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Just got book 1 on Audible, not bad so far! Should I just proceed down the line or jump around to certain books?
Hudson Howard
First for the XVI'th!
Owen Anderson
What book?
William Morgan
Horus Rising
Josiah Miller
Read first 3 books (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames) after this jump to certain books.
Hunter Myers
Thanks for the advice. I dont think I can stomach the whole series, but I'll try my best
James Flores
Some books aren't worth reading, some are good and some are good written but heretical.
Luke Harris
Left hanging at the end of the last thread.
Each Wing of the Dark Angels needs a Rite of War, tracing back to before the First Legion days, when they were only known as the Six Hosts of the Angels of Death.
As Astelan put it, "Why would we call ourselves the First except to distinguish ourselves from a Second?"
Even Faith Redloss thought about how much of their lore had been lost from the founding til the Heresy, barely 300 years. Even the term wing was from Calibanite cavalry terminology.
But for the Deathwing, Ravenwing, Stormwing, Ironwing, Firewing, and Dreadwing, what do you see as the RoW with what we know of the units?
John Martin
What's the difference between Blood Angels and World Eaters?
Jordan Wood
Blood Angels are handsome angry guys. They have a lot of dakka, melta pistols and 2W-swords. Also best Primarch.
World Eaters are guys with nails in their brains, use a lot of chainaxes, screaming horde of guys armed with chainaxes, absolutey no tactic. Lobotomized Primarch and Chainaxes. Did I mention chaniaxes?
Dylan Ward
What's stopping you now? You don't have to use one of their two RoWs, they're more about the wargear.
William Harris
BA like Jump Packs, WE like Dreadclaws and Kharybdises.
Josiah Cooper
Read "Nostromo" by Joseph Conrad (better known as the author of Heart of Darkness, which features the character Kurtz). Good intro to your primarch.
Nathan Allen
>Each Wing of the Dark Angels needs a Rite of War They really don't.
Austin Lee
Rules wise Blood Angels tend to be more character focused World Eaters tend to be more unit focused.
For example between rites of war, upgrades, and special rules a World Eaters tac blob (that loses scoring) can get up to 101 strength 6 AP 4 attacks with hatred on the charge. While Blood Angels don't have the ability to field units quite like that they can give any independent characters double wound swords that thanks to LA rules still wound marines on a 3+. For all intents and purposes a praetor can have 12 (6 attacks but each successful wound roll inflicts two wounds) str 5 AP 2 attacks on the charge while a champion can have 8 str 5 AP 2 attacks on the charge. They also have a neat relic that is unfortunately rendered fairly redundant due to their paragon blades wounding marines on a 2+ anyway.
Daniel Morales
Okay I like BA, when are the full rules coming out?
Sebastian Jones
as much as I hate SW with a passion that looks fucking amazing
Charles Wood
but those are Luna Wolves
Leo Collins
makes sense, guess that's another legion I need to get on doing
Luke Morgan
In about a year. Book 8 is expected at the end of 2018. Any (more) delays and it'll get pushed back to the February FW event... which seems likely, given how things have been going.
At least you're not a White Scars player.
Christian Cox
Oh god, when are White Scars getting their book? Just like in fluff, they are being ignored.
Zachary Williams
This. I would have preferred a "wing" veteran unit that could be outfitted for fire-wing (melta, flamer, volkite builds), dread-wing (destroyers with stasis and acid munitions), and storm wing (breachers with jump packs?) load outs.
Other special unit is death wing terminators. Then the iron and Raven protocols.
Done deal. Two special units, two rites of war.
Adrian Perry
Friendly reminder, Magnus did nothing wrong.
Dominic Baker
Reading Perturabo primarch book p88 his sisters nickname for him Bo. Why not Perty! Goddam Guy Haley I dont want for much.
Brody James
He made a deal with Tzneetch
Eli Moore
I just want a unit of kick ass knight paladins.
Nathaniel Davis
>Emperor: Hey son, don't do the thing >Magnus: Oh shit, something happened and I have to send a message across space! It's not like we have ways to do that already, I have to DO THE THING!
Lincoln Jackson
>Emperor: Hey son that I created to be a psychic demi-god who uses psychic powers >Magnus: Yes Father? >Emperor: Dont ever use them again only I'm allowed to do that
Jacob Davis
>Magnus: Uh oh I need to send a message better use sorcery instead of an astrophath >Magnus destroys everything >Magnus: Oh my god so unfair I didn't do anything wrong
Ryan Hall
>Magnus: Uh oh Horus just betrayed our Father >Magnus I better pass this on to random mook astropath #198675 >Magnus: I'm sure he'll believe me and pass the message on correctly without it ringing any alarm bells and panicing everybody >Magnus: I means Im sure everyone will just take me on my word right?
Nathan Price
>Uh oh I heard that someone will assassinate the president >Should I call the police? >Oh wait I have a better idea, I will sneak into the White House and tell the president in person, that way he will have to listen to me
Luke Morris
>Magnus: Uh oh I found out that someone is trying to kill the Emperor >Magnus Good thing he's my Father the therefore will believe my warning delivered in good faith even though I went against his wishes to find this out >Magnus: I feel that this information could be dangerous in the wrong hand and so I will deliver it myself >Magnus: I'll contact him psychically as I used to do when I was cast out into the galaxy as a child that way he'll understand completely
Colton Bailey
Magnus didn't deliver his warning though, and even then he destroyed his shit. That is like trying to tell the president about his assassination by driving a truck into the white house and then running away. Even ignoring all this though there is still
Joshua Murphy
Never Ever
Tyler Carter
>Magnus didn't deliver his warning though >Its this fucking retard again Goddam it user go read a book. Russ knows of Magnus warning right there in Prospero Burns. Why the fuck wont you just admit it?
Ryder Garcia
How can he be responsible for that when he didnt know what a "tzeentch" even is
Adam Johnson
>Don't know that the woman you are having sex with is under age >Ergo you aren't guilty of statutory rape Magnus made a deal with a warp entity he had no knowledge of, his fall is entirely his own fault due to his own hubris.
Jaxon Williams
Ah yes I forgot driving a truck into the White House, yelling that someone is going to assassinate the president, and running away is a lot better than driving a truck into the White House and running away without yelling anything.
Juan Diaz
>Goalpost.jpeg So you'll stop spreading that nonsense that Mangus didnt deliver the warning then?
Other than that yes of course it is as that was the entire reason he went there. Thats the reason you attempted to deride him for it in you last post after all.
Mason Campbell
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Henry Watson
Maybe he shouldn't have been a retard and just used an astropath. But oh wait Magnus apparently can't trust a single astropath on all of Prospero because reasons. The only reason Magnus tried to personally relay a message to the emperor is because he wanted to prove that his usage of psychic powers was justified, and in that particular case it sure as hell wasn't.
John Rogers
It's not that important, people.
Filling in details when the outline was written 30 years is always going to be messy.
Justin Gomez
It wouldnt be just one astropath? Come on user. The message would have to pass through several relay stations to get to Terra. Then to actually get the message through to those who would believe it instead of being passed of as a mistake? Doubtful.
Want to know whats funny? Magnus thought he was going to be exiting onto Terra through a webway gate because he believed thats why the Emperor was returning to Terra. What he didnt know was that the Emperor was making his own 'gate'. If Emps had just taken a second to explain after Magnus brought up to him finding the webway and its usefulness then perhaps things might not have gone down that way.
Charles Hill
An Astropath wouldn't have reached the Emperor, who had sealed himself away under layers of shielding to deal with the webway. Or worse, the receiving Astropath could've already been working for Horus, as seen in the story Ghosts Speak Not.
Juan Phillips
How good are the Thousand Sons? Have to play them tomorrow and want to know what I'm up against.
Ryder Green
They have the potential to be extremely powerful if they use psychic powers and their cult rules in perfect synergy. That's hard to pull off unless they're spamming Sekhmet Terminators and using Invisibility and Magnus with his D shots.
So they can range anywhere from "decent" to "stupidly OP" depending on the player.
Nicholas Scott
I was going to say pretty much the exact same thing.
Juan Cox
It's a 3500 pt game. I'm bringing Iron Warriors.
Austin Jenkins
Putting together too many Aquilon’s...I’ve made a terrible mistake.
The second set of six were free thanks to FW fucking up and losing the first set in the mail for three weeks.
William Sanchez
Phosphex (chlorine trifluoride in real life) and artillery are good against TS.
Jason Thompson
Be familiar with the psychic phase and see if they're willing to use Mind Howl instead of Invisibility (coming in the new rulebook, but FW did show off the wording of the new power). If the TSons fail a Perils of the Warp check, the entire army has to take pinning tests or something (and there's wargear they can take to ignore the first one).
Cameron Lewis
>An Astropath wouldn't have reached the Emperor, who had sealed himself away under layers of shielding to deal with the webway. Send the message to Terra with orders that the message be sent to the emperor. FFS are you really retarded?
Levi Howard
If he is likely to abuse his army do this. Just spam the fuck out of phosphex and bring some big anti-tank guns to kill any transports he might have.
Elijah Walker
By far the wisest of the primarchs
Jack Hernandez
Don't think they would give one army 6 rites at this point - they might do that later as they need to keep selling books and just making more update the legions and give them more rites and characters would be a way to milk it.
At this point they would probably leave most of the wings unexplored, with perhaps one unit each (like Deathwing vets in artificer armors) and add the Dreadwing later.
Jose Green
Honestly most of the wings could be represented through generic rites. Besides Dark Angels definitely aren't getting another four rites while the two most iconic characters in the Emperor's Children are still left without rules.
Lincoln Ross
According to the Emperor, there were no gods. So, the Emperor is the one to blame
Andrew Edwards
This. Even if the Emperor somehow doesn't listen, Malcador will
John King
There enough generic rites to represent every Legion, not only Dark Angels, and not give anyone an original rite, just a special unit or two. But as I said, they will need to keep releasing new books if they want to keep the cash going which means adding more rites and updates as they go.
Logan Martinez
Astropatic messages get scrambled all the time. It would more than likely not get believed or passed on.
Xavier Hughes
Then spam the emperor until the message gets through. Magnus is a goddamn primarch someone will answer a message from him.
James Reed
Rites don't sell models and books don't make big bucks. If they want to make money after they finish everything (so circa 2025) they will add new units and characters that were until they became special units were just left as vague ideas in the background. For example book 1 mentions the Emperor's Children having an elite formation of guys armed with lascannons called the Sun Killers. Fuck it in Book 12 Forgeworld might release models for them giving them rules that make them a good but highly specialized heavy weapon squad.
Even as an Emperor's Children player I wouldn't give a shit about the unit but more units and more models means more room for forgeworld to make money, and if the models look nice I will still probably buy a unit of Sun Killers even if I think that they really didn't need special rules.
Xavier Young
The Emperor himself didnt believe it when the message got through, literally noone would have believed the message.
Even if by a miracle his message had gotten through to Malcador he would just have been punished for breaking the edict anyway.
Jackson Clark
>literally noone would have believed the message. So Magnus made a mistake. He told someone who wouldn't have believed him in the worst way possible. If you are going to be so forlorn about the message getting through via conventional means than Magnus should have just confronted Horus himself.
Liam Ross
>Magnus should have just confronted Horus himself. He did...
Dominic Parker
Magnus was literally seeing Horus fall right there. If he got his message out immediately, there is 0 chance of Horus organizing his own astropaths throughout the galaxy in time.
Jaxon Sanders
Did Horus die or did Magnus die?
Samuel Morgan
What? Do you not know the circumstances that surround Horus' fall?
Dylan Torres
I don't think you know what confront means. If Magnus confronted Horus either Horus would have died or Magnus would have died trying to stop him.
Aiden Gray
So no you dont ok. Try reading Horus Rising then False Gods then get back to us.
Christopher White
Why not tell me the scenario you are talking about.
Kayden Wright
Why not read the lore before talking about it?
Jordan Rivera
>Why not read every single black library book Because I don't want to read volumes of shitty fiction for some obscure fluff references.
Isaiah Rodriguez
Its called the Horus Heresy user. If you dont even know about Horus' fall then honestly what the fuck are you doing here?
Henry Fisher
Tell me of the scenario in question or don't I don't really care.
Kayden Scott
>I don't think you know what confront means. If Magnus confronted Horus either Horus would have died or Magnus would have died trying to stop him. >I don't think you know what confront means >Doesn't know what confront means
Jace Nguyen
>(chlorine trifluoride in real life)
It's not. Phosphex is different. Chlorine trifluoride is merely a good example of a similar notorious chemical agent that can do plenty of bad stuff and that armies are afraid of using.
Ian Peterson
>Spoonfeed me or I'll remain ignorant! Ok.
Carter Morales
but going off your analogy, tzeentch is the one who should be considered at fault. also, victim blaming. shame on you.
Brandon Baker
>Confront Horus >Hey Horus don't be Chaos >No >Okay I don't consider that a confrontation. Now Fulgrim trying to convince Ferrus to fall to Chaos was an actual confrontation that resulted in Ferrus' guards being slaughtered, Fulgrim's sword being broken, and Fulgrim only leaving Ferrus alive because he couldn't yet bring himself to kill his best bro.
Angel Taylor
>I don't consider that a confrontation. Well as long as (You) don't consider it one then I guess thats a wrap.
Sebastian Foster
So you're reiterating what I meant. Oh wait. Did you take it literally? As in I was saying phosphex was indeed exactly chlorine trifluoride? I'm sorry. With weapons like volkite and conversion beamers I thought I didn't need to make that distinction.
Jack Martin
Magnus' options regarding Horus A: Send an astropathic message and keep spamming until a message gets through B: Go to Terra in person and tell the Emperor C: Go to Horus and kill him D: Use sorcery which the Emperor forbade you to use to contact him because this is the only way and it totally isn't to vindicate your belief that making pacts with warp entities is okay But yeah Magnus totally did nothing wrong, it is the Emperor's fault for building a webway, not Magnus' fault for knocking it down.
Jack Hill
He shouldn't have warded it so heavily if he didn't want the wards to explode and ruin the project, fuckin scrub
Kayden Hernandez
>With weapons like volkite and conversion beamers I thought I didn't need to make that distinction.
If you said "Volkite (maser in real life)" or "Conversion beamer (positron beam in real life)" then yeah, you probably need to make that distinction in order not to be taken literally. I don't read minds.
Brody Gonzalez
Sorcery was how he found out about Horus so he believed it was justified. So he literally needed his Father to hear his side and evidence otherwise the point was moot as he would be ignored by everyone else.
Ethan Peterson
Had Horus sent Sanguinius to the demon system yet when Magnus blew up Terra?
Aiden Kelly
Going just off memory Signus happens around the time of Istvaan which is after Magnus warning by around two years.
Sebastian Gonzalez
Did any of the Space Wolf Wolf Packs survive after reaching the Legions they were designated too? I know that Alpha Legion one survived but they never actually found Alpharius. The Raven Guard killed theirs along with the Blood Angels. One was never sent to the TSons being the only legion that didnt get one. As for the rest its hard to keep track of so any help?
Juan Wilson
Why are sisters so cute /hhg/?
Eli Garcia
>As for the rest its hard to keep track of so any help?
As far as I can remember, some of the Wolves assigned to watch Guilliman are still around though they didn't appear in Ruinstorm.
Isaiah Butler
Imagine being one of the poor mother fuckers that was sent to Alpharius.
Matthew Hernandez
I remember when they had those grills surgically implanted to their jaws, which is why they can't talk
GW seems to be throwing that out the window these days
Cameron Davis
The ones sent to the ultrmarines spend most of "Unremembered Empire" annoying Guilliman with their presence. He doesnt hide the fact that he views them as more of an annoyance then a threat.
Bentley Ross
Do they make it? I havent gotten to that yet.
They actually got off rather easily compared to their Brothers.
Most of the Primarchs felt the same way, unsurprisingly in my opinion.
Andrew Sanders
Where was that stated?
Not like there isn't old art of Sisters without the grills. And wouldn't just removing their vocal cords work better?
Kayden Sanders
>They actually got off rather easily compared to their Brothers. Did they? What happened to them?
Actually, let's get a list going of what happened to each legion's wolf complement.
Blood Angels: Murdered by Amit Night Lords: Murdered by Curze
That's all I remember.
Connor Jenkins
Not all of them have it. They all take the vow of silence and a large number of them have the grille surgically attached to their jaws after a set period of time. Others have their their tongues removed with it or separately. Jenetia Krole even only took the vow and wears he grille like a mask when she feels like it.
Elijah Phillips
Its actually pretty funny, as while Guilliman doesn't like it, he is so by-the-books he still lets them follow him around everywhere to do their duty, even if he thinks is stupid