Give me a reason why a space faring civilization should use slaves

They steal the souls of their slaves and utilize them for various uses.

Cultural distrust of AI/robotics that borders on the paranoia combined with one or more cultural justifications for slavery (muh chosen people, muh genetic superiority, muh burden, muh right of conquest, etc.).

If a planet was able to live through a Skynet-tier disaster and successfully rebuild, you can bet there isn't any computer more advanced than Windows 98 left on the surface. That would leave a much higher need for organic labor; if the species is unable to meet that demand (or they can but one of the above justifications really REALLY resonates with their culture), then yeah, space galley slaves mgiht be the answer.

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>Not showing how evil your civilization is by only reproducing through rape (not because of any biological necessity, just a deeply-held cultural tradition)

Give me a reason why any post industrial civilization wouldn't brainwash their slaves into thinking they're free

Maybe its something cultural; they want a specific psychological state and they can only achieve it by slavery.

They come to conclusion that freedom of choice is wasted on lesser races.

>planet just got conquered and need somebody to erect the giant alien statues
>exotic sex slaves/ status symbol
>slaves could be cheaper than sophisticated androids, especially on planets with underdeveloped infrastructure and industry
only infrastructure you need is bunch of shacks, and they reproduce without any kind of manufacturing facilities, unlike robots

Cultural taboo against robotics, tradition that encourages if not outright enforces slavery, an infrastructure that doesn't support widespread use of robotics, etc.

Somebody's gotta jerk me off and the bots just lack *that* particular touch.

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Complete automation and it's maintenance is too expensive.

Prestige and sex slaves.
If you're telling me that there wouldn't be people that would enslave the first alien species we came across and put their dick in them just for the experience?

Because if you are I'm afraid to tell you that I would.
Personally.
Even if it killed me.

Just for the right of going down as a footnote in history as 'They guy that was the first to put his dick in a Norn Queen'

Organic slaves are self-reproducing and self-maintaining, and with proper incentives and JUST enough autonomy they can be more loyal than any machine ever could be. Furthermore, they run on a separate power source compared to mechanical systems, meaning that a failure of mechanical systems is less crippling to overall output and social stability - in a world where automation rules everything, a sudden EMP assault like a solar flare can cause global devastation and shutdown that can take decades to recover.

>they can be more loyal than any machine ever could be

Literally how?

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Sex slaves are sexy.

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A machine thinks in purely logical terms and might find its subservience to you is illogical. Only organics are asinine enough to convince themselves their enslavement is for their own good.

population booms to the point where it's simpler to take naturally-occurring people than to make artificial ones

>sweatshops
First, those people are not slaves. Unless you're one of them politically inclined people, then you might see it the other way around.
Second, advantage of human labor vs machine automation is cheaper setup cost, and easier re-purposing or relocation. Production costs on the long running projects will generally be cheaper with full machine production.
Thirds, humans are more likely to produce defective goods / miss the exact specs. There's products that can go with 1" tolerance, and there's products where microns matter.
Human labor still has its place - it's about right "tools" for the right job.

What's to stop someone from utilizing slaves in a sweatshop fashion? What's preventing someone from utilizing slavery in any situation where human labour would still be viable, for the reasons that you mentioned?

Jobs that require more versatility and intelligence than a machine can manage. It's entirely possible that there are limits to how effective a machine can be. Saying that machines will "obsolete" all manual labor is as much an assumption as the other way around. Given that we haven't reached the point at which we have experienced it ourselves, it's dumb to say that one thing definitively will happen and the other definitively won't.

History tells us that attempts to predict the future generally don't turn out well.

This is fucking retarded. Just don't program robots with that level of decision making. Are you entrusting important tasks to slaves? If you are it's a miracle your civilization has survived to the point it's at at all.

...free labor?

'There he goes. Homeboy fucked a martian once.'

machines that not only work off man power, but byproducts of man as well. It's extremely efficient.

No, but your robots are likely attached to a network which has a central AI that is sophisticated enough to utilize that sort of decision-making. Having a human in that role would be horribly inefficient after all and having each robot exist outside of a network and require individual updates to change their functionality would be so horribly inefficient that you might as well stick with human workers.

Because every empire -- no exception -- is built on the backs of its slaves.

My gift to industry is the genetically engineered worker, or Genejack. Specially designed for labor, the Genejack's muscles and nerves are ideal for his task, and the cerebral cortex has been atrophied so that he can desire nothing except to perform his duties. Tyranny, you say? How can you tyrannize someone who cannot feel pain?

what if a species reproduced primarily through one gender physically dominating the other and as a result they have neither a sense of love or companionship nor is sexual violence considered traumatizing?

Cultural tradition, no need to worry about advancing in robotics when you have a cheap labor source always available.

That's basically a machine made of flesh.

At any rate

SLAVERY or AUTOMATION

Yes, these are mutually exclusive.

Automation is slavery.

Good old-fashioned racism?

I think there is an economic question of what is ultimately cheaper: Robots or slaves.

Slaves seem cheaper initially, but feeding and keeping them in line may prove to be more expensive in the long run. Also transporting them is much more difficult than robots.

The answer would be hidden under many levels of details like: How advanced is robot tech? How plentiful is food? Do you have a slave species that is easier to control? and so on.

Wookies seem like they would eat a lot and take a lot of effort to control, but like most things in Star Wars it's more about what seems interesting than what makes sense.

The world would be such a beautiful place is our ancestors hadn't been such massive pussies and they had just exterminated all the brown races. Imagine that nice upper-class white neighborhood, but everywhere.

Slavery is abhorrently inefficient, that's why Slavery was abolished and replaced with Taxation. People who think they aren't property produce a lot more.

>yes goyim, you're allowed to work
>but you need to give me 80% of your income or go to jail
>don't complain, don't you see all these wonderful scraps of your own productivity I throw at you?

What if you turn people into lobotomized/brainwashed cyborg-slaves?

They would just find some other detail to hate their fellow light skin people. Wrong hair color, wrong eye color, wrong height, wrong number of teeth, etc.

We're very good at figuring out how we're different than other people and justifying why we're better than those people

Just have reasonably affordable entertainment, people will slave away just for the privilege of getting it.

Not really, the higher the amount of white people in a country, the lower the amount of crime and freedom. Rich black neighborhoods produce more criminals than poor white ones, explain that without using race.

That is only for the military though it seems like the basic slaves are just kept in line through force and brainwashing. Although Civil Protection is a pretty good deal beat the shit out of other slaves in exchange for more rights.

Cultural inertia. Same reason a spacefaring race would have democracy or monarchy or any cultural thing really.

Space whores, space mines, space maids, space indentured servitude, space factories, space breeders, space debt bondage, space child marriage.

Or did you think slavery was just picking cotton? Nice bubble you have there.

Slavery was extremely profitable and the abolition movement was very costly economically. Also socially, as now everyone thinks Christians are massive pussies and guilt trip them for ever having slaves while brown people still have ~37 million slaves and no one calls them out on it because they don't give a fuck.

Concubinage

Yeah, training soldiers to be dumb worked so well for Prussia. That's why Prussia remains a powerful force in the world today.

Wookies deserve it

Profitable how? Have you ever tried to make a black person work? It's not efficient. Machines produce more than the best craftsmen ever could, and of consistent quality.

Culture.

>the lower the amount of crime and freedom
>lower amount of freedom
Are you sure this isn't a typo?

Do the people in City-17 work in anything at all? I don't remember them working in factories or doing anything productive. Stalker seems to be the only anything that looks like a work.

He needs an oxford comma.

"The lower amount of crime, and freedom."

Slavery becomes more desirable for landowners where land is abundant but labour is scarce, such that rent is depressed and paid workers can demand high wages. If the opposite holds true, then it becomes more costly for landowners to have guards for the slaves than to employ paid workers who can only demand low wages due to the amount of competition. Thus, first slavery and then serfdom gradually decreased in Europe as the population grew, but were reintroduced in the Americas and in Russia as large areas of new land with few people became available.

The entire sentence is incorrectly set, but you can't await to much from people like him.

Yep, anyone remember "Irish need not apply"? Anyone remember when the scury foreign religion that's totally going to take over the country was Catholicism?

Xenophobic retards repeat the same shit every time, it's not even new.

Civil Protection.

They picked the Decadent trait during species creation.

Is forced test subjects a form of slavery?

Livestock.

Slaves are living, they have some degree of homeostasis and critical thinking ability. They run off of food, which costs far less than heavy metals, power sources and well trained maintenance crews.

Phase 1 of a colonies development:
Slaves would find a use as cheap labor in a new colony. Living in prehab domestic units and working in inhospitable soil. Diseases would ravage their populations, to which corporate scientists would cure and include in a vaccination packet for the actual colonists that are yet to come.

phase 2: a corporation/government would sponsor colonial voyages to citizens/working class. This would be your skilled laborers and the people who would develop the planets infrastructure. Here the slaves would still be useful as the heavy labor.

phase 3: the upper classes would begin moving towards the planet, trying to carve out a piece of the pie for themselves. Slaves wouldn't serve much of a purpose here, either they would enter the population at its lowest social class or they would be moved to the next developing planet.

You could make the slaves work in conditions in which it would be less cost effective than using automatons/robotic aid ie: terrain difficult to navigate, environment is hazardous such as life forms on the planet taking out your robots/equipment, and presence of mind could be required to make snap decisions at the labor site. Not taking into account degradation of equipment, supply lines being lacking for repair equipment, and hazardous terrain one could argue that using the local populace for slave labor would be effective not only in terms of cost but efficiency in comparison to using your costly supplies to facilitate work. All you would need to do is subjugate the people and threaten them with the well being of their families and force the strongest beings on the planet to be the working force, thereby relegating the resistance to back breaking labor weakening them and enhancing your profit.

Not to mention that cost overhead would probably already be something along the lines of ammuntion, security emplacements, and food. Opposing that is the increase of costs in the form of repair facilities, technically able crew members for those repairs, and distance from other planets from which those specific supplies come from. A couple generations later and you would have a populace that would continue to create more workers for less cost and eventually become inured to the idea of resistance. It's morally reprehensible but it makes sense that SOME space faring race would still practice slavery.

because it's grossly inefficient. Lower castes with fewer rights are effective, but if you maintain wage slavery, it costs you much less in both the short and long term.
Why pay a slaver $10,000 for a slave I then have to feed and clothe, when I can pay the slave to enslave themselves for a dollar a day, and force them to pay for their own food and clothing? Do I really expect them to work for more than 10,000 days? There are more where that one came from.

I think the idea is that they do some very basic menial labour somewhere, building things for the Combine, but it's really just make-work so Breen can convince the Combine that humanity would be a valuable addition to their empire.

Unfortunately we never see any of the sweatshops or factories, or hear anyone talk about them, which makes the whole living situation of City 17's citizens seem weirdly incomplete.

give me a reason why a seafaring civilization should use slaves.

someone's gotta row the galley

Are you me?

>Not nerve stapling your slaves.

>Not severing unessential neural pathways relating to self-preservation and free-will creating a docile and obedient client species.

The spoils of conquest to further bolster their numbers in their intergalactic empire?

>galley

nigga you do not want to take a galley into open ocean. You are not a seafaring nation if all you have are galleys.

I think its our resident 1488 faggot, don't engage he'll crash the thread with his rants on murdering "degenerates" in order to stop the inevitable decline of Western Civilization.

Slaves should be disassembled into their primary components to make bioroids.

Is it slavery?

community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/vitoc/

I actually like the EVE online lore about slavery.

>tl:dr: slaves are injected with a toxic chemical substance that is fatal unless the recipient receives a constant supply of an addictive, euphoric antidote

Slaves should be forced to milk cyborg cat-rats strapped to a machine to not die of poisoning. They also need heart-plugs.

Because robots, like the machines they are require a certain amount of understanding of robotics and coding, slaves require a gun and some protein slop a day.

Servitude is the most logical course though, it was what it was made for, what saves the most resources on its part and produces more than if it wasn't in servitude(a revolt would put an end to production, illogical).

Only emotional organics thinks freedom is valuable.

And lets not completely ignore that the meme "the eternal anglo" actually was taken seriously by some people.

Problem with those mind control technologies is that in the end its gonna be an loop of conniving faggots slaving each other (I mean for instance, think about controlling the most powerful man and all you need to do is secretly implant him) until there's nobody left.

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So wage slavery is the way to go if you want slavery in science fiction?

Slaves take more resources to function as a labor force. They aren't economically viable in the long-term. You have to feed them, house them, provide medical care if one has an accident, train them for the tasks they need to perform, etc. On a strict basis of cost, if you're developed enough to have true spacefaring, then you're not going to want to rely on an economic system as outdated as that. The people who try to claim they're somehow more viable than automation are talking out their asses. Slaves as a cultural institution for reasons besides labor are at the very least slightly more sensible, but even then they still need all the previously mentioned necessities in order to function. If you have a slave as a domestic servant of some kind, and only that, you're going to have to take care of them in a moderately humane manner to keep them functioning. A roomba can't stab you any higher than the ankles with a knife. A mistreated slave can.

Ever heard of human debris, a broken, disconnected and enslaved human being will have no willpower or ability to escape.

If they do escape. How can they read the controls on the starship they just mutinied on? Or be blasted by other ships when they fail to properly hail.

>Ducks suddenly become sentient

Because chattel slaves will always be cheaper and more adaptable than robots.

Wouldn't it kinda stop being rape at a certain point?

Tech advance doesn't mean social advance.
Practices continue from homeworld to space.
This a why one could or would, but for should?
Can't really come up with a should.

This Every rich guy can afford mechanical servants. Now expensive domestic slaves that's fancy.