What is it about Archaon that makes him a cool villain whereas the 40K community doesn't seem to respect his...

What is it about Archaon that makes him a cool villain whereas the 40K community doesn't seem to respect his counterpart, Abaddon?

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He's not. He was a joke in WHFB getting his ass headbutted.

And I've seen entire AoS generals erupt in flames about Abbadon and his role in the setting.

Just not particularly popular so he doesn't have a whole lot of penetration in terms of memes etc.

Meant to write Archaon instead of Abaddon for that second line.

It's memes, mostly.

But the primary reason behind it, is that for a decade, Archaon's miniatures was this really badass realistic armored dude on a big horse, whereas Abaddon has always been this dumpy little weirdo with a giant phallic topknot.

This is what allows the memes to thrive: Abbadon just looks goofy.

Then there's the fact that the Eye of Terror campaign ended in such a lukewarm, inconsequential and disappointing way that everybody went "wow, Abbadon's not such a threat after all." which forever undermined his credibility as a villain.

As for the meme, it goes like this:
>Abbadon's end goal is to conquer the Imperium, and none of his Black Crusades achieved that. Therefore he must be incompetent
Which is based on the assumption that every Black Crusade was meant to conquer the Imperium in one blow.

This isn't necessarily something that the creators of the meme actually believed, but everyone had a good laugh, and people invested so much time and effort into making dumb jokes about Abaddon's supposed incompetence that everyone kind of decided to stick to that assumption as if it were canon, and to lash out against GW's attempts to make Abbadon more threatening, because that would go against the fan-lore they poured so much time and effort into. Memers took offense at GW's attempt to contradict their memes.

Kind of like buyer's remorse. Except for dumb jokes that cost you a lot of time.

To be fair, GW's attempts to retcon every black crusade as having achieved a very specific goal was kind of lame: it actually made them seem trivial and narrow in scale compared to how they're described elsewhere, so that didn't help.

So basically GW wrote Abaddon into a corner where nobody will take him seriously unless he annihilates the Imperium, but if he does, everybody will be pissed off because their memes will be contradicted.

>archaon
>cool
Reminder that this is the latest GW licensed image of archaon in the old world.

Both of them are hated by bandwagon memerrs but in reality they are both cool.

Archaon is cooler because Abaddon at the end of the day is a petty warlord using a flimsy justification to seat himself on the throne while Archaon desires no wealth, power, or glory for himself. He is an anti-hero who rages at the injustices and wickedness of Chaos even when is ensnared by its evil. His only goal is to end the abomination that is Chaos by destroying all of creation. When there is nothing to feed the Chaos Gods, then what will happen to them? When the last star is extinguished and Chaos is left in the cold dark alone to tear itself to oblivion. Archaon will finally find peace.

He is well written character for warhams that is.

And that's all the fucker deserve for his role in the end time

Let's not forget that most of the "retcons" were written by Aaron Dembski-Bowden who is infamous for trying super hard to humanize Chaos marines to the point where he comes off as a chuuni and a chaos fanboy who writes what amounts to licensed fanfiction (at least that's how the meme goes)
He had already lost some credibility by the point where he expanded the Black Legion lore, so people who already hated him jumped on that opportunity to berate him further by ridiculing what he had written about the Black Legion

I'm pretty fucking sure that's fanfiction you just wrote

or is it some nxtlvl epic trole shitposting?

Abaddon gets shit talked so hard by a Night Lord that he hauls off and shoots the guy.

Also the 'cool' thing about Archaon is that he's quite possibly the breaking point. Every Chaos incursion by previous warlords was a serious deal, and each one was beaten back, but barely. The last major story one required Elves to teach the Empire how to magic, Kislev, and the Dwarfs with the biggest Empire army mustered in order to defeat it. Unfortunately they very much so forced Archaon in AoS and he lost most of that.

>Aaron Dembski-Bowden

No, ADB was told he could write the Black Legion codex lore if he wanted to but he declined because he had to finish working on his novels. ADB is a novel writer. He doesn't write for GW design studio,

Please take your lies and stupidity elsewhere. Your post is embarrassing to everyone involved.

>Abaddon gets shit talked so hard by a Night Lord that he hauls off and shoots the guy.

Nope, Abaddon just realised that Talos won't get convinced so he shot him in order tp ush him into the daemon pit so that the four shards of the Chaos Gods would brainwash him.

If he wanted Talos dead, Talos would be a gorey mess before he even could blink.


This and the one above. Why do you hate reading the lore?

Picture related.

Well, Carnac's here to defend his waifu, pack it in till next thread.

He tried to destroy the world once and succeeded, Abaddon tried it 13 times and failed each time.

Veeky Forums-villain vs /co/-villain

>Abaddon tried it 13 times and failed each time.

Wrong. None of the 13 times were about destroying the galaxy. The 1st Black Crusade was just one single warband adventuring in hostile Imperium looking for a sword of legend. You are seriously retarded enough to think that one warband is capable of destroying the Imperium

>What is it about Archaon that makes him a cool villain

His original model.

His new model was voted by players as the best model of 2015.

1. His old model is fucking fantastic, one of the best sculpts GW has ever produced.

2. Prior to the shitty End Times and AoS fluff, Archaon was an intimidating, seemingly unstoppable, faceless monster in the same vein as Darth Vader.

3. Archaon hasn't tried his shit thirteen fucking times.

4. Archaon never got his arms ripped off by a Carnifex. It's hard to be intimidating without arms.

>And I've seen entire AoS generals erupt in flames about Abbadon and his role in the setting.

Because AoS fluff is drivel.

The same people who voted for the Riptide?

this
shitty novels plus GW trying to push Abaddon as a badass. It's just trying to hard. Honestly the best rendition of him was in Battlefleet Gothic, he actually was a threat, achieved his objective mostly and pulled off some crazy victories.

>Archaon was an intimidating, seemingly unstoppable, faceless monster in the same vein as Darth Vader.

No, he wasn't. He was viewed as joke. Eat a dick.

>Archaon hasn't tried his shit thirteen fucking times.

Yes, he did. He campaigned around the world looking for the treasures of Chaos as well as uniting the Chaos Gods. It's the same as Abaddon did.

>Archaon was an intimidating, seemingly unstoppable, faceless monster
That was the intent (and the model is quite great), but archaon was an abject failure until they took events out of the hands of the playerbase and wrote him being the most powerful thing ever and killing the universe because dad didn't love him enough

he wears a helmet

>Yes, he did. He campaigned around the world looking for the treasures of Chaos as well as uniting the Chaos Gods.

That's not really the same thing as trying to attack the Imperium thirteen times.

Oh look it's another "Carnac shits up another thread by Throwing out the same Chaosfag arguments and Cherry-picking Lore autism that have been countered a thousand times before in previous threads" episode.

This version of ol' armless isn't bad.

GW has been trying hard to make Abaddon seem threatening again since 6th edition.

>Chaos is now the main baddie 100%, xenos are always side issues
>Novel series shows him as a badass who won't bow to the Chaos Gods as Horus did
>Emperor prophecies that Abaddon will kill him one day
>Drach'nyen is a far more powerful daemon than was originally the case, basically the doom of humanity incarnate due to its symbolic representation of the emotional backlash from the first murder
>All the Black Crusades were building up to the 13th in 6th edition
>In 8th edition, all the black crusades had a secret objective to destroy pylons for the crimson path. Secret goal nobody but Abby and his inner circle knew. Thus even defeats were just as planned
>He finally destroys Cadia

Veeky Forums still lives in the old days of armless and his 13 failed attempts to get through the cadian gate tho.

Archaeon is a more interesting character who doesn't get memed anywhere near as much. He also doesn't have to get his character reworked or his achievements retconned every few years to try and fix his incompetence, making it look even worse.

Abaddon is your good old evil lord who wants to rule the galaxy.

Archaeon is using Chaos to try and destroy the world and kill the Chaos gods almost like that dumb ass alien council the Alpha Legion meet in the HH books.

Would look better with a helmet but yeah he looks cool

It's cool, but no Slaanesh triggers me.

Archaeon is a more interesting character who doesn't get memed anywhere near as much. He also doesn't have to get his character reworked or his achievements retconned every few years to try and fix his incompetence, making it look even worse.

Abaddon is your good old evil lord who wants to rule the galaxy.

Archaeon is using Chaos to try and destroy the world and kill the Chaos gods almost like that dumb ass alien council the Alpha Legion meet in the HH books. He's got a more interesting character and isn't just some stereotypical edgy evil guy.

>So basically GW wrote Abaddon into a corner where nobody will take him seriously unless he annihilates the Imperium, but if he does, everybody will be pissed off because their memes will be contradicted.
>because their memes will be contradicted.
yeah, that would be the main problem with the IoM being wiped out: our memes being contradicted

>Archaeon is a more interesting character
Was.

>original model

>He also doesn't have to get his character reworked or his achievements retconned every few years to try and fix his incompetence
Well I mean, they did do just that.

If anything archaon's whole transition from early WHFB/6e form to his eventual end times/AoS form was a trial run for what abaddon is going through right now.

>That's not really the same thing as trying to attack the Imperium thirteen times.

It is the same thing. Abaddon traveled around the galaxy attacking everyone in his way in order to collect favour, treasures, and unite Chaos. Archaon did the same as Abaddon did. He attacked the empire, Elves, Cathay, etc until he thought he was ready to launch his invasion.

Is.

He was a symbol of Slaanesh on his shield. There is no Slaanesh head because Slaanesh was kidnapped before shir could sent her champion to challenge Archaon.

just about every character in WHFB is better than 40k character counterparts.

Archaon > Abaddon
Teclis > Eldrad
Malekith > Vect
Settra > Sezarkh
Sigmar > Emperor

The only exception is Ghazghkull who's probably cooler than Grimgor

The setting was more nuanced and well-constructed too. Shame GW had to go and torpedo it all for fantasy 40k

I know the reason, it's just dumb not to give it a Slaanesh head. We all know why GW is trying to sidestep Slaanesh and it's because he's less child friendly

I thought Be'Lakor is Carnacs waifu

The essential problem is that word crusade comes with some huge fucking expectations attached. The crusades weren't "let's do this mission to make the bigger mission easier", they were "we taking the holy land/neighboring states NOW, DEUS VULT". So anything less than actually conquering large swaths of the imperium looks pathetic. But if GW were to let there be actually some interplay of contested ground whereby chaos take some ground and then the imperium purifies or takes it back for a while, then it makes the vaunted "inevitability" of chaos look silly. They've backed themselves into a corner where chaos never can have real defeats, but if they win, it's game over, so chaos just does nothing at all ultimately.


Veeeeeeeeeeeeeery sloooooowly.

>Archaon in AoS as Archaon the Forever Everchosen and Grand Marshal of the Apocalypse
>Malekith in AoS as Malerion God of Shadow
>Teclis is in AoS as Teclis God of Magic and knowledge
>Settra nobody cared about Settra before the End Times
>Sigmar is in AoS as Sigmar God King of Azyr and Warrior King of the Free Peoples

So you have nothing to complain about.

Emps was only recently ruined by >Black library

the rest of the list is correct

>The essential problem is that word crusade comes with some huge fucking expectations attached.

The Black Crusades is a term invented by the Imperium for Abaddon sorties/raids out of the Eye. The Black Legion didn't name what they were doing Crusades.

You seriously think that Imperium terminology is accurate? You think the Eldar and Tau name their tanks and equipment on extinct Terran lifeforms? Seriously, man.

Archaon got his own shit done.

Abaddon picked up the pieces Horus left behind.

Archaon is cooler because he is Horus.

> The Black Legion didn't name what they were doing Crusades.

Source

>You think the Eldar and Tau name their tanks and equipment on extinct Terran lifeforms

Double source to prove that they don't, nigger.

Somewhere, ADB just got really angry and he doesn't know why.

That looks like Total War.

>Archaon got his own shit done.

Archaon wouldn't have succeeded without Be'lakor's help.

>Abaddon picked up the pieces Horus left behind.

Horus left nothing but ashes and shame for Abaddon. Abaddon built himself from the zero up. Abaddon forced the hand of fate to choose him. Archaon was born with the brass spoon of ruinous destiny in his mouth.

>Archaon is cooler because he is Horus.

Actually, Archaon is cool because he is not special. He is just regular guy screwed by the game of gods and daemons.

>Source

"Black Legion".

>Double source to prove that they don't, nigger.

The Tau 3th and 4th ED ED codex. They are Imperial designation for Tau suits.

And please no racism.

>BL : As well as your Archaon novels, you're also known amongst Black Library readers for your Horus Heresy fiction. But who would win in a fight between Archaon and a primarch?

>RS : "Going to upset some folks either way on this one! I think it has to be Archaon. Think about it this way. All of the traitor primarchs were primarchs like their loyalist brothers before they turned to Chaos – and yet they still turned. They were the princes of the galaxy, the generals of colossal armies and the product of genetic engineering that bestowed upon them incredible gifts and abilities. Yet still about half of them turned to the Ruinous Powers. As the Everchosen of the Chaos gods, Archaon is ruin incarnate. He is chosen of all Chaos, not a single power like many of the favoured traitor primarchs"

>blacklibrary.com/new-at-bl/interview-with-author-of-archaon-lord-of-chaos.html

Archaon > Primarchs

>Archaon wouldn't have succeeded without Be'lakor's help.


So? He's the one who went out and said "Fuck this shit, I'm going Chaos."

>Horus left nothing but ashes and shame for Abaddon.

Bullshit. He left him fucking Chaos Space Marines.

>Archaon was born with the brass spoon of ruinous destiny in his mouth.

What shitty novel said this? Because that novel is complete shit.

>So? He's the one who went out and said "Fuck this shit, I'm going Chaos."

No, Be'lakor forced him drink the Chaos Koolaid.

>Bullshit. He left him fucking Chaos Space Marines.

No, he left him nothing. He had to earn those marines respect and loyalty.

What you said is as stupid as saying that Morkar left the Warriors of Chaos for Archaon.

>What shitty novel said this?

The novels and his original lore. Archaon was foretold to be the Lord of the End Times by Necrodomo writing (turned out it was Be'lakor who wrote the book).

Emperor was always a bit dull. He was a bland mary sue with a nonsensical background until the recent books where he became a asshole caveman Dr. Manhattan

ADB has actually said he respects Archaon more than Abby

>"Black Legion".

When you provide a source you usually give a quote or something to point out exactly what you are talking about.

>The Tau
youtube.com/watch?v=n4bY4EeS8G8

And the Eldar?

>Malekith > Vect

Bollocks. Malekith was a gormless nerd that did whatever his mom tells him to do. Vect is the Patrician, which is better.

>bland
>psychic gestalt of prehistoric human shamans created to lead humanity to domination

>mary sue
>literally fucks up a lot of shit, has clearly defined flaws, critics include his own creations

wut?

>Be'lakor

Didn't he get killed by falling rocks?

>ADB has actually said he respects Archaon more than Abby

Source?

>When you provide a source you usually give a quote or something to point out exactly what you are talking about.

I will make a Black Legion mega thread later. See you there.

>youtube.com/watch?v=n4bY4EeS8G8

Human translation of their language. For example the Tau do not call Tyranids "Tyranids. They call them Y'he. And they call Orks Be'gel. Each should be translated into Gothic as Ever Devouring and "barbarians incomparable with the Greater Good".

Malekith snark and sense of humour makes him superior. Vect is not funny.

>Be'lakor forced him drink the Chaos Koolaid
> Descending like a dark angel, Be'lakor knelt before Archaon, hatred and rage filling his soul. He would once again be on the sidelines in the next great Chaos War

So where is this bit about Be'lakor forcing shit?

> He had to earn those marines respect and loyalty.

The marines that were still there? The marines that fell to Chaos already? The marines that were only there in the first place because of what Horus did? Yeah, Abaddon had to work reaaaaaaaaal hard for that one.

Abaddon is the left overs of the Horus Heresy. Archaon is the guy who started his heresy.

>Archaon was foretold to be the Lord of the End Times by Necrodomo
> that North and South would meet in the Everchosen's blood

That could have been fuckin anybody who fucked a Norseman. You got a source saying that it specifically called for Diederick Kastner?

He looks angry at the Talon of Horus.

Do you think when Aby gets really mad about something, he starts shouting at his right hand and calling it Horus? Do you think he pantomimes Horus talking back to him when he's in private? Do you think Aby has entire arguments with his dads old gauntlet and that's how he works out all his plans? I do.

The leaders of factions form a representative for their faction. Fantasy Chaos Undivided have a lot of character on their own, being the unstoppable horde of barbarians coming to raid and destroy from distant lands, and that reflects in Archaon having a lot of character. Plus Fantasy Chaos is fairly united, so Archaon is the definite leader and consequently a bigger threat. Meanwhile the Black Legion have very little character to call their own, effectively every other legion and warband are more interesting, leaving the BL and Abbadon by extension feeling dull.

>I will make a Black Legion mega thread later. See you there.
>I can't find one quote of a Black Legion CSM saying "Why do they call our raids 'Black Crusades'?"

>Human translation of their language.

Ah, so they do call their shit Devilfish, Hammerhead, and Manta. They just call it that in their tongue. Glad we agree.

Also way to dodge the question about Eldar!

>So where is this bit about Be'lakor forcing shit?

The novels.

>The marines that were still there? The marines that fell to Chaos already? The marines that were only there in the first place because of what Horus did? Yeah, Abaddon had to work reaaaaaaaaal hard for that one.

Yes, he did because the marines didn't want to follow him and Abaddon the legacy of their fathers.

>Archaon is the guy who started his heresy.

No, he didn't. Archaon was proceeded by a long tradition of Everchosen that are supported by well established civilisations and culture who are in thrall of Chaos. Archaon came in and took over the Chaos establishment that was a thing for thousands of years.

>That could have been fuckin anybody who fucked a Norseman. You got a source saying that it specifically called for Diederick Kastner?

First chapter of Archaon Everchosen.

>He looks angry at the Talon of Horus.
I mean, at least in older fluff that was part of how he enforced his legitimacy over the fractured sons of horus.

Basically just trioculus and darth vader's glove, but much less entertaining.

>Ah, so they do call their shit Devilfish, Hammerhead, and Manta. They just call it that in their tongue. Glad we agree.

No, that's just their speak translated into English. It would be confusing for the players if their used their alien name for them.

As for Black Crusades.

"Let this archive chronicle the beginning of what the Imperium now calls the First Black Crusade. I will tell you of the roots of the war and the first bloody battle when at last we broke free of our warp-wrought prison, when an ancient knight-king fell into darkness and when my brother sought to claim the sword fated to end an empire".

"The truth, as ever, is in the grey that exists between the black and the white. We did not call it a crusade. To us, it was the opening campaign of the Long War, and even that suggests a level of organisation that could scarcely exist. There was no overall conflict to judge. It broke down into a hundred wars between individual fleets and warbands rampaging their way through the segmentum. Warlords from the Nine Legions sought their own glory; champions shed blood and raided slaves and offered sacrifices in the myriad names of the Pantheon they either willingly served or courted for favour".

Now you ruined my upcoming thread.

>!

So you are trolling?

Glad to know. Ignored then.

>The novels.
>No quote, no line, no page number, you just gotta trust me on this one bruh. I'm a person telling the truth on the internet.

>Yes, he did because the marines didn't want to follow him and Abaddon the legacy of their fathers.
>the marines didn't want to follow...the legacy of their fathers

wut

>Archaon was proceeded by a long tradition of Everchosen

Yeah, all of whom aren't important enough to be mentioned in the Warhammer Fantasy Rulebook. You know, like how Horus is a big deal even in 40k's rulebook?

>First chapter of Archaon Everchosen.

Give a liiiiiiiiine, homie. You got the source material. Bust it out and throw down a quote.

Preceded*
There were 12 Everchosen before Archaon.

It's a symbol of his office but it's stupid for anyone o think that the alone Talon would sway the traitor legions when it reminded everyone of Horus whom they all equally hate and shun.

>I HAVE HIS GLOVE! I AM YOUR CHAMPION, CHAOS GODS, BECAUSE I HAVE HIS GLOVE!
>.......Fuck it.

This is canon.

> that's just their speak translated into English

Yeah, that's what I said. So we agree that they call them Devilfish. They just say Pescado Diablo.

That's a fun little detail about the Black Crusade stuff. Personally I wish that the CSM had their own crazy religion angle w/ their naming but w/e.

And another reply that dodges the Eldar question. What's that, 0/3?

It's a good Talon, user. Be'Lakor wishes his sword was as good as that Talon.

>. Prior to the shitty End Times and AoS fluff, Archaon was an intimidating, seemingly unstoppable, faceless monster in the same vein as Darth Vader.

>He also doesn't have to get his character reworked or his achievements retconned every few years to try and fix his incompetence, making it look even worse.

Rhose of us who participated in the Storm of Chaos want to know why you people are LITERALLY lying.

Archaon of End Times got retconned HARD, and we who played it prior to 2006 knew Archaon as something to laugh, and laugh and laugh about.

Chapter 3. The last section of it when Kaster attempts suicide

>wut

They opposed Abaddon because they didn't want to follow a sonm of failure and abandon their fathers legacies for him. Abaddon had to force or charisma them to join.

>Give a liiiiiiiiine, homie. You got the source material. Bust it out and throw down a quote.

It's in the WHFB thread and I gave you exactly where it is. Download it and get to reading.

> Archaon as something to laugh, and laugh and laugh about.

How so?

>They opposed Abaddon because they didn't want to follow a sonm of failure and abandon their fathers legacies for him. Abaddon had to force or charisma them to join.

Oh, okay I get what you were trying to say. The sentence was very confusing.

Also you completely missed my point that there were Chaos Space Marines in the first place that he could get to follow him.

Chaos did embarrassingly badly in that campaign, which was hilarious considering how much they had hyped up archaon and the revamped hordes/warriors/daemons/beasts of chaos armies.

Chaos against the world never goes well, because the bulk of the players are not playing chaos armies.

>It's in the WHFB thread and I gave you exactly where it is. Download it and get to reading.
>Oh trust me, it's in there. Just get to diggin and you will find it! You know I'm tellin the truth, I'm on the internet!

Shoo, troll.

In the lore, Be'lakor's sword phases through solid material to slice at the meat hidden behind. The Talon doesn't. Therefore Be'lakor's Ebon Sword is cooler.

WHFB general is known to be a place of historical rewriting. He comes from there.

So GW fucked up their event. It's not like in the lore that Archaon is a punk like Abaddon.

>Shoo, troll.
>I can't back up the Eldar claims
>Imma call him a troll

Well I guess I'll count this as a victory. Way to be a quitter.

Didn't Vect once invited a slave to a meal and then he told him the entire story of te Fall of the Eldar? And afterwards he told his slave that the meal will give every not-eldar a deadly case of Diarrhea.

It may be toilet humor, but I found it funny.

>>Oh trust me, it's in there. Just get to diggin and you will find it! You know I'm tellin the truth, I'm on the internet!

The prologue chapters are like what 3 pages each? Stop being lazy.

>Also you completely missed my point that there were Chaos Space Marines in the first place that he could get to follow him.

They were CSM doing their own thing like how in fantasy Warriors of Chaos were doing their own thing. THey didn't follow Archaon and Abaddon just because they said "follow me".

>Chaos against the world never goes well, because the bulk of the players are not playing chaos armies.

Actually, Chaos did well in EoT. Would have done awesome if it wasn't for the bullshit Imperial biased rules of BFG.

Doesn't the thing he's riding kind of look like Desghidorah?

>*stifles laughter*
>No seriously, it's super short.
>*chuckles*
>Just get to readin, you know you can trust me.

Apparently you can't read it yourself and just type up the quote. So either you are a troll or lazy.

>They were CSM doing their own thing like how in fantasy Warriors of Chaos were doing their own thing.

And there are CSM in the first place because of Horus.

>It's not like in the lore that Archaon is a punk like Abaddon.

Actually, it was the lore for years that Archaon was beaten off and never seen again until GW changed it. So unlike Abaddon, Archaon was lorewise a punk in official non-meme lore.

> it was the lore for years that Archaon was beaten off and never seen again until GW changed it.

Source?

>Apparently you can't read it yourself and just type up the quote. So either you are a troll or lazy.

I don't want to copypasta a whole chapter.

>And there are CSM in the first place because of Horus.

And there are Warriors of Chaos around because of Morkar. Your point?

>It's not like in the lore that Archaon is a punk
He was, my dude. Got headbutted into irrelevance after failing to do anything of note at middenheim.

Which is why they had to start up the retcons in an obvious and desperate attempt to make him cool.

7th ED Empire Army book and the WHRPG. Both mention Archaon's defeat. 7th ED was built around SoC results until GW decided to abandon the whole thing mid to late 7th ed.

>I don't want to copypasta a whole chapter.

...a whole chapter? Is the thing one giant sentence or are you trying to sell me that its one big implication? Because to prove your point all you need to do is find the line that says " Diederick Kastner, you are going to be the next Archaon." If all you got is a lot of circumstantial evidence then just admit it.

>And there are Warriors of Chaos around because of Morkar

Does the Warhammer Fantasy rulebook go into the Morkar Heresy and talk about the actions of Morkar shaped the most prevalent faction in the whole setting?

>Be'lakor's sword phases through solid material to slice at the meat hidden behind.

The Talon of Horus slices threw Primarchs.

Once again, you talk about how GW fucked up with their lore event, but not how Archaon is a punk.

Everyone has bad days, man. Archaon isn't some Mary Sue that is immune to getting sucker-punched by fucking Grimgor Ironhide.

Archaon was seen as a joke before but after the retcon he got shit done and won. He also looks cool. Abaddon looks retarded with that topknot.

Why was he a joke before Storm of Chaos?

Post more cheetah pics

>In the lore, Be'lakor's sword phases through solid material to slice at the meat hidden behind.

So it wouldn't be any help against mineral projectiles. Yet more evidence that Be'Lakor was killed by falling rocks.

>‘Sieur Kastner – Diederick Kastner of the Gruber Marches,’ Riesenweiler announced. ‘By the order of the Hedrich Lutzenschlager – Grand Theogonist and Sigmar’s Will in this world – you are charged with perfidy, wanton bloodshed, bringing terror to this land, the breach of your holy faith, consort with heretics and the worship of outlawed gods.

>‘Outrageous!’ Dagobert said getting to his feet, but the knight standing over him put him back down with another haft-slug to the gut.

>‘Your crimes have been weighed and measured,’ Riesenweiler said, ‘and your punishment devised. That punishment is death, sir. I have taken the liberty of informing your chapter master and claiming your ancestral lands.’

>‘Kind of you,’ Kastner called, ‘but you are mistaken – as the God-King is my witness.’

>‘And yet Sigmar stands as witness against you,’ the preceptor replied, ‘speaking through my master of your renouncement of his following and your service to the Ruinous Powers.’

>‘I don’t suppose it matters that I have done none of those things.’

>‘You will,’ Riesenweiler told him coldly. Kastner’s lip curled into a snarl.

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>‘I will…’

>‘You will,’ Riesenweiler repeated. Kastner lowered Terminus and pointed the tip of the broad blade at the Knight of the Fiery Heart.

>‘Wanton bloodshed I might grant you, preceptor,’ Kastner growled.

>‘No,’ Dagobert bawled from the ground. ‘Diederick, don’t. This is madness – the servants of Sigmar set against one another.’

>‘Diederick Kastner is no servant of Sigmar,’ Riesenweiler seethed. ‘Brotherhood! Do your duty.’

>‘No,’ Dagobert roared. ‘Desist in this insanity. We demand audience with the Grand Theogonist. We demand to hear this from him. We demand to hear his reasons.’

>But the preceptor had done with the priest. He had heard the order from Lutzenschlager’s own lips.

>‘The man Diederick Kastner must die…’

>Original model
Newfags please go

>Glad to know. Ignored then.

Oh shit son, got real.

Wrong. He can control its where and how it phases. That's just one application for it.

The Church of Sigmar has known Diederick Kastner was the man destined to become Archaon. From the very text that they kept hidden until Be'lakor used an agent to get them out.

>Does the Warhammer Fantasy rulebook go into the Morkar Heresy and talk about the actions of Morkar shaped the most prevalent faction in the whole setting?

Of course. Morkar the First Everchosen the man that began the Everchosen tradition the Norse opposition with starting wars with the South.