WH40k reached Dragon Ball Z level of absurd power creep >make guys who are to space marines what space marines are to IG why not go a step further and just have Super Marines who are as strong as Primarchs and then introduce their Primarchs?
It's not cool it's just fucking stupid and how will Chaos and xeno answer look like? Chaos Mutant Daemon Primaris Marines Marked By All Four Gods?
Ork Megablasta Git who looks like Beast clone?
What a fucking shit setting. In my headcannon nothing that doesn't exist in DOW games exists in 40k.
Lucas King
90% of players play marines. New edition came out. Old players can just use their existing marines models.
So how can GW make a profit?
Make a new Marines faction that you can't just paint up your existing models to be and make it more powerful than original marines.
I'd love to see an organized push back from the players with everyone just using old marines models and Primaris rules.
Chase Rodriguez
I don't even bother with Primaris because old Marines are performing better for me anyway.
Ian Wilson
>His setting still has Pariahs Now THAT hurts...
Jacob Hill
The gap between space marines and primaris isn't all that big, either in lore or on tabletop.
The novel dark imperium handled it well. Showing regular marines have more experience and teamwork ability that makes them often more effective.
Logan Evans
>The gap between space marines and primaris isn't all that big, either in lore or on tabletop. which makes them a pointless fucking addition >Showing regular marines have more experience and teamwork ability that makes them often more effective.
so why the fuck even bother with hiring primaris
Lincoln Cruz
>make guys who are to space marines what space marines are to IG wat did you even read the lore? they are a bit better than regular marines at best, otherwise that means custodes are next level retard gods even though its canon that they are already not that much better than marines
Jaxson Foster
>90% Doubt, unless you only play with 12 years old no one last their teens plays marines.
Isaac Watson
A good excuse to bring back some dwindling chapters with new blood
Eli Butler
no one last their teens plays 40k
Michael Brooks
I just wanted lore wise correctly sized marines, and as I never bought any spess muhrine models now I will only buy primaris marines and if needed play them as normal marines
Jayden Johnson
Primarines are actually pretty awful, I don't know what they do that can't be done more efficiently than regular marines.
This is all for now though as we gradually shift to the new stuff. I predicted 8th will have them suck ass, 9th they will eek out some advantage and 10th regular marines won't see any play at all or Primarines will just replace them in name and function (essentially losing their unique statline and being the new standard).
Eli Sanchez
Im ok with this. Primaris models are way better. I just started a SM army too with the new edition so I don't have any size conflictions.
Jeremiah Wilson
>I'd love to see an organized push back from the players with everyone just using old marines models and Primaris rules. Primaris aren't good, nigger. Neither are regular marines, but Primaris are even less good. They suffer even worse from the typical Space Marine condition of being expensive elites that are good at nothing in the Hordy Hordes Edition of small units getting fucked by Morale
Anthony Butler
>I'd love to see an organized push back from the players with everyone just using old marines models and Primaris rules.
Will never happen. Space Marine players are usually newcomers/kids/fanboys anyway. Games Workshop could release a new codex with the pages kept together by literal shit and they'd still make more of a profit than anything else that year.
Stormcast players, who are almost universally coming from 40k, are pretty much the only people keeping AoS from being taken out back and shot.
Grayson Reyes
>I'm going to buy the new warp spider models >oh >I'd like to buy the new starter set for 40k >marines vs marines >oh Not sure if marines are popular or just a result of them shoved into everything.
Jordan Brooks
>Push space marines and super-duper marines like there's no tomorrow >wonder Why Konor is so unbalanced GW is fucking retarded.
Anthony Bennett
I feel like it's been kind of a chicken and egg thing for awhile now, or even a feedback loop. Marines are popular because they get the most support because they're popular because they get the most support ect...
Liam Ramirez
>so why the fuck even bother with hiring primaris
They have more natural ability, so when they gain experience they will be superior in all respects.
Tyler Reyes
>It's unfair that GW is promoting MARINES and SUPERMARINES >My SPIKY MARINES are completely underrepresented! I swear to god, Chaosfags have an even bigger persecution complex than Guardfags.
Robert Long
Hell even my grandmother had marines. Think she got a squad from a cookie box. When it is easier to name stand alone games and starter sets without marines than the ones with marines, you know there is problem.
The dissapointed people had when playing Dark Heresy and then trying to buy some models for the shit they play was sad
Jayden Carter
Loyalist SM fags will have a bigger persecution complex than Chaos/Guard/Xenosfags combined.
>WE NEED A STAND ALONE BLACK TEMPLAR CODEX >wtf the imperium isn't allowed to lose why does GW love Chaos/Xenos >Tau get one victory in a book and SMfags erupt into autistic tears >W-W-WHY AREN'T THERE MORE SPACE MARINES IN FALL OF CADIA?! >I'm bored of Custodes/Sisters/Auxilia in HH, we need MORE MARINES >MARINES DESERVE MORE RELEASES BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS AN NPC RACE >I HATE CHAOS BECAUSE CHAOS FINALLY GOT A VICOTORY AFTER THIRTEEN YEARS WHY DOES GW LOVE THEM >wtf I can't delete 50 Guardsmen a turn anymore FUCKING GUARDFAGS RUINED 8TH >FUCKING ELDAR AND TAU AND CHAOSFAGS AND GUARDFAGS AMIRITE? PURGE LE HERESY XDDDD
Andrew Murphy
It's not even fun to fight against chaos, even with my un updated SoB army I table the fuckers on the regular.
Elijah Lewis
>Implying Marinefags haven't always been acting like cocksure turbofags >Implying Marinefags haven't always tried to twist the two defeats they were ever dealt into a victory >Implying Marinefags have ever talked about the game because their rules have been shit consistently outside of a memebuild or two
Watch out that you don't hurt yourself while reaching that hard, chaoslet.
Brody Barnes
Even when playing marines the "new" release every month gets boring fast. Specially when your opponents still have shit from a decade ago.
Hunter Brown
Primaris Marines are what you get when a Space Marine reaches the eighth rank and is promoted.
Blake Kelly
>persecution complex
But for real, Chaos has no reason to complain
please complain if you are >SoB >Ork >Gaurd (wheres my sweet alternate Regiment kits)
Anthony Gray
Tfw Guardfag who just wants less LSM wank so 75% of his games aren't shooting fellow Imperials.
Christian Johnson
That face when Ork player whos wimpy dinky old molds looks so wimpy next to everything else in the game.
But i understand how you feel, i would love to have a massive Armaggedon reinactment.
Adam Nelson
But I'm a Necron Fag.
Dylan Cooper
Admech player here, I don't really mind who I'm shooting at honestly although I prefer murderizing Marines of some kind just for the glorious salt. We get completely crapped on in lore though, since Kelly hates us and all the other writers seem to see us as a convenient punching bag for causing the LSMs some problems. Eye of Medusa is a lot better though, Skitarii do almost all of the work and they're seen tearing Iron Hands apart with superior analytics and lots and lots of stabby Sicarians.
Taking apart Marines on the tabletop is great fun, though, since I basically can't lose fluffwise. I kill Guilliman and his Terminator and Custodes escort and that's a vast and pretty much irreplacable loss for the Imperium, whereas the only thing worth a damn in my army is the two Kastelans and they're still around in the millions. He can table me six or seven times and still not do more than dent a Forge World's reserves, while I've probably knocked a couple of percentage points off the number of Marines in the entire setting at this point.
Jonathan Brooks
Yeah, I'm doing the same. Bigly Marines look nicer imo and Ill just play old marine rules, because my friends don't give a fuck.
William Johnson
>make guys who are to space marines what space marines are to IG
So did you fuck up and not post a Custodes image or are you just full retard, OP?
Hudson Clark
>I don't understand that GW wanted a way to justify making true-scale Marines without making manlet Marines irrelevant OR have a bonus in gaming by being smaller.
Fuck off. Primaris Marines have been mentioned in fluff decades ago, or at least theoretically. Leave the setting, go elsewhere. I'm 100% convinced you guys are just /v/ tourists, so fuck off to /v/ and cry that DoW1:2 (also known as DoW3) was exactly the same game.