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>What commander makes you groan when you see it? none, I enjoy playing against really tuned decks even if mine are not. I regularly play against zergo mld, zur enchants and combo decks i would prefer to play against johnny decks though
Justin Hill
People who play something like Westvale Abbey when there's a Strip mine on the board and than tilt into another plane of existence when it gets destroyed by said Strip mine.
>Thread question >What commander makes you groan when you see it? How do you deal with it?
Atraxa and pic related.
Samuel Murphy
Meet my wife. She's a bit controlling, and a bit of a biter and her dick's bigger than mine. She get's really fat if no one does anything about it, too.
Kayden Nguyen
Prossh commander
anything i should add / remove / change ?
Jace Walker
This is a reminder to all aspiring Gishark players. Buy suspected dinosaurs now. It's better to waste $1 or $2 buying something that may not actually end up getting errata'd than to have to spend $10 once the "investors" get to it.
Leo Thompson
>What commander makes you groan when you see it? How do you deal with it?
Oloro, because Oloro decks love to grind the game to a halt to increase the value they gain off his FREE life.
Chaos/group hug. Because I sat down to play magic, not "whoever sits to the left of the group hug player wins" and I definitely didn't come to play a coinflip simulator.
Lucas Gomez
>now, isn't that better? ;^)
Connor Gomez
>This will never be an official promo art
Why is it that Olivia always looks best outside her own cards?
Logan Long
Just ordered a deathmist raptor for 2€, this buyout craze is annoying.
Julian Collins
How many tutors do you have to run before you can play coffers+urborg in a 3+ color deck?
Daniel Stewart
>Thread question Narset, I focus her. Teeg, I remove him. Brago, I don't let him attack. Karador, I don't spread my cards too wide so they are easier to pick up and clear my throat to REEE in reeeesponse to Saffi-Renegade Rallier infinite.
Isaac Clark
Green
Luis Perry
All of them, or at least have someone else at your table running Urborg, too. I've run a lot of shitty lands but a dead Coffers is by far the most painful.
Chase Myers
So what's the ultimate feminine benis Commander? Alesha or Olivia?
Luis Ortiz
It's probably less than $10 right now to buy all the ones that could end up being a problem, so it'll probably be worth it in the long run to bite the bullet. Maybe Aetherwind Basker or Brooding Saurian don't end up being Dinosaurs and you wasted $1. Maybe they do and they're $15 each.
Gavin Richardson
Can anyone give me defensive card recommendations for Locust God that AREN'T Silent Arbiter/Crawlspace? Playtesting has shown that I need some defense for situations like shit draws or not getting mana rocks fast enough.
Daniel Edwards
you need to cut the chaff and add ramp
Brandon Kelly
Alesha can have Olivia inside her.
David James
>deathmist raptor >buyout for what purpose?
Matthew Harris
Demoralize them.
Nicholas Campbell
>her
Aiden Walker
Olivia. Alesha isn't a feminine in the least. Alesha is man that wizards PR said is trans to get homos to buy cardboard. Alesha has no feminine traits in his personality or body, and since they never mention fucking, we can assume that he still fucks girls too.
Brandon Mitchell
Because it's practically guaranteed to be a Dinosaur once the Ixalan CR Update is put into effect. Gishark will get a bunch of people wanting to play Dinosaurs, so the price will naturally rise. With a little assistance, it could unnaturally rise a whole, whole lot more.
Eli Morales
Ensnaring Bridge, you only want to attack with 1/1s and you will draw a bunch before attacking so it has no effect on you.
Cameron Wilson
Why 33 lands?
Jack Bailey
Deathmist Raptor is too new to really go high but I bet Brooding Saurian becomes at least 5$ and maybe 10$. Coldsnap is not a very common set at all.
Sebastian Collins
ill put a foil Razaketh, The Foulblooded on it remaining a lizard
Gabriel Hall
>demoralize them
How do you do that in MTG?
Jace Carter
whats wrong with having 33 lands? thats extreamly common if he bothered to include more than 2 ramp cards
The joke is that Propaganda's flavor is demoralizing your opponent's creatures so they have to be motivated more to attack.
Carter Garcia
>All of them
user that isn't a number. Right now I have 5 tutors for it. (Vampiric, demonic, Sidisi, Diabolic intent, tolaria west) and over a dozen draw spells. I could add 3 more tutors for the land, but my list is really tight right now and I'm not sure how much I need it (especially because I'm not running any way to recur lands in grixis)
Parker Reed
Can't go wrong with demonic tutor.
Brayden Collins
Scratch that, I can't read today.
Jace Hernandez
Deathmist is a Mythic and it's around $2 right now. I could definitely see it getting upjumped to $5-$7. Another recent Mythic, Aetherwind Basker, is one that doesn't have the greatest chance of being errata'd but would be one of the better dinosaurs if it is.
They're both very cheap right now, I'd get them if you have any interest in Dinosaurs as a tribe just to be safe.
Adam Barnes
5 seems good. I have four tutor type cards in my deck and it does pretty good
>Aetherwind Basker but thats actually just a lizard
Gabriel Myers
How Swampy is your mana base right now? How badly would running one tapped land be?
If the risk factor for Coffers is negligible, or its ability to perform without Urborg is high enough, just don't even worry about having to search it up.
Ayden Butler
>if he bothered to include more than 2 ramp cards There's arguably 10 - 13 ramp cards.
Hermit Druid Cultivate Sol Ring Krosan Restorer Treasonous Ogre Nature’s Spiral Treasured Find From Beyond Ashnod’s Altar Harrow Grisly Salvage Xenagos, the Reveler
Adam Turner
>Buy suspected dinosaurs now
Who the fuck would even want to do a speculative buyout on suspected Dinosaurs? Previously unusable creatures getting some new tribal synergy is not going to make them a sought after item. For that to pay off, they'd have to not only errata the cards to be dinosaurs, but also to print some absolutely bonkers tribal support card for them that we haven't seen yet and which they're very unlikely to print because a card that's strong enough would break Standard.
Wyatt Watson
I know, but the risk/reward factor here favors reward pretty highly. Sink $1 into buying an Aetherwind Basker and you haven't really lost anything. The risk that it doesn't get errata'd is very high, yes, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. It's possible they'll favor anything that could "reasonably" pass as a dinosaur in order to flesh out the creature type a bit.
James Morales
Neither of those cards are good, and it would be better to just run non-dinosaurs then to ever consider them.
And basker is from a standard legal set, its price really can't be manipulated for longer than a week. Price will crash hard and investors will lose money
Grayson Young
If you're gonna run a meme like dinosaur EDH you won't have much choice anyways.
Not many, I have a single swamp + fetches, shocks, and ABUR duals. I would be lucky to break even with it without urborg.
Eli Jenkins
You can run gishark and have good non dinosaurs in the deck like birds of paradise or avenger of zendikar.
Don't be silly.
Christian Carter
>Previously unusable creatures getting some new tribal synergy is not going to make them a sought after item.
You'd think that, but you saw some of the price spikes with Wizards, didn't you?
Nicholas Reyes
If I'm running Path of Ancestry should I run Man lands over Scry lands?
Aaron Young
...
Mason Walker
Depends on if man lands are part of your strategy. If you don't have any use for them, a free scry is naturally better.
Jaxon Richardson
I like it. It's a Planeswalker with a specific goal and theme that doesn't just outright win with its ult. I like that it's more than just "+? card advantage, -? kill something/protection, -? win the game".
Oliver Bell
Gishath's ability really wants you to be playing a high density of Dinosaurs. Side note: I hadn't realized we'd gotten its name wrong.
Joseph Perez
That doesn't look like the art from the spoiler sheet, and it's fairly week. I'm guessing this will be the Planeswalker pack version?
Elijah Parker
If I had to choose between one or the other, should I go with Mox Opal or Mana Crypt? Crypt is more expensive but it goes plus more on mana (and it has a lesser drawback), but Opal is also really useful for color fixing and isn't hard to turn on.
Josiah Harris
Yes. Planeswalker Pack Jace too, which officially puts him ahead of Nissa and Chandra as being the Planeswalker with the most versions printed.
Dominic Nelson
fake and garbage, all at the same time
Lincoln Russell
Not gatewatch planeswalker deck walkers! They listened.
Sebastian Rogers
It's a intro deck planeswalker, being overcosted jank is par the course.
Owen Carter
These didn't need to be a thing.
Gabriel Mitchell
staples for this man?
Benjamin Ramirez
Wow. This is by far the worst walker I've ever seen. Even for a Planeswalker Deck walker.
Nathaniel Flores
Annoying shit like Null Rod and Rest In Peace? I mean, they'll hate you anyway, may as well make them hate you more.
He's not a build around me General. Just put in good stuff. You don't need spice.
Matthew Wright
Tibalt exists.
Justin Carter
Not a buyout, we're just talking about what to get for our on personal dino decks.
Lincoln Gomez
white sun's zen as the sole wincon
Parker Ward
I wish we'd gotten a Vraska instead of Jace, even though she'd be garbage too.
Matthew Cooper
>planeswalker decks
Daniel Parker
Yeah, almost certain to be the planeswalker deck version due to how weak it is.
Brody Cox
Fractured Identity
James Martin
I'm honestly not sure. You could at least run Tibby in a heavy Madness+Flashback setting and get a Sudden Impact off of him.
This, though. Man, 6 mana draw a card?
Yeah, that would've been cool. Probs next set.
Adam Moore
Tibalt and the previous PW deck Lili are both shittier. Though not by much.
The thing that annoys me about PW deck walkers is that despite how weak they are, the fact that they're only found in PW decks and PW decks contain no relevant cards outside them means they never actually fall under the $5 range. So I can't out them in my $2 cube.
Come on Wizards, you should know by now to cater to me specifically. Me, your only customer.
Jaxson Brooks
It is definitely the precon deck. You can tell by the number 285/279.
Planeswalker deck cards always have numbers above the total number.
Chase Harris
Pillowfort with rest in peace + helm of obedience win con.
Colton Price
Well, the buyout concerns were really more about much older cards with limited or single printings. Brooding Saurian or Magmasaur, for instance.
Kevin Young
Tibbles costs 2, not 6, and while his CA/filtering is super dubious it's also in red which scrounges for every scrap it can get. His ult is also (slightly) more game-ending. He's bad, but he's not "This Jace" bad.
Elijah Morales
No, 6 mana all your creatures have vigilance.
Ayden Bell
>twiddles as a plus Jeskai ascenancy time?
Bentley Scott
shit
Liam Wood
Yeah. I guess.
You get packs. I get what you mean though. Cube sounds fun. Honestly, I do like the idea of planeswalker decks because I'm tired of going through all the card types to someone new to the game and literally not having an example of one of them on hand.
Jackson Fisher
There's probably a universe that got a Tibalt with "+1: Discard a card. If you do, draw a card" and he's seen as the hero mono-red deserves.
Matthew Nelson
Smokestack Sphere of Resistance Tangle Wire Frozen Aether/Kismet All the good mana rocks Static Orb Winter Orb Propaganda/Ghostly Prison & Related Effects Cheap, tax-based counterspells (Overrule is OK, Mana Leak, etc.) Hard Counters. Arcane Lab Armageddon, Catastrophe, and other MLD Stasis?
Charles Lopez
still can't be used as a commander
good job wizards
Juan Russell
>People are adding this to Marath decks
For what purpose? The new axe is more Marath than this is.
Easton Moore
With two new sets of tribal-matters cards and C17, will we see a merfolk buy out too?
Adam Harris
Just use intruder alarm
Kayden Campbell
I like the idea that he's gambling. I wish Wizards had gone crazy with him. +1: Discard a card at random. Draw cards equal to that card's converted mana cost.
Gavin Parker
Not as much, because the good Merfolk are already expensive thanks to Modern/Legacy. What's likely is that there will be a Collected Company build of Merfolk using some of the new Green and/or U/G Merfolk.
Anthony Johnson
i cannot fucking wait to put together a new merfolk deck
Adrian Mitchell
Marath is the most sensible commander for Beast Tribal.
Blake Rodriguez
>coco merfolk
holy fuck kill me now
Dylan Hughes
its funny because merfolk are not even good in modern or legacy and still wont be with these new additions, elves are objectively better in like every way
Alexander Ortiz
Almost time to sell my playset of CoCo I've been holding onto I guess. I'm going to finally get that Mana Crypt or Mox Opal I guess.
Leo Ward
I would also use Crop Rotation and that new sorcery, but if you're in Grixis, there's Gamble and some worse tutors. If you don't mind revealing the card, Beseech the Queen is somewhat playable or if you have money, there's always Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor
Landon Flores
So, im a newish player i dont really know what cards to cut in my arcane wizardry deck, i cut a few already that i thought didn't fit my theme that well and put in some things. Any recommendations or should i put what i've got on tappedout and what i kind of want to put it so you could help me?
Oliver Hernandez
Just run expidition map. Easy enough to recurr
Zachary Rogers
>Marath >Not Gahiji
Maybe in Tiny Wieners Marath is Best Beast, but not so much in big boy EDH.
Blake Russell
Merfolk has been a competitive to semi-fringe Legacy deck for a long time so I don't predict a big difference. And I can't think of any significant reserved list merfolk. Empress Galina is a merfolk too so maybe she spikes again even harder.
Cooper Flores
I love Gahiji and him being an overrun for a general is pretty sick, but Marath can be cast and used up for multiple Aether Charge triggers in a turn.
