Having a female Strength-primary warrior in your party

>having a female Strength-primary warrior in your party

>She's a different race
>While a male of her race would curb stomp her in a fight as expected, compared to your average human man she could do the same

She is a draconian. She can easily crush the hardiest male human barbarian.

>being X race means I can defeat a Human PC of any level!

Then X race wouldn't be playable and would have no purpose in the campaign beyond a source for Mary Sues. If you mean Dragonborn, they have a Strength bonus that a Human can, indeed, match, and would likely be offset entirely by her being female.

You realize that even if she has a negative modifier to Strength, that doesn't mean that her overall Strength is necessarily low?
Basically, imagine a steroid machine who has been training all her life to be a ruthless machine of death, destruction and premenstrual syndrome.

Now ask yourself, do you really want to deal with this monstrosity?

SO if you are not going to include proper stat differences for races, then why would you include stat differences for genders?

Is my character a halfway trained man in semi-fit shape? If so, yes, I'm pumped full of testosterone with much denser muscle fibers, I'd wipe the floor with her the way even no-name male fighters beat champion female fighters. Except that wouldn't happen because someone else would have beaten me to it and put her in her place while she was "training to be a machine of death" lmao.

At least in that case people know it's fantasy bullshit. What's worse is when people try to justify some scrawny bitch being faster than a muscular dude and actually believe it.
>but he's twice her size therefore he must be a lumbering idiot compared to her!
Fucking idiots.

Menstrual cramps put woman in a bad mood, but they don't give them any extra strength. In fact, the pain distracts and weakens them.

>proper stat differences for races

What do you mean by that? Because your first post implied that the race in question is something where a level 1 can defeat a level 20 Human Barbarian, which makes me think you're a nogames retard.

And again, no reason to choose her over a male who can actually perform his role competently and isn't useless a few days per month.

And if a male of her race isn't available, and if her race doesn't menstruate?

This. OP shouldn't have specified Strength-primary because the same goes for Dex. There's a reason men and women compete separately in all categories.

Then go with a member of some other race. A male human Fighter has always worked just fine, and since he's not an "average" person can probably out-bench her anyway. Unless this is some completely gonzo game and you have a female Ogre or something, in which case the penalties outweigh the advantages.

>In fact, the pain distracts and weakens them.
You mean, puts them into Unholy Rage that increases their Strength and Constitution, right?

>if a male of her race isn't available

Does your party have diversity quotas or something?

HOLD THAT FUCKING PHONE NIGGA, you saying that a woman cant hit? Your mom obviously didnt raise you right.
You wanna try and fight a human being who's been training to fight their entire lives it wont matter their gender, you screw up, open your guard, do anything, they WILL lay you the fuck out, so I must say, fuck off with your shit m8

Unless this is bait.

Cause you know.

It looks a lot like bait.

But strong girls are my fetish. It's best if I get to play a scrawny nerdy wizard in the same party.

No it's just literally in that tavern at the start of the game she's the only one there.

What if she's the best one there?

>"Oh fuck, skeletons are attacking, or we have to clear out the goblins from a cave, who should we take?"

The female orc warrior or the human male warrior, the latter being stronger and appropriately civlized enough.

Or there happens to be a fairly capable female half-ogre or whatever, with such a race being renowned for its strength but fairly rare. Even if you assume the female half-ogre has lower str, a male version just isn't available for you to recruit in her place.

what was that fantasy series were the girl was from a planet of warriors? the average person was like 10 foot tall and she was 8 foot, small for her race. they are all completely ferocious and natural fighters. she was recruited as a body guard for the king and completely destroyed any male combatants from planet earth despite being a lesser specimen on her home planet. she was a rarity because people from her home planet viewed her subservience as weakness and could not be bought for money. she was an incredibly effective guard and followed her lord unquestionably as he rescued her from a child trafficking ring and gave her freedom.

i think that is a pretty good example tbqhwyf

Can we skip right over the agonizing middle part where people go back and forth trying to either cite or refute historical examples of women in combat and go right to the musclegirl cheesecake part

Whoops, meant former but that should be obvious.

No, just the opposite. It hurts, it makes you bitchy and irritable because it's your body punishing you for not being pregnant, it's a painful biological process not a fucking combat stimm. Have you EVER spoken to someone with ovaries in your life?

She enhanced both her muscles and her shield with magic and by growing up with three older brothers.

This made her a surprisingly intelligent battering ram.

Go to another tavern and find a male warrior.

>The female orc warrior or the human male warrior, the latter being stronger and appropriately civlized enough.

I'm assuming you mean half-orc and former instead of latter. No, because you have to contrive the situation to make her higher level for her to have more Strength than he does, in which case the problem is level, not race. She, being a woman, would not be stronger than a male Human of equivalent training unless you're using homebrewed "orcs" that are essentially a race of Kryptonian-tier superhumans or fangy green Saiyans.

Because a male Dragonborn or Half-Orc is much more common and would be flat-out better considering Half-Ogres usually get stats on par with Goliaths and as a female her Strength would be reduced.

>historical examples

Then she's a Mystic or a Cleric using buff spells to make up for her subpar physical stats, not a Strength-primary Fighter or Barbarian. Maybe she could be one of those Warlock gish builds that use Charisma as an attack stat?

I think I might have some? Let me check...

Gestalt Brawler|Magus, actually. STR primary, INT/DEX secondary, CON tertiary, WIS baseline, CHA utterly laughable.

>gestalt
>Pathfinder
>Strength-primary female

Town has one tavern, or the tavern is being attacked at that moment. Or feel free to go looking, you don't find anyone nearly as competent or strong.

>I'm assuming you mean half-orc

You assume wrong.

>you have to contrive the situation to make her higher level for her to have more Strength than he does

At best, if he has it has his human-chosen stat boost, he gets a +2 to strength. Orcs get a +4 racial bonus to strength by default. She's stronger than him by every measure. You're free to assume that being a warrior he trained in Strength so his score isn't just 10+2. But then, so did she since she's a warrior. Again, her stat score is better than his can be, and she's stronger.

>She, being a woman, would not be stronger than a male Human of equivalent training

Yes she would, she's an orc.

>unless you're using homebrewed "orcs"

Nah, basic, normal orcs.

All of the women I know with three older brothers are the opposite of "rough and tumble" because the boys invariably are told to play nice with her and protected her from harm throughout her childhood. The closest thing to a tough girl would be an oldest sister with no brothers and younger sisters to look out for, especially if she's ugly. And she'd still lose to a man.

AND THAT'S NOT ALL

IT WAS THE SHOCKING GRASP BUILD
YOU KNOW THE ONE
BUT IT WAS ALSO A SHIELD BASH/SHIELD TOSS BUILD SO I COULD CAPTAIN AMERICA WHILE I SHOCKING GRASPED

Does it hurt yet?

>And again, no reason to choose her over a male who can actually perform his role competently and isn't useless a few days per month.
>All species have periods

She is a she-hawk and you best do well to be wary.

>isn't useless a few days per month.

This is almost uniquely a human thing. Most mammals don't go through our difficult menstruation process, how many times have we gone over this?

>there are currently two (((female character))) threads up on Veeky Forums right now

the absolute state of things

That's a rather 20th-21st century thing, isn't it?

>resorting to pathetic copypasta as (you) bait

Do we have to have two of these threads at once? Can't we contain the shitposting to one thread?

>all men are strong nowadays
You're forgetting, most men aren't strong nowadays.

Is there ever a version of this discussion that doesn't devolve into one side saying half of all viking warriors were women and the other side saying they could personally beat up the strongest woman in the world because this feels like a lot of wheel spinning as is

>dnd
>pathfinder

He got BTFO last thread, so of course not.

I have a Strength secondary female witch in the party who is stronger than the male human paladin, and she looks 14.

The version where people just start posting pics of Red Sonja or something.

>not having a hyena beastwoman as your party's Strength-primary warrior

>You assume wrong

Holy fuck, m8

>Hey guys, rather than hiring a Human, let's go find a female member of a feral patriarchal tribe whose women are primarily for breeding purposes and bring this savage with us.

>
At best, if he has it has his human-chosen stat boost, he gets a +2 to strength. Orcs get a +4 racial bonus to strength by default. She's stronger than him by every measure. You're free to assume that being a warrior he trained in Strength so his score isn't just 10+2. But then, so did she since she's a warrior. Again, her stat score is better than his can be, and she's stronger.

That assumes absolutely no Strength penalty for being female. There is at least a -2 in there, I believe some clever user mathed it out using Olympic results and came to the conclusion that -4 Strength was actually not just a meme but the most generous possible result. So either she's got +2, and no glorious free feat for being Human, or she's got +0 and is fucking useless.

If, as you said, there are skeletons that need clearing out, a brawny Human male or Half-Orc male (more common and better stats compared to female Orc) would be a flat-out better choice. Even in your most contrived scenario where you're using DM-fiat to say there's nobody "nearly as competent or strong", it requires shattering suspension of disbelief that anyone would take a female Orc over a male of another race for purposes other than titillation.

On top of all this, Orcs (barring porny half-orcs with tiny tusks and very human features) are violent and hideous. Congratulations, my friend, you have composed THE dumbest post on Veeky Forums right now.

aren't spartan women said to be military trained to the point where they are called the last line of defense?

>you have composed THE dumbest post on Veeky Forums right now.
>in your own post, talking about -4 Strength

lol not even worth a proper reponse. Shitty bait, shitty troll, try harder next time fag

No, it just means I dismiss your example because Pathfinder is for fags.

Stronger than women.

>tits exposed
>obviously ornamental chainmail
>slutty dress
>thot pout

Bruh, that's a ho holding a decorative sword, not a barbarian.

Don't trip over your tail between your legs as you scuttle away.

You forgot that this whole scenario involves allowing a full-blooded Orc in the party in the first place. It's beyond grasping at straws.

If that's the strangest you've seen in an adventuring party, then you really need to play more games.

>having meatbags in your party
When will humans learn?

>I play a pubescent girl who I maintain is stronger than a male Paladin

I'd say something about how your example just proves you're cancer and how dumb that is, but you're already playing Pathfinder. How does your example disprove OP's point anyway?

This thread is bad so now it's a thread for gifs of Samantha Wright being cute

>having a female in your party

...

The people who want to play catfolk or myconids because they can't roleplay an interesting character and have to use an unusual race as a crutch are godawful. I've been in plenty of groups with "le wacky kenku rogue XD", that doesn't make it good, and in most of those cases it's not a species that most human guards would kill on sight.

Or it's some edgelord picking the biggest Strength-bonus race he can find prior to 5e reining people in for minmaxing purposes, but they usually play dudes anyway.

>being specifically butthurt about female adventurers

>Playing Dan unironically

>it triggers me so it's bad

Glad to see you people still can't argue.

I want Samantha Wright to pick me up and slam me face first into a brick wall, snapping my neck and killing me instantly

hush, no more bait. Only qt weightlifters

I'll have you know if I played a Myconid it's because I wanted those special abilities more than I wanted a bonus feat.

Perhaps the same could be said of OP.

If you think catfolk or myconid characters can't be interesting simply because of their race, then you really need to play more games.

Your average male high school athlete could do what she's doing. It wouldn't be as cute, implying women might deserve a Cha bonus, but a man with the same amount of training she has could crush her in the thing she's dedicated her life to.

They never are. Invariably, it's a crutch for people who can't roleplay to try to be interesting in other ways. Anything unique about them comes from their strange race rather than their personality or story.

>in b4 "muh slutty catgirl was totally cool and interesting and everyone loved her"

>never
>invariably
>all these absolutes

I didn't know we invited Sith here.

>the female Strength-primary warrior is being too aggressive with the male healer
>Oh it must be her mating season

If you think the only thing that can ever be unique or interesting about them is their race, then you really need to play more games.

Wait, don't female warriors in fantasy settings explicitly exist as rapebait?

>pic related

No, and you may want to speak to a professional if that's literally the first thing that came to mind.

It's true and you know it. I won't indulge this dumb "my hypothetical character is special" nonsense. At best they're as interesting as a human with different stats, but that's rare because, again, they're used as a crutch by people who substitute race for personality.

>I won't listen to any spurious anecdotal evidence except my own

You can't argue by plugging your ears, user. Who hurt you? Was it Obi-Wan?

>the female Strength-primary warrior gets raped because her inferior muscle density makes her bad at her job
>the healer raises her mutt child because he's a cuck
>aww how sweet

If interesting as a human with different stats is the best that you can see them as, then you really need to play more games.

Name one competent, nonmagical female warrior. One.

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on rape as a result of any action besides being in the kitchen.

How about you stop begging the question, moving the goalposts, and examine WHY you assume the authors' intent was to place them there as rape bait?

Are you perhaps projecting your own motives onto the authors of these settings?

Also, have you ever heard of a place called Dahomey?

Can the badwrongfun meme please just die already? I can't see any reason besides it for this thread to exist

Are you twelve?

The whole condescending psychoanalysis thing doesn't lend any credence to your argument. The stories created were better before the infusion of anime-esque and furry races into the game. You know it, too, you haven't even given me an example of an interesting character from an exotic race where the interesting traits they had didn't derive from their species.

It'll never die. Somewhere there will always be someone screaming about "realism" that always coincidentally affects every group BESIDES the one they belong to.

Every single system I play has no mechanical penalty for being female. Thus, the 22 Strength 9 foot tall Ogress one handing a club that's bigger than you is pulling her weight and kicking ass. So is the 18 strength human woman in Full Plate running orcs through with her lance. They bought the stats, so they are that competent. No ifs ands or buts. No "but you should apply a -4 separate from race chosen to drag the lancer down to 14".

Piss off.

If you think race is what determines how interesting they are as a character you need to read more books in general.

>were better

On what objective basis? You're not actually giving me an argument to refute, user. You're stating your opinion as fact with the stated intent not to change it, and then somehow expecting me to argue in good faith when you are doing anything but.

What do you think happened to female partisans in every war ever fought by mankind? You have a bunch of soldiers with their blood up, testosterone washing away their inhibitions, catching a smaller, weaker female who they've mentally dehumanized because she's The Enemy. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows, buddy, they get fucking raped.

Because OP wasn't makign a point, he's just complainign abotu badwrongfun, just like you.

I'm having badwrongfun AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME.

>You know it, too
Are you seriously going with "even you know I'm right and you're wrong" argument?

Or, you know, killed? That thing every soldier is at risk of?

Not even one example? Good for you, at least you're intellectually honest enough to not try to pretend Joan of Arc was anything but a figurehead.

And machines can crush the strongest of men like a grape. Do not play humans.

>not even one example

That's begging the question AND shifting the burden of proof. You are not arguing in good faith.

>Roll a will save or you rape the princess

user most settings don't even have playable machines, that's kind of moot.

If you think that's what I was implying, then you really need to improve your reading comprehension.

Plenty of them do. Don't play humans.

so you concede that I can play a female STR warrior so long as its actually just a warforged with a sufficiently feminine demeanor

Name an exception. Give me an example of one Tabaxi who stood out, one Dragonborn who defied the "strong warrior race" stereotype without being defined by being the opposite of that stereotype. Dwarves, Humans, Elves, Halflings, Half-Orcs, Half-Elves, even Tieflings to some extent, are all normalized enough that if you make one it usually has something to set it apart (except for Dwarves, honestly, who tend to be a race of stereotypes). An actual personality. A CHARACTER. Wacky Kenku Rogue #1168 and Wacky Kenku Rogue #452 will be identical in all but name if described to a neutral third party.

Let's be fair, though, they usually get killed afterwards. Russian girls in WW2, VC girls in 'nam...

See now you're thinking smarts.

Am I an Orc, and is the Princess on the battlefield where she's been trying to kill my tribesmen? Because if the answer to both questions is yes, she's gonna get raped.

You may be looking for but honestly I have no problem with gynoid warriors, or gynoid psions for that matter.