In cultures that believe death in battle, self sacrifice for the cause, and the virtues of heroism...

In cultures that believe death in battle, self sacrifice for the cause, and the virtues of heroism, what happens to the crippled.

They fight, don't die, and can no longer fight again. Are they killed? Dishonored?

What if a man saved the village/country/world in a pivotal battle and moment, but became brain damaged? Would they kill him?

Inb4 depends on setting. What are some realistic outcomes. It's helping me create my setting.

Eventually, almost certainly after such an occurrence happens to someone who actually matters, the laws would be amended slightly.

If you get so fucked up fighting the good fight that you no longer can then it still counts and you still get to go to the Halls of Valhalla.

After that becomes the new normal it is open to be amended again some point down the line to mercy killing the brain damaged who achieved drooler status in battle counts as they died in battle.

That eventually becomes normal. some time down the line more amendments happen where you can get to the good afterlife the long road by working hard for the cause for a lifetime rather than just doing one thing at the end of it.

Reminder that in norse mythology, it wasn't nearly as simple as "die in battle - go to good afterlife and drink with Odin, die in any other way - to the shitty Helheim with you". You could get a good afterlife even if you're not a great warrior, just not Valhalla.

I'm playing L5R. Bushi might want to commit seppuku when they can't fight anymore, but if they aren't given the OK by their lord, then they can't commit ritual suicide.

Instead, some maimed bushi start a new and exciting career as a courtier for their clan. Or become monks.

They are honoured as they gave their body/mind for the virtuous cause (depending on what type of incapacitation they received).
A drooling retard is one who is seen as a body that no longer houses a soul and is mercy killed so that their spirit can have its body back in the afterworld.

A cripple is seen as one who gave their mortal comfort and health for the cause and so will be considered a wise man and will be honoured as well.
They are usually happy to continue working as and where they can for the good of the people, and if they are so fucked up that they can't, they will be permitted to kill themselves so that the remainder of their body and their spirit can return to the god-forge to be built anew for the afterlife.

It does depend on "the setting", even irl. But if you want a more specific awnser, you should establish why is your culture/society values those things. Is it because they're constantly threatened and everymen must sacrifice themselves for the cause? Useless cripples will be cause of contempt and maybe pity if they were great warriors in the past. Is it because they have a proud warrior elite ruling the place? Crippled war heroes are probably honored. Is it because their faith puts great focus on martytirium? The cripples are probably not bullied but they might try to go and die in battle even if they're useless by now, like the old muslim man who was in the first arab siege of Constantinople.

Not exactly medieval/renaissance but Napoopan was loved by his soldiers for (among other reasons) his generous pension system [which may explain why his tomb is now in the Dôme des Invalides, a (former) military hospital, of all places]. His soldiers knew that even if they got wounded so severely they could no longer fight, they and their family would be taken care of. Something like that would fit a culture that glorifies its warrior without getting a superspecialawesome afterlife for warriors involved.

Hel being shitty is christian influence.

Norse mythos mostly has hel being just another realm dead people go to live.

Valhalla is only revered so highly because it is where men can go to feast with gods and eventually fight in their service during Ragnarök.

Well the exact particulars would depend, but generally speaking those who make heroic sacrifices for a cause but don't die in the process are seen as heroic and worthy of the appropriate respect, just not as much respect as those who actually died in the process.
Most religions that I'm familiar with that have some concept of martyrdom will usually be willing to extend salvation (or the faiths equivalent) to people who sacrifice for their faith, rather than just those who dies in the process. However salvation achieved by dying in battle will often be depicted as more direct, or of a higher grade, especially if the person doing the presenting has a vested interest in getting people to take insane risks.
However even if the crippled are notionally still heroes, and talked about and respected as heroes, their material welfare probably won't be that good. The very mundane unpleasantness and vulnerability of being crippled tends to contrast against the rhetoric of heroism pretty sharply. Also its quiet likely that most people who become cripples will only be able to be supported by the community to a fairly modest extent, if at all.

The man is likely going to kill himself.

But really depends on the culture. Some warrior cultures would choose to honour and provide for a crippled warrior, while others would see him as a weakling and/or coward and kill him

There is an interesting moment of a proud Norwegian warrior who lost his leg in the fight against king Harald which prompted him and his compatriots to settle Island.

He was hailed as a hero but his stature in society was complicated by him being one-legged. It's episode 16 of The Saga Thing Podcast if you are interested in that sort of thing.

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The way I would do it is that those who cannot fight teach as instructors, if they can't do that they are clerks and functionaries, and if they are even incapable of desk work give their families a pension and a token job. If someone is truly an invalid, then mark them up as "extended recovery" and give them respected privacy in a clinic for battle vets.
Ultimately supporting those who fight is a close second to fighting and dying yourself. There's a place for all sacrifice, which continues in both life and death.
Also. You want your warriors to die in glorious battle, not needlessly or carelessly. If a soldier knows injury means shame and squalor, he will waste his life instead of spending it.

My understanding was that Hel was basically just boring as fuck. It's just gray and cold and nothing else.

What was it originally?

Just like another world to live in but according to some the living saw it as bleak whenever they would gaze upon it since they were still alive.

Norse mythos has some odd things but rarely is it torture porn like the abrahamic faiths

>Norse mythos has some odd things but rarely is it torture porn like the abrahamic faiths

Thats because the 'Gods' of Norse mythology are just really awesome people with awesome shit, as opposed to being otherworldly beings handing down judgement from heaven. The rules suck less in norse mythology because the gods have to play by those rules too, more or less. YHWH never has to follow any of his own commands.

The Hel viking mythology had shared a lot of aspects with the Finnish version Tuonela. It was basically a cold, eternally silent and utterly grey tomb complex "beyond the black river" that simply housed the spirits of the dead so that they may rest in eternal peace.

If you're thinkig of norse mythology/culture, there are parts of the Edda that specifically state that crippled people are still useful and worthy of respectl. I don't remember the exact wording, but it's something along the lines of that a lame man can still ride a horse, a blind man can still make poetry, a deaf man can still go into battle.

If a culture is particularly obsessed with dying heroically in battle, then becoming crippled is likely to be viewed as a sign of the gods' disfavor, since, clearly, anyone who was "worthy" would have died a glorious death.

Battletech Clans pretty much got it with their solahma units.

Being killed as a sacrifice to the gods, if the person was a great warrior, could potentially be a way into the glorious afterlife (and as a means to atone for whatever transgression the gods punished a person for with crippling injuries instead of a glorious death).

Also, only half of the men who died in battle went to Valholl. The others were taken by Freya.

They become teachers. Senseis. Wise men. People who have lived through honorable combat, and now they teach the younger generation how to fight bravely and honorably.

The Edda by Snorre is heavily influenced by christianity

Bruh Hel being like that is highly unlikely because there are so many different stories on how Hel is, some older ones even have valhall in Hel.

Bleak and dreary Hel is mostly from Snorres Edda.

The show Vikings had a bit about this. One of the main vikings got pretty fucked up in a battle, but lived despite losing an arm and I think he also had his leg fucked up. The other vikings basically armed him up and sent him in first during the next battle so he could die fighting.

they just do boring shit thats neccessary to village survival
or if say an old warrior survives battle but is severely crippled and can no longer fight, they somewhat retire and act as a sage, wise man, trainer type thing for the youth
brain damaged probably just put out of their misery on the field desu

basically this

There are always different degrees of fighting ability. The weak, be they too young, too old, or too maimed, can still be pitted against those just as weak as themselves. Maybe a disabled veteran can still get around enough to shoot panhandlers. Maybe the old who can barely walk fight each other in gladiatorial combat. Maybe those who are totally incapable of physical violence are encouraged to start using their words, destroying others in courts of law or through scathing works of criticism.

This is where you get "bezerkers". Not the real mercenary berzerkers though but just guys who run into battle naked in order to get killed immediately.

That doesn't really happen tho, i mean the running into battle naked to die not the running into battle naked cuz Gauls liked doing that