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Avatar of a generic cosmic evil

Vulnerabilities: gains the weaknesses of anything it shapeshifts into, damage to the avatar damages the real thing, weaker in mental battles than half a dozen traumatized kids

itt: mediocre movies that you really liked

>weaker in mental battles than half a dozen traumatized kids
feat. 2 gods

You won this thread /tv but you haven't won the board

don't tell me this is from the actual movie

It is and it's fucking great. The movie was overall rather good but it wasn't the best, but this scene was a definite high point. The crew definitely knew exactly how people were going to react to it.

It is, but it was pretty unnerving in context.

So better than what people were expecting but not great

Yep, pretty much. I'd say it's closer to the spirit of the book than the miniseries, and the interactions between the children are incredible, but you can tell WB fucked up a lot of stuff in post (removing some essential scenes, edits to make scenes that obviously aren't supposed to be jumpscares become jumpscares, lots of loud electronic music drowning out scares that would be better with the movie's normal orchestral score) and Skarsgard doesn't have the charisma of Curry, though he is scarier. It's not a highlight of cinema but it's pretty good for The Goonies but with a sadistic clown in it.

I liked the movie. As the other user said, kids scenes were the best. I was bored in the last 1/4 when scares were getting repetitive, but overall I didn't regret spending money on it, which is one of the highest praises you can get for WB and other big studio movies.

Also, there's no teenage gangbang.

I've not read the book so I don't know how the Pennywise was actually written, but this new version didn't seem quite as "realistic" as Tim Curries.
Tim Curries pennywise lures Georgie in with his happy demeanour, promises of candid and balloons and says that it's proper flash down in the sewers before he turns, grabs him and fucks his shit up, in the same way that I imagine a child molester lures in his victims.
The new pennywise looked like a fucking creepy rapist from the get-go and did nothing to try and gain Georgie's trust, which didn't seem quite as effective to me.

Fucking autocorrect I swear to god

Skarsgard's Pennywise

Pennywise The Clown
Medium Aberration (outsider)
Hp: 144 (16d8+16)
Outsider traits, Aberration traits
Str: 25 Dex: 20 Con: 12 Int:16 Wis: 10 Cha: 14

Feats: Weapon Focus(Natural), Greater weapon focus (natural), Improved Dirty trick, Greater Dirty Trick, Spell Penetration, Spell Focus (illusion), Improved Frightful Presence (DC 17)
Attacks: As current form, plus fear aura.
Languages: Common, plus 100ft Telepathy.

Fear Aura: Any person within 100 feet of Pennywise is palpably perturbed. No-one within the aura may Take 10 or 20 on any check, and anyone affected by the aura has their surface thoughts and fears skimmed by Pennywise.

Perfect Shapeshifting: Pennywise can take the form of anything imaginable. This is in no way limited by creature type, size, or otherwise. Pennywise simply -is-. This ability is only useful combined with the fear aura.

We all Float Down Here: Pennywise, upon making a successful grapple on an opponent affected by his fear aura may make a choice. He may either bite his opponent, and suck out their life force (if uninterrupted, this is lethal.) Or he may show them 'The Lights'. The lights immediately inflicts 40 points of Int/Wis/and Cha damage, (will DC 22 negates) and sets the grappled person floating away as if by Hostile Levitation.

For every 'floater' Pennywise has, he gains fast healing 1.

In the book even the narration states Georgie is already afraid just talking to the Clown, and they tried to convey this in the miniseries as well (If you pay attention to the scene you can see him becoming very uncomfortable).

Georgie taking the boat back from Pennywise wasn't because Pennywise was alluring, it was because he loved his brother. In the end, IT preying on this bond is what lead to ITs own downfall.

SPAAAAAAAAAAACE

Ah-ha, I see. I just liked the contrast between the happy clown and the murder-rapist, the new one just looks like a nasty bastard 24/7.
is it worth reading the book?

>Georgie taking the boat back from Pennywise wasn't because Pennywise was alluring, it was because he loved his brother. In the end, IT preying on this bond is what lead to ITs own downfall.
I really love how they emphasized this in the movie, both with Georgie screaming his brother's name when he's dragged down through the drain, and when near the end IT takes the form of Georgie and tries to appeal to Bill only for Bill to instantly recognize that he's IT in disguise because he called the boat "it" instead of "she," which Bill told Georgie captains always call their ships instead of treating them like objects - somethign George wouldn't forget.

The book is amazing, yes.

Also At one point in the book, as like.. 12-14 year old kids, they all gangbang Beverly.

Yes, absolutely. There are a few weird scenes, including one you've probably heard about, but overall it';s still one of King's greatest classics.

And yeah, I did miss that change in the adaptation, but it fits the character of IT, especially since in this film they were trying to emphasize it was more a horrific monster wearing a clown's skin than a clown that happens to be evil. If you pay attention, you can hear the original Pennywise, Bob gray, screaming in pain and agony, calling out for help, in the scene where IT reveals its deadlights.

>not posting owlbear stats

Original wasn't Tim Curry?

No, in universe. It's implied that before IT took the Clown as its favorite form, there legitimately was a Pennywise running around 1800s Derry, named Bob gray, and that IT most likely killed him and then took his form as ITs favorite.

It was a dumb movie but the boxing scenes had me hype.

To be fair, when you're friends with a girl at that age this sort of thing happens.

The murderous clown thing, I mean.

They don't gangbang her, they take turns fucking her. An important distinction.

It wasn't a gangbang it was a train.

It's also not really that pornographic, and is written in a rather weird way. It's because SK saw it as a bonding moment and a symbolic transition into adulthood, and he didn't want it to be a lewd scene. Why he thought underage sex was the perfect transition to adulthood thing, I don't know.

Omnipotent celestial evil who does shit for lulz.

What was his tax policy?

what "level" of warp entity would penny wise be considered if the inquisition learned about it

>Why he thought underage sex was the perfect transition to adulthood thing, I don't know.
Because it's an unsettling version of an activity we're all familiar with. Gotta keep tone.

Manifestation would probably be intermediate (movies version) or greater (book version).

True form I honestly have no idea how they'd classify it/ It'd be a revelation almost as grand and horrifying as the Tyranid Hive Mind, given ITs true form is bigger than the entire universe.

Reread the book. Maturin only gave them advice and help from the white/Purpose doesn't feature except as a hypothesis.

>Skarsgard doesn't have the charisma of Curry
Id have to disagree on that. When skars wasnt being the CGIs stunt double he did some pretty good stuff, namely that fridge scene tormenting eddie

Yeah, that was great. Dance and waving with the kid's arm was fantastic as well. I guess it's a bit unfair since the funniest Pennywise moments were in the adult section of the story and it has yet to be adapted. We'll have to see if some of the legendary moments are kept.

Obsession: Fear

Body: 50
Oozing through sewers: 15, Fighting 20, Torture 30, Shapeshifting 15
Speed: 40
Hiding 35, Evasion 15
Mind: 50
Attention 15, Earthling psychology 15.
Soul: 75
Soul devouring 30 (*), Mind control 20, Lies 10, Charm 10

Shapeshifting: can turn into anything, but prefers the shape of a clown, sometimes - a wolf, a gigantic spider, or an ooze.
Soul devouring: deals 1d10 damage lowering Soul stat instead of Health. Feels like an ice dagger thrusting through the heart.
Mind control: hypnotizes its victims.

Oh, forgot the rest:

All madness meters full.

Health 50/50

All mundane attacks deal 2d10 damage with no modifiers.

Disappointed by the lack of child gangbang to gain courage.

Hah
That's... still pretty much a gangbang, you bunch of pedants.

Though it should be noted that she only orgasmed with Bill and Ben.

Can cast Float at-will.

There is a ton in the book on that level of fucked up. Remember how the theatre reacted to the cat almost getting shot? Now imagine they let Hocksetter be the fucking monster he was in the book. Or if they let the leper try to suck Eddies dick for a nickel. I really hope the second movie opens with the chapter where we hear a narration from It about how it came to earth and is such a superior being and why it does what it does. Or maybe end the movie with it because its a fedoracore speech that sounds like some deviantart "underachiever and proud of it" profile.
>Im so superior they only escaped because it was part of the plan
>I could totally kill them whenever but that would be beneath such a superior being as I
>Im not scared, I just dont think itd be right for such a superior being to take such an easy route to victory
>*Impales random child through the toilet*
>Im so superior hehe
>Eat adults? They dont have simple, primal fears to exploit
>I mean, how do I turn into a tax hike or the concept of dying alone?
>How do I become "that noise the furnace is making that you just know will eat your family vacation fund"
>Id rather just go OOGA BOOGA as a monster and eat some children
>Because Im so fucking superior

Its hard to take the monster seriously when 75% of its losses are to its own inflated ego

>the new one just looks like a nasty bastard 24/7.
That's because it's some otherwordly being's idea of what a clown is. No matter what the form, IT always looks off.

Did he wrote the book with cocaine as his co-author?

Didn't steven smoke a shit ton of weed while writing IT?

Actually how many books did he write while smoking a shit ton of weed, he seems to use that excuse a lot.

IT actually wasn't one of his weediest, you're thinking of Tommyknockers/Cujo.

You realise the entire point of IT is that it's fucking about, right? It's literally half of all reality being a dick. It doesn't need to eat. It doesn't need to kill. It doesn't even need to be an asshole. It just does because lolwhynot.

People need to realise that Pennywise was purely in it for a laugh. Even it's own 'losses' were to toy with the kids and adults. It could have killed them at any point but it enjoyed torturing them. It didn't kill Georgie because it needed to. It did it because later on, it could use it to fuck with his brother and cause stress and fear. It's basically the kid who's pulling the wings/legs off an insect. Sometimes it gets bit but it's not going to die from an ant bite.

The book even implies that it's not even dead. It's just chilling for another 27 years where it'll come back AGAIN and just do whatever, possibly fucking with pensioner versions of the kids. It wasn't even inactive for the 27 years after the initial fight since it made their lives better while removing their memories.

King claims that he put that scene in there to try and trip up his editor. If that's to be believed, his editor was shit.

Hi Mike, go eat a salad

The middle of the movie was literally back-to-back "horror" scenes for each of the children one after the other and took all the impact out as a result because there was no downtime

Bad editing or something

It does need to feed, it fucks about because It claims that terror makes the flesh taste better. The book itself does claim that It has been defeated, a later book implies that It is still alive but its never confirmed (in Dreamcatcher, a plaque on a statue in Derry to the missing children, graffitied "Pennywise Lives!"). The cycle of awakening/hibernating is coincidence, bookended by acts of horrific violence. The starting events typically are not directly caused by It, though the ending events always have It participating as they happen (mob justice of the bradley gang had It dressed as some wierd farmer/clown hybrid with a tommygun, the ironworks had a clown entertaining in the area etc)

The start of these 2 year periods are always events that create quick easy meals for It to get out of hibernation (the flooding of derry, burning down the black spot, the dude murdering his family, the other dude axe murdering a whole bar etc) It isnt implied to ever cause these things, just to take advantage of the violence to sneak a big breakfast before feasting for its next sleep

Given the rest of the book? No. King was just on coke and weed the entire time hence why the book 5x longer than it needs to be and full of useless drivel. Like most King novels.

>it isn't ever implied to ever cause these things

Except they happen on a cycle and despite all the bad shit in Derry, like a generation of kids vanishing every 2 decades, people still live there for no fucking reason.

Almost like having an evil entity that can manipulate memories, lifestyles and generally everything else that can actively affect reality explains everything in Derry.

So very true

>No teenage gangbang
0/10 Cant even be bothered to see the movie

Sex as a transition to adulthood is pretty often used piece of symbolism. Though usually used with a tad bit older characters.

I would be entirely willing to believe that King's editor immediately clocks off after doing a check for spelling errors desu.

NotAsGoodAsTimCurry/10

Different style. Tim Curry did a better Pennywise from a character standpoint but I don't recall him ever being realistically menacing. Skalbarg did a better job of Pennywise being an evil prick but thats probably more due to restrictions on media since 1990 TV series = 2010s movie with CGI gore.

This.

King is the essential hit and miss author. There's a spark of genius behind all this, but you have to dig through convoluted and unreadable mess along with his weird fetishes to get to it.

Curry did a better job imo of being unsettling and funny. He wasn't really ever scary but he did feel very off.

It /could/ but it really doesnt. Between brutal events? Its going to kill like 30 kids in horrible ways to feed, it may or may not cause everything to go out with a bang, but it isnt going to actually start things. The cycle isnt really precise, having a 3 year variance in the book. Bad shit happens in small towns too, It just uses these to create a 2 year memory hole to feed during. The book really paints this monster as an incompetent boob with superpowers by the end that, despite having every possible advantage, dies to his own hubris

Yep. He puts out so much stuff, some of it is bound to stick. For every good book he writes, he's written 10 bad ones.

King has the issue that he's too big for an editor to really control him and has been for a long time. I think, with an editor that could actually say no he'd do a lot better.

The black kid and the author-double. Is anybody surprised?

I'm a huge It fan. The original miniseries was the scariest thing I saw in my entire childhood; I loved the book; and the new remake did it justice. That said, the whole "Pennywise is a cosmic god of evil" thing was always retarded. The supreme principle of evil does not have cycles of feeding followed by decades of hibernation, or use the sewers to get around, or live in one small town in New England. It is obviously just a monster - King was retarded to try to make It the god of all evil to try to seem deep.

I think it's even worse in that regard. All his books are so-so. Can you even name at least 3 genuinely good books without finding some major flaws in them?

>I don't recall him ever being realistically menacing
disagree

absolutely nothing in the new movie was scary.
every 10 minute it was: (1) loud noise; (2) scrary clown run toward a kid unexpectedly; (3) no consequence; (4) repeat

garbage.

Tim Curry Pennywise actually delivered unsettling character acting shifting from believable clown persona (not just !scrary demon dressed as clown!) to actual demonic clown and back and forth. That's actually unsettling.

he's just a crazy sex pervert that throws a bunch of randumb shit against the wall, and people think he's a genius because 1/1000 of his shit sticks on the wall, and is halfway memorable.

Not saying he's a genius, just saying that some things are positively brilliant. Of course it's probably because of quantity > quality and childhood nostalgia.

The most important stat of all:

LOUD JUMP SCARE NOISE/BUHWOOOOW

-50 to enjoyment

Bill is the author double and bem is the fat kid.

Mike's the black guy.

this

But it's still sort of lame, isn't it? The sort of lame that makes you wonder why you've invested so much time reading it in the first place.

>watches modern horror movie
>doesn't expect constant lol spoopy ebin jumpscares

Why bother with actually terrifying shit when a random jumpscare every 5 to 10 minutes will be enough to make people nervous?

King is actually a pretty chill guy IRL. I met him once, and asked him about the childhood gangbang part, and he said he that the initial idea was that they had to leave their innocence behind in order to escape, and that was how they did it. He then said that it wasn't really a good idea in hindsight. I still like Dark Tower even though most of his books are equivalent to low-grade slasher movies.

Also isn't (perhaps I'm confusing it with the tv movie) a lot of it about what the children believe.

So if they think having sex will make them grown up and immune it will within the context of the monster having power.

>watching movies
>not just watching RLM

I'm pretty happy that most people here have read the book. The discussion I've seen on other boards has consisted of people who obviously haven't read the book, but are badly pretending they have. Maybe it's not as evident with other media, where a quick glance can give you the general idea. You can't really fake having read a 1200
page book

King's also a massive faggot. He's one of the typical writers who think because he's popular that his opinion holds more water than anyone else despite his writing being intrinsically bad, hence why none of his non-IT series besides Misery was legitimately good from about 1980ish.

Even the Shining would have been a shit movie if not for Kubrick and Nicholson.

It was a mediocre movie though.

>Georgie screaming his brother's name when he's dragged down through the drain
As an older brother, that physically caused me pain. Probably why I like the book so much, I really get Stuttering Bill's rage.

Meh, I'd rather judge the movie by its own merits. Gotta admit, I was pretty bored on the third act, knowing what happens and all. It's probably the weakest part of the movie with jumpscares every minute. Still liked some of the imagery.

Depends on what you mean by fake. 90% of his novels tend to be flotsam and descriptions. It's very rare that you get a good novel out of King where it's not the same 3 generic factors of Maine, Psychics and Sex.

He's like JK Rowling where his writing is praised when it realistically should be shitcanned but he got too big and unfortunately, bad writing is always overshadowed by bad fans.

>why
He is a pervert

the number of shill threads is too damn high

>shill threads
>everyone is calling the movie and the book mediocre

Gonna say that it's a Dreamlands Great Old One that landed here a long long time ago and it's so weak now all it can do is feed on fear as it bleeds the Dreamlands into the waking world

The Deadlights is actually a direct view to the Black Throne

why does the crawling chaos have a condom on his head

Mediocre as an action movie, and not all that close to the source material, but somehow I felt like it caught the tabletop spirit. Put me in the mood to paint minis and roll dice.

user it's the current year. We don't read threads anymore. Why do you think vair images with three words of greentext get the most responses?

>vair
Did you mean Vanir images?

I think what tipped this into unnerving for me was that his eyes were starting to unfocus as it zoomed in, which is immediate sign for "ah fuck it's tired of acting human and is about to split open with 17 mouths"

It's an ahoge, user.

Floats.

Translators completely botched the meaning in my language. The voices in the sink and the clown basically say "fly" instead of "float". Really bothered me.

You have to take fire 7 on a snake to do that. Meanwhile, some other guy has fear + awe + regen + blood surge

It's about coming of age.

In most societies you come of age when one of three thigns happen:
You have sex
You make your first kill
You endure a test of extreme hardship (usually torture, but survival in the wilderness on your own or something that has killed adults counts)

Rites of passage is a pretty important theme in IT, both good and bad.

Well... yeah. King was BIG into Cocaine for a large part of his career.

Modern Horror has become scary people moving in fast forward.

And people like it