Shelob had a human form and wasn't evil, just misunderstood. This is canon

Shelob had a human form and wasn't evil, just misunderstood. This is canon.

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>This is canon.

No, it isn't. The Shadow of Mordor series is supposed to be a stupid fun power fantasy. It's about as canon as the Hobbit movies, which is to say not at all.

>just misunderstood
Every evil beign claims this.

Fanfiction is the opposite of canon
Why would an ancient evil spider lie?

Why would it tell the truth?

Because it values virtues such as honesty and it likes making its intentions clear. Just like every other ancient evil spider

Could an ancient evil spider even lie?

Also why Shelob? I'd expect that kind of mystic bullshit from her mom but not her.

Melkor wanted to be understood, he thought his dad just didn’t get it. Eru understood, he understood perfectly that Melkor was an edgy little shit, and thought it was a fucking laugh. Ungoliant was the smelly dope fiend girlfriend he brought home that pawned his siblings shit for drug money, and eru thought that was fucking hilarious, especially when she tried to put Melkor’s eyes out with a dirty needle.

She’s not a spider. In the book she’s a being “in the form of a spider.”. It implies she has other forms, Shadow of Mordor ran with that idea.

>She’s not a spider. In the book she’s a being “in the form of a spider.”

This is literally false. She is described as a giant spider in her one appearance in the trilogy. And beyond that,she is the offspring of Ungoliant (who took the form of a spider), and actual giant spiders. She is a giant spider.

I don't know. The whole time I was wondering where they got any of these powers or abilities from, when she was just a giant evil spider that Sauron tolerated because she was useful where she was and it amused him to watch her eat her prey.

Uh, did you play the game? She's evil. Unapologetic, clear evil.

I took that more to imply it wasn't truly a spider in the arachnological sense, but was basically just a giant spider

nah, she's just a big ol' misunderstood spider lady who wanted to help frodo along

She's half Maiar. The limitations and powers of such a creature are never explored in the books.

This. You could describe an Orc as being an "x or y in man-form" but that doesn't imply Orcs can shapeshift.

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That's stupid.

Gollum wanted the ring for himself and Shelob wanted something different than orc.

>human form Shelob

I tried writing a point by point refutation, but I couldn't.
My mind is melting from how fucking retarded this is.

So basically, the theory here is that the monster living in a cave eating orcs had somehow read the script and thought the junkie was more suitable for carrying the magical crack to the trash chute? That's really dumb. Gollum had moments of clarity where he probably realized it's for the best to destroy the ring, but there's no way that would have lasted for more than like 15 minutes with it in his hands. That would only kind of make sense if she tried to give it to Sam and kill the other two, but even that would be really questionable

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Point to the letter that Tolkien wrote that proves this.

>She's half Maiar.

Uh, no. Ungoliant was not Maiar. Nobody knows what Ungoliant was.

>She's half Maiar.

I hate "underdogs".

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The halflings were the underdogs. Giant monsters are just giant monsters

It's like a smear campaign against Sam.

What kind of society am I living in?

I have no idea where I got the idea from, but reading LOTR as a kid, I ALWAYS pictures Shelob as a giant spider with a woman's upper body.

Right up until the films came out I swore that was how she was described, and was confused when she was just a spider in the film.

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Goddamn I wanna suck on dem spider titties.

Since she's a spider, she'd be into BDSM, yuh?

One where we can see that Sam was really the bad guy all along. He probably molested Merry and Pippin too.

You say that like its a bad thing.

I mean the kind of people who write this bullshit, you just know they think of themselves as wronged geniuses/heroes kept down by the evil society/regime.

Hence, fuck "underdogs".

Now I understand how the autistic rageposters feels.

It is not nice.

Now imagine how Christopher Tolkien reacted to it.

been a while since I got to use this one

As if I had sold my father's legacy for money for it to be fucked and raped. If I was aware while I was doing it it would be one thing, and to find out this after believing that would respect (more or less) his work would feel as shame and betrayal.

Why did they have to give her tits? Did they think we didn't want to fuck Shelob anyway?

I tried to forgive this series the first time, but this is too much lore rape. They have to be stopped.

I'm sure he cried all the way to the bank. At least I'm assuming he is getting money out of this.

he's not and the videogame rights were not explicitly sold, they were acquired by a batallion of lawyers extrapolating the movie rights to their most extreme

Who the fuck claimed Shelob was a woman and why is this a meme here now?

>Thinking video game royalty laws are the same as every other form of media

Shadow of War did.

So basically these games are just horrible in every sense.

what are they then?

Who the fuck finds Denethor inspirational? Shit, or even Saruman?

Boromir is inspirational because he dies protecting the hobbits.

>Shelob was a good guy because her chasing Frodo to devour him led Frodo in the right direction.
>The Nazgul are good guys because them cutting people down on the road and trying to kill the hobbits in their beds made Frodo aware of the ring's power.
>Sauron was a good guy because him trying to hold all of Arda under his dominion eventually led to Aragorn becoming king.

It's impossible for anyone to be this stupid.

Boromir is inspirational because he's a fucking bamf.
He is literally the only person to ever wander into Rivendell uninvited. He has zero (0) elf blood. He still had a dream one day and decided to fuck off up north, a land he'd never been, and attend the council of Rivendell.

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You are the one who claimed he was heading to the bank

Very important question
Since Shelob is in game and isn't spider, can we fuck her?

Relativists are cancer, indeed.
Try arguing with someone who believes daltonism disproves the existance of the color red next.

Boromir is a very complex character. At the very least they are right that there is depth to Tolkien characters that many miss.
Shelob is still a completely bizarre choice though.

no I'm not, different user

She is romancable but you have to do a bunch of stupid fetch quest and Tom Bombdill is Best Girl anyway.

Not necessarily relevant to that post, but...

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Well Sauron was trying very hard to bring order to a world he felt the other Ainur were neglecting/unfit to rule. He was just also fucked in the head, mostly by Melkor who was basically Satan. He got assfucked one too many times and it scrambled his brains. At least he was loyal though.

what the fuck

Tolkien managed to put a lot of depth in most of his character, which somehow people ignore.
The only important character you could argue was underdeveloped was Legolas.

I feel like the movie did the living version of Sauron an injustice

Really, this is the only reasonable response

Among us? Who knows. In LOTR? His little brother.

>This is canon
no. nothing this abortion did was canon.

This is not something that anyone actually said while being serious. Please

If she isn't a spider, why would you want to?

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>This is canon.

It isn't though.

The games, movies, and books are completely separate canons and should always be treated as such. I don't even think Tolkien's descendants support or approve of them- with that said if I'm treating them as what they actually are "fan fiction", then I don't mind all the wacky, crazy, woefully inaccurate and out of character changes.

no faggot.
this guy is correct.
And the only reason why it gets even mentioned, is as a creation myth for spiders, which didn't exist before Ungoliant, who birthed all spiders (including Shelob) after her own image, using the power absorbed from the two Trees of Valinor.

Yeah, I think these people might be a little....odd, user.

And he wasn't party elf and still accomplished all that.
Isildur, elven bloodline and all, was taken by the ring way faster.

She won't eat you when you put your cock out.

His brother was not in the same situation. Everyone loving Boromir more kept him from becoming too blinded by his successes. Essentially Boromir has to die a martyr for someone else to have a better shot at succeeding.

Boromir is the hero Middle-Earth deserved, but not the one it needed right then.

part of a promotional article for a game magazine by one of the lead writers
I'm sorry

WB knew if they presented him as Tolkien described him people would see and angel and go out of their way to subvert the narrative.
I mean, all it took to have retards white knight Shelob was make her look like a former pornstar.

What? Shelob wasn't ungoliant's daughter, but a distant descendant.

Eh, part of what makes the ring dangerous is that the more power you have, the faster you fall.

Frodo giving the ring to Galadriel would have had her fall in days, Gandalf would have been a dark lord come winter had he accepted the ring from Bilbo.

There's zero support for that theory. Ungoliant was the first spider but isn't the mother of all spiders, and Ungoliant was a godlike creature that took the form of a spider.

>She's half Maiar.
keep your own completely unsourced headcanon to yourself, plz.
it's bad enough we have to deal with Warner Brothers fanfiction, without you adding to the problem with your own.

Ungoliant, more importantly, was no Maiar.

No Shelob was a direct descendant and the only one to live long enough to see the third age end

Faramir would not have even tried to take the ring because he would have recognized the shadow of Boromir in Aragorn and followed him silently like he did his brother.

Everything in this post is incorrect.

The Samarilion says daughter. This runs into the small problem that there IS no definitive cannon for a lot of this stuff, just ambiguous terms used in the limited information we have.

>The giant spider of pure evil is more human than Aragorn king and savior of all mankind.
so this is the power of (((Warner Brothers)))?
Not bad.

I'm going to cum in your pussy Sara

I meant to say that she's more than generation removed from ungoliant.

Ungoliant actually mated with several existing monstrous spiders to create her spawn, it is not the origin of spiders

To play the doubles advocate, the guy did manage to retain some vestiges of sanity despite Sauron making every effort to mind rape him for years.
Sure, he broke in the end, but he held up pretty well

Reminder that the only approved Tolkien was the LotR trilogy and every and I do mean literally everyone hated the Hobbit and everything else to follow.

I'm more interested in how they explain Celebrimbor even being able to become a wraith in the first place.

Apparently I'm wrong:

"Shelob was born during the Elder Days, to the spider-like demon Ungoliant"

Taken from Tolkien getaway, which is somewhat reliable.

No, she's Ungoliant's daughter.

BUT Ungoliant wasn't a Maiar. She was an ambiguous monstrosity from the dark beyond the world.

source?

I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>model Shelob after a fucking pornstar
>make her a dindu ""GOOD GUY""
>sell it to people for $60
>"hey buy our lootcrates too"
Super.

that's retarded, you're retarded

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The hobbits movies are canon. The Shadow of Mordor serie is, as you say, meant to just be fanfictions in which a shade somehow resists a fucking god's willpower before taking on an entire country by himself.

Also, Shelob is unable to discuss or even think. She can make plans, but ultimately, she's just a monster who wants to eat, sleep and be merry.