Genocide and the methods of implementation in DnD, a discussion

Let's have a discussion Veeky Forums, like when in the old times when Veeky Forums was good.

One player wants to, for any reason, genocide a whole fantasy race (let's say Elves, for the sake of discussion) in some DnD-game that is running, his method of choice is concentration camps. Is this taboo one step too far in the current climate? Would another race be more accepted (to genocide)?

What factors will influence whether or not the player should be allowed to try to set this plan in motion? Concentration camps have been used many times through history, so let's not pretend that this is purely a nazi thing either, let's bring the level of discussion a few notches above that.

Concentration camp are bad and used for bad reason. As for which race to genocide, we should start on fantasy human. They are the most similar to us, but yet are not us. And also most human character player play variant one instead.

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>(let's say Elves, for the sake of discussion)
I'd rather kill the humans

>Let's have a discussion Veeky Forums, like when in the old times when Veeky Forums was good.
These were shit threads that didn't actually happen.
Topics like this were not OPs because they would be whiteknighted into oblivion, they were shitposts that showed up 50 posts in.
As for OP, wouldn't happen unless you had a diety on your side, because EVERY RACE has a patron diety or 2 that would send an avatar to fuck your shit sideways.

>Would another race be more accepted (to genocide)?
Of course. Well, this also depends on the setting, but when you have all-evil races like goblins nobody would bat an eye if you try to exterminate them once and for all. Putting elves in the same category is just stupid.

But why putting them into camps when you can kill them right there? This seems unlogical.

Bullshit, the rape-factory thread wen't to the limit and was filled with serious discussion on how to plan out the rape-factory and even rapist level progression.

Well, if you kill them then and there they will just disperse into the forest and you'll never catch them all.

You put as many as you can into camps, their relatives will be missing them and be worried for their safety, so they are less likely to wage a guerilla war against you or commit acts of terrorism. Then you put out a message that they will be spared or some such if they apply to the nearest camp, where they will be reunited with their family.

You don't go into gas-mode until you've got enough of them to practically wipe them out, I'd say.

Rape factory was comically absurd. It was terrible in a good way.

This thread is just sad, unoriginal elfbaiting.

>Concentration camps have been used many times through history,

And they never worked. If you want some honest-to-goodness genocide then you either go Rwandan or go home.

extermination camps > concentration camps unless you need a lot of poor quality slave labour to go along with your genocide

Also a direct reference to a thread where someone wanted to genocide the elves during a Kingmaker campaign.

For... no reason other than he dislikes Elves.

I understand memeing a meme, but you can't take it seriously. Assuming he wasn't just memeing.

What about Nazi elves genociding literal untermensch call human because this inferior race is a threat to the future of the elfkind?

Sure they have worked, they worked in the Boer wars and in Cuba (before the americans got pissy).

That would probably go as it went in reality with the Germans vs the Soviets. The elves would be correct, but there are so, so many more humans than elves.

i'm betting it's the same guy. Sadly quality of bait has gone down on Veeky Forums.

Cut off their food supply, spread illness, and kill all on sight is much easier.

Which is great isn't it?
The last shout of a dying species.
The end of a great civilization in a convulsion.

It's a bad idea. Why a concentration camp and not just stab them?
Also, pretty much any sentient being that isn't human should die. It's not even morally ambiguous

The boer war camps were not genocidal in nature. An interesting fact is that the guards of the boer camps had a higher death rate than the inmates. Couple of reasons for this, one is that Africa is a hard place in a way Europeans don't really understand till they live there for some time. Even today in South Africa disease is common, back then it was just uniquitous. Pak several thousand people into close quarters in the heat of an African summer and it's inevitable.
Secondly, the boers were destroying the railway lines everywhere they could, but the camps were in hinterlands entirely dependant on the railways for their food.
Thirdly how is it fit young men are dying in greater numbers than the old people, women and children they are guarding?
Because a lot of the time they were giving away their food to the inmates. Numerous primary sources amongst boer families credit their survival to the intervention of british soldiers handing out their own food. This information was suppressed by the nationalist government for the entirety of apatheid and is not generally well known outside specific modern day South African historians.

So while the camps and what happened in them were clearly Britain's fault and Britain had ultimate responsibility for a cruel and inhumane tactic, the actual history is more nuanced than "HUrrr Britain genocided da poor boers!".

I suggest you learn some acual history and not just regurgitate what you heard on /pol/.

Regards
Actual South African.

>That would probably go as it went in reality
So in the end elves would admit that humans are superior

Admittedly makes for a better story than the reverse, but I don't know if most players would be onboard with losing. Of course they could always play human, but then it's just a classic good-vs-bad nazi story, a bit too on-the-nose.

I just said that they worked, dude.

It could begin with the righteous Elves protecting oppressed minority and slowly sliding into something darker as the player would step on warcrime, and as the war is slowly turning against them in a tragic and hopeless fight as you question more and more elves leader and theysuddenly realize that they are soldier in the elven Wehrmacht.

>Rape factory was comically absurd. It was terrible in a good way.
>This thread is just sad, unoriginal elfbaiting.
This. People these days like to hold up Rape Factory as some kind of standard for old Veeky Forums and claim "See? Veeky Forums was always full of virt-tier /pol/tards" when everyone who was actually around for the thread (and in Veeky Forums history wasn't even that long ago) saw it for the absurdity that it was.

tldr : at least it was so stupid that it was fun. This thread is simply sad.

What if we put orcs in concentration camps then? There's literally no justification for why they should be allowed to exist.

Well they clearly didn't because of the numbers involved only a fraction of the boers actually died. Second their intention was never to kill off the boers but to deny the boer kommandos resupply and shelter.

The point is that they didn't. Concentration camps are grossly inefficient and have a weird tendency of collapsing onto themselves. You should feel lucky if you can squeeze some actual genociding out of them... otherwise, pray that they won't do the exact opposite you want them to do.

The point of concentration camps isn't really to kill everyone, that is just how the nazis implemented them (and even there not all the camps, just a select few were kill-camps). The point is to do exactly what you wrote, to gain an advantage over guerillas.

Honestly, if you want to look at some effective genocide you look to Australia. Cultural genocide was bloody effective there, to the point where most aboriginal languages are now dead and there is archeological experts trying to work out what was believed by people less than 100 years ago.

And yet most other countries don't even know it happened, even though it was still happening in the 60s.

But the memes command that it has to be elves!

To be fair the Nazis had to stop due to the invasion.

You can try, but its not like Orcicide hasnt been on the table for a while.

This is the real problem here. Every race has patron dieties. You'll need some Blackguards, your own god, or a team of high level sorcerors just to be ready for the inevitable backlash

>This is the real problem here. Every race has patron dieties. You'll need some Blackguards, your own god, or a team of high level sorcerors just to be ready for the inevitable backlash

That and all the good gods who are opposed to genocide on principal.

Why would you even care about the climate? It's your fucking table. Talk with your fucking players and decide together what the fuck you want to do. You are not posting logs of the sessions for public review.

In my campaign none of the players have the wealth or influence to pull that kind of thing off even if they wanted to, that said they are in a rather more passive way inducing a genocide of their own as their actions are encouraging further colonisation of a new land forcing out the natives.

While not analogous to a concentration/death camp they did oversee (as in they had the power to prevent and failed to do so) the systematic cleansing of a town that had partially fallen to Aboleth worship, a civil cleansing rather than and ethnic cleansing if you will

>To be fair the Nazis had to stop due to the invasion.
The concentration camps werent intended for extermination in the first place.

most killing was done on the field by the einsatzgruppen anyways

Kill all humans

Also concentration camps were invented in the 19th century, edgy tard

>implying the germans were correct
>Native Americans had literally figured out how to make cities before germans

And look at the thriving native american cities of today! Oh wait...

Also, please don't bring real life politics to the thread, thank you.

>implying the germans were correct
They werent?

Camps are not for efficient extermination. Just stab/shoot them wherever you find them

user this is medevil fantasy. Not only will concentration camps not work their very inefficient compared to other methods that would be available such as plagues and large scale use of elemental magic

But plagues are a double-edged sword that can easily backfire, and you'd need people to be gathered together in very large group, possibly in... camps, to be able to kill them all with elemental magic.

I'm talking about stuff like setting fires to forests elves live in while diverting rivers out of said forest making them very dry
Starting earthquakes at dwarves mountain holds.
Causing tidal waves near island nations and continental countries that rely on the sea.

Why use the equivalents of nukes when you can just gather them up in camps and starve them?

There's rather a large difference between trying to kill off a displaced people that exist as a minority in a bunch of different countries with only loose ties to one another; and a race that maintains several large kingdoms of its own, complete with standing armies, powerful mages, alliances with other nations, and so on.

Obligatory

Why not kenders? They are universally hated.

How would non-/r9k/ cross-board shitposting look like on /pol/?
>"Drow Slav, wat do?"
>filename threads
>some twat on twitter has a shit opinion, this time not related to politics at all, and is (((Jewish)))
>"I wonder what X's Ys smell like." (this you see on /vp/)
>"What award winning tv series is your tax policy based on?"
>"Why does /pol/ hate alps so much?"
>Shadman OP image
>"ITT political speeches that catered to your fetish"
>probably some more fetish stuff

Speaking of shitposting, how much of it is solely from /pol/ and not r/The_Donald trying to "redpill" us? I know that r/T_D likes to shitpost on /v/ and /pol/, so there's definitely shitposting around, but how much is from Reddit?

There's that one Paladin who genocided orcs with Baleful Polymorph.

Yeah, but they were never actually used for genocide : ^)

It helped a lot that there weren't heaps of people TO be genocided, and they were all packed like sardines into the areas being militarily expanded into with little hope of escape.

Australia is pretty inhospitable once you get further inland, the "chasing them away into the wilderness" strategy that would indicate a failed genocide in Europe or America is basically a death sentence to a tribe in Australia. Only the most specialised desert people could survive inland, and in extremely low numbers, which of course meant that they couldn't offer resistance to being tracked down and "civilised" once the country industrialised.

The stolen generation was a fucking mistake though, for everyone. It failed to achieve its ostensible goal of forcing aboriginals into western society, because it introduced them via literally the most disadvantaged route possible, namely the foster system, and also people were still hella fucking racist, so you now have a whole generation of people unable to fit in in your society, but also can't go back.

You might say "but cultural genocide was useful for whites", but I would argue the opposite. We made the stolen generation and their descendants into our problem. We're stuck with them now. If the goal was to get rid of them, then left to their own devices, they would have remained culturally isolated, but at least they would have taken care of themselves and the state could have taken an officially non-interventionist stance while gently pushing them further and further from fertile land while their numbers dwindled to match.

If we wanted to co-exist with the aboriginal peoples then of course there should have been no stolen generation, coupled with the recognition and land rights that they are granted today. Oh, and we would have needed to have a really fucking low minimum wage, the institution of minimum wage immediately hurled large swathes of the aboriginal population into homelessness and poverty by eliminating farmwork.

technically true the Vernichtungslager and Todeslager, extermination camp and death camp respectively were where mass executions of interred people happened. I assume the Croats and Chileans had there own names for them

Maybe we should, though.

Veeky Forums before you soft shit-eating redditors came here discussed which fantasy race would be easiest to genocide and bulletpoint each and every one's strengths and weaknesses, before going on an extensive debate on what would be the most effective way to genocide them and to figure out how to make a magical computer out of their carcasses. You faggots see someone call orcs niggers and lose your shit going "baw edgy, scawy murdah, why can't we all play pathfinder with hugs and rainbows as the central theme". Fuck you, you uncreative pansy-ass faggot.

Golems/Elemental Familiars:
+Dependent on material they're made out of to breed
+Isolationist, probably won't hear about their systematic extermination until it's too late
+Low in numbers, easy to exterminate
-Low in numbers, more man hours spent searching for each one
-Dependent on material they're made out of to breed, earth has more minerals than living beings
-Can melt/crush most metal, harder to kill because they lack squishy organs
+/-Supernatural beings, supernatural means can probably kill or deactivate them

Orcs:
+Relatively poor intelligence and education compared to higher(elves, humans) races
+Rarely able to organize beyond tribal stage
+Lower technology and usually no magic
-Lack of central command structure makes them more adaptable to tactical changes in war/battle, but more vulnerable to coordinated, larger forces
-Posses a low cunning and large bloodlust, comparably strong compared to average members of higher(elves, humans) races
-Warlike, large numbers, breed quickly
-/+Always predictable, in that they are predictably violent

Goblins:
+Near the bottom of the totem pole in strength, barely stronger than an average human child
-Intelligence comparable to creative yet uneducated humans
-Never travels alone, where there is one there are many others in large numbers
-Will usually rape and murder every non-goblin animal they can, rape creates more goblins regardless of species