/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness General

How do the call of the Watchtowers cross the Abyss?

They're really stretchy

Magic.

>How do the call of the Watchtowers cross the Abyss?

An awakening is an act of Imperial magic.

Archmasters are also technically capable of the feat, but it tends to create banishers.

Just get Fate and destine it to secrecy. Not as airtight as a multi-Arcanum solution but definitely the cheapest. An Acanthus can easily throw in Time for Shield of Chronos, which will hinder Postcognition, the most basic and powerful method of mage investigation.

Set up your "home" in a hard to reach place, like the Shadow. That'll thwart most curious types. In the case of the Shadow, all you'd need to add is spirit guards and protection from divination and you'd have the complete package.

Space, Ward it and use Secret Door, and you'll be safe from other Mages physically coming to your place and trying to scry it.

>Sauce?

For the webm?

It's a trailer made for Magicka 2.

>youtube.com/watch?v=cDj6bjvDiY0

Honestly, the Magicka devs make pretty entertaining trailers all around.

>youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc

...Also, that second trailer is pretty accurate for how my mage games tend to go: Everybody ends up trying to betray, decieve and/or kill each other.

Are you that imbecile that designed that vampire elder that had to use a loophole to get mage magic in order to try to fight Masters?

Are you talking about the guy forever ago who made a Discipline that mimicked magic in Ascension so that Caine could use the Archspheres, or something else?

...

I recall someone has converted most of the 1e Mage legacies to 2e.

Does anyone have the link with the doc?

Yes.
In future, just use 4plebs
archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/filename/Legacies/

Anybody ever read So You Want to be a Wizard? Features the Devil ruling over a dead ringer for the Shadow — predatory animism ahoy.

Thank you.

The Oracles are equal in power to the Exarchs, who created the Abyss.

I always assumed then to be stronger. Each of the ten Exarchs represent a single Arcanum, while the five Oracles each represent two.

Does anyone have the screencap or link where Dave states that mages can live to about 125 before the liche problems start?

We don't know the actual number of Exarchs. There could be thousands.

There are thousands. Only ten of them are above the rest. Four of them being above the other six.

Don't forget about the Gate.

>I spoke her name, now we are all doomed...

There are a great number of 'lesser' Exarchs. Only ten are 'greater', AKA the Iron Seals. Four of those are the Archigenitors, currently The Unity, The General, The Father & The Eye.

>Below the Archigenitors and the Iron Seals that represent the Arcana, the Seers of the Throne populate choruses and legions of lesser Exarchs. They speak of 8 million recorded gods, seven legions of Arch-Ascended under every Seal, ruling 77 ochemata and 777 secret masters of the world, and even universes within each Exarch’s soul, huge enough to spawn infinite avatars.

The Exarchs are just lazy, right? How do they not dominate every other gameline with that much power?

That's a topic of much discussion within the Seers and the Pentacle.

I believe it has been implied by DaveB that the Abyss is the problem. Because as he mentioned before, if you want to save the world, you need to deal with the Abyss, and the Exarchs at the same time.

Only deal with the Exarchs? Abyss eats existence, as they can no longer stop it.
Only deal with the Abyss? Exarchs (assumedly) take full control over Fallen reality, no longer having to worry about any Abyssal side effects of such direct control.

They do. Bleak oppression is the standard for CofD.

The Exarchs simply don't micromanage when humans are so oppressive without any assistance.

They do. They have made the situation where every gameline has that inherent darkness. The God-Machine is the greatest TV for their broadcast signal, the infighting of vampires please their desire to see people unable to look beyond themselves and be more, werewolves killed their own father figure, so on and so forth.

They just don't show up and fuck around in them, since most of those splats aren't about to do anything about their direct agents save maybe vampires fucking up by going for the wrong temporal power base they want to subvert.

This is just Seer hype, I wouldn't take it too seriously.

The Oracles are equal in power to the Exarchs because they ARE Exarchs. There's no inherent distinction, they're all just Ascended Mages to my knowledge. And again, to the extent of my knowledge they didn't intentionally create the Abyss. The Gate just bargained with it to create the Lie.

Oracles operate Watchtowers, Exarchs do not. Every Awakening is courtesy of the Oracles and none are from the Exarchs. Even Seer Awakenings, they have taken the gift of the Oracles into the enemy camp. If there were no Oracles, would there be mages in the Fallen World at all?

I think it's wrong to assume that the Oracles are 'good' compared to the Exarchs. They probably made the Watchtowers out of some lofty goal we know nothing about.

They could be working with the Exarchs for all we know.

I don't assume that, and you're right, if Oracles and Exarchs alike need mages in the Fallen World, they could be working together. But we do know that, whatever their motives or goals, one group of Ascended uses Watchtowers to cause Awakenings and another group of Ascended does not.

It's important to note, at this point, that no Archmaster has ever found any evidence of the existence of the Oracles, and the Ascended aren't exactly forthcoming with information.

All that remains of them, is their Watchtowers.

No other symbols exist to indicate their existence, their nature, their intent, in the Supernal.

Any claims as to their intent in establishing the Watchtowers, or their allegiance, is wishful thinking.

The Watchtowers, like Path yantras and other matters, also haven't always been the same.

See Sundered World and To the Strongest.

Yeah, but a lot of that can be either attributed to the Supernal either reflecting at any given time only those symbols which exist in the Fallen World, or the limited perceptions of the Awakened only being capable of interpreting such symbols as exist at their time of reference.

The only beings who would conclusively be able to tell would be modern Archmasters who travel back to the Sundered World through an Iris, and then travel to the Supernal at that point on the timeline.

Also it's well established that many Ascending Mages manage to staple more symbols to the Watchtowers as a part of their Ascension.
Merlin, case in point. He's why you can go full Arthurian as an Acanthus.

We do know that Watchtowers are connected to Awakenings.

...

>We do know that Watchtowers are connected to Awakenings.

Maybe, but what if that's what the Gate wants you to think...

>What lurks in the dark side of the internet in the World of Darkness?
Like tor, but instead of drugs and child pornography it's just various splats shitposting on WoD Veeky Forums through a pile of anonymity, the entire thing maintained by Luna and Helios who post disgusting couples pornography to ensure that it gets the widest audience when 'leaked' to people who'll 'appreciate' them.

Maximum Gatefu theory: not only is the Gate the great safe regulator of the cosmically necessary Abyss, she's also the only one capable of bringing an Awakening experience safely past the Abyss to the Supernal. Forced Awakenings fail because they don't have her help, creating Abyss-tainted mages.

Watchtowers cause Awakenings.

We know nothing more about the Oracles, than that they created the Watchtowers.
That is, unless we want to assume that the Watchtowers always existed.
Which is rather unlikely, given Archmages move beyond them.

CofD internet is nothing but vampire and furry porn, and Network Zero comments about vampire and furry porn.

If the Watchtowers exist in the Supernal, then they always existed. That's the whole point of the Supernal. Just ask any archmage.

On this timeline, sure.

It's more than just timeline shenanigans, user

And gateposting. From the Gate herself. Unlike those of Luna and Helios, nobody wants her nudes.

probably because they'd drive you insane

Look to 2e core.
String theory wasn't always a part of the Supernal.
Then along came Xeras, who ascended, and took it with him.

The Gate definitely has Crazy Eyes!

That's kind of redundant

How so? The Supernal isn't fixed.
Just because a symbol exists there doesn't mean it's always existed.

I'm more referring to the timeline part of this ordeal.

From the perspective of the Fallen it has always existed. That's kind of the point. Whether the 'symbol' always existed is another thing entirely.

Too bad she created the Lie.

The whole 'timeline' element is kinda flexible depending on what kind of ascension happened.

Xeras went quietly. His change really only rippled forwards.

Hyperion took an entire religion with him, leaving Christianity to take up the slack of that religion's impact on world history, such that it never existed.

Fuckin' Alienated.

String Theory was/is horseshit, though. Does that mean that as soon as people finish poking holes in it we're going to watch him surf a cosmic board down out of the supernal as one of the alienated?

Sounds like a bastard

Discover of Uranus didn't do Aion any harm.

So am I reading the demesne rules right when I interpret them as "Go berserk with reach, there's no paradox under any circumstances without sleepers"?

Will Dave be working on Dark Eras: Britain?

He's come out and said no. But THIS motherfucker, on the other hand..

B-b-b-but Dave is a Brit. How could he not. WHY.

>Will Dave be working on Dark Eras: Britain?

Dave isn't even developing the Mage / Deviant crossover despite being the friggin' developer for both Mage and Deviant, and Deviant not yet started first drafts.

Dave has betrayed you. Feel Brucatto and his Magick. Around you. In front of you. Inside you. Let Brucatto into your heart and orifices.

>How could he not.

It is punishment for our sins.

The Komodo Lord is a cruel and fickle god.

Brucato is working on Awakening...?

Dave is a false prophet and laughs at your lamentations.

If his power and enlightenment were true, we would have already received the Wisdom of the Mage FAQ.

So long as your spell doesn't leave the bounds of the Demesne when it's cast? Sure.

Well they stopped paying Dave, so they had to go for discount renfaire material

I bet he's laughing at us right now

>Brucato is working on Awakening...?

NO, and even by /wodg/ standards, it's still not remotely funny.

Oh yes. Dark Eras Britain. It's going to be *marvelous*. I cannot wait to see it.

They stopped paying everyone

Would you pay anyone who worked on Beast?

I'd give them a dollar out of pity, yes.

I heard Dave is "transitioning" out of writing for OPP.

The rumor is that he has some fabulous ideas for Shadowrun.

That's not funny.

>dave taking over Shadowrun writing
That'd be neat though the lack of an editor is the real problem with 5e. Or a good one if they have one. Maybe its like OPP's poor layout bastard who is the one man doing a three person job?

Don't you read his wordpress blog, user? You have to go back a ways to find it, but he'll talk about working on a 'secret' for 'something new' out in 'the dark'. You know, typical Brucatto horseshit.

FATHERS.
THRUSTING.
COCK.

The real problem is they won't fucking pay anyone who wants to write anything decent. They got rid of their good writers and the terrible twins Pat and Ratkovich drive away anyone who writes badwrongfun on their watch.

Satyrdouch developing and writing for Awakening.

What's the worst that could happen...?

Oh god. I thought you were about to make a transgender joke. Hence "transitioning"

I'm honestly surprised it's not mandatory to become an OPP writer.

>deletes archmages
>spells are now impossible to cast
>food sidebars take up a quarter of the core
>barely any detail on how to do anything
>"don't try this at home kids"

Maybe that's why he's leaving. If you don't genderbend inside a minimum time period, Rich Thomas breaks into your house, cuts your cock off and fucks you with it.

What I said "transitioning," I was using corp-speak to mean yelling at Richt demanding his damn paycheck.

>Seers, Tremere and Scelesti are no longer playable because you might turn evil

He's awful. Just awful.

He probably has an 'office' that's just a bench outside a local preschool. Wears nothing but a trenchcoat and sits there, writing away on a notepad that sits inside a gutted laptop case covered in alchemical symbols.

I would suffer a hundred Beasts rather than ever letting Phil anywhere near Awakening.

I kind of feel like 5e has a weird mix of absolute shit tier books and actually decent and fun ones. I get a ton of use out of Run and Gun, Hard Targets, Chrome Flesh, Rigger 5, and Run Faster (though RF is kind of bad, it has a lot of useful gubbins on it) but everything else is kind of bad AND not useful to me or just plain bad. And there's no predicting this shit, since it seems almost random which books will blow vs. be fine.

Data Trails was hot garbage with only some interesting fluff details, but most of the fluff and all the mechanics were a mess.

I really did like how they described how different the matrix was grid to grid and have been heavily making use of that in my games though

... while munching on locally-sourced, organic kale that he bought with the money donated on his Patreon to pay his rent.