Guilliman: a great statesman and logistics genius

>Guilliman: a great statesman and logistics genius
>Vulcan: a perpetual, a great smith
>Ferrus Manus: a great smith and engineer
>Lion: a primarch
>Khan: a primarch
>Dorn: master of fortifications
>Sanguinius: a primarch
>Corax: master of stealth

>Horus: greatest primarch
>Lorgar: a primarch
>Curze: a primarch
>Perturabo: master of seiges
>Alpharius: master of secrecy
>Angron: a primarch
>Magnus: master sorcerer
>Mortsrion: a primarch
>Fulgrim: a primarch

Half of them have no special distinguishing abilities aside from being demigods of war, or having wings/being crazy/not giving a fuck, which are traits of character not of a leader of an unstoppable army of super soldiers.

>Curze: a primarch
also great at terror tactics

>khan
good at lightning assaults

>lorgar
philosopher and statesman, great at pacifying/converting worlds

Khan is great and going fast is the best gimmick, you fucking pleb.

I wonder if they left two Primarchs MIA because they had no idea what to do with them considering they were clearly struggling what to do with the existing ones.

Just shows that you don't know shit about 40k.
ALL of them have distinguishing attributes.

This
OP is a fucking idiot.

Like ferrus manus. hes fuckin ded

>dat feel when Lion was definitely the most socially awkward Primarch because he grew up among monsters and was effectively a feral child

Funny how, in a sense, he was just as socially inept as the Emperor was by just not getting how people might not understand everything he was doing or believed in. Lost half of his legion over it.

I...I've never noticed how seductively Manus was looking at the camera before. What was he thinking when this picture was taken?

Being a great statesmen or a master of sieges has impact on being a general a superhuman army. Having wings or being a drunk viking doesn't.

he was also the first and probably the least genetically tempered one to deviate from emperor's sample.

The Lion was a tactical genius whose win record was only eclipsed by Horus. He was just cripplingly autistic.

The Khan was a lightning assault specialist, a conqueror.

Lorgar was a master wordsmith.

Sanguinius embodies the Emperor's soul, he was essentially the closest to a successor. One thing all The Primarchs agreed on was that he was the best of them.

And so on.

Angron I will give you only because we don't really know what his original purpose or feature would be, the Nails robbed him of that.

His growth was also on a death world infested by Chaos. And he never even thought of turning. Definitively the most loyal.

Sanguinus was one of the most charismatic and beloved of the Primarchs, and was the runner up for the position of Warmaster and was an awe inspiring leader. Russ and his Legion represent the solution to protecting the Imperium from the barbarity and unpredictability of the Galactic Fringes, something that even Golden Age humanity had a rough time dealing with, by fighting with fire with fire, while still showing great empathy and respect for the little people trying their best to deal with shitty situations.

>while still showing great empathy and respect for the little people trying their best to deal with shitty situations.
This describes neither the Lion or Russ.

I wasn't talking about Lion at all, he was clearly much more cool headed and logical. Russ however clearly showed empathy for the people of the Imperium, particularly during the Horus Heresy as the Space Wolves insisted on helping stranded worlds fend off Chaos incursions when the Dark Angels wanted to B-line for Terra. After Russ' disappearance the Space Wolves' chapter culture of actually giving a shit has grown to the point of pushing them into civil war against a cruel and uncaring Imperium and Inquisition.

>Lion: a primarch
Also the greatest general to has ever lived. Great swordsman as well
>Khan: a primarch
Hit and run tactics
>Sanguinius: a primarch
Actualy one of the few without distinction, but it was mostly because he was pretty much the Emperor 2.0, and the Emperor had the qualities of all primarchs.
>Lorgar: a primarch
Also diplomat and great orator.
>Curze: a primarch
Terror tactics and enforcer of law. Had things been different, he would be the best primarch to keep the Imperium in order.
Kind of a inquisitorial primarch if you think about it.
>Angron: a primarch
He and his legion always had a horrible lore. He's supposed to be a cartoonish primarch.
>Mortarion: a primarch
The Death Guard are the kind of legion that goes into battle in terrains that even other marines can't.
>Fulgrim: a primarch
Well, someone need to understand the beauties of life.

>while still showing great empathy and respect for the little people trying their best to deal with shitty situations.
Say that to the avenians when they tried to surrender...
Even Magnus thought Russ went to far.

>Terror tactics and enforcer of law. Had things been different, he would be the best primarch to keep the Imperium in order.

Curze would've probably made current Inquisition seem like child's play if he got his way.

Lion: The Knight
Fulgrim: The Artist
Perturabo: The Logistician
Khan: The Hunter
Russ: The Warrior
Dorn: The Soldier
Curze: The Vigilante
Sanguinius: The Angel
Ferrus: The Engineer
Angron: The Gladiator
Gulliman: The Administrator
Mortarion: The Farmer
Magnus: The Sorcerer
Horus: The Predator
Lorgar: The Demagogue
Vulkan: The Smith
Corax: The Partizan
Alpharius: The Spy

So why was Horus chosen as Warmaster over Sanguinius?

I agree save for Russ....fukin yiff fagot mutant with no brain but a mug of ale.

I always thought it was so that you could make a generic your dudes chapter and claim they were from one of the two missing legions if you didn't want to tie them to pre-existing lore.

because Big E knew Horus the longest and thought he could trust him

Lion: Master of Alien conquest and genocide. The beast slayer, the Knight.

Fulgrim: Master of combined arms and timing. The artistry of war in its full scope. The Artist.

Perturabo: Attrition and siege warfare specialty, where materiel and systems of supply are more important than the soldiers themselves. The logistician.

Khan: lightning and persuit warfare specialty. Hunting down partisans or keeping up with fast moving opponents. The Hunter.

Russ: Restrained savagery. Unstoppable when on their terms. The skillful application of destruction and conquest. The Warrior.

Dorn: Master of defensive warfare and void warfare. The dispassionate professional. The soldier.

Curze: Master of terror, psychological warfare and punitive action. Justice through the application of such methods. The vigilante.

Sanguinius: Master of interdiction intervention warfare. Restrained application of extreme martial prowess. The savior, the Angel.

Ferrus: Master of armored warfare and pitched battles. His battles behaving like a mechanical timepiece. The engineer.

Angron: Master of genocidal campaigns and frontal assaults. Unbridled application of extreme martial prowess. No holds barred... The Gladiator.

It was, way back in the days of Rogue Trader. The whole "mysterious story" shite was created as an in-universe reason decades later.

>Russ: a primarch
Russ, and by extension his legion, were designed to be the Emperors attack dogs and executioners.
>Curze: a primarch \
Like most people have said, Curze was supposed to be the lawman of the Imperium. The judge above all judges. Had he not been sent were he was and had learned properly, he wouldn't have been nearly as batshit insane. Most tragic of the traitor primarchs.
>Angron: a primarch
....Honestly, I think he was supposed to be the spearhead. While the Lion was a great general, Aangron would have been the man leading the charge, but this is speculation of course because the nails change everything. What he was though was the butcher, for when overwhelming force was needed what better tool is there then Aggron.
>Mortarion: a primarch
Tough as nails, sometimes all there is no tactical way of winning a fight there is only attrition. What was he supposed to do outside of war? Who the fuck knows. I feel like Mortarion's purpose, much like Angron's, was something his home world and upbringing deprived him of. That being said I really don't care about Morty much so I haven't read much of his lore.
>Fulgrim: a primarch
Fulgrim was designed to advance the arts and culture of the Imperium. Fighting is all well in good but they don't enrich the lives of the people like the arts.

because warmaster isn't really the emperor's successor or anything, it was more like his proxy aka someone who could handle all the shit big E usually handled for his primarchs. I think sanguinius simply lacked some of the edge horus had, even though horus heresy potrays horus as a more level headed individual turning to diplomacy whenever possibly. I like the theory that lion was meant to be the emperor's true successor, but taking and into you can tell lion got broken on the inside at some point. loyal and incorruptible as fuck, but he lost connection with his fellow humans and no one could live up to his insane standards.

>dat death world survivor stare

Gulliman: The master of doctrine. Victory comes because of adherence to hierarchy, proven methods, and orders of battle. The administrator.

Mortarion: The master of infantry tactics and harsh condition or zone mortalis warfare. Axiom of Self reliance and hardiness, The Farmer.

Magnus: Master of the application of psychic powers to augment military strategy, tactics, and the application of force. The sorcerer.

Horus: master of overwhelming lightning assaults to bring the killing blow. Instinctive, talented. The Predator.

Lorgar: Master of ideology and the destruction of the enemy's faith. Strip the belief of an enemy and you strip the cause of the enemy. The demagogue.

Vulkan: The master of quality over quantity warfare. The equipment and soldiers must be made of sterner stuff. The Smith.

Corax: The master of asymmetric warfare. Lightning strikes behind enemy lines, leadership kill/capture missions. The Partisan.

Alpharius: Master of subterfuge and misdirection. The enemy has lost before the attack is committed. The Spy.

nice summary, user

Yes. Inquisition is pretty much the plan B.
Night Lords would be much more able to prevent renegades from happening

Its to symbolise the lost legions of rome or atleast thats what a GW employee mate of mine said to me

>loyal and incorruptible as fuck, but he lost connection with his fellow humans and no one could live up to his insane standards.
If you think about it, the Emperor is exactly the same.
Most of the Imperium problems came from the Emperor's inability to understand other humans.
In The Last Church it's said that Emperor could not comprehend the human need of faith

I think Emperor understood the need for faith just fine. He also realized how Warp operated and didn't want to become one of the gods through belief, even if it was essentially God of Humanity or something. He just took the wrong approach to suppress it and did basically nothing to help his image of being a god in everything but his own denial of the fact.

Why are you leaving off the best?

Wrong. Fabius says Dorn is closest to the Emperor. Lion also carries the gay gene.

>Lion also carries the gay gene
That's why he's the most like the emperor

>Master of Alien conquest and genocide
Lion wasnt even present at the Rangdon Xenocide. His legion and Russ' wolves did that while he was still pussyfooting around on Caliban.

Curze had a similar upbringing and issues relating to his brothers.

Funnily enough, they were prime rivals during the Heresy.

I think Big E left Lion's test tube in the centrifuge a little too long. Literally made him a retard.

Lion got fucked up by raising himself on a death world before he was actually found by other people. You don't really walk away from something like that and we can only guess what he was supposed to be like.

Leaving the nails in Angron was a dick move.

Because the Emperor found Horus first.

To be fair that's not a hit against him.

That campaign was a fucking disaster and is implied to have wiped out one of the lost legions.

I don't think it was a disaster, more of a success, it's just the brutality of the campaign and commitment by humanity to win that was so impactful. Had the campaign been successful, the impression is given that the future of imperium was at stake.

Weren't there 3 of those campaigns anyway? The Lion wasn't present for any of them?

Not been successful*

>That campaign was a fucking disaster
It's true the Xenocides were a bloodbath, but that might not have been down to Imperial mismanagement. Given that the existence of the Rangdan provoked the Xana II deal and the creation of the Ordo Sinister, and is constantly described as an apocalyptic battle for the survival of the Imperium, the gutting a couple of legions and possibly exterminating a third might really have the best anyone could do.

That said, I agree that it's hardly the Lion's fault Caliban hadn't been found at the time.

Couldn't take them out without killing best boy Angron. In the end Angron did nothing wrong.

>the Angel

what role is that? what is one supposed to do as "the Angel"?

>the Predator
>the Partizan
>the Farmer

wat

>what role is that? what is one supposed to do as "the Angel"?
To be a figurehead, a paragon, an ideal to aspire to.

Alternatively a savior or a protector also

Partisan. Freedom fighter, insurgent, assymetric warfare fighter.

Go to bed, Jung

The Predator.... his legions and himeself operate like an apex predator. Type a personalities, competition. instinct and talent as user said. Their method of an overwhelming killing blow could be likened to the final bite or wound inflicted on game by a predator. Like a lion suffocating a wildebeast with its jaws or the bite of a snake or whatever. I what he's saying. Heck, the eye of Horus is more or less the eye of a predator.

>Guilliman: a great statesman and logistics genius
>Vulcan: a perpetual, a great smith
>Ferrus Manus: a great smith and engineer
>Lion: a Champion
>Khan: an adventurer, in the sense of explorer
>Dorn: master of fortifications
>Sanguinius: A figurehead and Paragon to aspire to
>Corax: master of stealth
>Russ: supposed to be the watchmen for his brothers, but gets his shit handed to him everytime he does anything, so maybe he's supposed to wear a maid uniform and pose for the furries and weebs of the 30th millenium?

>Horus: greatest primarch
>Lorgar: Greatest at winning hearts and minds
>Curze: The nasty side of the secrecy/stealth trio
>Perturabo: master of seiges
>Alpharius: master of secrecy
>Angron: Who knows, he was broken before he did anything. Probably the Blitzkrieger, judging by his legion's procivities before they found him
>Magnus: master sorcerer
>Mortsrion: a big guy
>Fulgrim: Another paragon to aspire to

So you're saying that Lorgar was a cunning linguist while Guilliman was more of a master debater?

>Mfw I realized the Slaanesh symbol is "OK" diagonally

Magnus spotted

Nah, just anyone sensible.

>Fulgrim: an artist, musician and poet
Not even hard.

I would have said undertaker, but I could totally see farmer. The scythe of the grim reaper is an agrarian tool meant to represent the harvesting of a soul. Mortarion does indeed promote self sufficiency, practicality, and toughness within the death guard as well as upholding those traits himself. Combined with the scythe thing, they are traits that could be associated with archetype of the hardy farmer.

If it makes you feel better, Robby G and friends made Sanguinius ruler of Imperial Secondus because he was the best for the job of the remaining loyalists.

Eventually Sanguinius became frustrated with rule, and had one of his sons step in and pretend to be him while he went back to doing as the Primarch do.

>Alpharius: master of secrecy
user...

>Dorn finally has an achievement and Dormfags cant stop gloating
He killed Alpharius the literal who of the Primarchs stfu already.

>inb4 Alphafag
No just sick of this shit being spammed in every thread like its the best thing to ever happen.

>Big E who can make literal miracles happen can't remove some fucking spikes in his son's braincage

>Lorgar: a primarch
No, he was able to mold entire worlds by just using rethoric and diplomacy. He was able to fashion the religion who basically dominated the whole galaxy for the next 9k years. It took the Emperor himself to stop his religious preaching. He was the guy who created the Imperial Cult and the Horus Heresy.

>He killed Alpharius the literal who of the Primarchs stfu already.
Alpharius got outthought and outfought by an autistic banana. Master of secrecy my ass.

U L T R A - R A P I D

He was an autist. The guy walked around inside the most blinged golden armor one could find, had 3 meters or something, even more, exuded that glamor aura that made normal humans shit their pants, created an army of basically immortal demi-gods.
And then "I'm not a god"...

>Why bother learning the facts when i can just shout out my opinions
Look into euthanasia.

Because Sanguinius didn't want the job, either. Sanguinius doesn't trust himself, because he's secretly afraid that he's a mutant.

As a side note, Sanguinius's wings are something that have always confused me. You think they would make a really, really obvious target, because they're not armored! More, he's capable of lifting himself when he's in full armor, which seems to weigh several tonnes.

This means that his wings are FUCKING STRONG. If he hit you with them, your bones would crumple.

Exactly so stop claiming its an important feat. Alpharius dying is so irrelevant that its created and mentioning in just one BL novel. Big woop Dornfags.

If it wasn't for Dorn Terra would be lost.

The World Eaters were already known for aggressive, tenacious, self-sacrificial assaults before they met Angron, which is why the Emperor called them his War Hounds. The Nails took their tendencies and exaggerated them to destructive extremes, and made the assault the point instead of the assault's objective.

So lorgar is the parallel of girlyman?

Word bearers confirmed eastern roman empire?

Fulgrim was FABULOUS as fuck, but also subscribed to achieving perfection in all things which was usually seen as arrogance by others in him and his Legion. You could see his downfall from a mile away.

>Guilliman: a great statesman and logistics genius
>Vulcan: a perpetual, a great smith
>Ferrus Manus: a great smith and engineer
>Lion: The template all other Primarchs were based on. The Prototype
>Khan: Master of maneuver warfare and speed
>Dorn: master of fortifications
>Sanguinius: The symbol of the Astartes, inspiration given form. Potentially was meant to be the greatest Primarch by design
>Corax: master of stealth
>Horus: greatest primarch by consequence
>Lorgar: The orator and propagandist, builder of civilizations
>Curze: Tool of terror
>Perturabo: master of seiges
>Alpharius: master of secrecy
>Angron: Master of close combat, shock troop
>Magnus: master sorcerer
>Mortsrion: Biological & attritional warfare
>Fulgrim: Ambition and perfection given form

Sang is for killing titans

Why dont you try reading the fluff before attempting to summarize the Primarchs? That would obviously help.

....yes, actually. I can't believe I never made that connection before.

>Lorgar: Master of Theology and Social Engineering.
Curze: Master of Terrorism
Khan: Master of Blitzkrieg


And you left Leman Russ off the list entirely.

>And you left Leman Russ off the list entirely.
For the best I think we can all agree.

>The Kahn confuses you
I gave you The Lion, but the kahn? the guy who loves going fast? he has no specialization?

I don't think going fast is really much of a characteristic. He's just a filler Primarch.

Weren't the Night Lords specifically supposed to be his Vengeance? Like, he was supposed to send the NL against shit he never wanted to see again because everyone would be too afraid to think about doing it.

Opposites:

Lion: Outright talent and skill, introverted.
Horus: Outright talent and skill, extroverted.

Fulgrim: Perfection and strength through embracing their humanity.
Ferrus: Perfection and strength through eschewing their humanity.

Perturabo: Genius yet passionate command of siege craft and fortifications.
Dorn: Genius yet dispassionate command of fortifications and void combat.

Khan: Bold, boisterous, what you see is what you get. A loner. Open minded.
Alpharius: Cautious, contemplative, insular. A loner. Open minded.

Russ: Strength through instinct, talent, and impetuousness.
Magnus: Strength through knowledge, skill, and prudence.

Curze: The punisher of worlds. The terrorist. Uses massacre to achieve goals.
Corax: the liberator of worlds. The freedom fighter. Avoids massacre to achieve goals.

Sanguinius: Restrained outright martial prowess.
Angron: Unbridled outright martial prowess.

Gulliman: Leadership and success by example, doctrine, and reason. The debator.
Lorgar: Leadership and success by faith, ideology, and emotion. The orator.

Mortarion: Toughness through self sufficiency, practicality, personal responsibility, and indoctrination.
Vulkan: toughness through self sufficiency, practicality, personal responsibility, and understanding.

Russ was literally raised by wolves on a more extreme death world and turned into one of the better primarchs so it not really an excuse for the Lion growing up to be a giant piece of shit.

Go to bed lion fucker

No. Russ was the Emperors most trusted son. Kys

That was Leman Russ. He was the sanction, Sevatar amd Kharn both muse over why the Woves are his sanction over the NL and World Eaters and their Primarchs. Although in Lorgar's vision when he was discovered both the Wolves and Night Lords eradicated his legion.

they're not a target because they're so strong

Because he wasn't fighting or being tempted by Chaos all day every day.

How was the Loin being tempted by Calibanite Lions?

they touched him in bad places

Seems like world eaters and night lords were for punishing noncompliant worlds. Space Wolves for punishing noncompliant legions.

Apharius was as much of a master of secrecy as the riddler is a master of villainy.

They all have their fortes, but their defects are their undoing.

Wait until you count how many legions were lost at teutoburg, and why.

Obviously they flaunted their glorious mane in front of him, and their predatory movements suggested a promise of power if he were to gave in.

Thats exactly what the Wolves were for.

Angron was designed to be the most bro-tastic, bro-loyalty of the Primarchs. Look at how much the WH/WEs valued being bros before (and even during) he Nailed them.