>hey anons ! This is an X-card ! It is not mandatory to use them, but I will give some of them to you just in case, because... well, you know ? It can be useful, that's all I'm saying. But you are really not forced to use them at all if you don't want to... even if, well, you never know what might happen at our table. We just need something for people to feel safer around here, am I right ? ;)
It's a card that instead of saying 'I'm not comfortable with what's happening, could we skip it or can I take a break while you work through it?' You instead silently scream that you have an inability to deal with things you find distasteful in a meaningful manner and that you are that big a manchild you won't even talk about it.
Anthony Green
remember this was amde before gubergate
Landon Cox
Can't you just tell him? If it's really that bad other players might feel uncomfortable too. That's way to autistic.
Isaiah Thompson
Are you having a stroke?
Mason Howard
It's for when you can't even. Apparently it happens to some people. In the wider sense of the word "people".
Jeremiah Ward
Also, it's entirely inadequate as a message. If the players discover the local cleft has been molesting crippled/amputee war orphans (an extreme example), someone plays an x card.
Why? Orphans? War Orphans? Cripples? Amputees? Clergy? Religion? Paedophilia? Sexual Assault? Injured kids? The only use for the card is to avoid talking about things in a destructive manner that will lead to the user being completely unable of coping with the real world. Probably explaining why they have an x-card as they're attempting to flee from the inadequacies they have that must be caused by horrible trauma or the horrific things people do.
People should be forced into a crash course of the worst moments in history so they can understand how minor their problems are. Gulags, Holocaust, Khmer, US carpet bombings of Cambodia and Laos.
Brayden Ramirez
Why? Did it >trigger you?
Carter Parker
I laugh along with my mates, because there'd be no way any of us would suggest we use this at all seriously.
Joshua Smith
>People should be forced into a crash course of the worst moments in history so they can understand how minor their problems are. Gulags, Holocaust, Khmer, US carpet bombings of Cambodia and Laos.
This. Desensitising future generations would help to avoid another generation of dumb SJW's ruining their own lives as well as those of others.
Also >mfw X-cards
Logan Gomez
I can see why some people like the X-card, i personally don't see the need for it, but maybe in like convention games etc, where you're playing with people you don't know, playing a game you might not know much about. No skin of my nose.
But as points out, the problem is that X-card is not all that clear, someone objects, but the actual reason of objection would be unclear.
So, a half-baked, flawed idea with decent intentions.
Jason Nelson
That doesn't seem THAT stupid. It formalises a way of "not dealing with shit" that doesn't require justification or explanation, which might be good if the some of the players are less confident / more awkward. The video mentions conventions, and I'd imagine it would make the most sense there. As mentions though, in more complex situations it might not be clear enough to work without explanation, which removes some of the point. I'd suspect that'd be pretty rare - It'll generally be pretty clear what element of a situation someone is having problems with.
>The only use for the card is to avoid talking about things in a destructive manner that will lead to the user being completely unable of coping with the real world. What? How the hell does that follow?
>People should be forced into a crash course of the worst moments in history so they can understand how minor their problems are. That's dumb. People don't work that way, and beating them with the "other people have worse problems" stick generally just makes things worse. Firstly because dismissing other people's problems doesn't FIX those problems, and secondly because it's transparently an attempt to try and make yourself look better by comparison.
Carter Cruz
>It's another /pol/ dogwhistle about the "suhjudubyu boogeymen"
Do you fucks get paid for these threads?
Camden Smith
Poor form. Experience is subjective, not objective. If the worst pain you've ever felt is stubbing your toe, then it's the worst pain you've ever felt. Even if you know that someone else was once impaled through the anus and fed to fire ants, for you stubbing your toe is the worst pain you can experience.
Robert Lopez
I love that people who bitch about X cards, always fail to mention that they're meant for use at con games, with groups of random, not for your personal playgroup of friends you can just say "yo, I'm not cool with this" to. They're a tool with a very specific purpose, and shouldn't be used outside of that purpose.
David Green
the word that is not gubergate is banned I think
Hunter Brown
>How do you react ? 'Alright.' with a noncommittal nod. I mean, it's no skin of my back, so who cares.
But to be honest this x-card stuff seems like some/tg/-flavored SJW-boogeyman. Has anybody here ever even a) seen it irl and b) 'misused' in the way that everybody seems to think it would be?
James Ramirez
>Poor form. Experience is subjective, not objective. Wait, what? People are coughing up /pol/'s favourite "real people are born from suffering, prosperity breeds degeneracy" crap, and the implied objectivity of experience is the bit that offends you?
Nathan Miller
WRONG. these sjw transgressions are not tolerated by real men. Your filthy agenda has been exposed, freak.
Cooper Bell
>Do you fucks get paid for these threads?
Depends what you mean with paid.
Negative/boring situations have a negative happnines value of -Y
Positive/good situations have a positive happines value of +y
We believe that if we make people learn, the amount of happiness situations we will get at the future and sad situations we will remove at the future, will make up for the negative happines value we get from having to spend our time posting this
Gavin Miller
If it's someone you give a shit about, you could probably take the time to discuss why they need to bring a card while playing in a fantasy environment. That way you start them on the path to building a stronger Ego, you hope.
Otherwise, why are you playing with people you don't mesh with?
Jason Carter
If you wanted to complete the meme, have the greentext DM say that HE will use them against HIMSELF.
Alexander Edwards
I tap the X-card immediately >I am X-carding the X-card as the concept of censorship makes me uncomfortable, coming from an incredibly censorship heavy country.
Cameron Morris
What does value "non-existent situations" have? X-card are an insanely rare practice and this thread does nothing but bring politics to a board doesn't belong.
If only the mods got paid, maybe the board would be better then.
Brandon Nelson
Not going to lie, the basic premise is understandable and even quite reasonable. Some people have some serious hangups/issues that they really don't want to expose to questioning which might come from drawing too much attention to it. And you can't always predict what the content of a session will be.
However the problem becomes identifying what they're uncomfortable with, which might render the card pointless.
And dealing with the kind of faggots who do it just for virtue signalling or because they don't "like" certain topics.
Austin Evans
I'm pretty sure that's not what the word "censorship" means.
Josiah Fisher
It's not a dogwhistle if it fools nobody.
David Clark
It's not about politics, it's about a debilitating cocooning practice that some people want to shoehorn into RPG's as a whole. Google up that shit, and see the problem for yourself.
Juan Gutierrez
I raise/tap/whatever the x-card at random times during the game just to fuck with them since I'm a peti bitch. Preferably during moments I know the tumblr put alot of time into.
Charles Collins
You are not supposed to explain why you used the card.
Christopher Martin
It should be called the "Guys... come on..." Card.
Cooper Reyes
Well i mentioned that X-card would not be a bad idea for conventions because
>why are you playing with people you don't mesh with?
Obviously because in conventions you might not know the people you're playing with.
For my typical group the X-card would be somewhat useless, since we've been playing together for years, i know my players, and we know we're our limits are.
Easton Nelson
>However the problem becomes identifying what they're uncomfortable with, which might render the card pointless. How often would it really be ambiguous? If every other time it's used you need to play charades to find out why, then the idea fails. But if the reason is clear >90% of the time, I could still see the cards being helpful in a convention-like context where the players don't know each other well.
Andrew Walker
No, have a nice game.
Just so you know, if you need an X-card, you will be disinvited to all of my games, because we have mature subject matter. it's not for children. If you need an X-card, you're a child. Do I need to explain why? Or will that trigger you?
Lucas Jackson
Then I flash the "Shut the fuck up virgin" card. And by card, I mean hundred dollar bill you only see when you're getting your payday loan to pay your mom rent since you're such an independent millenial fucktard.
Oh look, I win.
Michael Adams
Well LARPed dude, I bet you are cool in real life too
Oliver Barnes
>X-card would not be a bad idea for convention It was invented to be used at conventions for speedy conflict resolution with large groups, not for smaller, consistent groups. This is more like a /v/ joke where the memes and half truths supplant anything resembling intelligence.
Camden Parker
>it's about a debilitating cocooning practice that some people want to shoehorn into RPG's as a whole. Games are supposed to be enjoyable. Hammering at a player's issues because you think "it's for their own good" just makes you a dick.
> If you need an X-card, you're a child. Do I need to explain why? Or will that trigger you? Generally, self-awareness is considered to be part of maturity. Knowing what you do and don't want to see in a game pretty clearly falls under the category of "self-awareness".
Asher Martinez
I experienced it the other way around. I've had 2 seperate groups of people wanting to do x-card bullshit.
Adrian Stewart
Look, assblasted tumblr, if you summon up the titanic strength to waddle your four hundred pounds of "health" into a place with REAL PEOPLE, then maybe you can eke out just the tiniest bit more to deal with it when grownups use adult language. But then living in the real world probably triggers you so hard you need to cry in your "safe space"
Jacob Sullivan
Fpbp, nobody outside of c-list conventions uses or has even heard of this bullshit. Pleas delete this thread and also kill yourself if possible OP
Adam Allen
Sorry, user. Unlike the boogeyman, the X-card is real thing, created by a real retard to be used in real games to make make them really nice and inclusive to real people with made-up issues.
Jack Adams
[Come on dude...]
Levi Cook
What makes you a dick is shoving a card through your DM's throat because you, and you alone, are being personally disgusted by his depiction of orks raiding an encampment, and asking him to change it all on the spot to suit your egotistical needs. That's just being a precious little "triggered" snowflake.
Jaxson White
>It was invented to be used at conventions
Yeah i'm aware, and it serves a purpose in that setting, outside that setting it becomes somewhat pointless. But some anons in this very thread seem to talk about X-cards in home games, hence my defense for the use in conventions.
Nathaniel Ortiz
Yeah? You wanna have a confrontation? C'mon, show me what you got. I'm sure you're so skilled at handling a REAL PERSON while jacking off to cartoon ponies. Fucking beta.
Josiah Parker
>Experience is subjective, not objective >Implying human beings are incapable of empathy and can't transfer experience between each other >Implying this isn't one of the core properties that allows us to accomplish anything as a species >Literally stating that pain is only pain if it happens to you and noone else
>People don't work that way, and beating them with the "other people have worse" stick Look, wether or not anyone gains an appreciation for how terrible the world can really be or if it puts their current plights in perspective, there's NO JUSTIFICATION for not knowing your history. If anything, people shouldn't be given a "crash course" as said, but be given the entire fucking history of the human race with detailed analysis of why and how these things occured. I can however gurantee that someone who has developed the intellectual capacity to comprehend the facts of history will never need an X-card. And because history is something everyone should know without exception, it follows that no-one needs the X-card. Ergo, it is dumb and pointless. QED.
As a corollary being unconfident and awkward is something that shouldn't happen either because formal competitive debate should be an obligatory sport along with shit like football and baseball in junior high and equivalent school levels. It makes no sense to make kids develop their bodies and minds but not their oratory skills.
Landon Butler
You see, when I realize someone has a trigger, I have an instinctive urge to hammer that button until something breaks.
Kayden Brooks
And why exactly should this even be used in conventions ? How someone stoping you from describing something because of some arbitrary reason he/she/who cares doesn't even have to explain helps you presenting your rpg in any way ? That's just plain stupid.
Julian Ramirez
Fucking OWNED. STEM 4 lyfe bro
Chase Baker
I'd rather pass out sporks for the player to hold up if the game isn't random enough.
Evan Fisher
[Dude... really?...]
Christian Richardson
Why did you put a fictional event in your list ?
Easton Hughes
Show them true horrors from history, evoke some empathy (they're supposed to be good at that, no?) and let that be their new standard for "worst thing".
David Gray
Yeah, you heard me. Now roll to see if you're impregnated, since you just got fucked so hard..
Christian Howard
Whoa whoa WHOA ! X-carded.
Jackson Jenkins
It's not the self awareness that is causing trouble, it's the lack of awareness of others that makes the X-card so vile. It's a self-righteous, self-involved, self-serving virtue signal.
Asher Bell
Virtue signalling is the #1 problem in Veeky Forums right now. Paladin threads, complaining about 40k, reporting porn threads, trying to get minorities included, its all a massive problem of tumblr constantly attacking us.
Michael Davis
[No, just...no...]
Jose Carter
>and asking him to change it all on the spot to suit your egotistical needs. If the DM is making players seriously uncomfortable, asking them to change stuff isn't egotistical, it's participating in the game. If you're committed to the game, it's not unreasonable to have some say about what it's going to be like.
>Look, wether or not anyone gains an appreciation for how terrible the world can really be or if it puts their current plights in perspective, there's NO JUSTIFICATION for not knowing your history. >I can however guarantee that someone who has developed the intellectual capacity to comprehend the facts of history will never need an X-card. And you know this based on what? Is there a psychology paper, or is this just you gut feelings? Having an understanding of history doesn't magically confer an inability to be upset by things, in the same way having a knowledge of programming doesn't magically make people rational. You seem to be assuming people who are uncomfortable about something, are that way because they've decided whatever has happened is terrible by historical standards. And that's a completely absurd view.
Joseph Baker
>why exactly should this even be used in conventions
Because the players are all strangers to eachother, you don't know what things might bother someone.
>How someone stoping you from describing something because of some arbitrary reason...
Because it bothers them, and the whole point of the x-card is that the person does not then have to give a detailed report as to why it bothers them, cause the reasons are often personal. I mean, it's not criticism of your game, it's just a player saying "this thing is making me uncomfortable, can we just move past it and not over analyze it". It does not stop your game, nor does it stop you from presenting your rpg, all it does is fast-forward past the part that makes someone uncomfortable.
I stress again that i don't see the X-card having much use in homegames, but in conventions with strangers it's not a terrible idea.
Jaxson Rivera
X-cards were designed as a Band-Aid to social dynamics in convention games where you don't know anyone and explaining you were raped as a kid or whatever is really inconvenient because you're playing with strangers you'll never see again.
In a normal group the thing to do is to actually talk about what is or isn't acceptable and why, and not to substitute x-cards for mature social interaction.
I would think it's kind of a dumb idea in my home group for that reason, but I'd be like "whatever" if it's a convention game.
Christopher Robinson
If someone actually pulled one of these the game would end immediately because I’d be laughing so hard I wouldn’t be able to do anything else.
Eli Turner
Looks pretty useless. Aside form the fact that all players should very well know what the tone of the game is before they sit down to play, you could just speak up and say "sorry, I can't handle this". Or better yet, tell the GM that you can't deal with some stuff before the game even starts. Is personal interaction so difficult that we have to limit it to an exchange of meaningless cardboard pieces?
Ian Murphy
>LARPed -> *sperged His post reeks of the autism.
Lucas Johnson
Dude, repeating yourself isn't going to change the fact that you got BTFO by that guy.
You are super concerned about how everyon thinks about your feelings. Maybe enough to signal that you've got "virture" huh? I can only imagine what color the sky is in your world (probably rainbows since blue is patriarchal or some liberal garbage)
Brandon Nelson
Generally speaking, any time I've seen people use these, they're dfoing it for inane reasons that involve the GM simply running the module.
It's incredible stupid, and it reaslly does hold up the game while the GM has to say "welp, I guess we won't get into that combat because it's triggering people". You can't run a game with idiots who think the X-card is their special device to make them unique and interesting.
Robert Peterson
But you can tell your group "I'm not really comfortable witht the way this is going for personal reasons", and anyone that isn't an ass will drop the subject or find a way to work around it. And it's not like asshole GMs are gonna accept X-cards to begin with.
I know some tabletop gamers aren't exactly social butterflies, and playing with strangers can be intimidating, but I think it's better to learn to express yourself without crutches.
Besides, we constantly see threads about people wanting to go back at their GM or their group, so I think trying to discuss things like adults is always a good idea.
tl; dr: X-cards are a terrible idea.
thanks, I feel comforted in my resolution to educate sturmniggers everytime they pop out.
Alexander Richardson
>Paladin threads, complaining about 40k Old traditions around here
>reporting porn threads Distasteful attitude. Veeky Forums needs some tits, some hot studs and some Delicious Traps here and there to maintain its creative juices.
>trying to get minorities included Neutral on this front, as long as it's not some straight-up obvious SJW propaganda bullshit.
I don't think "tumblr" has much to do with any of those.
Brandon Hernandez
What is with you people repeating your failed arguments like they mean anything?
Mason Jackson
>it's the lack of awareness of others that makes the X-card so vile. What lack of awareness of others? If you were in a group of a hundred people then I could wrap my head around "well one person won't like this, but 99 will love it" style arithmetic. But this is about tabletop games, your group is probably smaller than six. If something's happened that's actually upsetting to one of the players, then avoiding that issue is pretty clearly going to be best for the group as a whole.
>virtue signal Oh come on. Now you're just throwing out buzzwords.
Eli Cox
I honestly use x-cards at my table because it's fun to trigger fa/tg/uys.
But in all seriousness, the only reason I hate the x-card is that whoever wrote that explanation was clearly masturbating over their own "brilliance" the whole time. It's a piece of paper you point to when you need to sit out for a second or don't want to roleplay your experiences of sexual abuse in front of your friends. Stop talking about it like it's some complex invention you poured hours into.
Dominic Evans
Except at a convention none of those things could happen.
Austin Wright
Why bother to enter a social situation if you’re so fragile you need to rely on shit like this? Spend your money on therapy, not cons. It is not my responsibility to alter how I live in order to accommodate your baggage.
Isaiah Morales
its the new sage! get on it while its hot
Jaxon Garcia
Am I crazy or did these used to be called Red Cards and would be the kind of thing that a referee might use to announce a foul?
David Johnson
>People with PTSD should just lock themselves up and never go outside, or engage in social activities, because they might inconvenience people.
Evan Thomas
Are there some themes you don't want to see? I'd rather know what to prepare for ahead of time than feel like walking through a minefield the whole game and have to adjust on the fly. You can write them down if you'd really rather not talk about it. Otherwise, I'm sorry, but I don't think you'll enjoy playing with us.
Jason Thomas
Well sadly you can't fix stupid, some people will always be asshats.
Me personally, i've only seen the X-card being used in a couple horror games to skip over some more graphic descriptions of violence, the game didn't end, the module was finished without problems, just the overall gore factor was reduced a bit, and everyone still had fun.
Jaxson Baker
FINALLY, you fucking liberals start to fucking understand your place
Logan Allen
These aren't people having massive panic attacks. They're just no longer having any fun. Which is why they play games.
There places between utterly uneffected and unable to function.
Carson Gutierrez
No, people with PTSD should seek help so they can learn to deal with life.
Which is what I said. Learn to read.
David Richardson
>You are super concerned about how everyon thinks about your feelings. Sure. If I'm playing a game for fun with a group of people, and one of those people isn't having fun, that's clearly a problem. Why would "feelings" be unimportant in a role playing game?
>Maybe enough to signal that you've got "virture" huh? That makes absolutely no sense. What does virtual signalling have to do with this?
>I can only imagine what color the sky is in your world (probably rainbows since blue is patriarchal or some liberal garbage) ????????????
>It's incredible stupid, and it reaslly does hold up the game while the GM has to say "welp, I guess we won't get into that combat because it's triggering people". If you don't agree with someone about whether or not the basic elements of the game you are playing are fun, why the fuck are you playing that game with that person?
Henry Gomez
Because people who are "fragile" are still allowed to have fun.
Jayden Sanders
I honestly can't tell what the point of those posts is. Is it trolling? Are these strawmen? Are this real opinions?
Lincoln Turner
So you're saying the Armed Forces, and Veterans are nothing but liberals and pussies, and their reward for their service to our great nation should be ostracism?
Isaiah Rodriguez
No. You goddamned speshul snowflake fuckbags leech my money, you leech my time, you leech my patience, you do not leech my fun too! Fuck off!
Brody Mitchell
>And you know this based on what? Is there a psychology paper, or is this just you gut feelings? I know this because I'm intelligent. I assume you don't only because you are not. >You seem to be assuming people who are uncomfortable about something, are that way because they've decided whatever has happened is terrible by historical standards. I'm assuming that anyone who needs a defence mechanism against discomfort to the point of not conveying it verbally has either not studied history or has chosen to forget it.
>having a knowledge of programming doesn't magically make people rational. I don't know what "knowledge of programming" is but I know that training in the field of coding is exactly that, training in being able to think logically and only logically for lengthly periods of time. There's no magic to it, either you learn to do it or you fail the course. And if you get fe-fee's every time code doesn't compile instead of troubleshooting effectively you will never learn.
I don't understand why you want to have this argument. Intelligent, learned people are superiorly trained to deal with world issues than those that aren't, that's why education even exists. Needing an X-card is the equivalent of failing things people learn in elementary school. It's the mark of someone who either needs an asylum confinement or another 6-10 years before they can play pen-and-paper games.
So congratulations. You've "proven" the card may be useful for the mentally ill and kindergarten children. An adult at a convention doesn't need it.
Christopher Stewart
Eat a bag of dicks
t. A real veteran
Wyatt Mitchell
Soldiers who serve know that broken men don't serve a purpose. They rehab and get better and don't cry like little liberal bitches because someone had a tiny little joke about getting their dick wet.
Jonathan Garcia
Did you get triggered? Maybe you should point at your X-card.
Aiden Stewart
Convention usually feature pre written adventures as far as i know, so you might very well be able to know beforehanded if your weak spot is in danger. Also you can still say "no sorry, can't do that" instead of throwing a pretentious cardboard square on the table. It is not like you have to explain why.
Owen Hernandez
Safe-space apologists.
Luis Myers
Yep. I've got hit by a bike and as a result I have a phobia of them, yet I ain't gonna take potshots every time I see one, or request an exclusion zone. You just have to deal with that shit. My deployment went just fine, however: Funny how you shouldn't judge trauma, yet some are clearly more acceptable than others. I would be way more coodled if I pretended that bike engines remind me of gunfights.