Do we all agree that when a character becomes hideously transformed, that it counts as a player death?

Depends on the transformation

I mean, in WFRP if you become a Chaos Spawn, yes, it counts as (worse than) death.

In BC hitting 100% corruption and turning into a chaos spawn still counts as death (or at least roll a new character since the old one is unplayable).

I've always felt that transforming your player's character into something and then taking control of it away from them was a really pussy and non-committal way of doing it. If it's no longer their responsibility, it kind of detracts from the horror. They should at least be able to control it on the side in addition to a new, more normal character.

But at the same time, people will also feel that they have a "ruined' character that's impossible to use.

Like in that Wick trick - sit in prison and stare at the wall? Way to lose your players.

>do we all agree
Where do you think you are, citizen?

>paranoia dm

you *don't* run over your players with busses?

If you don't want to play a character anymore, don't.

Depends on if I can keep playing it or not, honestly.

That's quite a transformation. What's the source?

This.

Made in Abyss, I think?

youtube.com/watch?v=rALllpklvXQ

>laughing tzimisces.gif

She turned into a pizza?

She turned into a carpet

her friend wears her as a cape, i think.

Trips were wasted on your dumbass question

What the fuck is it about exactly? All I know is that it sounds unpleasantly dark. I'm ok with things being dark, but the many minor unpleasant things, such as torture and the reminder that everyone poops, are what repel me from delving.

Do you consider experimentation unpleasant?

the ebtire world has been explored, except this island with a gigantic 10.000 + meter hole in the middle. there are strange artifacts of some unknown civilization and dangerous creatures in this hole.
the deeper you go into it, the bigger the prize the bigger the danger.
there is also a kind of strange phenomena, if you attempt to ascend back up your body gets hit with terrible stuff (think divers that ascend too quick). at 6000+ meters if you attempt to ascend back up your body will mutate horrifically as you can see here

From what I can tell it's about a world where there's this big hole full of ancient treasures and technology, but the further you go down in it, the greater your chance of being fucked up by a horrible curse on your way back up is. There's an organization that wants to delve further and experiments on children to find ways of mitigating the curse or shifting it onto others, and the main character needs to get to the lowest level of the abyss for some reason.

What the Hell is with Japan these days and using cute animation styles to show horrible things?

It's roadside picnic with cute anime girls, what's not to like?

>There's an organization that wants to delve further and experiments on children

Just Bondrewd and his praying hands.

...are you actually upset that someone didn't instantly appreciate your flavor of the month anime?

The Abyss is a giant pit, centered in a small island in the middle of the ocean. So called Delvers explore the Abyss for magical artifacts and other treasures, which are then sold for massive profit or kept for themselves to further their explorations. The farther down you go into the Abyss, the more dangerous the environment gets and the more powerful the artifacts become. There's also a curse on the place that activates if you begin to travel up, causing nausea and vertigo on shallow levels and progressively becoming worse the farther down you go (the OP is an example of one of these effects). The focus of the story is on a girl named Riko who wants to travel to the bottom of the Abyss to find her mother.

The important thing to remember when reading Made In Abyss is that it doesn't pull punches. It's a grand adventure with some very likable protagonists but they're still just kids (mostly) and they're still delving into the most dangerous environment this side of Hell itself. There's a lot of /comfy/ in MiA and a lot of fun and adventuring and discovery along the way but the Abyss is fucking dangerous and will fucking kill you horribly if you don't respect it.

There are also some real sickos who choose to become Delvers, as you might except of a vocation that requires you to bleed from every orifice from time to time.

F.E.T.I.S.H. M.A.N.G.A.

Which is sad since the starting concept is interesting. But all of it has been wasted in loli torture porn. Fuck you, Japan.

> loli torture porn

categorically untrue, the shota also gets tortured as much as any of the lolis

To me the factors are A: is the personality altered, B: can the new form roll dice or affect the game in any way, and C: does the player still want to keep going with the transformed character.

If A and B are both true, it depends on whether or not C is true. If B is false, whether or not C is true, they're out.

Druid are not that bad.

yandere moth has such a good character design. Can't wait to see where the story goes with her.

This looks...interestingly sci-fi grimdark. What is it?

>loli torture porn
NEVER MIND. Holy fuck, I thought it was just weird sci-fi shit with Adeptus Mechanicus levels of "the flesh is weak" and cyborg stuff, not...whatever the fuck that is.

Made In Abyss

It isn't actually porn user (though Riko's talk about anatomy is pretty true-to-life considering she's effectively a dirt poor street urchin).

I don't think it actually contains any porn, that user is being hyperbolic. It's just something guro fetishists probably would get off on.

So if it ISN'T torture porn, then what the hell is it, other than "somewhat disturbing?"

It's a fantasy adventure manga where a couple of kids literally travel into the Abyss, which comes with all the fun and baggage that implies. It's only been spelled out like three times.

So, it’s basicaly vertical Roadside Pickick with kids?

It is torture porn for guro fetishists though.

>with all the fun and baggage that implies

It could have been... but it is not. Sorry user.
Read it at your own risk.

I haven't read Roadside Picnic, but judging from the synopsis you're not far off.

Its pretty much gore porn in the same vein as Gantz, Space Nigger Cockroaches or Akame ga Kill only this one has moe~moe~ art style and features predominantly horrible shit happening to children instead of teens and adults.

Basically its the usual animu flavour of the season which puts style over substance.

No, no it's not. Read some Strougatski before drawing such silly paralels, user.
Also, watch Tarkovsky's Stalker while you are at it. ffs.

>I haven't read Roadside Picnic

Well what are you waiting for, Stalker? Get on with it.

Well Roadside Picnic is good, so there's that major difference.
And the horrors in MiA are very obvious and easy to understand in comparison to the extremely odd and incomprehensible dangers of The Zone.
Also watch Stalker, because it's one of those edge cases in films of novels where it's both very different from it's source but also very good because it captures a lot of what made the novel so good without being the novel rehashed.

user, torture porn is about presentation instead of just content. A lot of horrifying and disgusting shit does happen in MiA, but it's treated as a fact of life and consequence of the nature of the setting, so it always carries weight and isn't focused on to the point of fetishistic gratuity.

However, it's a thin line to walk and a lot of people refuse to try and see the value of the difference.

I'm hesitant to call it gore porn as the gore doesn't come until later in the series. The first part is distinctly happy-go-lucky kids having a good time, unlike any of the other manga you mentioned. The gore is also short lived and used sparingly to show the Abyss is dangerous. I can at most think of 4 different instances of gore in the 70 or so chapters of the manga unlike Gantz, Terraformars, or Akame where the gore count is extremely high in the first few chapters.

>The first part is distinctly happy-go-lucky kids having a good time
I wouldn't quite say so. The undercurrent of danger was always there and the very premise of the adventure is that of a child going to a journey of no return in hopes of meeting someone who is most likely long dead. MiA was always somewhat macabre and the setting and culture represented the obsessive insanity of those who explore the abyss without hiding the direction it would eventually take.

It just didn't need to rely on gore and violence to establish that and keep the theme up until the MCs luck finally ran out and they were faced full force with the cruel nature of the Abyss.

Not to deny the joy of adventure of course. As Lyze pointed out, the Abyss is also a source of many great miracles and grand adventures, which is what makes it worth exploring in the first place and drove so many to dedicating their entire lives to it. But it was never purely happy-go-lucky.

Not unless it affects them mentally. If they're still capable of sapient, or near-sapient thought then there's no reason the player can't keep playing as a monster-character.

> this nigga things he's funny

Level one seems like a comfy place to live if you're cool with defending your house from murderspiders, giant flying fucksnakes and the like from time to time.

>but it's treated as a fact of life and consequence of the nature of the setting, so it always carries weight and isn't focused on to the point of fetishistic gratuity.

And then the girl, drawn to look like she's six years old, got naked again. Or they went into some detail about how the likewise six years old looking robot got sexually abused. Etc.

A shame really, the abyss itself seems intriguing.

That part is just Japan, honestly. Non-sexual nudity isn't really a thing to shake a stick at over there (and honestly, nobody normal is gonna sexualize a naked kid who's just taking a bath or doesn't have spare clothes and needs them washed or whatever so whatever). As for the robot thing, I think that falls into "it's okay if it's a boy/fictional character/robot" bullshit, not agreeing but again, Japan.

But yeah stealing the Abyss as a concept for a TTRPG would be a 10/10 plan.

The author is a confirmed loli/shotacon

Well then, fuck the author.

The setting is fresh, fun and full of things we can tear apart, inspect for quality and reassemble into our own giant dungeon dimension games.

>Well then, fuck the author.
Why?

And try to answer this question without forcing your colonialist-imperialist western values on the rest of us.

I'll give you an actual answer even though this is bait.
Because, thanks to our "colonialist-imperialist western values", we find paedophilia disgusting (and this isn't something limited to western values in any way) and so don't want to support a proponent of it nor consume media influenced by it.

What the fuck is this.

A failed constitution save.

Can we all agree that Bonedaddy did nothing wrong?

>I'll give you an actual answer even though this is bait.

If anything your whole reply is bait.

You know since:
>its not paedophilia
>Its not a proponent of pedophilia
>Nor is it influenced by it

Its fiction. By your braindead and mentally handicapped definition every piece of fiction that contains nude children is paedophilia including Nabkovs Lolita.
Its like you SJWs are so far removed from reality that you cant tell between what is real and what is fiction anymore.

>lolicon = pedophilia

If it's sapient and the player wants to continue playing as the same character, and the other characters agree to keep the now-transformed character in the party, then sure. Makes for great roleplay. Otherwise, have him make a new character.

Riko is 12 and Reg is around the same place mentally due to his amnesia. That's about the point where kids generally get their first idea of sexuality, so there's nothing particularly taboo about not shying away from that aspect of character and relationship-building (which it is mostly used for). The characters are immature and they react to this stuff in immature ways, so it's fine.

>it counts as a player death
Black Leaf, noooo!

btw they are officialy 12 in the series. dont know if that changes anything

muh thousand year old vampire
Although not quite on the same level, and still pretty creepy if they're 12.

FICTIONAL 12 year olds. They are not real people.

I think he's referring to the fact that hitting 100 corruption in all the other 40k games causes your character to turn to chaos, essentially turning them into BC characters.

>lolicon != pedophilia
Why are weebs such delusional degenerates?

>b-but it's fiction!
Doesn't matter. Even if it doesn't hurt anyone (and is thus tolerable, at the most), jerking off to drawn shit still makes you a scatfag.
Jerking off to drawn children still makes you a pedo.
It's tolerable, because it's just fantasy, but you're still fucked in the head.

You're still a freak for jerking off to it.

>Jerking off to drawn children still makes you a pedo.
Considering drawn children are basically nothing like real ones, there's a lot of ways one can dispute that claim.

I vaugly remember a study involving admitted lolicons and pedos who got locked up for fiddling with kids
There was almost no crossover between what images they found attractive

source?
It's not that I don't believe you, I'm genuinely interested

They aren't the same
What is with retards trying to tell me what I'm attracted to?

Like I said, only vaguely remember it, sorry

Worse, actually. Thats a PASS. A fail in that case would have been her dying outright, and her friend suffering the same fate as a result.

Mitty took a double dose of the curse to save another.

Is someone who fucks real women going to necessarily find giant anime tiddies to be just as attractive?
Is some NEET who jerks exclusively to 2d going to find 3dpd to be as attractive?

>Considering drawn children are basically nothing like real ones
And yet you just admitted they're children. They look the same, in general.
That's why you're fucked in the head.
Yeah, they're not real and no one gets hurt, and that's why your deviancy is tolerable, but you're still fucked in the head.

They are the same, at least in (stylized) appearance.
It's like saying that a drawn apple isn't the same as a real apple; no shit, they aren't, but they're both apples. Don't be a pedantic faggot.
>What is with retards trying to tell me what I'm attracted to?
Because it's what you're attracted to, and the constant attempts at mental gymnastics are getting annoying.

>They are the same
They aren't, retard.
I'm literally telling you, as someone who has fapped to both, they are not the same.
Fucking idiot.
>mental gymnastics are getting annoying.
I don't need mental gymnastics. I know which is gives the better orgasms and more interesting to look at.

Again, stop telling other people who know what they are talking about and have experience on the subject you know better than them.

>Doesn't matter.
Of course it does because it proves that that you cannot tell the different between reality and fiction.

>Even if it doesn't hurt anyone
So you are saying its a THOUGHTCRIME then?

>Jerking off to drawn children still makes you a pedo.
Its not jerking off to drawn children, its jerking off to characters that never existed, do not exist and will never exist.

>It's tolerable, because it's just fantasy, but you're still fucked in the head.
Thats what you think. I think you are fucked in the head for desperately clinging to 3D when it has been proven time and time again that real women aren't worthy of companionship.

You are a freak that cannot differentiate between a real people and a fictional people and thus a bigger danger to his environment than I will ever be, user.

You are all murderers because you kill fictional people. It doesn't matter that it's not real because the desire was still there so clearly you're in danger of killing real people too.

>I know which is gives the better orgasms and more interesting to look at.
and that would be?

They're fine if they look fuckable

>They aren't, retard.
But they are, user :^)
You're a pedophile whether you jerk to drawn children or whether you diddle real kids.
It's just pedophilia isn't a crime, but diddling real kids is.

>I don't need mental gymnastics. I know which is gives the better orgasms and more interesting to look at.
So you're saying you've jerked off to both real and drawn kids, thus allowing you to draw a comparison?

>Of course it does because it proves that that you cannot tell the different between reality and fiction.
How does this at all make sense? I've stated that ones real and ones fictional multiple times, but either makes you a pedophile.
Have you tried not being retarded, user?

>So you are saying its a THOUGHTCRIME then?
I never said it was a crime, only that you're a digusting degenerate :^)

>Its not jerking off to drawn children, its jerking off to characters that never existed, do not exist and will never exist.
Characters that never existed, do not exist, and will never exist... and are also children.

>Thats what you think. I think you are fucked in the head for desperately clinging to 3D when it has been proven time and time again that real women aren't worthy of companionship.
kek

>You are a freak that cannot differentiate between a real people and a fictional people and thus a bigger danger to his environment than I will ever be, user.
I love this meme, honestly.
>"You're fucking disgusting for jerking off to drawn kids"
>What? You think drawn kids are the same as real kids?
>"No; they're both kids, but one is drawn, and one is real, like I just said. You're disgusting because you're jerking off to kids, you just have the decency to do it to fake ones."

Where did I say they were in danger of fucking real kids, user? I'm sure these lovely degenerates have the mental fortitude to keep their desires in check, and it seems a few of them have trained themselves to only like 2d.
Besides, murder isn't sexual, and even still in most games there's significant reason for the killing. Perhaps it's bandits trying to rob you, or you're fighting in a war.
I would even say that playing full murderhobo is acceptable, since it's roleplaying.
You do roleplay, don't you user? You don't -just- play yourself in games, right?

>this thread

>And yet you just admitted they're children. They look the same, in general.
But user, you were the one one to call them "drawn children" and now you see it as an admission of guilt because he is using YOUR words?
You used it here >Jerking off to drawn children still makes you a pedo.
Shit I guess that makes you a pedo too.

>That's why you're fucked in the head.
No Mr. Toughtcrime, the only one fucked in the head here is you. In fact you sound like a real danger to society.

>Yeah, they're not real and no one gets hurt
Then there is no problem anymore, is there?
Being called fucked in the head by someone who is way more fucked in the head is very ironic. Do you see the irony, user?

>They are the same, at least in (stylized) appearance. It's like saying that a drawn apple isn't the same as a real apple; no shit, they aren't, but they're both apples.
How do you know that?
Is it okay to be attracted to children if they look more like real people or less?
Where is the line?
Does fapping to stick figures make me a pedoühile too?
What if someone is attracted to sanic?
What about Mickey Mouse?
We do not know their ages after all.
Is that a free pass?

>Don't be a pedantic faggot.
But you already are the pedantic faggot by telling everyone "ITS JUST THE SAME AND WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN!!??"

>the constant attempts at mental gymnastics are getting annoying.
The levels of projection we are reaching are absolutely amazing. Are you even aware of your own words and actions in this conversation?

Is this what permanent attribute drain looks like?