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Still can't believe he thought this was a good idea.
Lucas Scott
>I only have a beef with people that don't like DIS because it's dark - already pretty explored territory for Trek It's not dark, it's edgy. edgy in that tired-out THERE ARE NO HEROES WAAH way every single literature student thinks is innovative. >- or because it has a darkie as the main character- also pretty damn well explored. >main character She's not. She's a plot device everyone on the show (IC and OOC) thinks is the most charismatic, brilliant, insightful person ever.
Logan Cook
Hrm. That's really not a lot for what I'd expect to be a fairly interesting stellar phenomena. My initial thought was maybe to rip off of that one Doctor Who episode and have a station or planet in locked position outside the black hole that's putting off a lot of power. Though the problem with stealing any ideas from other media is my players might pick up on it immediately. The ENT episode listed on MA already did "special radiation," so I can't do that either.
I suppose what I could do is make the black hole a secret Romulan project of sorts. But what could they be using a full singularity for?
Eli Reyes
>But what could they be using a full singularity for? Powering something really serious, a mobile starbase or something of that nature.
Nathan Walker
That's not a half bad idea actually. The players can get readings that there should be a black hole in the same system as them, but visual contact can't be established. Or some other technobabble justification for why the players basically detect a cloaked, mobile starbase. Though wouldn't the Romulans just shoot their ship first and ask later rather than reveal their project?
Julian Davis
>but what could they be using a full singularity for? As a replacement for matter assemblers.
Andrew Hall
Maye it's a shipyard? A big cloaked shipyard outside of Romulan space. Building Tal Shiar ships or something.
Logan Walker
The Romulans were experimenting with multi vector assault mode and accidentally wiped out three inhabited systems.
I could roll with that, but again there's the problem of how the Romulans would react to a Federation starship pulling up to their secret base. Unless there was some sort of crisis? Maybe not bad, but something like if they don't contain the singularity powering everything then this sector might get wiped out.
Justin Peterson
Science! run amok, Borg tech experiment gets loose (if you're a fan of the direction STO took the Tal Shiar), set up another villain for later and the station was already hit by them and the PCs are rescuing the survivors, time fuckery (many years have passed inside the station while very little has passed outside of it due to shoddy chroniton shielding and the way misaligned subspace fields interact with black holes; now the PCs are dealing with a Romulan population gone feral and must find some way to contact the ship who must in turn find someway to beam them out of there).
That last may be too silly for you, but it's not like Trek respects how stellar phenomena actually work anyway.
Eli Gomez
I haven't played STO, so I can't really say anything about that. The time fuckery I'd like to stay away from if possible. That's a sort of "mid-season" type adventure in my book.
Luis Cruz
Basically, it's implied in TNG that the Romulans were dealing with Borg attacks, and the Tal Shiar begins studying their tech and incorporating it into their ships. It's also from the explanation from a prequel comic to Star Trek 2009 about why the Narada looks the way it does.
Hunter Gray
I have an idea for you. Basically the Romulans are hiding an entire starbase using their cloaking technology (usually this is extremely difficult, as the power requirements for cloaking are supposed to be pretty high), perhaps inside the Neutral Zone where they are definitely not supposed to be or in a frontier section they don’t want anyone to know they’ve expanded to. The Federation picks up a weird distress signal that is suffering from extreme lag issues, but is nonspecific as to the problem. The Federation ship arrives to the location only to find themselves trapped in a gravitational pull that they can’t just power out of (perhaps a scene where you nearly overload the warp coils as the ship burns all engines trying to escape to drive the point home) except they can’t see what it is that’s causing it at all, until suddenly they detect fluctuations in space. Investigating via shuttle (or Runabout if they have them) they discover that the fluctuations are a massive starbase that has been completely cloaked by the Romulans, an unprecedented feat of engineering for the Empire. The real issue is that to power this huge cloaking device the Romulans needed to use an experimental singularity engine with a much larger microsingularity then normal, which they subsequently lost control of and is now growing into a full-size black hole...which the Federation ship is caught in.
The Away Team needs to figure out exactly what is happening on this starbase, figure out how to collapse the microsingularity harmlessly (or at least contain it long enough to escape), and finally figure out what the hell the Romulans needed to hide an entire starbase for all before the singularity expands and obliterates the starbase and Federation ship and everything for lightyears around it.
Samuel Clark
>, it's implied in TNG that the Romulans were dealing with Borg attacks, and the Tal Shiar begins studying their tech and incorporating it into their ships ???
Brandon Jones
You're a pretty cool guy user. I think I can definitely run with this. I hope the payment of one cutie in a Starfleet uniform will be to your liking.
They never went anywhere with the plot thread. STO decided to run with it.
Aiden Rodriguez
They mention in Q-Who that the damage to the local planet is identical to what happened along the neutral zone.
Landon Carter
Thanks, I’m pretty good at Trek plots as I’ve recently discovered from GMing STA when I’m not playing it. The idea is that there’s a triple-pronged threat; the Romulans (who are going to be pissed at some Federation officers showing up and will likely dramatically overreact), technical problems aboard both the Federation ship and the Romulan starbase, and finally the expanding singularity being the primary problem that you need to fix one or both of the other existing problems to remove.
Jason Jenkins
Oh, and make the issue with leaving before the job is done that beaming anyone or anything onto the starbase impossible with the graviton fluctuations happening due to the singularity.
I swear, it is so ridiculously easy to come up with ways around transporter stuff.
Jackson Morgan
That too.
Ryder Fisher
I'm usually pretty good about coming up with the general idea for my STA sessions, but I'm a little behind this week. I really appreciate the help. And you're not wrong about transporters. My favorite tool is ion storms, but literally any kind of interference and they go tits up.
Course, now I have to find art to go with everything. Are there any really impressive-looking Romulan starbases either in STO or the Sins mod?
Samuel Campbell
No problem user. This is honestly the best Romulan Starbase I could find art wise, but it doesn’t give a good sense of scale.
Robert Turner
Maybe contrast with this picture to to show how fuckhug the base is and say it’s of similar size, big enough to envelop more then one D’Deridex-class warbird.
Jonathan Lewis
I found pic-related while going through old Armada 2 mods. The mod community produced a lot of good models, especially for its time.
Samuel Cook
Yeah, I saw it while looking.
Connor Gonzalez
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Easton Sullivan
what 4d races exist in trek?
Christopher Foster
All of them ya putz.
Chase Nelson
Sisko should be put on trial.
Matthew Allen
He's one of the upcoming contestants on Chopped: Alpha Quadrant Edition. Hope he makes Papa Sisko proud.
Wyatt Cooper
His senator escapade was approved by SF command and his Maquis thing is probably the most defanged and justifiable instance of such ever committed. He literally just forced the Maquis and the Cardies that the Maquis displaced to trade planets.
Elijah Foster
Yes, Violating the treaty of Algeron and using the Defiant's cloak to hunt smugglers in the Badlands was unacceptable.
Nathan Gray
To be fair, the Romulans can go choke on a dick.
Jason Price
Well when you figure out how to build a courtroom for timeless, non-corporeal aliens, then go right ahead.
Christian Jackson
Reminder.
Zachary Bell
>what 4d races are even in trek? They're probably going OC.
Julian Gray
I hope so, lest the prophets be dragged into this mess.
Isaac Morales
Do the Alien Nazis and Sphere Builders from ENT count as 4d Aliens?
Elijah Murphy
Happy Mushroom Man.
Jaxon Cook
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Evan Campbell
Alien Nazis were just time travelers, so no. The Sphere builders would probably count though, seeing as they perceive all possible timelines.
John Howard
PROMENADE
Julian Reed
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Dylan Sullivan
None of that now, /tv/
Andrew Miller
Ok sorry.
Colton Baker
Bonnie-kin
Asher Long
There's the Romulan Presidium from Legacy and STA:III. Pain in the ass to find pictures of, though.
Dominic Green
Here are two pictures of "the vault". A Romulan starbase solarge you could fit entire cities inside it. Apparently, this is the place where Nero's mining ship got borgified and where Romulans in general were researching Borg tech in secrecy. Nowadays it is manned by few Romulan refugees as well as Reman separatists, nobodybothered to remove the borg stuff though and so you can still find a borg sphere inside.
Justin Flores
Located in the Haakona system, it is officially abandoned, aside from the aforementioned rebels and random riff raff.
>"Make ship go now." Somehow not as terrible as "git'r done". I might have gone with something a little simpler, like "do it" or "begin", but that's just me.
Lincoln Thompson
Literally all he needed to do was use Jellico's "Get it done"
Logan Martin
Fuck Nechayev makes my dick hard I want marry her so bad and be the only man whom she trusts to show her soft side after having angry sex because she's so mad and stressed out from dealing with incompetent officers all day.
Jaxson Miller
Alynna Nechayev is absolutely fantastic and is one of only two Starfleet Admirals we see who isn't completely incompetent (the other being Admiral William Ross). What about the admiral's collar makes people turn retarded? Do we know what that's about?
Andrew Moore
Rule of Drama. Most Admirals are completely reasonable, we only see the retards because they provide dramatic conflict. Same reason why Keiko is the Japanese hate ghost, because an episode of her and Miles being a completely reasonable and loving couple is boring.
Tyler Cox
Neural dampers in neck pin
Leo Jackson
I know this is the real reason, but is it bad that I really prefer 's reason?
Hudson Stewart
Yes.
Blake Hughes
"Make us go"
Jonathan Garcia
They promote the crazy people to Admiral to get them out of the captains chair and behind a desk where they can't really hurt anyone. The few times they do come out to cause trouble, they're always stopped by a proper Captain.
Ryder Lopez
...So the Pakleds? You really want to use a phrase from them?
Jordan Perez
"Full fast ahead."
Landon Lopez
At this point i am certain Pakleds would make a better crew than whatever is currently manning Discovery.
Jason Hall
“Mega dick faggotor ninja activate”
Easton Stewart
I was making an obscure Futurama joke, but you're just being a faggot. Whelp, I guess that's Veeky Forums for ya.
Dylan Scott
"Gotta go fast!"
Henry Nelson
Mostly I was fucking around. So is the entire show. Meaningless fucking around by people who don’t know what the fuck they were doing. So why not give the captain an equally stupid and meaningless catch phrase? I’m going to stick around until the second seasons but as it is I’m actually fast-forwarding 15 to 20 seconds repeatedly through every episode to get past all the shit they have failed to make me care remotely about and the characters I don’t even like listening to talk to each other.
Even TNG’s first season didn’t make me do that and holy god are some of the S1 episodes bad.
>Even TNG’s first season didn’t make me do that and holy god are some of the S1 episodes bad. unrelated, but this is my main problem with Discovery. With TNG’s awful first season I was rolling my eyes every other episode (though there were a few good ones), but the actual characters were interesting. Not sure if it was better dialogue or writing or just the actors being able to deliver the lines or what. I basically could see that the characters were held back by lousy plots. With Discovery it’s not even that I don’t like the crew. Rather, I don’t care about them at all. Burnham is the Main Character, and I don’t give a shit. I can’t tell if it’s the dialogue (they all act a lot like early 20-something’s in every TV show ever, so basically their personalities are interchangeable with the personalities of every single character on every single CW show) and the focus on Burnham (easily the dullest person in the show) takes away from any character development they might get so basically I’m looking at a bunch of literally-whos and who gives a fucks. I think maybe if they hired some writers who are better at characterization (without falling back too much on boring CW character archetypes) the show could be salvageable, but even that might not be possible with the format the show is in.
Luke Gomez
Lorca's phrase should have been "Let 'er rip"
Evan Myers
Why not "Rip and tear"?
David Thompson
>Lorca gets a Berserk Power-up and rip and tears a bunch of Klingons
Fuck that might redeem this series.
Kevin Anderson
The federation is like any communist government. The only way to rise is not competent but through pull.
Tyler Stewart
>look ma I posted it again are you proud of me yet?
Caleb King
It certainly would make it more hilarious.
Daniel Scott
HURR AM STARFLEET
Owen Price
>When the whale probe and an excelssior class mate
Hunter Murphy
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Did someone else criticize the federation in your safe space? I figured you were all cultists. Glad there is some dissent.
Elijah Wilson
Sorry, you meant to post here. No worries bro, I got your back.
Brayden Barnes
If it wasn't for that weird neck, if the engineering hull was flush with the saucer, it'd not look like shit.
How do they keep designing shit like that? It's not that hard to make passable star trek ships...
Asher Roberts
If they moved the bottom of the neck further forward so that the area under the saucer was more vertical and moved the deflector up so that it was a little more central and prominent it would look better.
Not great but better. Like Star Fleet decided to make something as brutal and unforgiving looking as possible.