Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

Do you really?

Aren't you the funny guy.

It's not really about a particular action but rather about the emotions surrounding it.

The pride you feel when making a neat kill feeds Slaanesh while the gnawing fear that you might not be able to provide for your family this day that you feel before you go off to hunt gives nourishment to Nurgle.
When talking about Khorne I would say that nothing about the ordinary hunt would bring power to him. Khorne is about rage and hatred. Khorne is the hate you feel for your enemy when you learn about their latest atrocities comitted against your people and family. Khorne is the anger you feel against the wolf that keeps eating your flock.

Also, while I'm on the subject of the The Four's various dominions do anyone feel like warfare, while on the micro-scale belonging to Khorne, is on the macro mostly the dominion of Nurgle? Strategy is ofc, dualy part of both Slaanesh's and Tzeentch's realm of sustenance while geopolitical changes are clealry Tzeentchian but all the other parts seems like they would quite comfortable fit inside Nurgle's sphere of influence, especially if we take into consideration what emotions they result in.
Despair and devastation seems to too key for warfare to not primarily favour Nurgle. The diseases and famines that warfare brings are two very underplayed forces in deciding warfare, especially in a premodern society and the lands becomes full of despair as people flee their homes in search for safety while dreading every moment.The ones who don't flee get to see their homes destroyed. Even something as atrocious as weaponised rape can be viewed from a distinct nurgle agenda as it have the multipled results of instilling fear and a sense of impotence in the populace which inevitable leads to despair at the whole situation while also leading to increased fertility and the spreading of diseases. In fact, as disgusting as it is to think about it rape as a weapon seems like one of the most powerful tools Nurgle can use to gain power.

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do sorceresses serve Khaine or Slaanesh?

No offense, but I feel like a lot of your examples in the first paragraph could easily be focused onto non-Great Four deities.

The pride of a neat kill could be focused in Myrmidia, and to assuage that fear you'd probably pray to Taal before hunting. The hatred you feel for your enemies could be thought of as the righteous hatred of Ulric, and you'd attempt to keep the wolves that attack your flock away by appealing to him and following the proper rituals.

So I guess you could argue more legitimate worship takes power away from the Four - both by having the worship, focus and prayer focused in a different direction, and by allowing the masses to work through their problems with religious ritual, superstition, and general belief in divine intervention. So it's only when you lose faith in those gods, or your rituals get perverted by Chaos worshipers, that Chaos really starts winning.

First for Lahmian vampire noblewomen.

Neither technically, though those under Morathi tend to serve Slaanesh because she's dirty like that. They have another elf deity that they focus their worship on that I can't remember.

In 40k Nurgle's power grows after periods of great conflict. During war people are filled with anger or focusing on planning the perfect counter attack or whatever.

They wouldnt serve Slaanesh, they would most likely worship the various elven gods in the underworld part of the pantheon called the Cytharai.

am i?

Scenario from last thread, thoughts?

Slaanesh

The dwarf involvment is stupid.
Stirland is a major trading partner of Zuhfbar. If they attacked Karak Kadrin merchants, the entire province would either starve because the dwarves would withdraw all thair investments, or spur a civil war between Kadrin and Zuhfbar
Also, why would Estalia suport either faction? Bretonnia is a much closer potential ally, and it would nonetheless support the northern factions in the hope to size the southern provinces of the Empire for itself.
Marienburg is also another big potential ally, since it's literally on the line of fire, but apparently everyone forgot about it
Why would the college of magic suffer such a schism? if this was the case, the entire Amber Order would be branded of heresy and annihilated
and these are just the most obvious problems
also
>rat mistress
wat?

Slaanesh. Kahine despises magic.
Dark elves are chaos elves, the whole "evil elven gods" is just lazy writing bullshit that came up in later editions
Up to 6th ed. Malekith had literally thousands of people sacrified to slaanesh. he summoned fucking N'kari

>The dwarf involvment is stupid.
Stirland is a major trading partner of Zuhfbar. If they attacked Karak Kadrin merchants, the entire province would either starve because the dwarves would withdraw all thair investments, or spur a civil war between Kadrin and Zuhfbar

This is something to consider, but there is indeed mass starvation in this war. Notice the millions of civilian dead.

>Also, why would Estalia suport either faction? Bretonnia is a much closer potential ally, and it would nonetheless support the northern factions in the hope to size the southern provinces of the Empire for itself.

The concept is Estalia is already in a war with Bretonnia over territory and Bretonnia is also seeking some of the southern Empire for its own. I remember in the older lore, Bretonnia used to be itching to take southern Imperial territory

>Marienburg is also another big potential ally, since it's literally on the line of fire, but apparently everyone forgot about it

The last reikland emperor, wilhelm III, tried to forcibly take over Marienburg. Marienburg is still pissed about that and hopes that if the north wins the Middenheim emperor's will be more willing to concede

>Why would the college of magic suffer such a schism? if this was the case, the entire Amber Order would be branded of heresy and annihilated

I'm still working on that but mostly I wanted some wizard vs. wizard chaos. atm the basic setup is the Amber Order (which is close to Taal, a Northern God) supports the Ar-Ulric but gets expelled from the Order as a result and sides with some other northern-born wizards from various other orders

>rat mistress
A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

Also all Karak Kadrin's kings are named Ungrim since before the Empire was a thing

>Slaanesh. Kahine despises magic.

Where the hell did you get this idea? The Cult of Khaine uses a ton of magic.

I didn't know this, thanks.

It's literally spelled out in dark elves 6th edition books. Sorceresses cannot be of the cult of khaine because khaine hates magic, so they can't take special equipment restricted to the followers of khaine

And yet Khaine cultists like his assassins use spells, and some cult miracles involve things like binding fucking buttmad spirits to locations or spontaneously resurrecting the dead to torture for information/force to fight.

>atm the basic setup is the Amber Order (which is close to Taal, a Northern God) supports the Ar-Ulric but gets expelled from the Order as a result and sides with some other northern-born wizards from various other orders

Major issue. The main reason the college of magic exist is to protect wizards from witch hunters of the cult of Sigmar. The second the conflict is over the whole amber order would be put at the stake. If you want wizard on wizard action remember that Hergig and Middenheim have their own colleges of magic, albeit smaller than the one in Altdorf

But you see that ain't magic it's "religious devotion"
Khaine is basically a watered down Khorne

Except Khorne doesn't do that shit and chimps out if anyone even HAS a Magic rating in the RPG.

And he certainly doesn't condone things like temples, highly ritualistic and ceremonial torture-murder, and stealth.

The miracles wytch elves pull out are basically combat trance and acrobatics for the most part. Just like WE wardancers

Hence the watered down.

Khore doesn't give a shit about stealth or rituals and neither does khaine. He will not stop them from doing it, he just doesn't care.
Elves are intrinsically magical, they needed some sort of compromise

I'll probably change it to the Middenheim college. This is why I posted it.

warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Wizards_and_Alchemists_Guild

Hekarti, Atharti, Drakira. Slaanesh is meme.

I feel like a thirty years war scenerio for the Empire would never happen, as if something as bad as the war did happen it would result in the empire being so weakened it could not effecticly deal with threats from outside the empire.

Personally I kind of like the idea of the elves having a stupidly complex pantheon, with plenty of good and plenty of bad. And it also makes Khaine more interesting to not simply be Khorne by another name, especially if you actually create some distinction between the two.

Assassins do shit like fucking teleport.

>Khore doesn't give a shit about stealth or rituals and neither does khaine

Khorne despises subterfuge.

>Holswig-Schliestein

House Franz from TWW is better name than WFRP nonsense.

I'm suddenly wondering how many HElf & DElf organizations won't be units but instead be Regiments of Reknown.

>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

What the fuck

Wrong.

>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous
How would Skaven know if a child would be hot? Plus, pretty sure Skaven do not understand human behavior enough to teach someone how to seduce, given the lack of seduction in their own species.

This. Going by Skavenslayer, the Skaven have a very poor grasp of human gender politics and certainly no comprehension of what an attractive human constitutes. Also, if the Skaven kidnapped her as a child, how would they even know she'd be beautiful? And how the hell did they train her in human mannerisms like not sleeping in piles of shit, not eating people alive, and bathing?

I've addressed this. Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

The council of 13 is rather suspicious that this plan will go anywhere, but it requires minimal expenditure and risk so they figure why not let this particular Grey Seer do his thing.

Would they think a really fat chick is hot?

>Plot inconveniences are excused by magic

you actually understand the WHFB setting really well.

This is some of the most fan fic tier shit I have ever read, but I am almost okay with it.

>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

Yeah, no. That would at best result in some thirteen headed mutant monstrousity.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Skaven stole a really hot prostitute/courtesan, since they recognized that for whatever reason she was a popular breeder, and then used warpstone and magic and science to brainwash her to seduce the Ar-Ulric.

See, that sounds realistic, especially if Clan Eshin is involved.

>Well the books don't have anything saying that this ISN'T attractive to them

Just thought that it was funny that they literally just switched around the parts of real world names.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein

...

It also kind of makes sense from a Skaven standpoint - why wait years for a kid to grow into the role, instead of quickly making use of what's already there? Maybe the woman already even had liasons with the Ar-Ulric, and it only took a little tweaking to make her into a good enough agent for their will.

And with that a little more tied up, we can address the next part of the problem - how does the Rat Mistress act as the agent of the Skaven in starting this schism? Does she just goad the Ar-Ulric on? Does she use magic to twist his mind, or maybe a specially crafted warpstone device she gives as a gift?

>A hot chick the skaven kidnapped as a child and raised from birth to seduce the Ar-Ulric who was known to be lecherous

I love the mental image of a grey seer critiquing a human woman and complaining about shit like:
>Two breasts? How the fuck do you feed a litter with those?
>How can your body possible bear your young?
>They only have HOW many kids?!
>IT TAKES NINE MONTHS?!
>HOW HAVE WE NOT TAKEN OVER ALREADY?!

She gets close to him and urges him to act, he initially refuses her but she begins to predict violence against the cult of ulric (that the skaven are actually behind, she's in communication with them). He believes she's his prophet and starts to really listen

Well, I have absolutely no problems with that part, that seems pretty sensible. Though I wouldn't mind a little warpstone in there somehow.

What about the Age of 3 Emperors? Which was a significant portion of their history, mind you.

Certainly there would be human-experts among Skavenkind, given their history of infiltrating human settlements and passing as off as beggars.

Makes more sense that they'd take a kid AND a courtesan, and force her to raise the kid while the rats make sure she's loyal.

Straight influence and feeding skaven information that they can utilise to engineer scenarios that help push the war along.

fyi, Skaven actually do have a pretty good grasp of human culture. They have spies everywhere and need to interact with humans for all these plots to work out. Skaven bribed a human with beautiful women in one of the Gotrek and Felix books IIRC, though they were lying of course.

>not lewd lewd the woman thing

But again, I raise the question - why bother raising the kid? I get that a lot of Skaven plans are surprisingly long term, but kids take a long time to raise into adults, and the cultural differences would be too hard to overcome. Sure, Skaven can speak Riekspiel, but the Ar-Ulric is going to know something's up when she goes 'Faster-faster manthing!' in bed.

I think it makes a lot more sense to just have the courtesan. She knows how to work with Imperial society, she's already attractive and experienced, and it will only take a few weeks, months, at most a year or two of mental conditioning, magic, and warpstone-laced brainwashing.

Have her be a cultist of the Yellow Fang. The Skaven are still behind it, but actual humans have raised her.

Hmm..fair point, but raises the issue of someone from Imperial society going missing for years and the popping back up in Imperial society. And that form of brainwashing is high-cost as opposed to just raising a kid.

Of course, it would make more sense if the skaven were raising a whole batch of humans this way for a variety of purposes.

>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them,

This sounded weirdly familiar for a second

>Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

The idea of a woman raised on porn and etiquette manuals is hilarious.

Jesus, they made her practice on captured human slaves, didn't they?

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted or to laugh.

That does make more sense, but I still think it'd probably be easier to make use of a courtesan - or if you have a whole cult of humans at hand, make use of the prettiest one who's already an adult. You don't even need to indoctrinate or brainwash her, just maybe use a little magic to make her more pretty or something.

It's a high cost for a short amount of time, vs. a long amount of time with low cost. And then you have to factor in how likely it is to work - even if it's cheaper to raise a kid, if she's just less likely to perform properly due to culture shock or something, it's easier to mindfuck a courtesan even if it's more expensive. Goodness knows Thanquol got away with a lot of stupider, more expensive plots.

Have humans native to Naggaroth or Lustria ever been mentioned in the fluff? I know theres the Amazons, but iirc they were originally Norscans.

>but the Ar-Ulric is going to know something's up when she goes 'Faster-faster manthing!' in bed.
kek

Passing mentions that the Druchii enslaved a bunch of natives. The Hung also regularly range to Naggaroth, following the seasons.

Pygmies, they are sorta feral halflings rather than racist stereotype negroes.

Whatever the heck Wiaimen are.

What would a good guard monster for a cult's hidden lair be? One that they could dominate with (non-chaos) woo-woo magic, but which whose presence wouldn't automatically signal to anyone sane that there was something sinister afoot besides an aggressive monster?

Dog.

All right, /wfg/, I have a question. A super important question of import. It's about the table top.

In 8th ed: Can a unit with the Skirmishers special rule flee from a charge on the enemy turn, and then rally and shoot again on their own turn? My friend feels that this is not the case, but I cannot find any clarification about this.

If not, can they in 9th age? I actually might just straight up jump editions if Skirmishers can't Skirmish.

Depends on the lair, then just pick an animal from the local area that might be living in there. If its a cave then a bear, sewers a giant spider, etc

Okay guys, I have two questions:

One, does Malekith actually fuck his mom at any point, or is it only implied mother-fucking

Two, why does everyone in the warhammer world hate elves? Like, are there actual reasons besides "fuck the pointy eared bastards?"

Is it just bad I spent about $1k making a 3rd/4th edition Skaven army?

>One, does Malekith actually fuck his mom at any point, or is it only implied mother-fucking
She once asked him to "lay in bed" with her, so pretty strongly implied.

>Two, why does everyone in the warhammer world hate elves? Like, are there actual reasons besides "fuck the pointy eared bastards?"
Dwarves=Giant war
Humans=Stuck up bastards, Dark Elf raiders
Lizardmen=colonizing Lustria/Amerigo
Chaos/Greenskins/Undead=pretty obvious

Giant Spider, Artois Boar, Giant Wolf, Troll, War Lion, Sabertusk, Great Eagle, a Griffon or Hippogryph...

If you're pulling 6 figures then why the fuck not? If you've got no savings, your pension fund is empty, and you have the job security that most people do these days, then maybe you should think on the future some.

It's not bad if you had one grand's worth of fun painting it!

>tfw no large racked lothern gf

>elf with big tits
No. Might as well want a loli dwarf.

>having dwarves in your setting for any other reason than to have sweaty scottish lolis

More like I pull in five figues but I have very little expenses.

>Scottish

Get thee back to warcraft, pleb!

Oh no, not another disgustboner...

you need help.

Probably. The idea of a brainwashed femme fatale raised from birth by mutant ratmen is hardly the worst thing I've got a boner to, though.

>Spies were dispatched by the Grey Seer's to steal Imperial books and art on femininity. They read books on how women should look and behave in court and even observed some back-alley porno graffiti.

>The Skaven actually kidnapped 13 girls and raised them, and the Grey Seers summoned the Horned Rat in a ritual. The girl that glowed the greenest was chosen and the other 12 were sacrificed to make her hot, since she was rather emaciated from growing up in Skavenblight

I want some dirty fanfic about this.

If your finances can support a 1,000 dollar loss then you're free to spend it as you wish.

I'd recommend you consider investing in something that pays a dividend though. Making your money work for you is a hell of a thing, especially when you're young and your gains have time to compound over time. If you're on top of your finances and know how much money you could make off opting for a low risk investment, then spending significant amounts of money on overpriced models instead, tends to move you from 'Is this OK? Should I feel bad about this?' to 'X dollars is how much I can spend and feel comfortable.'

It seems counter-intuitive but being confident with personal finance really makes a difference, especially on luxury items - things that make you feel good, but offer no long term return on investment. Knowing how how much you can spend and doing so deliberately gets rid of any guilty feelings you might have about the expenditure.

tl;dr
Buying things you like is nice. Buying them without any uncertainty and doubts gnawing at you is better.

Important skaven like grey seers spend a significant amount of time studying other races in order to interact with them. I wonder how much of it is genuine understanding of other races' behavior and culture and how much of it is rote learning. As in, they know how humans or dwarfs or whatever are likely to act in this or that circumstance and can adapt their own plans accordingly but they just know it from experience and don't quite grasp the psychological mechanisms behind the behavior.

I kind of like the idea that many of them never get it and just chalk it up to "other races are stupid" and therefore they constantly make mistakes in novel situations because they will revert to projecting their own behavior onto other races.

Any good fanfics?