What cards does modern need? OC or legacy reprint.
I would unban: BBE Birthing Pod DRS Dig Through Time Eye of Ugin Green Sun's Zenith JTMS Mental Misstep Preordain (NOT ponder though) Skullclamp SFM Treasure Cruise Artifact Lands
I would ban: Back to Nature Blood Moon Inkmoth Nexus Monastery Swiftspear
Modern needs: Karmic Justice
Jackson Wood
just don't reply to him
Daniel Wright
>I would ban: >Back to Nature >Blood Moon >Inkmoth Nexus >Monastery Swiftspear Fucking why any of those
Asher Morales
I always waffle between thunderous wraths and reforge the soul.
Easton Murphy
Unbans:
>BBE Reasonable. >Birthing Pod I'm fine with this unbanned but I can understand the logic of it remaining there. >DRS I'm a 50/50 split on this. I don't mind dealing with this but at the same time dropping a turn 2 LotV/Last Hope is still going to be a backbreaking play in the BGx decks. >DTT Not sure, I think it could be unbanned since it was only hit alongside the Treasure Cruise ban >Eye of Ugin Fuck no, we don't need Eldrazi winter again. That deck is still going strong even with the Eye of Ugin ban. >GSZ This will come off the banlist if Dryad Arbor enters the banlist. GSZ for 0 getting Dryad Arbor was like 60-70% of the reason for the card being banned. The other remaining percentage was WotC worried about toolbox decks shutting down too many different decks. >JTMS No. There were sample games tested with this and JTMS improved matchups of certain decks tremendously. Combined with new planeswalker rule it's just dumb. >Mental Misstep Nah. The mental misstep wars get real dumb real fast. >Preordain Maybe but we'll see how Opt holds up first. >Skullclamp Honestly i'm not sure. The only decks I can see wanting this are tokens and Elves. However at the same time the Thopter/Sword combo is live in the format and could be super busted. >SFM I'm all for it, I think the format can easily deal with both the search, equipment and SFM herself. >Treasure Cruise Fuck no, we're not having every deck splash blue for Treasure Cruise again. >Artifact Lands Fuck no, Affinity would be broke out the fucking ass.
Bans: >Back to Nature For what fucking purpose? >Blood Moon No. Learn to fetch for basics or play a deck that doesn't care. >Inkmoth Nexus Irrelevant card these days especially with Fatal Push in the format >Monastery Swiftspear For what fucking purpose?
Modern needs: >Karmic Justice Never going to happen based on the fact that Karmic Justice can blow up lands.
Nathan Morris
>Nah. The mental misstep wars get real dumb real fast. >Nah. The mental misstep wars get real dumb real fast.
Fraud detected. MM was never legal in modern.
Chase Miller
Yeah I know it's not legal in Modern you moron but i've playtested games with it within the confines of Modern. It gets real dumb fast. It was real dumb in Vintage too when Mentor decks would cast a G probe and mistep the probe and mistep their misteps for a bajillion dudes.
Jacob Barnes
Modern is not the only format in existence, dumb trip poster.
Wyatt Nelson
Well this modern general is a dumpster fire already. Do not respond to tripfags
David Reyes
Oh man Mistep would be cancer. >try to play turn cantrip, mana dork, looting or handhate, only to fuel a turn 2 death's shadow >try and path/push said shadow with snap+mistep It would literally be GDS mistep wars: the format
Carter Cook
If I splash black in Soul Sisters for lingering souls do I have to run an entire fetch and shock land base? Really don't want to buy in to fetches just to splash.
Joseph Stewart
Yeah, I feel like there is plenty of missed opportunity in treating the tiles like special battlefield zones, or special lands, or something like localised enchantments. A whole host of other things they could have done instead of random spell effects for 3 different costs. Maybe even alternate wincons, or negating some death cons.
Christopher Bennett
I would unban Ponder.
Henry Rogers
Did the thread for explorers of ixalan die?
Owen Ortiz
First reply is a tripfag, people are giving it (you)s, cross-thread posters and poorfags. This general went to shit real quick
Luis Morris
There's not even 20 posts, give it time. Soon we'll be discussing how tron is broken and how death's shadow should be banned
Noah Diaz
Fuck apparently.
Lucas Diaz
It's interesting for sure, I'm glad they're taking a different approach compared to archenemy and planechase.
I wonder which modern decks you can slot in to play, I used to play planechase with modern decks. It was a blast
Nathan Foster
Modern has been total shit and will continue to be unplayable dogshit until Wizards admits they fucked up and unban Twin
discuss
Thomas Flores
Reminder to ignore Twinposters.
Ayden Stewart
Fuck you, I miss twin
t. Tron and burn player
Colton Green
You're next
Daniel Lee
Lol, what are they going to do? Ban lightning bolt? Lands are untouchable, fuckboi.
Aaron Allen
>Lands are untouchable >8 lands on the ban list already
Parker James
Flashing in to remind you Nigger of Cloudpost.
Austin Johnson
I meant those specific lands. The ones that go back to the 90's.
Jordan Gonzalez
Yes it would. It would push Death Shadow into ridiculous territory. It would become a form of control deck without actually even being control.
Speaking of control, this is one of my favorite counter spells. I'm kinda dissapointes it doesn't get more love. But, then again; >Control >In modern It also has to fight for slots against fatal push, which basically serves the same purpose, can be used retroactively, and costs one mana less in more popular color.
At the very least I can't help having it sitting in sideboard as a 2 of. Since I only sideboard for aggro decks, I guess I can have both in there.
Christian James
Just run essence scatter if you want to be a retard
Aiden Green
Kek'd
Henry Young
>Heh, I'm going to bring this in against Death's Shadow so they can't Kommand it back ;^) >W-w-wait y-you're not meant to be c-casting Gurmag Angler >Stop please I c-c-can't c-counter that
Liam Bennett
Both remand and mana leak are strictly better. Shit, cancel is strictly better
Jordan Roberts
>strictly You keep using that word. I do not think you know what it means.
Liam Diaz
I'd like to see a board or tile addition that makes use of lands as battlefields for different creatures, each with different effects and such, and can be randomized so that any casual can play a different deck that could possibly "work" instead of having a static map that can be figured out.
Make use of landwalk abilities, and banding, or first strike, or flanking or any number of abilities and effects.
Make lands take excess damage and get destroyed ; turn it into a real tangible battlefield.
Wyatt Wright
Remand hits everything and replaces itself. it's basically timewalk
Mana leak hits everything and is a powerful tax
Cancel hits everything
Misstep hits everything
See the pattern?
Zachary Foster
yeah, the pattern is pretty clear: tg sucks at magic
Robert Torres
>Playing? BR Vampires >Hating? Walking Ballista, but pithing needle should suffice >Thoughts on the meta? I live in a blood moon microcosm where half the store runs it, so I don't really know what the meta is >And of course: Meme tech? Asylum Visitor is actually pretty astoundingly good in a control shell
Connor Morales
Honestly with the anthology sets, this seems like a next logical step. It will more than likely have 4 balanced intro level decks designed for the game, like Nicol Bolas.
Jace Wilson
I miss Pod. He dindu nuffin and the ban was a byproduct of creature power creep
Liam Thomas
Can i talk about casual decks and stuff here?
Aaron Butler
There's nothing to talk about with casual decks because it's geared towards a specific power level you shouldn't exceed. The only discussion that is helpful is when there is no such thing as "too good"
Samuel Cook
Go for it. The """"competitive"""" fags can't pull their normal bullshit since the title doesn't say it.
Joseph Price
What I don't understand is why you're restricting your deckbuilding to Modern when you only want to play casually. Like, what do you care if your cards are older? The only reason Modern exists is as a competitive framework. If you wanna do whatever, do whatever.
Justin Thomas
Amulet Titan vs UW Control is the most jerk-off matchup in the format.
Liam Nguyen
Yo, when on the stack (before Carnage Tyrant enters the field), can you use a Vraska's Contempt or anything that stops creature spells before it hits the field? Does it have hexproof in hand or only when it's on the field?
Also Blossoming Defense. If I use Vraska's Contempt on a creature that has Blossoming Defense, do I gain the 2 life?
Adrian Hill
Vraska's contempt can only affect creatures on the field, so not a carnage tyrant (or anything else) on the stack.
If the creature already had blossoming defense cast and resolved targeting it, then you cant target that creature with VC. If you cast VC on it, then they respond with blossoming defense, then VC will end up with an illegal target and be "countered" by the rules of the game.
Aiden Adams
Countered by the rules of the game meaning it never resolves and you don't gain life
Jason Peterson
>Vraska's contempt can only affect creatures on the field, so not a carnage tyrant (or anything else) on the stack. For this one, would a two-drop stop creature spell work like censor or essence scatter?
Brayden Peterson
You wouldn't be able to use Vraska's Contempt as it's on the stack because it's not a creature yet, it's just a spell. However, you wouldn't be able to hit it with a counterspell either because of the uncounterable part. The only way to deal with it is a boardwipe or beating it in combat.
Jack Kelly
Yes
Gabriel Long
Are there any other people that play casual kitchen table MTG with friends and family? Im sure it's partly due to age, but I've been collecting and playing since either Arabian Nights or Antiquities, and it was fun. I learned about net decks and the competitive scene around Ravnica, and started playing at stores and realising the horror of the kind of autism riddled neckbeards the game attracts.
Haven't been able to get back into the game since. Would it be fun / worth it to get back into it?
Jason Anderson
>mfw when people are saying Vraska's Contempt is good removal >At 4 fucking mana, the same as what a board wipe cost a few years ago
Brandon Long
Carnage tyrant can't be countered so censor or essence scatter wouldn't work. But if it could be countered then it would work.
Cameron Hall
Depends on you. The game still attracts autism riddled neckbeards.
Joshua Howard
Board wipes don't hit Planeswalkers and don't deal with indestructible / recurring threats.
Vraska's Contempt is good because it deals with essentially everything that isn't hexproof.
Daniel Johnson
You realise that hitting a walker with a removal spell means you're being 2 for 1'd, right? Imagine responding to LotV's -2 with Vraska's Contempt. You've lost a creature and a spell, they've only lost their Lilly. They're like creatures with ETBs, you can't just point removal at them to win.
Chase Williams
Sure, but you can't just let Chandra tick up to ultimate. You have to have an answer.
Angel Bell
The decks running Vraska's Contempt aren't running many creatures btw. They have Torrential Gearhulk, Scarab God, and that's about it.
Why are we talking about Standard in here anyway?
Oliver Russell
Yeah but when I'm playing standard and my opponent drops LotV we've got bigger problems than getting 2 for 1'd.
Sebastian Phillips
Fine, Torch of Defiance hitting your creature with a -3. The idea is the same; they're always getting value from their pseudo ETB.
Ian Reed
I feel like picking up a jank-ass, cheap-as-fuck modern deck to play every now and then at my LGS. Possibility Storm is what I'm looking at. Thing is, everyone at the LGS plays some variant of tron, affinity, storm, or titan shift. Should I even bother with cheap jank or am I just going to lose every game?
Josiah Sanders
I definitely never said it was good removal, but as far as standard goes, we're lucky to get any form of removal whatsoever because little Timmy gets upset when you kill his big dudes
Isaac Clark
Why don't you have anything else to kill their 1 loyalty chandra with? Are you an aggressive deck that just doesn't feel like playing creatures today? Are you a control deck throwing counterspells at creatures when you have a vraska's contempt in hand? The spell's strength is versatility, that doesn't mean you use it on everything, it means you save your niche spells for their purpose and use vraska's contempt for everything you don't have a good answer for. If you match your answers to their threat's badly that doesn't mean your answers are bad, it means you're a retard. You fucks are babied by thoughtsieze, go play with a catch all answer that actually has a downside like FoW.
Hudson Brooks
And the spell's weakness is 4 mana. Pre-Gatewatch the spell would've been a bulk rare laughing stock.
Grayson Ross
wtf? don't bully, i liked utter end.
Blake Stewart
Yeah, and 90% of the spells played in modern are a laughing stock in vintage. That doesn't mean anything though, it's just you have a wank over relative format strengths.
Andrew Morales
This thread is a shitshow. First a tripfag, then people responding to the tripfag, then a little Tron / Twin flareup, and now Standard.
James Bell
The format would be better without tron
Matthew Jenkins
it's nto ev en jsut about relative strength, exiling in standard is incredibly relevant right now and gaining life is too. Standard has much stronger cards, but none that does it work as well in the current meta. It's like bolt not being played anymore, stop being an autist and recognise the relevance of the meta.
Jonathan Foster
You aren't helping.
Nathan Harris
Modern would be better without standard
Bentley Morgan
I don't even know what I'm looking at here.
Tyler Rodriguez
The realisation that standard is the reason modern can't have good cards; they have to pass through that shitfest of a format first.
Jack Gomez
Standard (and Draft) are also what keeps Wizards in business so they can keep making cards at all.
Adrian Morris
>Standard (and Draft) are also what keeps Wizards in business Not the supplementary products that require little to no R&D and have double the RRP but sell like watermelon in the Congo?
Matthew Butler
>require little to no R&D user pls, balancing MM draft format was a very costly job.
Blake Rogers
Well its more like Veeky Forums seems to only do standard or modern threads for MTG. Modern is a lot closer to casual than standard in that regards.
Also since i tend to do budget decks, it generally wont include cards older than modern.
Nolan Morales
Correct, because they have to limit the supply of those supplementary products so they don't crash card values.
New sets they print to demand. It's their bread and butter and it's no coincidence that Pro Tours highlight Draft and Standard.
Luke Peterson
Off the top of my head >Angler, fatal push, swiftspear, tks, last hope, walking ballista, collective brutality >Treasure cruise, despite insta banning in every other format, only saw play as a 2-of in a single standard deck
Caleb Peterson
i think also goyf shadow LotV path mistep and twin passed through standard.
Jose Morgan
Theros was a big shift for standard powerlevels, comparing the formats with RG monsters, faeries, cawblade and blinktusk to our modern day GPG, energy and approach is an apples and oranges comparison
Adam Sanders
>misstep hits everything
O_O wait do all of the people who think misstep is broken think this??? That explains the stupidity
Andrew Robinson
Play Owling Mine, in my experience it works wonders
Gavin Foster
If you aren't playing a quad-sleeved foiled out Taking Turns deck, I don't want to see your Howling Mine.
Wyatt Jackson
Why did wizards drop the powerlevel so much? I would actually play standard if it had interesting cards
Nathan Wood
If you don't drop the powerlevel periodically you end up with power creep. This kills the game.
Matthew Barnes
Can we expect better cards in coming sets?
David Hill
But then you end up in a situation where everyone wants to play legacy, modern and commander over the format you want people to play. The few people I know who play standard all say they do it because they can't afford formats they prefer and it has been a laughing stock for a while now.
Nathan Hill
I'm pretty sure that Wotc pays attention to format numbers and I'm pretty sure that Standard is still the most widely played format around.
If they did not hit the reset button every now and again, then what happens is your cards rapidly become useless. Those expensive eternal staples that you bought would become trash.
John Reed
They know they need to do it. Wizards isn't stupid though, they purposefully weave eternal playable cards into the mix in order to keep some value.
Just look at the rest of the Merfolk in Ixalan, and then tell me Wizards didn't print this card specifically for Modern.
Isaiah Allen
Kopala is shit though
Jacob Reyes
Depends on how you want your powerlevel. Cards like approach, glorybringer and GPG are fun when theres a playpen where you cant bring things like bolt, path or relic. Just because I cant standstill some nerd in modern doesnt mean I cant have fun with lantern control, and Ill always have feelings for my UB landstill even though my true love, Stax, is really only viable in vintage.
Ryder Lewis
I didn't say it was good, I said it was made for Modern.
Kayden Perry
>modern >eternal I don't think this word means what you think it means.
Carter Phillips
It's 2017, stop living in the past.
Jayden Reed
Ok, NON ROTATING FORMAT. Ffs, stop with this fucking bullshit. Different user, yet fed with you, stupid retard.
Wyatt Myers
What is it like living with aspergers?
Isaac Bailey
Devs make mistakes, but even WotC isn't reatarded enough to make kopala for modern and fail so horribly.