Chapters which are Deathwatch-dysfunctional

possible lamenters?

Sadly the ultramarines in the DW are usually portayed as arrogant yet capable guys. So I guess he would try to patronize everyone whenever nids are involved, and the unofrtunate scythe of the emperor guy better not start arguing.

There are lamenters in the DW though.

Ultramarines
>Used to fighting with the greatest warriors of any age in the galaxy
>Get stuck with some useless assholes spawned from nigger-tier primarchs

Isn't the more pressing thing about minotaurs the fact everyone hates them for being marine hunters that loot relics?

Blood Ravens
>“Does the shield come in red? You know what never mind we have guys for that.”

The wolves maybe?
Reckon it would be a first founding chapter?

Storm Wardens and Excoriators.

Who gets sergeant? Whoever isn’t dead, that’s who.

Space Wolves
>Used to being able to communicate instantly with their pack through scent alone.
>Having to lead a bundle of shit normies who can’t admit they’re a bunch of disabled handicaps.

Space wolves have a proud and strong link with the Deathwatch. Their Wolf Scouts are invaluable since they're master scouts without being novicies.

It's almost certainly the Marines Malevolent if it's a chapter that has more than a name. They're not ones to do anything that anyone tells them, ancient oaths or otherwise.

DW codex leans on the beast series and the wolves were part of the initial DW draft. As a matter of fact the big 4 were the deathwatch in the beginning, along with fists exemplar and the last imperial fist. One way to see it is that the missing chapter is actually the now erased from archives fists exemplars.

>Thank fuck there’s a chapter that completely reverses the codex astartes, otherwise our whole roster would go to shit.

The novel "Deathwatch" states that the armour is not actually black, but rather adapts to the colouration of its surroundings. No, the shiny silver arm is not acknowledged.
So, either the author was writing bullshit, or the silver arm is more of a badge type of thing which is only worn during formal occasions or when stealth is unnecessary.

>squadmates complain when you urinate on them

The one with team talon? I don't remember that bit.

There's a marines malevolent DW member in one short. Kind of an asshole but he fitted in well enough.

Yeah the novel about Team Talon. There are also two short stories featuring the same kill team, so there may be some confusion.

I personally would like deathwatch to be high-tech stealth marines rather than silly indecicive colour scheme marines.

>lamenter joins team
>we all red shirts now

I read all about them, I love them and their bantz.

>I personally would like deathwatch to be high-tech stealth marines
But that's what they are?

The novel dark hunters has marines put cameleonine paint over their armor. I suppose it would be the same for the DW/

Still have to read about those guys, I heard good things about them. Will do as soon as I finish the admech trilogy. What's their shtick?

Was there? You remember the name? Thought I'd read all the DW short stories across the three anthologies.

I would guess iron hands, crimson fists or any of the other decimated chapters that may not have been able to spare the men. If it was more of a fuck you move then I have no clue, wolves probably?

That origin story was such bullshit. I much prefer the version in the Deathwatch RPG.

It's in the xenos hunters anthology, can't remember the title. It was the one where the team is hunted by kroot and vespid with mixed nid genetic material. Imperial fists captain is incapacitated, a salamander is the melee specialist and a brazen minotaur is the tech marine second in command. Then there's the marine malevolent and a BA successor I can't remember that's the thunderhawk pilot who died offscreen due to snipers.

Dark Hunters are a White Scars successor who completely distrust most vehicles and especially the AdMech. Early in their creation their homeworld was invaded by the Dark Mechanicum with chaos Titan allies. They were only victorious by taking a more stealthy approach, as the Dark Mechanicum turned their vehicles against the chapter.

White Scars that fought alongside the Raven Guard, were very impressed by their covert ops and adopted a lot of their tactics as a result. White Scars command looked at it and said "well, you're your own chapter now".
Well written, I usually dislike SM books but it was cool. Nice story, twists and characters.

Also the cover has a mutated chaos space marine priming a grenade with the teeth on his respirator grille, that's the most 40k thing I've ever seen.

Eh, they could have done better but at least it gave a reason why something like the DW would exist. What did the RPG say about it?

I mean, I know he's the bad guy, but how can you show me this and not expect me to root for him?

I'm more impressed by the fact that the bolt pistol is actually aiming at something for a change instead of them firing randomly like in the purge of kadillus cover.

>White Scars that fought alongside the Raven Guard
People say this and even the wiki says it but I read both Dark Hunter and the Blind King and I don't recall anything that says the Dark Hunters fought alongside the Raven Guard. They took up the stealthy approach on their own.

Are the novel and the short related? If so, which comes first?

A conference of prophecies and Emperor's Tarot readings foresaw a huge surge in xenos activity, in particular the coming of the Tyranids. But more importantly, the founding involved the gathering of dozens of Chapter Masters and hundreds of Inquisitors enacting huge changes to establish the infrastructure of the Deathwatch.

I guess I'm not opposed to the Beast being the reason the DW was founded, I just wish it was a little more than the same Big 4 chapters we always see.

Yes, the Blind King is the story of the Dark Mechanicum attack on their homeworld that caused such a dramatic change in their world view. The events of the short story are referenced in the novel, but you could read them in either order.

Well at the start it was because those chapters were the only ones available, the next operation was already done with a vastly grown DW that included assets from many chapters, including sons of medusa vehicles.

The RPG thing is cool as well, something similar was done in a short where kryptmann studies nids in front of the DW lords on an admech facility.

How haven't the iron hands recovered yet? For fucks sake, it's been 10,000 years!

Attrition and often being retarded, assholes or both.

They have. The lore about them not having enough suits of Terminator armor is old and retconned both in Wrath of Iron and the Clan Raukaan supplement.

Fuck off Ward, go use your Ultrasmurf dildo

Celestial lions due to their propensity to getting shit by ork snipers

t. Prophet

Fun fact: The White Scars hold their own version of the Feast of Blades, though the prize isn't nearly as impressive. The winner gets to spend a year fighting alongside the White Scars and learning the ways of Chogoris.

The Dark Hunters are seen among the White Scars as the most "Imperial" of their successors. When a Dark Hunter won the tournament the squad he got assigned to openly groaned.

>imperial fists
>you can all try and win the feast of baldes to show that we're all cool sons of dorn despite our differences

>white scars
>you can all have a chance to try and get your best one to pretend he's as cool as us first founding for a short time

Not even the ultramarines are that arrogant. It probably makes more sense in the book where it hopefully it's described better, but reading about it now it's really baffling. Also, what happens if a white scar wins?

>Also, what happens if a white scar wins?

They all laugh in Mongolian at their non-Mongol descendants

The White Scars don't participate.

It's in one of the Damocles short stories. Apparently, the Khan enacted it post-Heresy because he felt it was important that all of his successors get a chance to experience their heritage in its original form.

Do the BT’s participate in the feast of blades?

Also; another chapter who wouldn’t be team players.

Every successor participates in it.

It’s Grey Knights my dude

P.142 of Umbra Sumus
>It was a tactic that the Dark Hunters had utilised often down the years. In fact, there was a legend which held that it was how the Chapter had got its name; a predilection among certain companies of the White Scars Legion for stealth over the fast-flowing tactics of their brethren had seen these Adeptus Astartes peeled off into their own disparate organisation for special missions.
>They had fought on joint operations with the Raven Guard Legion, and on their return, the tactics these White Scars had learned from their brethren had become part of the battle-code of their company.
>And when the Heresy was over and the time had come for the great Legions to be broken up, the warriors of this singular company had held together, eventually recognised as a full Chapter in their own right.
>But that was mere legend

Can they even be called?
Isn’t there a thing about blending Ordos militant?

I thought they didn’t get along.

>All this Dark Hunters talk

My constant teposting of Kearney's novel has finally worked. The're based as fuck. And their Forge Master is old as shit, thousands of years old but never went to sleep in his Naught since he was put there while healthy. They call it Symbiosis.

Where is that from ? That's hilarious.

I thought sarcophagi didn’t have room for armses and legses

Maybe they cut him up? Or maybe he's curled up like a baby?

It's Machine Sprit by Nick Kyme. Just checked.
>Vortan was of the Marines Malevolent, and carried a winged bolt of lightning against a yellow background on his guard. He was also a miserable bastard, but hard as adamantium.

Litteraly all of those are wrong though. Crimson in particularare kown to send more brothers than normal, and Wolves and Hands are both included in the Deathwatch boxed game, and then in numerous stories.

>Sadly
It's now accepted that the UM are a bunch of arrogant bastards. Which is why it's why it's also accepted that they are eindeed competent nevertheless. It's a fair price to avoid being nothing but Mary Sues.

>The one who didn't ended up calling to chaos a month later

Posting the Blind King for those that want to read about the Dark Hunters when they changed their tactics.

Ooh! That's right! I ignored that because it contradicted Blind King, which is about the event in question.

I believe it's Hunter's Snare in the Damocles anthology.

The important here "mere legend". Blind King tells the real story. But legend has it that it's a nice meld of 2 First Founding Chapters, which sounds better than "Well we got our asses handed to us by machines so we decided not to bumrush like idiots anymore."

I was making that statement in regards to their looks. They don't look very stealthy with bright red guns, a shiny silver arm and the entire rainbow spectrum of different colours on their other shoulder.

Space Marines are never going to be stealthy, no matter what color you paint their xboxhuge power armor.
You don't have to be stealthy anyway to be a specialized anti-xenos force. Sneaky marines is a retarded concept that needs to fuck off.

Oh totally. From a chapter propaganda angle it makes sense that that's the version that gets remembered.

Thanks. I just finished the other one.

Since we're talking about BL books, anyone has a pdf of the Sisters of Battle Omnibus? It got Red & Black in text form, which is nice since I can't understand what they say in the audiobook, and the emperor worshipping AI got me very interested.

Wait, Minotaurs are Marines Malevolent now?

The difference is the Marines Malevolent do it because they're assholes. The Minotaurs do it because the HLoT say they can.

What'd you think of it?

MM also do it because they lack stuff. Where others chapters would grit their teeth and accept their under-supplied fate, MM gave everyone the finger and decided that they had to put themselves first, in order to continue their mission.

>Sneaky marines is a concept that needs to fuck off.

I wanted to be angry but it’s so true. Scout Armor exists for a reason. Take the fucking hit.

That being said people still put camo on tanks.

First impression was that the marine was so derp he was going to try and load his gun with a grenade and his teammate behind him is all 'dude DUDE here's a mag'

Sharks

I mean, the mag passing dude is pretty fucking dead. It is a very dynamic entry after all.

>"Now"
But more honestly, I'd rather go with the take that the Minotaurs are mostly doing their job. Assholes, yes, but pragmatic assholes.
Really, from the fluff we have, there is for example the Euxcine incident. Inceptors and Doom Warriors rather fight each other than doing their job of bringing peace to the system, like they've been tasked, because of "muh honour". Imperial higher-ups call for help to stop those two, and the Minotaurs show up and go in dry. The Doom Warriors do the smart thing and get the hell out, while the Inceptors get themselves encircled and slowly killed, untill they surrender. The Minotaurs take their battlebarge,as they have more use for it, and get out.
The Lamenters had it coming, really. They sided with the guy who shot down the imperial taxcollector and who decided it would be a wise idea to secede the Badab sector and take it for himself (not to mention, Huron fell to Chaos too). I don't know how anyone can expect this to end in a good way.
The Night Reapers were declared traitors too, so that is that.

Huron did nothing wrong.

And neither did Magnus

Bitch you better back the fuck up with that statement.

Huron did tons wrong. Magnus is...debatable.

Oh boy, you sure sound like you want a funride on the Bulls Black Spear.

didn't have it, thanks.

The name was a bad PR move, too. If they called themselves the Emperor's Recyclers they would have way less problems.

>Emperor's Recyclers
>"And be sure to sort out the trash. Heretics belong to the flamer, xenos to plasma and everything else goes in front of the bolters"

"Every day is collection day"

Space marines are never going to be stealth units, yes, but there is still a purpose to basic camouflage when you are operating under cover, which deathwatch does. You don't see people spray-painting their tanks reflective silver and strapping neon-lights to them just because it's not going to sneak up on anyone anyways.

>Not going full-on flashy bits on all your warmachines, as impractical and stupid they may be in the first place
Do you even Imperium brah?

Not that user, but the blending thing is not possible.

GK are perma-attached to the Malleus.

Of course the MM would. The organisation that equips its members really well and sometimes lets them keep pieces of that equipment? The MM would rip their hand off.

I have a squad of these assholes in my Deathwatch army. All the faggots no one wants in their kill-team got shoved into their own band of cunts and retards.

Dark Angel - trusts no one, not even himself
Blood Raven - he'll loot your gear when you aren't looking because it's a relic of his chapter
Marine Malevolent - he'll loot your gear after a friendly fire incident
Red Hunter - he may have purged elements of his teammates' chapters at one point or another, but can't actually remember for sure
Minotaur - same as the Red Hunter, but he knows what he did, takes pride in it, and is a raging faggot about the whole situation
Original Minotaur - HE'S FUCKING CRAZY
Flesh Tearer - he's also fucking crazy, but between violent, psychotic breaks he acts like a brooding little bitch and tries to hide in the rafters also all the serfs keep disappearing
Lamenter - he's going to accidentally get everyone killed and both he and they know it
Raptor - probably kicked out of the chapter/sent to the deathwatch for being /k/ incarnate possibly the team cook

Grey knights aren’t really known outside of the Inquisition, chapter masters, custodes and the high lords.

Suffice to say they probably wouldn’t fit in a kill team that well

Also to say - their specialisation is in daemon-hunting. It would be a waste of resources for them to send members of their chapter to an xenos elimination organisation. Not to say the couldn't do it, but that there's no point when even a single Grey Knight is a precious resource in what they are already trying to achieve.