From the previous thread's discussion about why on Earth the RN was using the submarine monitor HMS M1 as a patrol boat somewhere in the Black Sea immediately after the war.
>>Why do you think they were hiding it? From who? Why?
Read up on Lloyd George, Haig, and the Admiralty. (To forestall the pedantic spergs, yes, Haig was Army. I included him to emphasize that the military and it's leaders were no longer sacred cows in the eye of Parliament.)
When when M1 was finally launched in mid-1917, events like Jutland the year before, the submarine campaign being currently lost, the Somme the year before, and Ypres being currently fought meant the KNIVES WERE OUT in Parliament for any flag rank service member they could get their hands on.
Here was the RN on one hand screaming about a lack of destroyers and other escorts meant any convoying system couldn't be set up while on the other hand wasting time, labor, and yard space laying down FOUR submarines based on an idea already known not only unworkable but false.
And you still wonder why the Admiralty sent the only one of those subs finished during the war off the Med immediately after commissioning?
Out of sight, out of mind. Having HMS M1 putzing around in home waters increased the chance some MP would remember it and use it's very existence as an excuse to demand a purge.
Chase Ortiz
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Angel Garcia
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Hunter Lewis
That is rather interesting casemate arrangement.
Isaiah Howard
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Robert Allen
Furst Scharnhorst. Died along with its sister ship down in the Falklands as part of Graf Spee's East Asia Squadron.
My favorite Armored Cruiser.
Dylan Jones
That lower row of three must have been useless in any kind of a seaway.
Dominic Wood
Oh very much so.
Lincoln Campbell
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Robert Reyes
Probably the best one ever. And if it wasn't that's because it was Gneisenau.
Josiah Carter
As much as they are my favorite ACs i've heard very good things about Rurik(the 1906 variant).
Its Russian in name and service but was built by the Brits.
Easton Flores
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Carson Hill
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Chase Martin
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Noah Brown
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Jason Sanders
It's more that, unit-for-unit, Spee's squadron were the most strategically effective ships in history (outside Goeben and Breslau, and one of those was a battleship with a Size L "I'm a cruiser" T-shirt, and the other was an destroyer with a Size S "I'm a cruiser" T-shirt, so Scharnhorst and Gneisenau Best Cruiser).
If Emden had gotten to Basra... if Scharnhorst's shell hadn't been a dud... I can imagine the moment Churchill realizes that the nitrate freighters from Chile have been stopped cold and there isn't a RN cruiser on the waves that can fight Spee and beat him and get chills.
Justin Foster
Don't remember where I came on this, but some really cool images.
Ships named after Blücher just can't catch a break it seems.
Joseph Evans
>Horse sounds intensify
Easton Sanders
>Cannot combine A, 1 and 2 turret positions. Plan B it is, then.
I really hope RtW2 will let us build and assign destroyer leaders. Shouldn't be too hard to implent as there are DLs in Steam and Iron Campaign already.
Evan James
>5 x 1 6 inch guns
Personally I would had gone with 4 x 2 4 (if you want more torpedoes or have it go faster) or 5 inch guns (if you want slightly better gun performance and are willing to accept rather mediocre top speed), presuming of course that you've got tech to do so.
Robert Brooks
Varied Tech, so now double-mounts on DDs yet, even though it's late 1922. France was stuck with single torpedo tubes until 1920, too.
Regarding the 6" guns, I actually do have quality 1 5" guns, it's just that I'm a huge slut for 6" destroyers. They actually took part in a fight against an Austrian CL right now. One shell from the Volevoy penetrated and disabled the cruiser's machinery, allowing me to riddle it with torpedoes. I should probably look into outfitting them with directors as soon as I get the tech.
Aiden Diaz
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Jacob Garcia
You know I don't think ive every tried putting anything bigger than 5" guns on DDs in RtWs. Its usually 4" guns all the way since I invariably get quality 1 variants early on with the occasional single 5s at the very end.
I'll need to try it at some point.
Jeremiah Gomez
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Andrew Brooks
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Daniel Gray
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Connor Smith
That is a lot of funnels.
Austin Allen
I wonder what the most number of stacks ever run on a warship was.
Joshua Nelson
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Grayson Young
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Aiden Taylor
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Jayden Cook
Probably one of those French armoured cruisers. IIRC, the original design for the Lexington-class battlecruisers was supposed to have 7 stacks minimum, some of which were supposed to be arranged side-by-side.
Ethan Nguyen
>IIRC, the original design for the Lexington-class battlecruisers was supposed to have 7 stacks minimum, some of which were supposed to be arranged side-by-side.
Geezus...
Asher Ward
Not even the weirdest design proposed for Lexingtons desu.
Adrian Brown
It gets even better >5" belt >35 knots
Someone call an ambulance, I think Lord Fisher just fainted.
James Gomez
I prefer the >sidearmor? what is that?-proposal.
Cooper Baker
>We took a protected cruiser, put 16" guns on it and straightened out the slopes of the armoured deck Perfect.
Isaiah Reyes
>Everything apart from the armaments is perfect for a big carrier It's like the engineers were planning on building CVs from the beginning, and had to sneak it past the budget team by disguising them as CBs...
Leo Williams
>It's like the engineers were planning on building CVs from the beginning, and had to sneak it past the budget team by disguising them as CBs... Reminds of how the Graf Zeppelin would have been Germany's best heavy cruiser, lol
Ryan Peterson
>turn a perfectly fine heavy cruiser into a horrible carrier >then go and make your planned aircraft carrier into a weird heavy cruiser
What is Lexingtons and weird stacks? >first they were supposed to be have half-a-dozen of them >then following the carrier conversion they have one fuckhuge smokestack
Thomas Campbell
>hey guys, if the enemy shells pierce through both sides of the ship before they detonate, that's a kind of protection, right?
Kevin Davis
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John Roberts
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Easton Cruz
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Wyatt Sanchez
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Jaxon Sanders
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James Anderson
>What is Lexingtons and weird stacks?
You're confusing a structural shroud with the actual boiler exhaust ducting. That "one fuckhuge smokestack" was actually several smaller exhaust ducts run to one area and then gathered inside the same shroud.
You can see this more easily in many WW2 IJN designs where exhaust ducts run forward and after to meet at one point where they're collected inside one shroud.
Robert Russell
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Jacob Foster
Wish they had at least gotten permission to bring up the ship's bell to add to the memorial.
Christopher Carter
>It's like the engineers were planning on building CVs from the beginning, and had to sneak it past the budget team by disguising them as CBs... >CBs user. CBs are 'Large Cruisers', like the Alaskas and (near contemporary, but never built) Stalingrads, and (modern) Kirovs. You want 'CC', which means 'Battlecruiser'. Yes, there is a pretty big difference between the two based on how they are built.
Brody Nguyen
>Yes, there is a pretty big difference between the two based on how they are built.
short version is a "large cruiser" is a cruiser design scaled up, whereas a battlecruiser is a battleship design scaled down.
Angel White
>Wish they had at least gotten permission to bring up the ship's bell to add to the memorial.
USN will most likely do that now that they have the location.
While I seriously doubt the ROV use by Allen's team to take those photos was also carrying the cutting torch and manipulators needed to detach the bell and place in netting or a box for the return to the surface, you shouldn't let pesky things like facts get in the way of your abject ignorance.
Oliver Ward
Who shat in your shit on a shingle?
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Benjamin Hernandez
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Isaiah Brown
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James Stewart
Stupid question but does anyone know the purpose of those smaller hornlike pipes around the funnels? The only reason for their existence that I could come up with was that they could be somehow related to ship's ventilation.
Jason Hernandez
Took me a moment to see what you were talking about. Yeah, those are ventilation intakes for the ship, primarily to keep the fires hot in the boilers.
... Don't use them for """emergency pissers""".
Luke Jenkins
that almost crashed my browser
Brandon Reed
Just what kind of Australian potato internet you've if one 2.97mb 10k x 5k is enough to make it shit itself?
Landon Hall
Is it bad that I think pre-dreadnoughts are more aesthetic than everything that came after?
I just like all those little casemates at the sides, adds a bit more variety over plain TURRETS.
Henry Rogers
What was the best super dreadnought/pre-fast battleship?
Daniel Butler
The best in what sense? Most technologically advanced? Most suited for is operator nation's needs? Best combat record? Had the greatest strategical impact?
Daniel Lopez
It'll be the resolution that's the problem, not the speed of the internet.
Nope, Pre-dreads are best. Got that transitional period of everyone not knowing what the fuck works going on.
Henry Sanchez
>Old Renown beats out Modernized "floating castle" Renown any day for looks.
Kayden Williams
How about one (or maybe a top 3 or something) for each of those categories.
Juan Morris
pre dreads are the best. They look so FINE.
William Foster
>Oregon = best pre-dred
Michael Long
NO, that's not French weirdness
Dylan Perry
One does not require a tumblehome to be beautiful.
Benjamin Kelly
>what is freeboard
Justin Rogers
one doesn't NEED it, but it certainly helps.
Matthew Lewis
Dunno about that, but god damn that's a good colorized photo.
Luke Brooks
>Yeah, those are ventilation intakes for the ship, primarily to keep the fires hot in the boilers.
Those are boiler safety valve discharge stacks. Boiler draft and ventilation intakes are large louvered panels on the superstructure.
Jeremiah Watson
Tbh I prefer earlier turret, casemate, and barbette ships over the later pre-dreads.
Asher Howard
Teddy's Bulldog.
Christian Morris
So i asked this in the HWG thread and did get a reply but it appears you all are more interested in this type of game so maybe you can add some depth and recommendations.
There are a lot of games listed in the naval category. Does anyone have recommendations for a good one Set in the Napoleonic/age of sail time frame?
Juan Sanchez
Check out Heart of Oak and/or Wooden Ships & Iron Men.
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Michael Cooper
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Jordan Collins
>another day >yet another american destroyer getting involved in a collision
Guess that someone in USN is really trying to bring back ramming tactics.