Stop playing humans, Veeky Forums

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Stop playing humans, Veeky Forums. You're one in real life, do something more exciting and unique next game.

All urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/YIfFyJaw0NM
overlordmaruyama.wikia.com/wiki/Albedo
d20srd.org/srd/spells/transformation.htm

askme
askme

Only reason why I'm even posting thread is to say is albedo is a pure white hearted semen demon.

Nojokur
Nojokur

You're one in real life

It's kind of you to say that.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Stop playing non humans. Try to create an actual character instead of falling on racial stereotype and false uniqueness through mary sue races next game

5mileys
5mileys

Yes and? Narcissism is a hell of a drug
Don't forget to sage kids

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Whoever wrote this is a dumb nigger

Flameblow
Flameblow

Now now, it's simply an opinion, and doesn't consider humanoids to be "monsters."

Therefore, it's just as legitimate to that writer to have a party of kobolds as it is a party of humans.

SniperWish
SniperWish

HFY is a horrifying disease, we are hoping to find the cure one day. Please be patient anon.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

If I'm playing, I'm playing to win. Why wouldn't I play as the best race?

Supergrass
Supergrass

Boooring.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Well fuck you too

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

This guy explains at the outset that by monster he means a particularly powerful and broken character, and explicitly says there's nothing wrong with humanoids in a normal campaign and that playing as a dragon or something will require a particularly special campaign.

All of that is true today and nobody would argue against that. Instead, what people should strive for is something more adventurous than a party of short humans, thin humans and regular humans.

hurr durr so scaly humans and bug humans are that much better?

Yes, because they are more visually interesting and can be used in ways that normal humans can not.

If you refer to a dark-skinned human as a nigger, that's not comfortable for a lot of people to have in a game. But if you refer to a kobold or lizardman as a suitcase or give them the nickname "Boots" it's generally seen as alright, and you can have fun, racially charged banter that way, unlike with other humans or even humans with disabilities or deformities such as dwarves.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Which is more 'unique' - an exotic race that is exactly like me in terms of personality, or a human that is different from me in character and traits?

I would rather play a very standard race well, then push myself to be unique and special and end up with a character I don't care about at all and really don't know anything about, because all I did was slap on a different race name and stat bonus. Or worse, I overthink the inherent differences that would form with a dragonborn or some shit compared to a human, and I get something that's just utterly alien and that I don't actually want to play.

Escapism isn't just being different from myself in terms of body, but being different in terms of being a different person. Do you get what I mean when I say that?

Bidwell
Bidwell

That's from Gygax in the AD&D DMG. If you check OD&D he used to allow players to play as anything they wanted, and there's evidence there was at least one guy playing as balrog in Blackmoor, but as you can see on that pic he changed his tune after a few years

Snarelure
Snarelure

That sounds like your personal preference, anon.
Escapism isn't just being different from myself in terms of body, but being different in terms of being a different person. Do you get what I mean when I say that?
That's fine. If that's what you're comfortable playing, you can definitely try to take the bounds of humanity as far as they will go. Just don't shit on the folks trying to be a bit more creative.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You're one in real life

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

100% of the most interesting people I personally know, as well as know of, are human.

TechHater
TechHater

BUT I WANT TO PLAY THE MOOOOOONNNNNSSSSSTTTTEEERRR

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Mindflayer infant adopted by some sad cuck elf and raised in a backwater hamlet
rejoices when he wins the Harvest Cup with his best friends

JunkTop
JunkTop

changed his tune after playing a few years with people who played every little thing

GEE

I WONDER WHY

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You shouldn't play as a Balrog
is not the opposing argument to
Elves and hobbits are boring

One is a call for balanced game mechanics and one is a call for aesthetics and story content

massdebater
massdebater

Your shitting on the human olayers by insisting they aren't creative
What makes playing a non human character more "interesting" or "creative"? The fact that they aren't human? The racsim others may have against them? I purpose that anything a non human character can explore a human character can explore just as well.

idontknow
idontknow

I know, and I get that other people will feel different from me - maybe they never even played humans, always wanting to go for some sort of different race. There is something to be said for always wanting to explore uncharted territory and never wanting to just be the normal guy or the straight man, even as part of a buildup to something else.

But you would not believe how many people either want me to play something really out there and act offended that I don't want to or don't want to have my character changed drastically partway through the adventure by a spell or something. Or almost worse, people that don't care what I make and assume it's basically a self-insert of myself. You'd think I'm completely alone in how I feel.

cum2soon
cum2soon

I never really understood what drives some people toward playing exotic races. Whatever character traits you wish to express can be played as a human character also. I can't think of a single example where the unique physical characteristics, such as longevity or diminutiveness had any significant impact on characterization.

People play halflings because they want to be friendly and curious - humans can do that. People play dwarves because they want to be gruff and loyal - humans can do that. People play elves because they want to be wise and aloof - humans can do that. And so on.

I don't mind playing such races and don't have strong opinions either way, as long as you don't end up with the implausible motley circus party where everyone is his own brand of special snowflake (tiefling, aasimar, dragonborn, throw in some drow for good measure - but no human in sight, even though they make up 90% of the setting? At least try to explain how and why such a band could assemble).

TreeEater
TreeEater

I was just giving context to the image while the thread is still young, but now that you brought up balance, it's worth noting that you were allowed to play anything as long as you started about as weak as any other 1st level character or at least advanced in levels very slowly. That is exactly how the standard demi-humans were handled, too. The dwarf/elf/hobbit were all stronger than their human counterparts, but they had level limits, limited class choices and gained levels more slowly. The idea of a list of kosher player races that you are expected to strictly adhere to is an AD&Dism for the sake of standarization after Gygax grew tired of every

OD&D was basically freeform

Flameblow
Flameblow

ahur dur I can't handle the challenge of rping an alien mindset for more unique RP

me not have imagination

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

after Gygax grew tired of everyone playing wacky shit

Nojokur
Nojokur

I never really understood what drives some people toward playing exotic races.
Bonuses and general munchkin behavior is a strong candidate.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

But my character is the straight man of the party.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

That's from a multiplayer planescape RP server , lots of unique choices.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Rping an entirely different culture isn't an alien mindset
Jesus you're just as bad as the HFY people

WebTool
WebTool

Gorilla-face

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

not playing as a human
Low energy, desu. You should stop taking those estrogen pills.

girlDog
girlDog

What?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

b-but it's a conan game

massdebater
massdebater

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALBEDO YOU'RE NOTHING MORE THAN A FUCKING COCKSLEEVE FOR A BONEY SKELLINGTON WHO DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A COCK I'LL PLAY WHATEVER THE HELL I FUCKING PLEASE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT MAKE LIKE A SUCCUBUS AND SUCK MY DICK

likme
likme

Why would I want to play a meme?

Playboyize
Playboyize

A human cannot have the same mindset and goals as a devil. By saying play only humans you're completely losing just one of hundreds of avenues for rp and interaction. The planar races, rogue constructs, all of the great stuff planescape has to portray.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Stay salty, my snowflake.

Firespawn
Firespawn

So?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Stop playing humans, Veeky Forums. You're one in real life
you don't know that

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

You can play as a cold blooded human
You can play as a human with teeth and claws
You can play as a human with a tail
You can play as a human that can hold their breath for 20 minutes
you can play as a human that has digitigrade legs
You can play as a human that has a secondary set of arms that are small and vestigial but can help you do sneaky things
You can play as a human that has hard, synthetic skin that doesn't heal the same way other people do
You can play as a human in a culture with 8 fingers and thus lives in a base 8 society

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

You're one in real life

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Who the fuck is albedo?

MPmaster
MPmaster

if you aren't a human yet sapient enough to type then tell me where you are so that I may fuck you

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Most of those are only able to be used one way, evil, good, lawful, elf, dwarf, etc

Humans can be used in all those ways and more. There's a reason why the best races are equally as free (such as the vampires from VTM)

Nothing inherently wrong with playing other races but humans give me the roleplaying freedom I love.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

These are all superficial gimmicks. None of those tells me anything about what a person is about.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Most of those are only able to be used one way, evil, good, lawful, elf, dwarf, etc
That's objectively wrong, please consult your monster manual or dungeon master's guide for literally any edition

Evilember
Evilember

So you're saying that a person's physical qualities has no bearing on what sort of personality might develop?

Are you retarded?

RavySnake
RavySnake

No, and no. Mind your manners.

StonedTime
StonedTime

one in real life
implying im not jewish

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I understand what you're saying, but how many people probably really take that into account when they play a non-human?

Like, take an Argonian from TES. They can breathe underwater and it's hinted that they hatch from eggs and stuff, but you still play them like any other character, and that's even true in the lore outside of the games.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

You're right you know, whatever he thinks. Being cold blooded like lizardmen for example would completely change how a being would see the world and their personality.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Purge the xenos filth.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I think his point is that none of those are personality traits, and even though those who have them can be inclined to have particular kind of personality, you can still find that personality in humans.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

You don't interact with other PCs in elder scrolls. This is about roleplay.

Booteefool
Booteefool

You can play as a human with a gimmick

takes2long
takes2long

Being cold blooded like lizardmen for example would completely change how a being would see the world and their personality.
Such as?
"See you in a bit, gotta get me some warmth first" is not a compelling character trait. It's a curiosity that gets mentioned once and then becomes stale.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Stop playing animate objects

Playboyize
Playboyize

This line of thinking is so retarded.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Who are you to say what's a compelling character trait?

SniperWish
SniperWish

Why not just play white male? You are probably one, and whatever character traits you wish to express can be played as a white male character also.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

A human being with opinions?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

BORING opinions.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

And who are you to say it is
Who says i can't play a human witha special birth defect that only exist in this world that makes me cold blooded
Who says i can't play a inbred human with eight fingers
Whats the point of doing that
Why play a devil when i can play an evil human

likme
likme

Evil humans are literally currency and livestock to devils tho.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Everyone i disagree with is just boring and thus should be ignored
Everyone should play mary sue races because i find humans boring

SniperWish
SniperWish

So just power gaming
Why not rise up and make the devil your bitch
Sure it might be hard but it could be fun if your DM is cool with it

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Gygax was not in favor of predominantly demihuman parties, and the term humanoid exclusively referred to monsters until after WotC bought the IP.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Someone who has a bone to pick.

In all seriousness, a demon lady from an Iseki style anime where both the MMO the main character stuck in his avatar and the very not MMO fantasy world he finds himself shunted into run off of obviously D20 rules and magic.

Its called Overlord. You may have seen a webm or gif of around these parts of a skeleton buffing himself with magic about shitposting. That is an edit of a scene where the same skeleton is buffing himself with very familiar spells...

Or...at least familiar d20 era spells translated into japanese and then translated back into english.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Please do elaborate on the deep character ramifications of having a base 8 number system.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

You're one in real life,
No I'm not, I'm an american black

Soft_member
Soft_member

Nope demons are always demons, angels are always angels, etc.

If I'm playing a modron I'm playing a lawful stupid human.

There is nothing stopping me from playing a human who can do each and every one of those things.

The only monsters that are worth including are either completely free like humans (i.e. VTM vampires) or completely alien (ie the color from outer space)

viagrandad
viagrandad

So if a race has something unique about it's culture/role a human can't just copy, it's powergaming?

And I've had a lot of fun with other PCs trying to one up us baatezu players in contracts and etc, it creates lots of good plots.

Skullbone
Skullbone

People play elves because they want to be wise and aloof - humans can do that.
You can't be a human with a "lifetimes" worth of life experience and not be changed by debility of old age. humans can't do that.

RavySnake
RavySnake

for reference

whereismyname
whereismyname

how have you managed this?

Illusionz
Illusionz

When the options are human, short human, pointy eared human, ugly human, and animal person (that thinks and behaves like a human), why shouldn't I pick the one that's at least honest about it?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

playing a human with a superspeshul mutation giving them 8 fingers or cold blood is fine
but playing a nonhuman is being a special snowflake

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

39x21

Inmate
Inmate

It's called walking into a high mana area, or having dragon lineage.

Plus what bonuses do 3 extra lifetimes give you? Most elves seem to be less wise than a 40 year old human.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I too want to know how you managed this wondrous bit of sorcery...was this an attempted Export of the webm into a gif with too tightly constrained dimensions?

I mean I appreciated someone posting it for reference because I couldn't find it so quickly...but wow this is just a fascination.

I mix it up. I mean I usually play humans but I on occasion head into Dwarf Town or something more exotic. Its more about jumping into unfamiliar cultures for me, so if the setting has cool stuff that I feel a bit removed from I'll jump all over it.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

meta shitposting a meta shitpost webm

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Preach

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

The best way to experience exotic cultures is from a familiar mindset. Play a character you easily identify with, and then go explore.

cum2soon
cum2soon

That's some good shit, but it's not /lgbt/ tier.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

"I keep getting uninvited to games for demanding to play a 3 year old, but physically mature, cat girl with big anime tiddies. Better go make a thread on Veeky Forums so I can slowly try to degrade the common sense of other gamers to a point where I'll finally be allowed to jerk off under the table."

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

do something more exciting and unique next game.
But playing alien races isn't exciting or unique. You're just playing a giant fucking stereotype.

Nojokur
Nojokur

No matter how unique you think your human character is, they are also just a stereotype. They're a pirate/cleric/blacksmith/assassin/ whatever probably influenced heavily by a character you saw in a movie or videogame.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Humans don't have access to high mana areas
Humans don't have dragon lineages
You just invented entirely novel circumstances that inevitably make your humans non-human. The only thing they presumably keep is their human "skin" (probably not with dragon lineages).
Might as well slap pair of floppy ears and call them something else. It's fairly popular genesis of fantasy races actually.

Most elves seem to be less wise than a 40 year old human.
*Most players

takes2long
takes2long

It worked for the post-modernists.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Most players
Then why try in the first place playing someone or something you're actually incapable of portraying?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Why play different race or culture? Why play opposite sex? Why play character of different age? Why play different personality from your own? God forbid you fail to authentically portray it. What is this, some role-paying game or something?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Some players do have the imagination and RP ability to portray things like that. Others, like you, are probably better off just sticking to the basic easy human choice.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Only fags want to play as non-human for anything other than mechanical reasons.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

most players
Elves are always huge jerks with no forsight.

If you want to be the stereotypical wise dude you roleplay a human village-elder.

Firespawn
Firespawn

It worked for a lot of things and that's why it scares me because I know where this hobby is heading.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Elves are always huge jerks with no forsight.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Choosing your race based for purely mechanical reasons
You have no right to look down on anyone, anon

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

I will play a human like individual with wolf ears, tail, and a wolfish grin.

massdebater
massdebater

Yeah because your special snowflake "I wanna play a tiefling/dragonborn/drow but have none of the drawbacks except what I approve of!"
You same retards would complain about everyone treating you like a monster at best and being outright hostile normally crying about "That DM"
Fuck off I know your kind.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

able to live in any environment
good at technology
adaptable as crap
any alignments

It's because humans are the master race.

Nojokur
Nojokur

You same retards would complain about everyone treating you like a monster at best and being outright hostile normally crying about "That DM"

Well, complaining about that with Dragonborn is kinda legitimate. The setting they are from they are not just a civilised race, they are the guys who built the biggest and most well known civilisation of the setting. It's like having every Roman be treated as a brainless monster. By the same token, Tieflings have a bad reputation but it's not for being monsterous or even demon-blooded but because they are decedents of humans who willingly made a deal with Asmodeus to fight the Dragonborn.

Neither of them are really monster races, they are Rome and Carthage more or less.

massdebater
massdebater

My opinions are so poorly thought out that this is literally the only way I can defend them

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

That depends on the setting anon.

And in my setting Dragonborn simply don't exist.

Soft_member
Soft_member

He's not wrong though.

I haven't met a single person who allowed a Drow player in their game use Sunlight Sensitivity.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I don't think I've ever actually seen a gif that was literally made for ants before.

Emberfire
Emberfire

found GIF on computer
tried to upload it
too big
used a GIF resizer
realize it's too small after you post it
feelsbadman.jpg

Evilember
Evilember

biggest benefit is definitely getting away with racial tensions without having to worry about people taking it all too personally.

also, it's totally possible to have race with unique mechanics relating to their role in a narrative or as a character in a story. a great example for a game that she's that is burning wheel: elves, dwarves, and b orks/goblins each have a unique attribute that the player interacts with (can't be bothered to look up how EXACTLY those work again right now).

when i design races, i try to define a general theme for each of them rather than character traits. for example, in one setting I'm working on, you've got trolls and sprites. trolls keep growing for their entire lifetime, and don't die of old age, so they tend to live in the wilderness, making them tough fellas all around; sprites are feylike beings with strong inherent magical power, but they are usually bound by magical contracts (like house elves i guess?)
if you give races properties that enforce or encourage different living situations, while also creating incentives to play a certain way (and not overdoing it with both the number of distinct races and the clichés) you ought to be able to create an interesting, unique experience for your players. but on the other hand, this will often require excluding fantasy staple races. but nobody does anything interesting with those, anyway ...

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

The original file is a webm, why do you have it in gif anyway?

Skullbone
Skullbone

But humans are cool.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

All the coolest people I've met have been human.

It checks out.

RavySnake
RavySnake

My character goes outside and solves all of his problems. I don't want to be completely unable to relate to them.

5mileys
5mileys

but i just want to be a successful human for once

Skullbone
Skullbone

honest about it

Honest? It’s fantasy. Humans can’t travel dimensions, bring back the dead, transform into other beings, etc. Why do other playable races seem so terrible to you people? It’s fantasy.

Why not make everyone in your world the same gender, height, age, and name? Just rely on their personalities to make it interesting. All the locations you visit can be the same geographic terrain, and the only monsters in the world you encounter look like you. There is only one class in the game, and no class specializations. The most bland vanilla shit show you all could ever ask for. Enjoy.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

He can't call characters niggers in his game

Stop playing with SJWs

RavySnake
RavySnake

Sure but then tell the player that rather than being a dick about it with 'Sure you can play it but you'll be treated like shit' when that is a change from the default of the race. It's like saying 'If you play a dwarf, everyone will think you are a monster'. That's legitimate for a setting but kinda should be told to people.

Soft_member
Soft_member

I play a winged half-nymph because I want to fucking fly with wings and look amazing doing it.

massdebater
massdebater

do something more exciting and unique next game
Sho' nuff OP, nex' game imma be a catboi!

JunkTop
JunkTop

Required reminder that any choice can be a good choice and any choice can be bad.

Nonhumans are always just humans with slightly unique features and stifle creativity

Bullshit strawman and you all know it. Granted the best case requires that your DM makes a good differentiation between races (truly alien creatures won't necessarily make a group of samey shit, but if races are described as just a few traits...).

Humans have nothing unique
Well to bad because you're the exact person the human advocates complain about. Make a character based on personality, doesn't matter what race.

Pick what you want, get over it. Everyone arguing over this dumb shit deserves each other.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Oh for sure. If I'm removing or adding from the core rules I tell the players everything before they even agree to be in the game.

No sense in playing something you won't enjoy.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Stop playing humans
I would like to play as monsters or heteromorphs, but Path doesn't make it easy.

whereismyname
whereismyname

my eyes, is that like a betabuild?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

missing my point this hard
Why have fantasy races if they're just humans with minor cosmetic differences?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Alright, build me

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

You will never be a dullahan cutie wreaking knights with your fists

Illusionz
Illusionz

Lacking a fifth digit, you might not have a pinkie, and therefore cannot raise it while drinking in polite society.

Techpill
Techpill

Being a human is pretty exciting though.

Methshot
Methshot

youtu.be/YIfFyJaw0NM

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

do research on next gen drugs and open source water filtration tech
in deep with political shit
routinely get roped into noir-esque BS that's too insane for me to ever write about

motherfucker I play Veeky Forums to get away from my life because sometimes I like being Nobody McShootmonster

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The mortal incarnation of reaction images

Spamalot
Spamalot

How though

w8t4u
w8t4u

Who the fuck is albedo?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Minmaxed cleric with vampire template and a metric fuckboat of magical artifacts.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

This sexy beast of a tank

Emberfire
Emberfire

Looks like a persistent RP server.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Hmm, might try doing that for my next campaign

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

It literally doesn't matter.

A bad character is a bad character regardless of race, and a good character is a good character regardless of race. You can chalk it up to setting, but even then you would ask 'Why not make all the races different cultures of human?' and that's a valid approach as well, but there's no solid argument to be made either way.

It's literally just a matter of personal preference.

Nojokur
Nojokur

The only characters I ever have interest in playing are humans or undead. I don't give a shit about elves, I don't give a shit about dwarves, I don't give a shit about halflings or gnomes or tieflings or whatever. Call me boring if you want, but thats what I like.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Stop playing Charakters so bland that their race is their most defining feature.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Stop roleplaying so bland then.

Spamalot
Spamalot

I can't think of a single example where the unique physical characteristics, such as longevity or diminutiveness had any significant impact on characterization.
I've played with bad players too, but I don't even need to play games to tell you that there's potential to do stuff with all that. An elf that doesn't want to be immortal, a dwarf that hates being short etc. is way different from a human that became immortal and now regrets it or a human manlet that hates being short. It's a defining trait of the entire race, and there are indeed things you couldn't do with the default fluff-devoid humans that you can do with other races. A lot of the time players do stuff with the culture, which can definitely be done with good old humans, but there are exceptions to that.

girlDog
girlDog

Only furries and neckbeards play non-humans. Humans are also the most versatile race so you can do anything with them while with other, sub-human races you're tied to a few specific archetypes and breaking the mold is hard because most of the time the systems punish you for it.

TreeEater
TreeEater

is right though, I think it's fun to think about how the race impacts the character and so on, but that doesn't necessarily make for any better characters than if I just made a human. It's a reason to play them, but I don't prefer non-human players to human players or vice versa because it is a very small difference on a larger scale.

massdebater
massdebater

Albedo, I got into tabletop because I wanted to play as a skeletal lich like Ainz-sama. Can you imagine how disappointed I was to learn that D&D doesn't want you to do anything like this and provides no tools for you to balance a build like this? You can't even be a lowly skeleton running around with a sword, because WotC don't want players and undead interacting, ever. I'm looking for different systems that will let me play a skeleman now.

Booteefool
Booteefool

gearing up to play curse of strahd
one night see the mummy with brendan fraser, haven't seen it in 10 years
cats are the guardians of the underworld
So I made a Tabaxi Paladin trying to emulate Kelemvor.

Firespawn
Firespawn

working on a snowflake right now
A fire genasi, son of orc shaman, that specifially was imbued with that fire by papa, so that he could become a witch-king of orcs. Tribe chief said "fuck off idiot shaman, you diddled demons to make this kid, run before I tell other tribesorcs". Shaman ran to the civilised land and went through a good deal to prove his worth to magic organisation and provide a living for the family.
Fire kid didn't like doing magic and decided to go path of the "barbarian", for which shaman called his son "a dumb thug with no eyes or future, doomed to be a sidenote of history". Fire kid stormed out of the house, swearing to return glory-bound and expecting apologies.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Liches only need you to be a level 12 spellcaster with Craft Wondrous Item.

Duh.

Also, Dread Necro turns you into a lich over the progress of the class.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Then stop making humans the most mechanically optimal race for so many character builds.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

It's important that I get to be a skeleton the entire time, though.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

OK then, I'll play a human who can PUNCH HOLES IN MONSTERS with his MIND BULLETS!
That'll be exciting and possibly unique.
(Hint: nothing is unique.)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

It is when your character becomes depressed and lethargic as you adventure through the winter wastes.

It is when your character becomes chirpy and energetic on your visit to the desert kingdom.

It is when your character tries to snuggle the fire genasi barbarian in the middle of the night.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

]You already are.

RumChicken
RumChicken

"h-heh, im a cool guy with friends i say nigger to"
"hey guys, dem niggers amirite"
"it's not really that funny jeff"
"y-yeah I know I w-w-w-was just joking hehe"

TechHater
TechHater

Stop playing humans

Make me

You're one in real life

As it should be

do something more exciting and unique next game

There is nothing more exciting and unique than a plain and boring human kicking all of the "powerful" races asses through attrition and skill, and show them how weak and pathetic they really are compared to humans

Spamalot
Spamalot

Albedo is shit, Overlord is shit and you are shit for posting this shit thread. Just thought I'd let you know.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Let me fix that for you, friend.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Australian Power

girlDog
girlDog

Catgirl is my race in FFXIV

TreeEater
TreeEater

Guy in real life
6'4"
Fatbuilt
Play a 2'10" female halfling wizard character in this text RPG with people
All the other male players are playing 6'10"+ male characters

You know they're compensating.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

reminder that OP is correct and that while you should expect at least some character from a nonhuman PC. Being an autist about denial is the sign of a worthless cuck who has no business wasting other's time.
No gm is better then a "muh humans REEEEEEE" gm

JunkTop
JunkTop

but anon, humans are the most exciting and unique race of all

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

overly bulky WoW armor
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

farquit
farquit

lv 30 gestalt paladin-cleric (3.5e)

askme
askme

I find just about all the diversity and uniqueness I want within humanity's ranks. I could make a dozen human fighters, all of them distinct and quality characters, because there is so much more to a character than his species.

Though I do like elves too. More LotR elves than dnd elves. I can see why people like playing other races, and that's okay. I just don't like when people see it as a substitute for putting effort into roleplaying.

hairygrape
hairygrape

This is the source.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Anno Domini zwei tausend und siebzehn
still only vanilla doujins of overlord

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

You sure that’s not a Warframe?

RumChicken
RumChicken

I know, and despite me making a 5 full post explanation on why that is more practical over at /a/, some scrotum snorting knuckledraggers still bash the
muh boobplate

TechHater
TechHater

Fuck you, playing a Human Male Fighter is fun from time to time. Especially the guffawing experienced fighter type that can chug a keg or two.

whereismyname
whereismyname

old hag gorilla

Supergrass
Supergrass

tfw too uncomfortable with crossplaying to play a human female fighter

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

B-but my bonus feat!!

Inmate
Inmate

what bothers me is typical Veeky Forums autism. You say you don't mind but the thread will approach a nonhuman with zero tolerance and waiting with dick in hand to screech and decry any misstep or failing as an excuse to hard-deny everything that triggers them.

likme
likme

ainz was/is human once, you know

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

a virgin succubus

w8t4u
w8t4u

That's your issue, not mine. If Thor can crossdress you can pretend to be a girl in a fictional world.
It's only when you start getting lewd that you should draw the line.

Playboyize
Playboyize

She literally describes her build in the novels. She's a lv40 Hexblade/Ur-Priest/Life Drinker, with a few dips in other classes. She has the Spell Stowaway (time stop) feat or a magic item that duplicates it, as well as items that provide continuous Freedom of Movement and block projectile attacks.

girlDog
girlDog

But heroic monsters are my favorite concept!

RumChicken
RumChicken

She's an imp I believe.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I never really understood what drives some people toward playing exotic races.

Because the game is set in an exotic fantasy land and they want their character to be a part of that exotic fantasy land.

That's it. That's all it is. Having claws or long ears or mottled red skin is fantastical. These are fantasy games. You may as well ask why people choose to play as androids or have cybernetic limbs in sci-fi games. Because these are the fantastical elements of the setting that form a departure from real life.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

No
overlordmaruyama.wikia.com/wiki/Albedo

Inmate
Inmate

Here is the reason why most monster races suck and how to fix them.
they have to be separate enough from humans
none of this, "humans but taller and live longer" bullcrap. Think how different VTM vampires are from humans. They have a completely different food source, a completely different set of rules, far more physically and mentally superior, and have a beast that can take over with little reason. Naturally they aren't 100% separate but they have enough differences that makes them unique.

have to be free of stereotype.
no fixed monster alignment or job. again the VTM vampires can do any job and be good or evil or neither. the clans make things even more varied.

have separate subcultures in their main culture
speaking of the clans. also note the anarchs, the camilla, the sabat, etc

that's about it, takes some practice but soon you might be able to make a monster that I'll have interest in playing.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

That's what it's SUPPOSED to be. She's a fucking Blackguard Tank
This is the source.
That's the fucking anime version which is garbage.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Thinly veiled Overlord thread.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Isn't she a succubus that semi-fuged with Nagash-esque guy?

happy_sad
happy_sad

She has Imp levels due to level progression/creation.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Challenge build. Keep in mind he does have 4 arms and a tail.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Yeah, but he's a skellyton now.

every skellybro has been an absolute great person in every one of my games. there's just something about playing as a boney meme dude that brings out the best in a player.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Skeletons are great because they are humans 2.0
can do whatever they want
that DR
that natural armor
that dex bonus
not having to eat, sleep, or drink.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Good classes for Skeletons?

Spamalot
Spamalot

I'm going to have to say cleric. Nothing like having a set of healing with you at all time.

Liches are overrated either go necropolitian (not full skeleton but LA +0) or akalich (stupid template from the book of immortals)

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

So everything that happens to humans in real life, they literally have a disorder called Seasonal Affective Disorder? Minus the genasi part but a man can dream.

WebTool
WebTool

That's actually true. I've noticed that HFY spergs very rarely rage against dwarf characters. The autistic wrath is usually aimed at elves and non-vanilla races.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Jesus fuck, if you let the enemy buff up that much then you fucking deserve the smackdown that's coming.

Then again, Overlord is shit. I have no interest in an anime where the MC literally treats the most powerful creatures in the world as below grind fodder.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Alright maybe I'm dumb, but how do you setup a skeleton to play as in PCGen? It seems to lock Constitution and intelligence when you select most undead or skeletons.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Stop playing humans, Veeky Forums. You're one in real life,
And some of us don't hate ourselves enough for that to be a bad thing, what of it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I pretty much exclusively play humans because I love cyberware and Edge. Why would I make it more difficult to use my favorite aspects of the game, as well as gimp my budget to pay for those aspects, just so that I won't appear "boring"?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

hey guys, pick any race/class you want!
2 human rangers and one human rogue

why do people do this?

5mileys
5mileys

Greater Skeleton
Use the Skeleton template in the MM, but a greater skeleton can have any amount of Hit Dice, limited only by the base creature’s Hit Dice. Greater skeletons differ from normal skeletons as per the general rules for greater undead that preceded this entry and as follows.
Hit Dice: Increase all current and future Hit Dice to d12s. The only limit on a greater skeleton’s potential Hit Dice is
the caster level of the spellcaster who creates them.
Speed: Winged greater skeletons retain the ability to fly via supernatural means.
Abilities: Modify as for the Skeleton template, except a
greater skeleton’s Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores remain the same as the base creature.
Challenge Rating: +1.
Level Adjustment: +1, unless the skeleton lost more than 5 points of natural armor.

Use this but lower the LA to 0. Source is the book of templates: deluxe addition.

Snarelure
Snarelure

because is 100% right. Humie players need to get the fuck out right now

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Sorry should have clarified, this is for a Pathfinder game. I don't think Greater Skeleton is a option.

StonedTime
StonedTime

DnD/PF
FUCK YOU I'M TAKING MY EXTRA FIRST LEVEL FEAT AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT
Shadowrun
k, ill just take my body bonuses and thermal vision in exchange for... nothing. Humans suck
Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy/Only War/Deathwatch
......I feel like you're missing the point of these games anon
Stars without Number
I have no clue whats happening in this game... we just started playing and my GM tells me I'm human so I believe him

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Pathfinder has a Skeleton template. It should port right over.

Unless you have a crazy DM

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

No the template works, it's just that it locks CON and INT at 10 because it's assuming you are a mindless Skeleton. Trying to figure a way around that.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I find it a pleasant change of pace from power of friendship/determination/stubborn/lucky/plot armor. For once I want to see the equivalent of wow zone disruption

MPmaster
MPmaster

Because historically, humans have been the most interesting people.

And I want to play a mongol.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Stop playing humanoids you're one in real life
Stop playing bipeds you're one in real life
Stop playing sophonts you're one in real life
Stop playing carbon based organisms you're one in real life

Unthinking artificially created silicon based protozoa only

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

That's the anime artbook version. LN was bulky and has a towershield.

askme
askme

Skeletal champion. Currently playing a LE cleric in PF that's gonna raise our recently-deceased ranger.

hairygrape
hairygrape

When I made my character we hadn't thought of alien races yet and my concept was already fun enough

You DO know how to make fun interesting character without just playing a racial stereotype (or anti-stereotype), right?

Emberburn
Emberburn

Same issue with Skeleton Champion. It locks the CON and INT.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Greater skeleton changes that aspect I believe.

keep int wis and cha as the creature who got turned.

If you have a human with 18 8 16 then you have a skeleton with 18 8 16

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

And that's fine, but like I mentioned earlier this is a Path game. Not sure that's a option here.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Just CON i thought?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Well it takes some GM approval, but unless you want to play the bone parasite race it's all you can do.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Alright I think Skeleton Champion will work. It does not lock INT like I thought. Thanks guys.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Best of luck anon

Skullbone
Skullbone

There's nothing wrong with that, just make him a character and not a self-insert.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

The only story worth telling is the human heart in conflict. Dressing it up as a fantasy creature devalues that, unless trying to be explicitly relatable, in which case it's just another layer of obfuscation between the human and the heart. So I'll pass, and keep on playing my humans, but don't let that stop you from playing monsters and aliens.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

not playing a self-insert
not having Ultimate Fun
It's fine as long as you don't powergame or try as hard as you can to outshine everyone else or refuse to understand and incorporate your flaws as a person

happy_sad
happy_sad

In the LN she's actually wearing three layers of armor (the lowest one being a psychoactive skin) and can sacrifice them to block lethal attacks.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Fuck off my min/maxing

DeathDog
DeathDog

Rate my build

Booteefool
Booteefool

Albedo please go.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

nanda kore wa

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

pic
is that the stereotypical evil moustache?

Emberfire
Emberfire

Would instantaneously party with

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

It is completely irrelevant. It is a political/family ancap compound anime not muh challenge shonen trash

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

And in real life plate armor has like 5 extra layers. Still body hugging

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I've noticed that HFY spergs very rarely rage against dwarf characters.
I've seen it plenty of times, don't know where you've been.

farquit
farquit

t. human internet defense force

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I've seen that quite a lot. I know a few dwarf players who are well over 6 feet tall and elf players who are in the 5'7"-5'9" zone. Yet on here I always see dwarf players stereotyped as manlets.

Then again, this is just my anecdotal evidence so feel free to disregard.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

if you let the enemy buff up that much then you fucking deserve the smackdown that's coming.
He's taking advantage of the fact that the enemy is mindcontrolled and won't react before he makes the first hostile move

whereismyname
whereismyname

It is not veiled in the slightest
Tanking is not about being a hunk of iron. A half centimeter thick armor of whatever metal provides perfect invincibility to it's level of threats and beyond - real life plate armor was invulnerable into the 1800s. Tanking is about area control and physically keeping the enemies away from the squad. If you are a huge, immobile wall, they will just go around. You have to be able to rapidly move around and respond to any coming threat in the blink of an eye or the healers and damagers are toast. You are not expected to be unharmed, you are expected to be able to get in the way and wrestle enemies. In a huge armor, you can control a smaller area, and have worse balance. You survive through healing and backline fire on the enemies, your job is to keep aggro - on everything on all sides. Can't do that when carrying 100 times your weight in armor

Spamalot
Spamalot

See "Others". Lv100 in Yggdrasil is equivalent to Lv40 in D&D 3.5, though normal and epic levels scale at different rates. Also it breaks up some classes into chains of shorter classes.

In the novels the scene where Shalltear attacks the bandit camp is really, really explicit about how she has all the class features of BoVD's Life Drinker prestige class, though because of recursive translation it's referred to as the "Blood Drinker" class.

Inmate
Inmate

From what I can tell the stygma is mostly from bad players commonly using exotics as a crutch, but that doesn't mean they can't be done well

MPmaster
MPmaster

This post is accurate.

Playboyize
Playboyize

What server and what kinds of choices?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

If you bump a damn thread, at least post a picture with it

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

She has Imp levels due to level progression/creation.
Is the class / race progression ever explained anywhere? It always sounds super interesting but I haven't seen any real information on it other than random details about characters.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I'm an unashamedly humanocentric GM, but I have no issue with folks preferring fantastic races.

What I DO take issue with is players who talk down human players as though they're worse roleplayer. In my (anecdotal) experience human players tend to prefer no-frills RP. They focus on backstory and personality, while demihuman players tend towards memorability.

Both have their place, but both have the potential to be shit. Human-only can lean overtly on familiarity and 'safety', fantastic-only can lean overtly on unique visuals or gameplay as a crutch. There are no bad races, only bad players.

I personally prefer humans because, as a human, I feel like any fantasy race played carries too much of that thumbprint to stand apart. Our human interpretations of fictional races unavoidably affect our perception (hence the Star Trek 'humans and makeup' thing).

That said, there's plenty of fun things to do with fantasy races. Minotaurs don't neatly fit through doors, Cyclops are a society with no depth perception, Dragonborn were a hoot in my setting because few are sensitive about whether they lay eggs, and so on. Some ideas work with humans, some don't.

Illusionz
Illusionz

What game is this?

5mileys
5mileys

Not really. I'm a short hairy guy who lives on a mountain.

Spamalot
Spamalot

Neverwinter Nights 2

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

people thinking Overlord is about the battles
It's a comedy about a stupid japanese dude being forced into being the Sauron surrounded by people who misunderstand all his stupid actions as those of a supreme evil mastermind.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Yeah I don't really get how people don't see that.

Still, the battles are pretty neat.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

There will never be a mmo where you can build min-max npcs to do all the heavy lifting for you while you play your fun roleplaying builds.

Why do mmos suck so much?

Supergrass
Supergrass

No I am a GOD!

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I appreciate the fights because they're still recognizably steeped in 3.5 minutia and I love every moment of it.

Also, in the fantasy world I like the notion about how long it takes to build and train experience levels, since they're only measured by things like martial arts and spell level.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I've seen translations describe her as an Imp, but she is a medium sized creature. If anyone has her card I'll bet I can suss out exactly what she is based on her presented monster level as opposed to job level.

Bidwell
Bidwell

The sheer fail that is this post is amaizing

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

The references to power levels, the one sided fights, and a few other things bring in the shonen retards. It's a fun read though, and reading posts from people who either sperg about how boring the fights are or bitch about how the protags don't have any real challengers is good for a chuckle.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Stop playing 'exotic' races that act and think like humans.

Inmate
Inmate

Playing a shorty with a beard, a midget with hairy feet, a lanky tall guy with pointy ears, a guy with big canines and weird skin, a guy with horns and a tail, or any bullshit race doesn't automatically make it exciting.

In fact, the only thing other races are good for are racial abilities and scores. They're otherwise just dumb, hyper-centralized, hyper-focused memes based on a fraction of the greater human spectrum.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I'm currently playing a sex addicted tiefing sorceress. I regularly whore her out in town for more money and better gear.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I never play non-human races because I don't feel I can pull off the mentality of a race that is so different from ours and I see no point in playing as a monster with a human mentality.
Of course, races like elves or dwarves don't apply because they aren't that different, I mean weirder shit.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

It won't ever stop amusing me how Dark Souls is lumped in there when there are no unique snowflake races in it at all, let alone playable. Might as well put Call of Duty in with Elder Scrolls and WoW.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Yeah, part of the reason why I made the halfling character is because I'm used to being tall: I wanted to take on this world from a different perspective. One day I walked around my house on my knees to see what kind of world I'd be living in and realized that my character was even shorter than that

The only real exception is this one guy in the group that plays a Nord-like character. Dude looks like a Viking in real life, too.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Rogue Trader
I played an all Ork RT campaign. It was really fun.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Sure, I'll pick exotic race for my next character and play bunch of racial stereotypes instead of character and personality.

TreeEater
TreeEater

HUMANS

ARE

SUPERIOR!!!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Great episode of a great show.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I mean, you could always do both. Is that so hard? Picking a non-human race AND giving it a personality? Are you really that shit?

Methshot
Methshot

Let's try this again.

Who cares about this non-human trash. How would you build my boy Brain?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I'd give him levels in Swordsman and Fail, with the ratio being around 2:7

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

and Fail
Why you gotta be hating on my boy? It's not his fault he keeps finding monsters to fight.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

He got his shit pushed in by a DFC loli wearing tea party attire. His existential crisis is wholly warranted as he has wasted his life.

MPmaster
MPmaster

He built himself into a hill then fought a mountain. Not a whole lot anyone in the NW could do.

WebTool
WebTool

Which is why it sucks to be a human. He'd be better off were he a heteromorphic like the Nazarick crew.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Well in theory, given enough time, and finding better equipment, and increasing his abilities, he might be able to scratch her. he did cut her nail after all.

But yes he is still human, so he only has so long.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Sadly, the results of the latest trial are discouraging, to put it mildly.
Though there appeared to be some remission early on, a significant fraction of patients went on to claim that humanity was “so awesome that it had to invent new drugs to get people to stop talking about how awesome it was” or words to that effect.
I think we’re back to square one, frankly.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Considering that overlord is built on 3.X humans are actually pretty capable.

His issue is he got put against a minmaxed level 40 character and her level 20 servants.

Ainz is rocking level 50.

Evilember
Evilember

And give up the Bonus Feat? Fuck no, I'm not making unoptimized shit!

Booteefool
Booteefool

ainz higher level than shalltear
got shit on even after copious cheating and p2w
without aura pulling a distraction at last moment, ainz is toast

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Ainz decided to melee fight a minmaxed vampire who gains back health by hitting you.

Considering he basically dumped everything but int he did all right.

That mana tho.

Lunatick
Lunatick

For example look at shalltear she's not rocking that bullcrap stat that ainz has.

Ainz was basically also lacking all his artifacts.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Ainz was stated to be around the low upper tier among the game's playerbase and was weaker than many members of his guild because they were minmaxers and he had an RP build.
Shalltear is pretty much a raid boss minmaxed to hell and I'm pretty sure Peroronchino even made her specifically to counter Ainz's skillset.
Ainz won that fight because he knew her pretty well, was equiped with a bunch of ultra-powerful items from his guildmates, had a pretty solid strategy and also because Shalltear was a fucking retard.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Considering she is running an orphanage now, she wouldn't be fighting.
Probably at most trying to stop her sisters from eating any of the kids.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I remember that thread. The guy in the screencap was a retarded /r9k/ drone, he admitted he knew fuck-all about all of those games and was working entirely on the assumption that
doesn't play popular videogames = not a "normalcuck" = good roleplayer.

5mileys
5mileys

I would rather play as a qt 3.14 archer with evil eyes and a sore butt.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Ainz is minmaxed in a team based/management way, not for combat. he seems to specialize in buffs.

Still don't know why he didn't just nuke her from orbit though.

takes2long
takes2long

The more weird fantasy races and alien species you throw in, the more interested I get in humans. Basic as they are, they suddenly gain their own exoticness when dumped in the middle of all kinds of weirdness.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I'll play what I damn well please, and if I can't play a whole damn human, then I'll play half a human, and someone else can play the other half.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

It's not a powerlevel anime. The show is mostly party banter, and that's why you watch it. The characters are fairly interesting and it's fun to watch them talk shit to each other.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I wonder if 4 armed avatars were thing.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Even the battles are basically comedy because it's all just a barely veiled homage to D&D. It's one step outside of being outright parody.

TechHater
TechHater

If you can't make an interesting character without having to fallback on races you are a massive fucking faggot

Flameblow
Flameblow

Then again, Overlord is shit. I have no interest in an anime where the MC literally treats the most powerful creatures in the world as below grind fodder.
Overlord isn't about giant autistic fights, so if that's what you need then you should look elsewhere.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Why even play a character made of flesh? That's boring, you have flesh in real life. Play a cyborg or robot instead.

girlDog
girlDog

Sense of Justice:-500

Is the only one who shows any sense of morality.

Susuga Ainz sama~

Firespawn
Firespawn

Why even play something living, you are alive in real life. Play something dead, like a rock.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

He's slowly becoming less moral as time goes on because of how his mind transfer worked.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Ainz and his character are completely different people.

TechHater
TechHater

Ainz won that fight because he knew her pretty well, was equiped with a bunch of ultra-powerful items from his guildmates

You mean from the pay to win gatcha store?

5mileys
5mileys

Worst part of the novels right here. I just wanted Ainz to stay a pure, soul crushing lonely Japanese buisnesssman forever.

idontknow
idontknow

No, he used legendary-tier items from his guildmates.
The only store item he used was the one who allowed him to nullify the timer for his sure-kill nuke.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

And the class switching item so he could actually equip swordsman items.

Nojokur
Nojokur

That's a spell he has.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Actually, he used cash shop items to quickly switch between weapons, which is probably why people are confused about his guildmates' weapons being cash shop items.

WebTool
WebTool

Oh, yeah, those sticks, I forgot about them.

SniperGod
SniperGod

yfw picked a tiefling cause dmpc is always the same cleric and paladin duo
they say nothing and don't even give my pc strange looks for being a tiefling warlock who actively tries to get more in touch with their infernal heritage
Life is not? Suffering.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Aren't both of those way too big for a goblin to wield.

The sword alone would take 2 arms.

StonedTime
StonedTime

She took Monkey Grip

girlDog
girlDog

Make me, bitch.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Come to think of it, the proportions on tht sword are kinda wierd. I mean, the shaft is about the same length as the blade. When compared to her body, it seems like it would act more as a gaive or svardstaf/sword-spear

Meanwhile, in the hands of a normal human, it would likewise seem a bit wierd since its effectively a shortsword blade on a shortspear. So it'd be like a mini-svardstaf.

Kinda reminds me of the Nameless King's Swordspear, but gobbo-sized

FastChef
FastChef

Rolling a 14 and telling the DM you rolled a 16 instead. Boom, its almost like cheating except its in flavor and your DM is a bigot for telling you otherwise.

idontknow
idontknow

Lemme tell you about goblins with oversized weapons

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I think my real issue is the swing time with the massive weapons.

Like, do you want to wait that long until your enemy is dead?

whereismyname
whereismyname

Goblins need oversized weapons to compete with the reach and range of larger races.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Yes but like.

Spears.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Ainz references how the devs had to patch Skeletal Mage because players kept using their negative-energy touch to heal themselves between fights.

So in his case it looks like he started as a Dread Necromancer, but all Dread Necromancers in his campaign have to take a custom "skeleton" race with nerfed versions of the usual undead traits.

He's rarely outright cruel on his own initiative, it's just that
Undead are immune to mind-affecting effects
makes him weirdly detached, so he doesn't care as much when his minions kill people

The most recent novel had a character who commented on this, noting that while Ainz is a great and humble man his sense of humor is kind of disturbing.

massdebater
massdebater

More like his sense of humor is shit.

idontknow
idontknow

There's also the shirt where he's intimidated by his minions because he loses his mental block stuff.

Flameblow
Flameblow

short*

DeathDog
DeathDog

That was the spell "Perfect Warrior", which appears to be an upgraded version of Tenser's Transformation
d20srd.org/srd/spells/transformation.htm

King_Martha
King_Martha

I mean, just look a this:
"Our country will do our best to accelerate the process. Albedo, what is the minimum time needed to carry this out?”
“In that case, how about three years? However, that might lead to unrest in our country.”
“That cannot be helped. We’re saving a friendly country, after all. I suppose there will be some loss of life on our part… well, metaphorically speaking.”
The Sorcerer King seemed to be making a joke, but nobody was laughing.

happy_sad
happy_sad

IIRC he also gets nervous about the illusory face he uses as Momon, because it's as expressive as a real face and that makes it harder to hide what he's thinking.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Scavanged weapons with refitted handles.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I don't remember that. I do remember him getting butthurt about people saying he had an average or ugly face because it's implied he is using his IRL face as Momon's face.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Everything thinks he's ugly because they all have perfect npc faces.

farquit
farquit

Not really.
The New World isn't the MMO world. Ainz and his guild just got transported to a different fantasy world.
The only people with NPC-tier looks are the descendants of past players who were sent to that world too.

girlDog
girlDog

in real life plate armor has like 5 extra layers
What?

Evilember
Evilember

humans can do that

Yes, they can, but it's fucking DIFFERENT. Why don't people get this. Some tall, normal, bearded human acting rough, drinking beer, and talking in an irish accent is just some potato eating fucktard acting like he's hot shit. A dwarf doing the same thing is a fucking DWARF. It conjures an entirely different mental image.
Also, playing as a non-human race gives people fun incentives to go against common tropes, within a reasonable frame. Nobody is going to play a tall Dwarf, but what about a Dwarf that doesn't drink alcohol, and thus gets belittled by his brethren? Nobody is going to ostracize a fucking human for not drinking beer.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

As a human who doesn't drink beer, I can confirm you are full of crap.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Anon, the gambeson underneath doesn't count

viagrandad
viagrandad

Gambesons definitely count, dude.
Gambesons are cushioning and nigh-stabproof

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

A lot of times he feels like fucking Brook from One Piece except he stops short of going "Because I'm a skeleton, get it? HAHAHAHA"

Methnerd
Methnerd

It's mentioned that the humans in the NW are pretty much superhuman, including in physical attractiveness. Whether that's because of players tampering with the fabric of reality like with the magic system and common tongue, or because of the dickings, the vast majority of NWers are beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed.

w8t4u
w8t4u

playing as a filthy humie

For shame. Heteromorphs are the superior species.

Bidwell
Bidwell

It's mentioned that the humans in the NW are pretty much superhuman, including in physical attractiveness
I remember no mention of such a thing and we have many NWers who are ugly or have undesirable traits like the archer girl from the last volume and her sinister eyes.
the vast majority of NWers are beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed.
Again, no. The few NWers who fit that description are royalty and mentioned to be extremely beautiful compared to your average NWer.
because of the dickings
Like I said before, the NWers aren't the descendants of previous players, the only NWer who have player blood are the godkin and they are ultra-rare, not to mention that the Theocracy tracked most of them.

Evilember
Evilember

Hmm, if I made a Dullahan, what would be a good class for it? Warrior maybe? This is Path by the way?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Prostitute so you can make jokes about being good at giving head.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

hehe

Snarelure
Snarelure

"Considering Lukrut’s remarks with a level head, it seemed like the
illusionary face he’d created was being called ugly, and when he
thought about the people he had met so far, he had to agree. There’s
too much beauty in this world. You can look at anybody in the street,
and they have nice, regular features. I used to consider my face
worthy of a supporting role, but now I wonder if I’d even make the
bill…"
As for blondes and blue eyes plenty of characters are. Nobles are even more beautiful and likely to be blonde and blue-eyed but that's about the same as IRL.

FastChef
FastChef

He really should has raised her.

Honestly, you need to recognize talent when you see it Ainz.

JunkTop
JunkTop

If you care about efficency then you have little choice besides being yet another Headless Horseman but if you want to try something different then maybe some stealth-related class.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Oh, I didn't remember that. You are right then, but even so it must be something inherent to the New World because it is mentioned that player descendants are very rare.

viagrandad
viagrandad

She got hugged to death by a character with strength as a dump stat.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Giant calcium based lifeform.

Remember that dread necromancers raise undead with +4 strength and dex. We have no idea how robust greater liches are.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Yeah, given how special Godkins are I doubt the average NWer is descended from players. Maybe they are descended from chaff NPCs like the respawnables in Nazarick, that got ported over thousands of years ago? More likely it's just the effect of some world item.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I'm just saying Gazef or Brain wouldn't have been hugged to death, and Gazef was the only one he gave an offer to join him.

That and Ainz doesn't tolerate those who hurt his friends.

Inmate
Inmate

No we would have gotten them too.

In 3.5 liches have a death aura around them. Plus the strength thing.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Gazef and Brain were arguably weaker than Clementine.
Clementine was mentioned to be hero-tier while Gazef was mentioned to be one step behind hero-tier humans and Brain was always second best compared to Gazef.
Also, even when Physical Attack is Ainz's lowest stat the fact he is level 100 while even the most competent warrios are level 30 at best gives him a huge advantage.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Entoma is that low.

Shame

SniperGod
SniperGod

Yeah, Ainz destroyed angels by just grabbing them and slamming them into the ground and angels are basically tougher than most humans, especially against mundane damage.
Clem regretted not wearing heavy armor when he started squeezing, but maybe she was still underestimating his strength (I think it was before he even used both arms.) I highly doubt he wouldn't have been able to crush it like a tin can. Nabe with her pathetic 25 Atk clobbered a skeletal dragon with her sheathed sword and Ainz has 10 more points in it.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Entoma got BTFO by a NW vampire with bugspray.
She is a dissapointment in a different sense than Lupus.

Lunatick
Lunatick

They have a fear aura, though Ainz has upgraded it a few times (possibly through his Overlord levels, possibly just through higher levels of Lich). He usually keeps it turned off because it's inconvenient.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Pretty sure table is just some ledditer's fan thing. The canon stat images are ones like and

iluvmen
iluvmen

The table was made by some autist who counted the pixels in those sheets and turned them into numbers or some shit like that.
I do think he was a ledittor but it doesn't change the fact that he did a good job making the character sheets easier to compare.

idontknow
idontknow

Skeletons have DR/bludgeoning, and it wasn't a powerful sword. Sheathing it made it more effective, not less.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Does it have all the stat pages? I want to see how the humans compare to Ainz's squad

Emberburn
Emberburn

Bugspray

I mean that's basically the same as attacking a vampire with garlic covered cross with a stake middle and silver joints.

It's like the weakness of weaknesses.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I get it, but it was still a makeshift bludgeoning weapon.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I don't think levels even go to 100 in Yggdrasil.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Magical bugspray made for really nasty bugs at that.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Unfortunately, humans have a brief character description instead of their stats.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Yes, they do. 100 was the highest level in YGGDRASIL.

massdebater
massdebater

Found it.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

It's mentioned that the humans in the NW are pretty much superhuman
Bullshit. Some of them are, sure, but no moreso than any other generic fantasy where there's magic and weeabo fitan magic. The overwhelming majority of humans are bog standard humans.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Either the author was making a white people are prettier than Asians joke, or the npcs are of above average attractiveness.

farquit
farquit

Wow, Mare is more of a beast than I thought.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Mare is a trap in more sense than one.
He may seem like a shy and frail crossdressing elf but he is actually a fucking monster that could destroy a whole city in 5 seconds flat.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I was commenting on humans being superhuman, not how pretty they were. Though as the NPCs were designed to look a certain way, I wouldn't doubt that the NPCs are more attractive than your ordinary NW rando.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

His sisters pretty good too.

Sucks ainz is so focus built on teamwork.

They both only have class levels due to elves not having LA.

girlDog
girlDog

Yeah, I had no idea. I figured that since he and Aura were siblings, twins?, they would be roughly equivalent in power. Looks like that's not the case at all. Aura looks like fodder comparatively.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Literally everything from the game is considered otherwordly and infinitely superior by the NWers.
The female NPCs are consantly described as inhumanly beautiful whenever we have a NWer's POV and even Ainz shittier robes are better than the best clothes the New Worl can produce.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Even objectively though, I can't figure out where the idea of NW humans as being superhuman comes from. Some of them, sure. Their top end adventurers and various kingdom's heroes can do stuff, but the rest of the NW humans are just normal squishy fantasy humans.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

no moreso than any other generic fantasy where there's magic and weeabo fitan magic
Well, that's what superhuman means. They're "better" than IRL humans, or humans from Satoru's 22st century dystopian shithole.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Aura's completely physical she lacks any Magic attack.

She's got the ranks in survival. Like a reverse-trap bear grylls

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Compared to our world's humans they are superhumans because they have the ability to gain levels and increase their natual prowess in ways than we can't.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

That probably just comes with the tech level. The lower you get the better individuals you get. We start specializing hard 6+

askme
askme

And don't forger said vampire was autistically specialized for the bugspray. The other meidos dished out some raw&dry yuri rape on her

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

No, I'm pretty sure it comes from being a fairly idealized fantasy setting.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

The only maidos that aren't a trainwreck are Yuri, Solution, and Narabel. They've been on top of their game and then some, but the other maids are just ... there.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

The other meidos dished out some raw&dry yuri rape on her
Explain

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Nabe is basically retarded or autistic.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Nah, as tech level goes higher, individuals get more powerful. Once you get access to genetic engineering and mechanical augments, you can basically shit out superhuman gods faster than rabbits can breed.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Narberal is a retard though and Solution was stupid enough to steal Ainz's personal bath slime because she was jealous.
I think so far Yuri and CZ are the only ones who haven't done something stupid.

askme
askme

Lets be real here, nukes could basically take the entire world.

Not even sure ainz could take one.

As crappy as normal humans are, we are pretty clever at times.

Don't forget that npc's are basically infected with a special kind of stupidy, it's the one thing Ainz has going for him.

massdebater
massdebater

Everyone isn't autistic, anon.

Snarelure
Snarelure

That's fair on Solution, but when she's been on mission she's been golden. She just spergs over Ainz the way that all of them sperg over Ainz.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Well we are about 7-9 and I'm pretty sure a naked caveman could crap on a naked me and I'm in shape.

Past 9 things change though.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Nabe seems literally incapable of faking interactions, hiding her emotions or understanding her master's intent to the point that Ainz basically gave up on "training" her.
For a doppelganger it's very sad.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Yeah, aside from that brief moment of retardation she has been pretty efficent. She even reported her own boss because he was acting in a way that went against Ainz's orders (or so she thought).

Soft_member
Soft_member

None of her levels were put into doppleganger though. All her levels went into mage, if I remember right.

idontknow
idontknow

Yup. She did the right thing there in that she followed her boss in field and then reported him to Ainz when they were out of the field. She's good at recon and the like.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Yeah, most NPCs suffer from being ultra-arrogant and Stupid Evil while Ainz is a pretty level-headed and pragmatic guy.
Though in exhange Ainz's issue is that he has such a low self-esteem that he underestimates his own abiltiies way too much.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Well, just one in doppel. But it's pretty tragic that she is only capable of giving herself a human face and incapable of actually going undercover in any fashion.
Compare Solution who flawlessly played the role of some spoiled noble brat and endured pretending to be Sebas' master. Nabe would have been completely incapable of that due to her personality. It's not that her acting would have been terrible, it's that she would have broken down from trying to play a role at all.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

The npcs where written whereas Ainz was grown.

They'll come into their own but you gotta give it to earth.

Emberburn
Emberburn

To be fair, that's not Narberal's fault, it's Ainz's faut.
He choose her because the other maids didn't look human enough and I think Solution was already busy helping Sebas but he didn't consider how stupid she is and how her skillset sucks for subtle missions.

girlDog
girlDog

Before that Ainz needs to get over his many personal issues, tell them that he isn't the flawless mastermind everyone thinks he is and finally try to fix his subordinate's shit.
Though first he should realize how fucked up his subordinates are. I can't believe he thought Demiurge's human rape farms were actually regular farms for so long. Did he even bother reading the dude's character profile?

Emberburn
Emberburn

That and she looks Japanese, so it's easier to pass her off as coming from the same place as Momon.

StonedTime
StonedTime

He probably should have taken the twins with him.

Considering that he thought the twins where kids so he had to talk to them about sex I think Ainz is far less cynical than he need to be.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Aren't they kids, though?

had to talk to them about sex
That sounds hilarious, want to expand on that?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Him thinking about the twin does make some sense because he doesn't know how their memories prior to being sent to the NW are and they were actually written as little children, just fucked up little children.
But Demiurge is an ultra-edgy demon made by his ultra-edgy friend so he should know that he isn't the kind of guy who would set up a farm to take care of "bipedal lambs" or whatever euphemism he used for the people he sent to his rape farm.

Skullbone
Skullbone

tell them that he isn't the flawless mastermind everyone thinks he is
Well, he tried a few times. It went over about as well as calling Sir Bearington a furry animal.

JunkTop
JunkTop

So lizard dude and white lady start having horror sex from the main crew invading.

Ainz spies on the lizard village noclips through the wall with his camera and the whole crew sees the whole thing. He starts panicking about everyone watching the porn he accidentally clicked into.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Makes you respect touch me a bit more doesn't it?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

But he never tried hard enough, mainly because he has abandonment issues and is afraid that his NPCs will hate him and leave him if they find out he is just some normal dude instead of the god they see him as.
Which is sad and hilarious because the NPCs have abandonment issues too and are afraid that Ainz will leave them if they don't live up to the expectations of such a perfect and wise god-like being.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

kek

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Meanwhile, Albedo is in the corner stroking an ever expanding hate boner for the rest of AOO for leaving them. Shit's going to go down if they ever show up again.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Damn horny lizards.

TreeEater
TreeEater

chair
Gets me every time

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

This is missing the deep internal monologue he has about giving the talk to the twins because he thinks they are kids.

Despite being dark elves.

TreeEater
TreeEater

not anon you replied to and it depends on how you count, but usually with historical plate armour you have at least a padded jack and other padding under your steel pieces, the padding tends to have lots of layers too, so, yeah

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

nigh-stabproof
gambesons are fucking amazing, don't get me wrong (i know because i have one), but stab proof is debatable

hairygrape
hairygrape

i totally get you and I'm guilty of this. i have a difficult time killing my darlings in that regard, like, i keep coming up with races that i think might be interesting and fitting and keep trying to throw them in... luckily my latest setting only has 2 non-human races and that doesn't stand to change any time soon.

SniperWish
SniperWish

gambesons
What's so great about them?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

what if you can't even make a human character interesting?
what if you CAN make a non-human character interesting?

TechHater
TechHater

Another thread?

Snarelure
Snarelure

Eh, maybe. If someone else doesn't make it. This topic was actually better than I thought it would turn out. We did have some interesting discussion

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Nabe is literally autistic though.

Lupus genuinely asks her if she's pretending to retarded, at one point.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

surprisingly decent protection
keeps you warm in the winter, absorbs sweat in the summer, which makes it kinda self-cooling
turns fatal blow into surface wound
doesn't cost a fortune worthy of a Baron

(btw maille wasn't cheap, it was actually fairly expensive because of the huge amount of work it takes to make)

farquit
farquit

Shalltear took the magical equivalent of a nuke directly to the face.

Fallen Down. It flattened a several hundred meter area.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Not even sure ainz could take [a nuke].
What is Wall of Force

SniperWish
SniperWish

What is Wall of Force
It's a wall of force, anon. It's right there in the name.

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