera's engine goes kaput, that's it.

>rationnal
The pride of the white race people. Truly, /pol/ is a beacon of light in an ocean of infinite dark.

Not really?
I remember at least once in a gaunts ghost book I've read where a chimera's engine down (several times) and the driver got it working again essentially by smacking it with a wrench and cussing at it over the course over several minutes.

Also: there are only a few laws the Arbites are in charge of enforcing. They don't give a fuck about a murder, unless the victim was part of the greater Imperial government. This doesn't necessarily track with power or importance. Cap the richest man on the planet? It's a local matter. Ice a nerdy little accountant who was technically a member of the Administratum? Prepare your anus for shock-baton.

Shit the Arbites care about:
>Interplanetary smuggling
>Treason
>Mass insurrection
>Crimes against Imperial personnel
>TAX EVASION.

You're gonna have to explain this one to me

Imperial Worlds are largely autonomous and self governed. They may make any laws and lead as they see fit. Arbites deal strictly with enforcing Imperial law - usually, just ensuring compliance with the few rules the Imperium imposes on planets. The paying of tithes, worship of the Emperor (though this is largely handled by the Ecclesiarchy), the following of Imperial edicts regarding dealing with Xenos and using Xenos technology (ie. Don't), etc. And they ONLY deal with matters strictly relating to Imperial Law. They're always brought in from offworld, to prevent any possibility of sympathy or ties to the populace, as well as isolate them so they can focus on their duties. On some worlds you wouldn't even see them. But every world, barring maybe death worlds, are going to have a fortress precint somewhere, monitoring listening stations and making sure no ones getting any idea's. The more civilized the world and the more invested the Imperium is, the larger the Arbites presence will be.

The Arbites have a chain of command separate from the Imperial Guard, and I believe their chief officer is one of the Highlords of Terra, along with the Grand Admiral of the Navy, High General of the Astra Militarum, the Fabricator General of the Admech, Whatever the head of the Ecclesiarchy is called again, the dude in charge of the Administratum, a representative from the Navigator houses and as of recent Robooty Gullymein

Also this

>>Interplanetary smuggling
Unless it's a Rogue Trader who knows who to talk too.
>Treason
Fair
>Mass insurrection
Fair
>Crimes against Imperial personnel
Unless it's Noble/Rogue Trader on commoner
>TAX EVASION.
For the common folk, maybe, but usually it's Inquisition matter if it's on the noble/planetary level.

>>TAX EVASION.

I still find it hilarious how much of the real world enforcement community is dedicated to this

>Arbitors
not that user, but Arbitrators are the militant arm of the Adeptus Arbites. Technically the Arbites encompasses a full police organization with detectives, judges, and legal scholars.

All of them can shoot though.

>The Adeptus Arbites
While every advanced Imperial planet has its own local planetary police forces colloquially known as Enforcers and its own local laws, the Arbites are responsible for enforcing the broader laws of the Imperium, the Lex Imperia, ensuring Imperial Planetary Governors do not plot against Imperial rule, and that all Imperial laws and decrees are followed. The enforcement of a planet's local laws is not the concern of the Adeptus Arbites. These are left to the local law enforcement agencies. The Adeptus Arbites also serves to keep Planetary Governors in check; if an Imperial governor decides to skip his tithes for a year or ignore requests for troops from an embattled neighbour or the Administratum itself, one glance at the armoured fortress-precinct house of the Adeptus Arbites is usually more than enough to make him reconsider.

Not a whole lot, actually. There really should be more. There's something like a 3/1 return on spending money on IRS agent salaries, given how much fraud they turn up. They just don't have enough manpower.

It turns up a lot in legal briefs, though, because even when you can't totally prove the crime, you can prove that the criminal somehow wound up with a bunch of money they didn't report. That's how they got Capone.

Arbitrators are stationed on almost every advanced Imperial world in fortified fortress-precincts. Arbitrators are recruited from the Adeptus Ministorum's Schola Progenium facilities (the Ecclesiarchy's schools for the orphans of Imperial servants who have given their lives in the Emperor's service) across the Imperium.

In the event of a planet-wide collapse of Imperial control, the Arbites can decree martial law and take control until a suitable command can be established, generally under an Imperial Guard force. Even in circumstances that are not as extreme, Arbitrators have legal power over most of the people in the Imperium. They are authorized to arrest, interrogate, and execute Planetary, Sub-Sector, or even Sector Governors should the occasion warrant it, and can do the same to officers of the Imperial Guard and the Imperial Navy (although custom dictates that they must seek permission from the Commissariat, the organisation responsible for military law in the Imperial Guard). Only the very highest-ranking individuals and Imperial institutions are above the dictates of Imperial Law (the Imperial Inquisition, the Adeptus Astartes, the Navis Nobilite, etc), something that reflects powerfully on the mutual awe and terror in which the Arbitrators are held across the galaxy.

>Not really?
A rhino's got four individual engines and an override to force normal function from an internal battery if all four of them get disabled. They later brought this into the main rules with the ability to un-immobilize itself (and in 8th, self-repair).

It's the rhino's one claim to fame. You have to pretty much completely dismantle it if you want to prevent it from moving.

Commanded by the Grand Provost Marshal of the Adeptus Arbites, who is one of the High Lords of Terra, the Arbites maintains an uncompromising attitude towards crime and hands out harsh sentences for violations, including summary execution, helping to make its officers in their dreaded black uniforms into symbols of fear across the Imperium. The Arbites is, for all intents and purposes, the practical militant arm of the Adeptus Terra. It presents a united legal front across the galaxy - it is concerned only with citizens following Imperial Law, and remains separate from enforcing local (planetary) laws. Arbitrators go to great lengths to remain aloof and separate from the populations they police, often only appearing to patrol and drag some poor unfortunate back to their terrifying fortress-precincts.

Better than PDF's at least

It's a needless distinction, like needing to correct people talking about Adepta Sororitas when they mean the Sisters of Battle.

They got troops, weapons, tanks and ships. They might not have the numbers for a full on war, but they got the equipment to bring the hurt if needed.

What would Vimes think of Arbitres?

They should be strong enough to crack into the average planetary governor's fortress and bring him to justice, or squash a mutinous IG battalion.

They should be strong enough and equipped to take down a rogue psyker or a person harboring them (Imperial law regarding psykers would fall under Arbites jurisdiction). Arbites appeared in the Grey Knights list in Rogue Trader 40K 'Slaves to Darkness' so the Inquisition clearly values them.

Full scale war- they'd be on the defensive. Although I like the idea of riot shield Arbites, that never made a lot of sense to me because I think the Arbites would clear crowds with heavy bolters and flamers and not even blink.

Man, you have 300 million people. The amount of police shootings is statistically insignificant.
Stop believing the distorted view presented by media. Yes, they can present a few cases and highly publicize them, get a lot of attention and all that. Makes it look like it's representative of the whole, when it's literally a cherrypicked situation.
It doesn't mean that suddenly you're being swarmed by the evil cop army.

Actually, the more people buy into this shit, the more shootings there will be...
Because faggots will get more and more hostile when confronted by the police.

It's not that the American police shoot people left and right, it's just that American police have alot of these incidents relative to the population when compared to many other Western countries.

A lot more cops get also shot in Burgeristan.

>tfw she'll never be an Arbites special character

special characters are shit, making your own is superior

even if that series of novels is the best thing

>tfw when we might never get Arbites as a unit for Imperium forces.

> American police have alot of these incidents relative to the population when compared to many other Western countries

America has a lot of black people compared to many other Western countries. Contrast white to white and the US is equal or lower crime than most of Europe.

>implying GW won't give new plastic Necromunda Enforcers 40k rules

They have to deal with less organized / general crime. If you correlate it with violent crime you'll find a nice pattern.
This is like wondering why brazilian police is trigger happy when some random schmuck shoots down a police helicopter.
Or why the japanese police doesn't really have a lot of trouble when even Yakuza keeps their shit under very tight wraps.

And it's still statistically insignificant.

>doesn't want a great model to use for /hisgal/
>would rather use a terrible headswap conversion
>or an incompatible 3rd party model

Some of the best models are for characters.

Tactically? Very. They have far better kit then the IG. They have their own starships. They have far larger numbers then the sisters of battle. Lord Marshal (Head of the Arbites for a Imperial sector) can order a Exterminatus and they do have the means to carry it out themselves.

youtube.com/watch?v=NNc242mbiUs

Strategically? Weak. They have very large commitments to keep as part of their peace keeping duties. They do not have the manpower of the guard, nor their logistical support system. Their ships are advanced and well made, very comparable to what space marines use. For example they have strike cruiser. But they are not numerous. All of their ships ,barring their prisoner transports, have to be multi-role in nature. They do not really have ships in the battleship weight range either.

They do not control them. They keep the imperial law there. For regular stuff there are local law enforcers.
So Arbites don't care about murder or some corruption or something theft.
They care about the tithe, collecting psykers, prevention rebellion and culling cults.

They're the police, though. The actual military forces are the Planetary Defense Force and the Imperial Guard, and the PDF are usually just there to slow the enemy down for long enough for the Guard to show up.

Not so funny if know about how much damage it does. Tax evaders deserve death.

>They do not really have ships in the battleship weight range either.
This is their general barrier to being a real military force, and it's not limited to ships. They have good stuff available, but very little really heavy stuff. Any real navy would smash them in a straight fight, but no smuggler would stand a chance. Against a real army the best they can hope to do is survive in their precinct fortress, but even the best organised and equipped mob could easily be put down. They've got the kit to do their job, but they don't have the kit to compete with the guard on the ground or the navy in space. That's the whole point of the post-heresy Imperium, after all, that no one component is capable of functioning independently.

>wants to live in Greece

they're incredibly understaffed , with more provincial planets (aka shit like earth atm) only having like 1 to 10 of them on the planet delegating most of the work to local law enforcers
they are also completely lacking in heavy ordnance, they are equipped and trained to deal with a mob , not an organised military force. in short , they can make for a nasty surprise in urban warfare, but the moment any more armored than a car comes in they're fucked

It's one of the non - permanent seats I think. Like the leader of the Custodes or the Grandmaster of the Assassins or the leader the the navigator guilds. And a couple more I forgot.

Actually, they can be fairly powerful - they've got better armor than most, bolters, Rhinos, and even ships that are like lesser versions of Space Marine cruisers. Since their bases are giant fortresses, they're usually one of the last places to fall during a rebellion or invasion. Their numbers are small, but I think the PDF would coordinate with them if there was an attack, and that would help bolster their numbers.

The problem is, aside from occasionally chasing down pirates, they do little aside from defend whatever planet they're on, so even though they could arguably make a decent army of footsloggers, they aren't going to show up much on the tabletop, except maybe as count-as Stormtroopers. Much like Sisters, unfortunately.

"US police in the news", to be more specific. So hyping up brutality.

>everyone makes fun of American Police.
>but they never take into account that their lethality rate is far lower than most other countries that have massive populations
>especially when factoring in increased crime rate due to literally all the trash of every race being culminated in one country as Americans

US Police are too god damn lenient if anything.

You mean they're all undertrained fucking retards too stupid to be a part of the military, running around with loaded weapons shooting shit like they're goddamn Ranger in Quake.

On top of that, Americans have some kind of hyperviolence boner, because when you crunch the numbers down into nice relative percentages, you won't find a more violent Western country, even though you'll find countries with MORE GUNS.

>keep a part of your people poor
>isolate them
>herd the together
>wonder why they do criminal shit
>claim their skin colour is at fault

Murrica. You are as creepy as you are dumb.

Okay child.

wtf I want borderless immigration now!

Any decent books featuring Arbites? I'm in the mood for some Space Judge Dredd

the enforcer trilogy

>too stupid to be a part of the military

As someone in the US Army right now, I'll have you know that there is no one "too stupid" to join the military.

Stupidest motherfuckers I've ever met are cocksuckers in my Army career

>suck at aiming
>kill people erry week, usually with guns

niggawhat.jpg

He'd probably see them as much the same as palace guards.

Yeah, American cops lack the nerve and disciplined to stay calm enough to actually realize what's going on in a given situation, not basic skill with firearms.

>Although I like the idea of riot shield Arbites, that never made a lot of sense to me because I think the Arbites would clear crowds with heavy bolters and flamers and not even blink.
Whilst I agree they wouldn't blink. I think they'd understand how it would just end up causing a civil war. They want to be feared, not hated.

Now im imagining a couple of arbitres assigned to a backwater medieval world, where they are seen as a mix of knights and sorcerers (for anyone who has not seen a shock maul before, It may as well be a sturdy wand of lighting). They wear strange armor, and due to Juve treatments, they seem to be ageless. Could lead to some funny shenanigans

>tfw drowning in pussy cus ur an immortal paladin of the emperor but they're all unwashed & diseased

There's also the fact that they frequently need to keep people alive for interrogations. Shock mauls, suppression shields, cyber mastiffs, tear gas grenades, non-lethal rounds. they all tie into that.

Though grimdark, they are ultimately a police force.

I like the bit of fluff that when the Sisters of Battle started using Repressors, they took water-cannons off and replaced them with flamers. Most Arbites weaponry is ultimately non-lethal, at least in theory. The Imperium is cruel, but not cruel enough they're going to use lethal force for every infraction - or they're at least going to make sure it's worth wasting bolter rounds and flamer fuel on.